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1410.1 | Not too late for CM V? | 20988::EATOND | Where is he when the music stops? | Tue May 24 1988 10:12 | 6 |
| It looks like there's still room on the tape, right? I just finished
(last night) the final session on the piece I am submitting. All I need to do
now is copy it and get it in the mail.
Dan
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1410.2 | Available Now on dB Records... | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | Asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can s | Tue May 24 1988 12:17 | 9 |
| Congrats, Dave.
When are you going to incorporate yourself as a record label? :-)
(hey, how much does it cost to get a vinyl master made, and a hundred
copies pressed? :-) )
-Bill
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1410.3 | | NYMPH::ZACHWIEJA | DECwindows in my lifetime | Tue May 24 1988 12:21 | 4 |
|
re .2
I already asked, he said he wasn't interested. _sjz.
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1410.4 | MIDIocre records | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | The height of MIDIocrity | Tue May 24 1988 14:37 | 26 |
| Actually, I've had wonderful times trying to think of a name for my
"label".
Considering that *I*'ve only made about 100 copies of BOTH Commusic
III and Commusic IV, it hardly seems like we have the kind of volume
here to start thinking about vinyl.
I've given some thought to opening it up to a wider audience by
advertising the Commusic tapes in other conferences like MUSIC,
and GUITAR, or possibly even some general conferences, but I sorta
like the "just a bunch of Commusic'ers exchanging tapes" informality
of this and I'm probably not ready for handling volume, even though
I personally would *LOVE* to expose more people to what DEC musicians
are doing.
Anyway, one of the unexpected pluses of doing this and moderating
MUSIC has been getting to know (to some extent or another) a lot of you.
I would even say that has turned out to be the BIGGEST plus.
db
p.s. Note that even though *I*'ve only made 100 copies, I'm sure that
there are more copies floating around than that because I have
encouraged people to make copies from friends if that's possible
and their not terribly concerned with the audio disadvantages
of an extra generation.
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1410.5 | deja vu | AKOV88::EATOND | No, no, no... 47!! | Fri Jun 17 1988 09:36 | 1 |
| Hey, Dave, how's it going?
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1410.6 | Commusic V status | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Fri Jun 17 1988 10:35 | 52 |
| I have received enough submissions to finish the tape. In fact,
some things will probably have to go on the next one.
But I'm about to go on vacation and so it will probably be a few
weeks before it's "released".
I'd like to recommend to people submitting stuff to set their
recording levels on the low side. I would recommend to set it
such that it occasionally reaches +2db, and only rarely goes
above that (assuming your submission is dolby B). This seems
to produce the best dub.
I've made a lot of experiments with these methods of transferring
the submissions to the master:
1) Direct dubbing (on my dubbing deck) - no decoding and
re-encoding, recording level of original submission
is preserved.
2) Dubbing from one deck to another without decoding and
re-encoding,
3) Dubbing from one deck to another decoding and re-encoding.
They are listed above in what is in my opinion, the order of preference
so I have direct dubbed all the submissions onto the master.
(3) produces a very breathy sounding type of noise. It's very
noticeable and annoying. Commusic IV was done this way
(2) works well but definitely adds some noise to the recording.
(1) produces excellent copies with very little noise added. However
I think some gain is introduced in this process and it actually
increases the level slightly.
For future reference, here are my submission recommendations if you
want the absolute best chance of getting a good copy to the master:
1) Use Maxell UDXL-IIS - this is the tape used for the master.
At the very least, you should use a TYPE II (Chrome) tape.
Using metal or TYPE I is definitely going to produce lower
quality dupes because of mismatches in bias and recording
levels. (Commusic IV was mastered on a metal tape, direct
duping to the TYPE II UDXL-II's that I used for copies produced
inferior results.
2) Set the recording level as described above
db
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1410.7 | New Improved Jello Pudding With dbx! | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Fri Jun 17 1988 18:07 | 8 |
| I am surprised by your results regarding use of noise reduction
while copying. It is exactly counter to everything that has ever
been recommended to me about copying.
