Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    K1r? Am I missing something. Do you mean K1m? 
    
    dp

    
    The K1m and K1r are different. The K1m is a standalone box a la
    MT-32. The K1r is a rackmount. As far as I know, however, the
    electronics are exactly the same.
    
    Mike D

    As far as I understand, the K1r isn't available yet.  If anyone
    knows where to get one and for how much $$$... please fill in the
    blanks.
    
    DC

Eddie at Wurly's said Xmas or thereabouts at the W'gig.
Chad

    My local dealer is offering his demo D110 for $699.00; is that a
    good deal?  I have never bought electronic gear used, particularly
    musical stuff.  What are the drawbacks?  He's offering an 18mos
    full warranty.  
   
     Also, since I can get a new one from Sam Ash for the same price,
    are the potential "hassles" of mail-order better or worse?.
                    
    Clusters,
    Bill Allen @MPO
    
    ps One thing that worries me is that he doesn't "stock" the D110;
       although they are an authorized ROLAND dealer they seem to push
       other lines.

    If he's willing to give 18 mos. on the unit, and you can verify right
    now that there are no problems with the unit, I'd buy it. 

    The price isn't bad, the warranty is good, and they wouldn't dare put a
    buggy unit on display.  Just make sure that someone hasn't beat the
    thing to smitheroons (read: check all front panel controls). 
 
-b

Bill,

I would say that the demo D110 should be fine. It has survived the
"infant mortality" phase. I have never had a piece of Roland gear
fail on the front panel switches or otherwise. The warranty protects you and you
are supporting your local music merchant who provides that big shiny
showroom full of MIDI toys. The return shipping mailorder for warranty
repair is somewhat of a hassle. You need the box, the packing material,
shipping label, trip to the P.O. for postage, etc.

good luck,

dave

    re .7 & .6
    Thanks Dave and Brad.  I sprung for a new one after all.  
    This baby is a gas!!!  Having another SGU is a quantum leap forward
    in flexibility and variety.  I can't wait to hear a stereo mixdown
    on the big system, downstairs.  I also had a chance to read through
    some of the back notes on the D110 and the MT32.  Seems like Roland
    really tried to do something about the complaints voiced by users.
    About the only thing they didn't improve on was the user interface,
    which still is unacceptable but better than the MT32.
    
    I will be interested to see what happens to KAWAI's K1.  If they
    push it as hard as they did the K5 it should do well in spite of
    stiff competition from the D110.  From the lack of response to this
    note, it doesn't seem like there are many K1 fans in COMMUSICland.
    
    EOF?
    Bill Allen

Bill,

I heard the K1 at Wurlygig2 for the first time. I was very impressed with
the sound quality and variety. It seems like the perfect entry instrument
for someone who is looking for the <$1k multitimbral/drum machine/keyboard.    
Kawai is playing in a tough field though with Roland, Yam, Casio, etc.
The competition is good for everyone, and hopefully will help keep the
prices down. Who knows, if the K1R price is low enough....... *^))

dave

ps. The next MIDIholics meeting will be in conference room H  (as in Home)

    Multi-timbral???  Do you know how many voice, channels, etc?  How
    does is compare to the D110?
    
    Thanx, dc

Availability of K1R around Christmas. Price estimated at $595. Waiting list
at Wurly's. �8 voice, 8 channel multitimbral, onboard drum PCMs. Call Eddie
at 754-5271 for more info.

dave

    I tried em both side by side. In my opinion, K1 blew the doors off
    the d10. The Roland has the worst sound I've heard in a while(must
    be that MT32 architecture).
    
                                       APologies to any Roland fans..
    						Rich C.
    

    I also played a D10 during my 3 week hiatus, intending to upgrade from
    my ESQ-Ms.  After some pretty serious comparision, I decided to
    not get the D10, drum kit notwithstanding. 

    Excepting the built-in reverb, the ESQ was able in all but a very few
    instances to reproduce most of what the D10 would do (at least
    comparing factory patches) ... and the D10 wasn't that much cleaner
    than the ESQ to make it worthwhile.  And the ESQ pianos blow the D10
    away (again, my opinions).

    In short, the D10/110 has a few more sonic possibilities, but the ESQ
    is a heck of a lot easier to twiddle and set up, has a much nicer MIDI
    implementation, and responds to any MIDI continuous controller
    (including aftertouch). 

    If I were buying new, I might go for the D10, but I don't think
    upgrading to one from an ESQ would buy much.

-b

    RE -1
    
    I agree 100% with Rich. I compared the two side-by-side and I thought
    the K1r blew off the D110 also. And it's cheaper too!
    
    Mike D

    
    
       In an earlier reply to this topic, I trashed the D110 in favor
    of the K1r. Now it seems I have both. 
    
                                   Ain't life a hoot?
                         
                                               Rich