Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    A fairly recent issue of Keyboard talked about SDS. Seems the word
    'standard' is oxymoronic...
    
    It works, but not nearly as 'standardly' as RS232, MIDI or many
    other 'standards'...
    
    I don't bleeve the Mirage supports it...
                         
    Edd

    A while back I spoke to an E-Mu tech on the phone.  He indicated
    that the Emax did NOT support the sample dump std.  However that
    was before the 'SE' software rev came out (I don't have it)
    
    karl
    
    the Prophet 2000/2002 and AKAI S900 do support it I recall..
    

    
    The EPS does, and there are sysex commands to save/load. But I don't
    know what it is...t'aint in the docset (of course they haven't mailed
    out the real one yet...)
    
    If it means something like '16 bit data, sequential stream with
    some kind of header giving information such as size, split points
    and loop points', gee, that might be nice. Of course the disk drive
    doesn't support it, so I'd have to send/receive over MIDI which
    assumes I put someone else's sampler which speaks this gibberish
    onto my network and into my librarian, thence out to my EPS...
    
    Sounds real neat. (image of sarcasm dripping off his tongue)
    
    /pjh

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Note 2123.0             MIDI Sample Dump Format question                 1 reply
FGVAXX::LAING "Soft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*282-1476" 18 lines  19-SEP-1989 00:03
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    What is MIDI Sample Dump Format?  I assume it's some sort of standard
    for storing samples as data, for example, on disk?
    
    The reason I ask ... if I buy a Korg T1, which supposedly will accept
    MIDI sample dump format, does this mean that I could have a friend
    do some sampling for me, on his XYZ sampler that also supports MIDI
    Sample Dump Format, load the samples into my T1, and play away?
    
    Is there also an issue of disk format compatibility, i.e. will sampler
    XYZ necessarily produce a disk file that my T1 can read, simply
    because sample XYZ supports MIDI Sample Dump format?
    
    I want to know how "open-ended" this T1's support of MIDI Sample
    Dump Format is ... how flexible, etc.?  Will I be locked into samples
    that are done on Korg equipment, due to disk file/format compatibility
    issues?

    	-Jim

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Note 2123.1             MIDI Sample Dump Format question                  1 of 1
KOBAL::DICKSON                                        6 lines  19-SEP-1989 09:05
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    MIDI standards say nothing about disk format, and it is generally
    true that disks from one manufacturer can not be read by another.
    
    If you hooked the two machines with MIDI cables they would be able to
    exchange the data, but wether it would be meaningful is something else
    again.  I have ordered a copy of the specs, but they aren't here yet.

    
    
    I have been using the "sample dump standard" for some time now.
    It is this that most SW manafacturers use in generic sample editor
    software. (in my case akai). I have exchanged samples with other
    akai gear but never knowingly with another manafacturer although
    in theory this should not be a problem. As was said in -1 there
    is nothing in the standard about disks (has the T1 actually got
     a disk drive?.
    
    What I believe the option will allow is the creation of a sample
    on your generic sampler and this sample can then be loaded into
    the sample wave memory (via midi) of the T1 (sounds like fun).
    
    The sample dump standard is very non-standard in midi-terms it doesn;t
    seem to use any of the standard handshakes that other sysex messages
    use. Consequently they won't work with normal generic sys-ex handlers.
                
                                        Paul.
    					

Dave Orin was successfully moveing S550 samples to EPS using Sound Designer and
the dump standard.

Chad

    I have recently transferred C-Lab sequences from an Atari-ST, to an MMT8.
    It took me about 6 hours to successfully transfer it. Eventually, I
    just cranked the temp down (about 40 bpm), and played the sequence from
    Atari MIDI-OUT to MMT8 MIDI-IN (using a single track).
    I'm still not satisfied. Before the second song (sequence), I have to
    power-off/on my MT32 and retune it to 440Hz. This is no fun, since the
    songs are supposed to be 'segue'd ! Hence, I have to do a ballet stance
    in order to stretch over and do a one-handed reconfiguration (!?)
    
    Jim Burke
    (familiar with C-Lab, ignorant of MMT8)

    Here is what the Sample Dump Standard conveys:
    
    1)	Number of bits per sample
    2)	Nanoseconds between samples
    3)	Sample length in words
    4)	Sustain loop start word
    5)	Sustain loop end word
    6)	Loop type (forward only, backward/forward, loop off)
    
    And then a bunch of words, of the size specified above.
    
    This is sent in packets, which have ACKs, NAKs, and checksums (to
    insure accurate transmission).  All everything is hidden inside
    a bunch of standardized SYSEX messages.
    
    The standard takes a big three pages to describe the whole thing.