So be it. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
len.
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1410.8 | Hmm... | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Mon Jun 20 1988 10:51 | 34 |
| Gee, Len. I find THAT comment surprising although I don't doubt
your expertise as your Commusic III submission probably had
the best audio quality of all the submissions I've received.
I find it surprising because, intuitively, one would think
that the method provided by the dubbing deck WOULD be the one
the produces the best results. Even the most expensive dubbing decks
work this way. My deck is a $400 deck, definitely towards the
higher end.
Any thoughts?
I am expecting that most people will agree that the sound quality of
Commusic V is better than that of Commusic IV. It does not reflect
a change in the quality of submissions. Many of the IV submissions
had excellent audio quality, but just didn't master well due to the
process.
I just wish we could use some other form of noise reduction besides
Dolby B, but I did a fairly thorough examination of that possibility
and concluded that Dolby B by far made the most sense given the
equipment that other folks had.
I've been using Dolby C (if I might play the tape in my car deck)
and DBX (otherwise) for my own personal taping, and am very happy
with both.
Dolby C is sorta nice in that it isn't that much worse than B if
you have to play it back in a machine that doesn't support it. I'd
go further to say that throwing Dolby C on when playing tapes w/o
NR or with Dolby sometimes improves the sound if the hiss is very
high.
db
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1410.9 | Well, Uhm, I Dunno | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Mon Jun 20 1988 15:09 | 22 |
| The rationale that I have seen published is that you avoid problems
due to misaligned encode/decode cylces on the source and destination
decks. This doesn't hold water, though, as it just pushes the problem
elsewhere, there being *4* decks involved, not just 2:
1) the original source deck (owned by the COMMUSIC submitter)
2) the copying source deck (owned by the COMMUSIC copier)
3) the copying destination deck (owned by the COMMUSIC copier)
4) the ultimate destination deck (owned by the COMMUSIC receiver)
Even if there's no problems between decks 2 and 3, there're still
potentially problems between decks 1 and 2, 3 and 4, and 1 and 4!
So, I'm not sure what should *theoretically* be best. If your ears
tell you your way works best, go with it.
len.
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1410.10 | | PLDVAX::JANZEN | Tom 2965421 LMO2/O23 | Mon Jun 20 1988 15:40 | 2 |
| Wow! we almost have enough decks for a cruise ship!
Tom
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1410.11 | Dive! Dive! | JAWS::COTE | Look!! Eeet eees BASSOON! | Mon Jun 20 1988 15:57 | 3 |
| Now serving Dolby B on the mezzanine....
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1410.12 | I think I know what they had in mind - it may not apply | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Mon Jun 20 1988 18:18 | 23 |
| re: .9
That advice is predicated on the assumption that the playback deck
is the deck that was used to record the tape being dubbed, AND the
recording deck is the deck that WILL be used to play back the copy.
However if this isn't the case (and it isn't), then as you've said,
it just pushes the problem elsewhere. It might well be that you
make it worse in fact by adding an extra decode/encode cycle.
It seems like that's a wonderful opportunity to drop in all kinds
of unwanted things.
We'll have to see what people think of V. In my opinion, it's
significantly better than IV, and only slightly (though noticeably)
worse than III (specifically referring to the III submissions
that were submitted on Dolby B cassette (some weren't)).
Anyway, I believe that the limiting factor on IV is the submission
media. There's not much point to doing a Beta master for a tape
that was submitted with Dolby B - applying the "weak link in the chain
theory" that is.
db
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1410.13 | Generations | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Mon Jun 20 1988 18:25 | 20 |
| Actually, it's worse than 4 decks.
What people should realize about the Commusic tapes is that the
majority of them are 4th generation recordings!!!
The typical process is:
Live to 4-track
4-track to master
mixdown to submission tape
submission to commusic master
commusic master to copy
Note that in most cases 3 of those generations are Dolby B.
