| Title: | * * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * * | 
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    O.k., with all the projects getting cancelled around here in Littleton
    I've had time to catch up on notes.
    
	Does anyone know exactly how many of the five lines in a midi
    cable are actually used?  (Maybe someone with a midi spec out there?)
    I've heard that only three of them are actually used;  if this is
    true, are they the center three pins?
    
    	The reason for this is that, to avoid a midi feedback loop,
    and also to avoid having to connect and disconnect midi cables,
    I'd like to get a simple on/off switch to insert in the midi path.
    If the midi cable only uses three of the lines, then I just won't
    bother connecting/disconnecting the other two.  Does this make sense?
    
    	Or, what might be even easier;  does anyone know of switches
    that already exist to perform this function?  I know I could use
    a through box that has swtiches and allows turning off certain paths.
    Are there other alternatives?
    
    	Thanks,
    		Ron
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| 1496.1 | I got a millian of 'em (achachachacha) | AKOV75::EATOND | Where d' heck a' we! | Thu Jun 30 1988 11:23 | 18 | 
| Very simple question. There are indeed only three of the five leads used. 4 and 5 are the only ones you need to be concerned with. 2 is ground and doesn't need to be connected to chassis. I have built a number of simple forking switchers for my network using simple DPDT switches. Just connect leads 4 and 5... It is recommended that you us a switch that allows for center off, though. I just had to trash a switch box I made because it didn't reliably switch from one to the other. Yes, it could be a number of factors (cheap switch, notwithstanding), but I remember reading an article by JL Cooper that recommended the center off configuration. Total cost for a finished switch box using Rat Shack parts - around $7 - not counting the wire and solder. Dan | |||||
| 1496.2 | HEhehehehe | SALEM::AMARTIN | MY AHH..DEEDAHZZ | Fri Jul 01 1988 01:48 | 3 | 
|     Trying to wreck the MD8 already...Huh Ron???  :-)
    Glad to see that youre getting some use out of it.
                                   AL
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| 1496.3 | clarification | BEOWLF::BARTH | Fri Jul 01 1988 15:27 | 34 | |
|     re .1>
    
    	Thanks, Dan.  Let me see if I got this straight.  Of the five
    lines, I can disregard numbers 1 and 3.  Number 2 can stay connected,
    right through the switch.  Numbers 4 and 5 can be disconnected with
    a simple DPDT switch.  Correct?
    	Aside:  Midi data is serial (obviously).  So why two lines and
    not just one?  Just curious.
    	Further, how do I "decode" which line is which?
    
                             ^
   			.         .
    			  .     .
			     .
    Imagine that to be the end of a midi cable -- the ^ is the notch
    on one side, the dots are the five pins.  Which is pin 1 and which
    is pin 5?
    	My main application would be to connect one midi cable and
    disconnect another with one throw of one switch.  For this I imagine
    I would need a quad pole, double throw switch.  Is there such a
    thing?
    
    
    re .2>  To tell you the truth, Al, I don't think I'll be using the
    MD8 after all!  I just think it's too limiting for live performance
    use (doesn't accept pedal hold, program change, etc.)  Nice try,
    though!
    
    	Ron
    	
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| 1496.4 | AKOV88::EATOND | Where d' heck a' we! | Fri Jul 01 1988 16:22 | 19 | |
| RE < Note 1496.3 by BEOWLF::BARTH >
	From my experience, I just let 2 hang and have found no problems.  
Listen to the EE's among us grind their teeth.  Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
	Since the use of the pins are symetrical, its not crucial that you 
distinguish 4 and 5.  Here's the layout, basically.
                             ^
   			 .       .
    			 1 .   . 3
			   4 . 5
                             2
	Like I said, I only connected 4 and 5, so a DPnT is what you need.
	Dan
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