Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    
    Fred, if you are a regular customer at Union Music, go talk to Jeff
    (the keyboard guy) or Carl.  I know that they still have at least
    one EX-8000 (the rack version) in stock and might be willing to
    let you copy the tape, or at least the listings.
    
    

    thanks for the info. it worked out fine. they are going to let me
    have a tape for 5 bucks. As it turned out I actually bought the
    keyboard there used and the person selling the keyboard hadnt supplied
    a tape. Jeff was very cooperative when I called back and, as you
    said, still has a couple of tapes to support his stock. Thanks again.
    
    							--Fred
    

    .0 employs a usage that I am seeing with increasing frequency and
    which is confusing for the modest advantage of saving three letters,
    namely referring to a *keyboard* as a "board".  The unadorned term
    "board" usually implies a *mixing board* to the electronic musician.
                                       
    len.
    

    Reposted from 5.3 ... couldn't find another topic to put it under.
    Someone help this guy. 

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SLSTRN::RONDINA                                      17 lines  19-OCT-1988 16:48
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    Can anyone give me any information on the Korg DP2000, digital piano?
    I am a first time buyer and am trying to decide between this keyboard
    and an Ensoniq ESQ1.  My needs are that I play the piano with a
    real piano sound, yet my 15 year old has a "band" and want to use
    it for his music. I like the Korg because it has 76 keys with a
    real piano touch.  I would have to add a module to get a true piano
    sound.  I like the ESQ1 for its real piano sound, but it has only
    5 octaves with organ-like keys.
    
    I have investigated the ESQ1 which every owner gives a thumbs up.
     But I  have not heard much about the Korg DP2000.  Anyone have
    any experience with it.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Paul
    

    
    Does anyone have any info on the DW8000? I figured this was the
    place for it. 
    
    I'm new in this file. I'll try not to violate any file "protocol".
    (I did a dir/title and all that stuff).                 
    
    Thanks.
    
    Roberta

    	Yeah, where's all the info on the DW8000?  I remember hearing
    one of these about last X-mas, and it had the nicest electric organ
    I'd ever heard (I'D).  Especially, is the keyboard like the M1 and
    does it have the familiar LFO/pitch joystick (I love those!)?
    
    	Somebody who has one, speak up.
    
    --mikie--

    
    	I believe it's got a joystick.Up and down for pitch bend, sideways
    for modulation. I've seen a few EX's going from $400 to $ 550 used.
    I'll get one someday. Good resonance.
    					
    					rich

    I had one for a month,  but I got the dealer to take it back in favour
    of a DX7. It did have great tonewheel organ sounds, and useful
    simulated
    delay. It does have the bend/mod jostick. 
    
    But cassette backup, and -- at least the one I hade -- some
    digital grunge problems (see notes on aliasing).
    
    Richard.

Well, looks like I'll be getting a DW8000 later this week.  Last Saturday, I
reached the point and realized that I couldn't go on without a keyboard. 
My latest recordings without keyboard fills and organ patches were coming out 
very lacking and I was getting very frustrated.  So I boxed up my broken 
CZ1000 and was about to send it out to an expensive repair center.  

Just before I got in the car, I just happened to mention to my 
fiscally-responsible wife that it may cost me about the same to replace
the CZ with a new one--especially if some place like Sam Ash has some
still in stock.  

Taking into account my recent frustration in the home studio, Sheryl agreed.
I called Sam Ash and they had no more CZs in stock, BUT for a mere $399 a 
guy named Ed told me he could send me a Korg DW8000.  I asked a few questions,
got off the phone and realized that Sheryl was agreeing that it would better
to buy a new keyboard for a couple a' hundred more than risk getting the 
CZ fixed for an estimated $150 ($65 an hour for two hours, plus parts). 

I logged on that afternoon to scan the COMMUSIC conference and found this 
note and a couple of other scattered references to the DW8000; I checked my 
Keyboard mags and realized that there seems to be plenty of people out there 
with DW8000s and EX-8000s (the rackmount).  And, before Sheryl had a chance 
to change from her rather generous mood, I bought the sucker.

Now, I'm waiting anxiously, hoping I didn't buy a dog.  But all indications
are that:

	A.  Its going to be a major step up from my CZ

	B.  It's new (with warrantee, etc)

	C.  There's plenty of sounds available through mail order (although
	    they are on cassette); one of my old Keyboard magazines even
	    has a couple of DW8000 patches.