Again, the main idea is really just to hear people's music, not their
engineering prowess. That's my interest in this. It's not my
intention to become a record company.
db
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1410.14 | hiss is more musical than bad Dolby | CNTROL::GEORGE | | Mon Jun 20 1988 19:39 | 41 |
| Live music makes the deck-to-deck compatibility problems worse.
Dolby B (or C) encoding and decoding is dependant on signal level
as well as frequency. For an EXACT match, you need perfect frequency
response, precise record-playback level matching, and a well-calibrated
Dolby circuit. Don't despair...Dolby labs 'tuned' the transfer function
to work acceptably with most recorded music on most tape decks. Some
manufacturers (Nak, for one) 'retune' to exploit properties of their heads.
If your tape deck is out of calibration, you probably won't notice (encode
and decode are still matched *WITHIN THE DECK*). You will only spot the
problem when the tape is played on another, well-calibrated deck.
The matching problem grows more extreme if you've recorded a live or
nearly-live program. The dynamic speed (not necessarily *range*) of
most live or home-studio music is HUGE compared to store-bought stuff.
Again, recording and playback on the same 'bad' deck will almost surely
sound fine, but any mismatch will now be GROSSLY apparent when played
on a 'good' deck.
Home hobbyists can try a pathological case yourselves -- just for grins,
try a mixdown onto dolby C, then play back on B. The dynamics will be
munged, and the high-end sizzle could crack your dental work. Now try
it with something store-bought. The high end will still be a bit exaggerated,
but overall WAAAAY more listenable than the live case. Fewer fast
dynamics leads to fewer dolby tracking problems.
Since there's NO WAY to ensure that everyone out there has a calibrated
tape deck, I betcha we'd get better sound quality on the Commusic series
if all submissions and distributions were done with NO DOLBY whatsoever.
Failing that, force the fewest possible decode-encode cycles:
encoded submission > master (no decode) > copies (no decode) > home (decode)
This method will add the least amount of error, and also allow us to finger
the folks with bum decks in time for the next tape. :-) Be careful with
levels on the master and copies, though -- the high-end boost of the
encoded submissions can saturate the tape.
Happy Monday,
Dave
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1410.15 | cut down the generations | ANGORA::JANZEN | Tom 2965421 LMO2/O23 | Mon Jun 20 1988 21:18 | 2 |
| My V submission was a master off the amiga. I think.
Tom
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1410.16 | Removing steps | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Tue Jun 21 1988 10:25 | 15 |
| Well, I've been toying with the idea of SENDING the master to
submittors, or having the submittors come to my place to make the copy
onto the master. In fact, several Commusic submissions were
mastered ONTO the Commusic III master (a Beta tape). It slows down
the whole process of course, but maybe it will produce better results.
I was thinking that the rule would be that if you want your tape
done this way, you MUST have your submission ready to go and must
have the tape back in the mail to me within 48 hours.
One submission on Commusic V will be done this way. I can't promise
that I will do it again, we'll see. Again, I have a strong inclination
for simplicity.
db
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1410.17 | | CANYON::MOELLER | DORKS: Just say 'NO'. | Tue Jun 21 1988 14:25 | 4 |
| Puhleeze DON'T send the 'master' thru the U>S> Mail.. The master
to Commusic I was lost this way !
karl
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1410.18 | Ultimate Mastering --> Direct to Tape. | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | Madness in the method... | Tue Jun 21 1988 18:35 | 15 |
| The ultimate in mastering would be to send a MIDI sequence (and
voices) digitally to the masterer, who would load the sequence and
play it directly onto the audio master tape.
I guess we can do this right now if we limit submissions to use
only an ESQ-1 and an HR-16. :-(
What-all can you scare up to build a MIDI Standard Studio with,
db? (Especially what sequencer, I wouldn't trust my ESQ cassette
interface as far as I can throw a blank cassette).
