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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

1779.0. "Roland D10/D110/D20 LA Synths Losing Notes" by UTROP1::VDBOS () Wed Nov 23 1988 08:52

    High,
    
    Recently I purchased an Atari 1040 ST and this together with my
    Roland D10 I think I have a nice set up. 
    
    One of the first things I did with my Atari was hooking it up with
    the D10 together with Pro 24! Adding more PARTs to my music I
    discovered that the D!0 tends to overlook notes! Especially with
    fast tunes.
    
    I contacted Roland and they told me that this is probably caused
    by a Software Bug within the D10. They tried with the same setup
    and there where no problems. There D10 has version 1.10 software.
    This can be found out by pressing EDIT and DATA TRANSFER together
    when switching on the D10. Mine is version 1.01 which seems to bring
    the solution for my problem within range.
    
    My question is has someone encountered simmular problems with the
    D10, D110 or D20????
    
    When I installed my new version I'll keep you informed!
   
    Thanks for any response!
    
    Peter
    
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1779.1Sounds like...MUSKIE::ALLENMon Nov 28 1988 11:3612
    Peter:
    	You may want to check to see if your OVERFLOW setting in the
    SYSTEM Menus is set correctly.  I think it has to be set to OFF,
    but there's a 50% probability that I'm wrong on that 8-).
                                                          
    	Take a look at the 1396 note which is dedicated to the D110,
    for more information.  I believe that Dave Orin had a similar problem
    to yours.
    
    Clusters,
    Bill Allen
    
1779.2yes, overflow OFFSUBSYS::ORINAMIGA te amoFri Dec 02 1988 19:048
    Peter:

Bill is right. I had the same problem when playing back Maple Leaf Rag. It
was dropping notes on the fast passages. Once I turned the OVERFLOW param
off there were no more problems.

dave    

1779.3To overflow or not thats the .....UTROP1::VDBOSWed Dec 14 1988 03:3613
    Guys,
    
    My problem is solved!! Roland installed new firmware, version 1.05,
    and it works perfect now. I also have installed Steinberg version
    2.1 which is an improvement as well.
    
    But I am still confused about the OVERFLOW bit in the SYSTEMS menu.
    Where is it????
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Pete
1779.4no overflow - sorrySUBSYS::ORINAMIGA te amoWed Dec 14 1988 17:099
Pete,

I just called Wurly's and they said that there is no overflow bit on the
D10. Sorry for the misleading advice. Little subtle differences between
the D10 & D110 keep turning up. So, no more fruitless searching and
enjoy the new software.

dave

1779.5D-10/Atari STUTROP1::BOVENJThu Jan 05 1989 07:5515
    
    Peter,
    
    Experienced simular problems myself. Have you tried switching the
    clock setting to MIDI mode (so the sequencer controls it)? Reason:
    D-10 always transmits the internal clock (even when it doesn't play!).
    By the way: my set-up is: d-10, mega st, C-Lab notator sequencer
    (1000% better then the pro-24 I've owned before, totally bugfree,
    even with Roland's not-always-standard MIDI approach...
    
    regards,
    Jeroen van Boven
    
    
    
1779.6Pro V Creator.WARDER::KENTTue Jan 10 1989 08:4412
    
    re -1
    
    I am aware of at least 2 of us (myself and Zayed Hanna) who are
    about to take the plunge re- Creator Verses Pro-24. We would both
    be very interested in your comments as to why you think Creator
    is so much better.                         
    
    Apart from the dongle having velcro on that is.
    
                                        Paul K.f
    					
1779.7A rumor from a dealer...MARVIN::SCOTTBArry A. ScottThu Jan 12 1989 10:3814
	I was  talking to a dealer about MIDI software and he got
	talking  about  PRO-24  and  the  problems  that  it has.
	Usually  he  swaps  the  PRO-24  for  Creator  after  the
	customer  finds out that PRO-24 don't work as advertised.
	Its bug level is very high.  Although V3 Pro-24 has fixed
	the  bugs  in  the features that where ship in V1 (humm).
	As for V3 feature...

	Apparently things  are so bad with Pro-24 that the makers
	have  a deal with Atari to give away free the Pro-12 (cut
	down  Pro-24) with each ST-1040 sold.  Just to get people
	interested in the product.

		Barry
1779.8Pro-LabseWARDER::KENTFri Jan 13 1989 04:0214
    
    
    I have C-lab creator at home at the moment. The price I was quoted
    was 250 pounds which does not concur with what "Burke" (sorry forgot
    the christian name) siad elsewhere although I think there may be
    a new version out. Having siad that a 200 pound change in price
    seems a bit steep for a software upgrade.
    
    I also had pro-24 for a week and have to say of the 2 I prefer pro-24
    so far. I have used it fairly extensively and have so-far not uncovered
    any bugs. Having said all that, I am now so confused I will probably
    stick with the good old Qx5.
    
    				Paul. 
1779.9Creator <> NotatorNORGE::CHADIch glaube Ich t�te Ich h�tteFri Jan 13 1989 10:2211
NOtes on pricing.  It seems that two different beasts are being discussed.

Creator is a sequencing package.  Lists in US for $300 + (349?)
NOtator is a scoring/seq.  package built on top of Creator (Creator with
geater functionality) and lists in us for about $600 (I've been quoted $475 for
reference). 

Confusion between the two easily accounts for a "200 pound" difference.

Chad
1779.10Don't forget to try MTP. 8-}DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Fri Jan 13 1989 10:303
    Can we move this discussion to 1620, please?

-b