	D.  I can have it this week!

Any comments on my madness?  As soon as I get it I'll enter a review so 
anyone else out there looking for an inexpensive MIDI board (uh, KEYboard)
will have a better idea what the DW8000 can do.

Peter

    re .9
    
    Peter:
    
    Although I am not intimately familiar with all of your music, I
    was mightily impressed with your COMMUSIC III submissions.  As a
    keyboard junkie myself, I can only imagine your efforts in the future
    will be even better.
    
    Clusters,
    Bill Allen  (who's enjoying his musical anonimity prior to CM VII)

RE < Note 1729.9 by 4TRACK::LAQUERRE >

	The only thing you're going to lack with the DW8000 is multi-timbrality.
(Did you use the CZ as a multi-timbral instrument?)  Other than that, I'm sure 
you'll be happy with it.  It is a nice cross between digital and analog 
synthesis.  My first synth was its kid brother, the DW6000.

	Dan

Hi Dan:

Okay.  Not up on my synth terminology--sorry.  Multi-timbral.  Is that:

	1  The ability to layer patches to make one tone? (The CZ could layer 
	   two patches, but only while in solo/mono mode.)  I used this 
	   capability of the CZ once in a while for synth leads, but not 
	   all that often.

	2  The ability to play two or more patches independently? (The CZ
	   could play up to four different mono voices independantly, but 
	   only when accessed through MIDI).  

	   I never used this capability of the CZ because I'm not using MIDI 
	   yet. Without MIDI, the CZ only allowed one patch at a time except
	   when you're in the mono mode described above. And of course each
	   patch when played on the keyboard was either 4-note polyphonic
	   or 8-note polyphonic, depending on the patch.


Peter

RE < Note 1729.12 by 4TRACK::LAQUERRE >

Actually, I mean both.  The DW8000 can only play one tone at a time.  Although
it has two oscillators per voice, they share the same filter and amp.  So you
could, conceivably get two kinds of basic sounds at once (using different
waveforms for each oscillator, but they would both go through the same filter 
and envelope settings.  On the CZ, you could take two entirely different sounds,
each with their own envelope and brightness characteristics, and layer them
(as you described).

	So this could be good or bad for you, depending on the kind of sounds
you like to get.  If you are used to layering a bright percussive tone with
something that uses a longer attack, you will be out of luck.

	That is not to say you will be dissapointed with the DW.  On the
contrary, I definately think you're taking a big step up in sound quality.  Not
only that, but you are also getting a built-in programmable digital delay to 
boot!  But you will have to re-adjust to the kinds of things you can do with
it.

	So, to sum up, you're gaining in quality, but losing in functionality 
(which, based on your explanation, isn't really a loss to you).  You're gaining
in getting a very nice sounding instrument, but you're no longer going to have
the ability to play different patches simultaneously (either by layering or by
using four independent voices via midi).

	Dan

	I just checked my literature on the DW8000.  Not only are you getting a 
ddl, but you are also gaining the following features:

	Velocity/Aftertouch Sensitivity
	Arpeggiator (which can be clocked from a drum machine/sequencer)
	Autobend (a programmable feature that sets the oscillators to 
		automatically bend up from a lower frequency each time a
		voice is triggered - this is programmable on a per-patch
		basis)

	An even better synth than I remembered!

	Dan

Thanks for typing in the list of features.  It's nice to see what I heard from
the Sam Ash salesman confirmed.  When he said it was a Velocity-sensitive 
keyboard and 61-keys--that's really what sold me. I also noticed in one of the 
patch descriptions in Keyboard that it had settings for Aftertouch. 

I recently purchased a MIDIverb II, which drastically improved the sound of
my CZ, so I'm interested to see how the *built-in* digital delay will sound 
in the DW8000.

As for the price, I took a ride down to Daddy's today and as I expected, they 
had some used synths for that price range, but nothing new.  After my recent 
problems with the CZ, I'm looking forward to having a new machine.

Peter

RE: 1729.10 > CARP::ALLEN

Glad you liked my COMMUSIC III submissions.  I finally did submit a couple of 
songs to the latest COMMUSIC tape--so you'll soon be able to hear for yourself 
whether I'm improving--or not improving!

Peter