Uhmm, anybody got a copy of the MIDI Vocalist spec? :-)
-Bill
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1410.19 | Announcing Commusic V | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Tue Jul 05 1988 19:44 | 62 |
| OK, there's a little bit of space left, but I'm gonna close Commusic
V submissions and declare Commusic V "released".
The Commusic V contributors are:
o Paul Kent
o Dave Bottom
o Bob Yerazunis
o John Williams
o Steve Sherman (Side B begins here)
o Karl Moeller
o Pete LaQuerre
o Dan Eaton
o Dave Dreher
o Tom Janzen
Submittors:
o Please send me liner notes
o Please send me instructions for returning your tape and
getting your own copy
Do I:
1) Record over your submission tape (was it a C-90)
or do I use a fresh tape ($2.50 cost)
2) mail it to you (cost: 85 cents/tape), bring it to
an upcoming LERDS-BIM, or will you pick it up
in my office
3) Have you given me any money in advance (my records
indicate that only Janzen, Eaton and Sherman have
done this.
Important: I will *NOT* front money for anyone!!!
I will not send your tape out until, I get money
from you. At least one group of folks have objected
to this policy so I'll explain:
1) I have already been "stiffed" for the price
of a tape. It's no financial setback but
it pissed me off and I'm not gonna let it
happen again.
2) I don't want to have to keep track of who owes
what, etc.
Non submittors:
I will take orders for copies now.
You can do it by mail, pick up a copy in my office at ZK3, or get
a copyfrom me when I visit LERDS-BIM (probably NEXT week, but not
this week).
More details soon
db
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1410.21 | | ANGORA::JANZEN | Tom 296-5421 LMO2/O23 | Mon Jul 11 1988 10:21 | 3 |
| Dave's doing a great job, but in the liner notes, Sacre on my
cuts is labelled PDP11 version, and it's not, it's on the Amiga.
Tom
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1410.23 | Commusic V available | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Thu Jul 14 1988 16:38 | 18 |
| OK, Commusic V copies are available in plenty:
1) At my office in ZK
2) Via mail order
I will also be bringing copies to next weeks LERDS-BIM.
I have to make a request for those of you picking up copies at
my office. My project is in the very last throes of trying to
finish off a base level that is already too long. My inclination
is to stop working and chat with folks, but I really have to get
things done so... I guess what I'm saying is that let's conduct
our "business" and then I have to get back to work.
Thanks,
db
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1410.25 | Preliminary Commusic V notes V.06 | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Mon Jul 18 1988 09:41 | 565 |
|
C O M M U S I C V
Side A
o Paul Kent
- It's All a Game (4:15)
- It's Because of You (4:30)
- The Instrumental (4:00)
o Dave Bottom
- Ain't Found Nothin' (4:35)
o Event Horizon (submitted by Bob Yerazunis)
- Beyond Event Horizon
o John Williams
- Rule of Thumb (3:05)
- Games from the Void (3:00)
- Caught Between Hemispheres (4:10)
o Pete LaQuerre
- No One's Paying Attention (4:55)
- A State of Mind (4:00)
Side B
o Steve Sherman
- No Excuses
o Karl Moeller
- Easter Morning (4:10)
- Suite Pt. I: The Procession (4:50)
- The Minefield (8:00)
o Dan Eaton
- He is a Rock
o Dave Dreher
- One Good Dream
- Seasons
- Need You Tonite
o Tom Janzen
- Goldberg Variations (Bach)
- Caterpillar Blews
- Sacre
o Tom Benson
- Jingle Jangle Jingle
Paul Kent
PEEKAY (attic studios) (sic)
Commusicians will all be aware of the progress one can make in
a short period of time. The stuff you did 6 months ago can
sound trite and amateurish compared with what you can acheive
mow. Thus my feelings on relistening to what were originally
my Commusic 4 entries.
"It's all a game"
I read with interest that all my entries were about 4 minutes,
I have never timed them myself. Thhis must say something about
my concentration span. "It's all a game" was based on a CZ
patch that I picked up on commusic but that dissapeared into
the background somewhere.
The bass is a multisample on the Akai.
The Voice is me.
The song is average.
Drums are the DDD-1.
"It's because of you"
About this time was when I got my Tx802 which is superb. All
SYnths are one pass on the TX802 sequenced by the Qx5 and with
some vocal samples in the background. The bass patch was my
first ever 6 op patch which had the string rattle added with
aftertouch. I was desperately impressed with it at the time.
The drums were DDD-1 (I am a fan) with th Snare sampled from a
real piccolo snare.
"The instrumental"
I have to admit I haven't got a copy of this at home so I
can't remember much about it, other than It was another "one
pass" TX802 exercise which I did to impress my colleagues at
Berks-Bum (The UK version of Lerds).
Dave Bottom
Ain't Found nothin' copyright 1987 dave bottom
written for a woman I never saw again...
Nits:
I am not truely satisfied with the drum parts, just can't seem to get the
dynamics the way they should be.
The vocals are a strain for me, I think this shows, at the time I submitted
this I was in the process of packing to move so they are not as perfect
as I'd like, I was seriously pressed for time.
It's far too long, I would have trimmed it in length but time constraints
were on me...
The song:
Constructed in pseudo-6-track:
Recorded the drums/acoustic guitar rhythm track in stereo on tracks 1-3 of my
3340. The guitar is a washburn acoustic electric, recorded direct, split into
stereo using a rockmodule chorus in the wide mode. Drums are Roland TR-707, the
last time I ever used it.
Added an electric rhythm (strat) and bass (yamaha, recorded direct) track on
the 3340.
This was dumped to stereo on my Tascam 234.
I added vocals and lead guitar.
The electric guitar is my strat, effects are a Midiverb II (patch #45).
Vocals were processed via my symetrix 525 comp/limiter and the Midiverb.
An AKG D-320 mike was used.
Beyond The Event Horizon - � Peter Antoniou, Event Horizon Music.
- P E O P L E -
Peter Antoniou
Larry Felman
Rudy Kieser
George Ray III
Bill Yerazunis
- E Q U I P M E N T -
Sequential Circus
Prophet-600
Pro-1
Moog
Minimoog
Ensoniq
ESQ-1
Yamahaha
DX-100
DX-21
QX-7
Casio
CZ-101 (x 2)
Seil
DK-80
CBM-110 Bass Pedals
Korg
MD-16 Sampled Drum
Sholtz
Rockman
Rickenbacker
4001
DOD
Noise Gate, Compressor/Sustainer
Kelsey
K-16 Studio Mixer
Sony
PCM-F1 Digital Tape
3M
Masking Tape
Coca-Cola
Coke Classic
Cases by
Calzone
Anvil
Tough Traveller
Fruit of the Loom
- W H A T I T W A S L I K E -
Oh, what a mess. Some of the equipment didn't have MIDI- and of course
those were the pieces that had to be played in the strictest synchrony.
Several MIDI chains were used "for depth" - the QX-7 sequencer driving the
sampled drums, and the DX-21 driving the DX-100 and one of the CZ's,
the Prophet driving an audio signal to the MiniMoog, the Seil DK driving
the other CZ.
There was a lot of shouting during this take, as various lines were
coming in, going out, getting retriggered, etc. We could not multitrack
it onto the digital tape, hence what you hear is, essentially, "live".
Even the mixing had to be done "live". Fortunately, there were no
microphones in the mix, or else you couldn't play this tape to anyone
under 18 without their parental consent.
If you count oscillators in the above setup, there's something
like 140 if them, not counting the LFO's in the various synths. And
we were worried that the sounds wouldn't be rich enough. We usually don't
use this much equipment, but some days, you just get crazy, eh?
It really isn't possible to assign a "who-played-what" for this piece,
because we all ran around at various times altering critical parameters.
Even Larry, the bassist, played some keyboards, even though we asked
him not to.
If you listen very carefully, the piece "calms down" for a few seconds in
the middle. That's because the pizza man came and he wanted money from
us.
Do we plan to make a record? Actually, we do. We even had a contract for
one, with a real record company, but they went broke.
John Williams
These three songs represent my first MIDI attempts. They were
recorded on an ATARI ST running KCS 1.6. The sounds are coming from an
MT-32 dumped directly into a tape deck in stereo.
1) RULE OF THUMB
This song is a little experiment with counterpoint. The bass
sticks more or less to tonic points. I recorded it completely one voice
at a time, the chord progression is more or less arpeggioed in the bass.
The patch is something I call wirestrike.
2) GAMES FROM THE VOID
This tune has some melody bass lines, which get fairly playful
in parts. No wierd patches on this one.
3) CAUGHT BETWEEN HEMISPHERES
The bass in this tune pivots, rather than roots, and the rhythm
sort of swirls around it. More drum fills to this one. Added dynamics due
to the addition of an MKB-200 as a controller as a replacement to the
CZ230S, so this one sounds a little more, how shall we say, realistic.
Peter LaQuerre
- No One's Paying Attention
- A State of Mind
Both songs copyright �1988 by Peter LaQuerre.
For these two songs, I used:
- A FOSTEX X-15 4-track cassette recorder
- A Roland TR-505 rhythm composer
- A Casio CZ-1000 synthesizer
- A Madeira six-string acoustic guitar
My goal over the past few months has been to develop and use a wider
variety of CZ patches. Some people observed correctly that the
patches on my last COMMUSIC selections were too recognizably CZ.
Some notes about the patches:
No One's Paying Attention
A while back some of you might have remembered me asking for
some bass patches for the CZ. Randi Rost replied with a bunch
of patches he got over the USENET. I'm pretty sure this is
the one from a random patch generator. I fell in love with it
and I think it works well in this song. Thanks Randi!
For the keyboard rhythm I used a patch I wrote myself. I also
tried to develop a nice lead patch, but after several ideas
didn't work out I found the acoustic guitar lead just
as nice as anything else on the keyboard.
The most interesting thing about the drum track was the handclap.
Before this song, I couldn't find a good use for it, but I
needed a sharp hit and after messing around with the congas
for a while, I thought the handclap was a nice subtle addition
to one of the patterns for this song.
A State of Mind
I programmed the xylophone/vibe patch myself. I thought it
came out pretty nice for a CZ patch and it was fun to use.
This bass patch was a more mellow one that I programmed by
combining the qualities of a couple I've seen around. Once
again, I think some of it was based on one of the bass patches
I found here in COMMUSIC.
The string patch was simply a modified version of the "string
ensemble" factory patch on the CZ. I added some reverb by
modifying the DCA 1 wave.
Steve Sherman
Title: No Excuses
Equipment uesd: S-10, TR-505, TX81Z, MV2, QX5, Rat Shack mixer and a little
cheapie reverb added to the drums. CZ-101 was not used in the mix,
but it will be used for the flute part in the 'live' version.
Notes: As Dave Orin pointed out, Eddie's demo at the Wurlygig was impressive
not just because of the equipment, but also because he did a good job
with the arrangement. Besides being just for fun, this piece was
partly done to show that a good arrangement (or close approximation
thereof) can even make a relatively inexpensive setup like mine sound
pretty good.
In addition, I do composition (to my taste - I love the freedom of
being my own patron!). I don't 'gig'. I'm just not good enough, nor
do I want to take the time to work up my real-time chops. However, my
church is putting on a talent show and I decided to work up this synth
number. (It was either this or embarass myself by taking part in
another skit this year ...) I'll be playing the flute and most of the
lead guitar parts in real time. I'm getting better at improv, which is
reflected in this submission and will be what I'll work on for the
talent show (May 27 at 7:30 at the LDS chapel in Marlboro, MA if anyone
wants to come and watch me embarass myself).
This was a lot of fun to do. The lead guitar and bottom distorted
guitar are both from Roland's Electric Guitar 2 patch for the S-10.
The other voices are the TZ (slightly munged presets with some
layering). The chorus repeats. I was going to change that, but found
I preferred the sound of the repeat.
The title is more to reflect the attitude I'm having at the time which
I feel is also reflected in the piece. In essence, I pretty much live
by the motto, 'Excuses don't get results'. (Mostly I like hearing
excuses for their entertainment value, but that's about it.) The
piece reflects more my personal life and feeling of drive toward
getting things done. 4/4 with a back-beat. But, hey, it fits and it
bakes my cookies. :-)
Steve
Karl Moeller
"Easter Morning" "Suite Pt.I: The Procession" "Suite Pt.II: The Minefield"
(these pieces (C)(P) Karl Moeller 1988)
The three pieces I chose to contribute to C-V illustrate two radically
different methods of creating new music. One method is to just turn
on the recorder (or sequencer) and go for it. The other method is the
more traditional layer-at-a-time composition/recording.
These were done with the E-Mu Systems' Emax Rack Sampler and/or
the Kurzweil 1000PX rack sample player. Original recording was done
with an Apple Macintosh 512K running Performer v1.2.
"Easter Morning"
... don't tell me to add squeaks. Everyone does.
"Suite Pt.I: The Procession"
This piece was carefully layered using both the Emax and Kurzweil. I've
since added a solo violin voice to the last third of the piece. After
'finishing' this (are they ever really done?) it sounded to me like a
prelude to something more energetic.. but it took about a month to find
the second movement. So I declare these two pieces wedded.
"Suite Pt.II: The Minefield"
This'll get mixed reviews. It's not always pretty. A small amount of
string orchestration added later. Why is it called "The Minefield" ?
"Someone who records an 'improvisation', and then distributes
it for other people to listen to in their living rooms, is doing
nothing less than laying a musical and aesthetic minefield."
- from a review of 'Free Improvisation', a Deutsche Gramofon release.
Dan Eaton
- He Is A Rock By Dan Eaton
(Unpublished Work Copyright 1982 Daniel K Eaton)
This piece is the first full-scale piece marking the shift I have made
from analog recording studio (albeit a modest one) to MIDI studio (slightly less
modest), with the intention of taking MIDI to the road. In other words, my
submission to COMMUSIC III was done on an analog multi-track tape deck. This
one was done all via MIDI (except for voice and a mono synth), and will be
performed live exactly as you hear it on tape. In fact, the recording was done
'live' on a normal home stereo. The only difference on the road will be that I
will play the piano live (I didn't here as I needed to man the board while
singing).
The sequencing was done entirely on a Commodore C64 using Sonus'
GlassTracks. GlassTracks is an eight track sequencer with limited editing
capabilities. While it has practically no single-event editing, there are ways
around that, and I have learned many of them. I don't think I'll want to use
this package forever (I would like more memory and more extensive single-event
editing), but it certainly helps to have more than two tracks and to have the
visual feedback. In performance, I will dump the data down to the MIDI DJ, a
dedicated hardware sequencer with a fast disk-drive (5 1/4" floppies).
The time-keeping drums were entered in step-time (bass, snare, ride cym
& hi-hat), while fills were done mostly live. This has been the most laborious
work I've ever done on a drum part. The drums alone took me well over a month
(one or two nights a week) to sequence. Those readers/contributors of DRUMS
may recall an inquiry I made about drum accenting. Well, this is the piece.
All other parts were sequenced in real-time (with the exception of the
'KRYSTAL-CHOIR' part in the first bridge).
The lyrics are a paraphrasing of a chapter from the second book of
Samuel, where King David celebrates the miraculous intervention of God on his
behalf.
Instrumentation is as follows:
Piano - Roland RD200
Mono Synth in intro - Korg MS-10 (love that analog!)
Drums - Roland MKS-7 Rythm block (Equivalent to TR707)
Bass - Roland MKS-7 Bass block (Equivalent to Juno 106)
Fill in 1st bridge - Yamaha TX81Z (Krystal Choir)
Brass - Yamaha TX81Z (ChorusBrass)
Effects:
Alesis Microverb (setting room #5)
ADA S1000 Digital Delay
Other:
TEAC V-103 Stereo Tape deck
KAWAI MX-8R 8-channel Mixer
Commodore C64 with Sonus' Glass-tracks Sequencing Software
Shure SM58 microphone
Dave Dreher
47 LaSalle Ave.
Framingham, MA 01701
(508) 877-7295
My tape contains three entries. All are original compositions.
All synth and drum machine sequences programmed into MC-500
and mixed down to master, synced by FSK. Only Guitar, Vocals,
and Bass were recorded on 8-track. All tracks recorded at Baby Shade,
my home studio.
1) One Good Dream
Written by Dave Dreher, Ellen Dreher, Ron Ross
Ellen Dreher - Vocals
Ron Ross - Keyboards
Dave Dreher - Guitar, Programming
2) Seasons
Written by Dave Dreher, Ellen Dreher, Ron Ross
Ellen Dreher - Vocals
Ron Ross - Keyboards
Dave Dreher - Guitar, Programming
Dave O - Bass
3) Need You Tonight
Written by Dave Dreher, Ellen Dreher, Ron Ross, Angel Clymes
Ellen Dreher - Vocals
Angel Clymes - Vocals
Ron Ross - Keyboards
Dave Dreher - Guitar, Programming
Recording equipment used:
Tascam 38 8-trk w/8 ch. dbx Aries 24x8 mixing board
Roland SDE-3000 digital delay Effectron ADM-256 digital delay
ART 01a digital reverb Yamaha SPX-90 effects processor
DBX 160 Compressor DBX 166 Compressor
Biamp 210 stereo equalizer AKG 414 microphone
LinnDrum (sampler) Roland S-50 (sampler)
Roland Jupiter-6 (analog synth) Roland MKS-30 (analog synth)
Yamaha TX7 (FM synth) Yamaha FB01 (FM synth)
Roland MC-500 sequencer Roland MKB-200 controller
Gallen Kruger 250ml guitar amp Kramer guitar
Tascam 2-22 2-trk Tascam 122 cassette deck
Tom Janzen
The PDP11/23 synthesis project (weekends and evenings) has been cancelled.
All of the expertise is being transferred to the Commodore Amiga, Deluxe
Music Construction Set, and Synthia (to make instruments).
If I remember correctly what I submitted:
Stravinsky: Le Sacre de Printemps, opening of Prelude. No post processing.
No MIDI. Only the Amiga sound port was used.
Janzen: Caterpillar Blews (c) 1977; The right hand and the left hand
slip an eighth every four bars.
Bach: Goldberg Variations: Aria. I used a plucked string model for the
first half, and mixed several instruments in the closing. I could have
used four different colors at once if I had put each of 4 lines on a
separate staff, but I used a piano staff, and a given staff may have only
one color (I think) in DMCS.
I used no post-processing or overdubbing. It's all mono.
I have many more examples that I and other people in the Amiga grapevine
have entered. Let me know if you're interested.
Tom Benson
Jingle Jangle Jingle
Fuso, a friend of mine, found himself singing this song while driving somewhere
with his wife. All he could remember was the first line and something like
"Oh Lulu Belle, oh Lulu Bell, you look like hell..." His wife claimed that it
was so dumb that he must have made it up. He asked me about it, and I agreed
that it was a real song, and started searching for proof. In the meantime, I
recorded this version and gave it to them as an anniversary present. I just
added additional dumb words to the ones Fuso remembered. Later, I found out
that it was a hit for Tex Ritter in the early forties, and got a recording on
a "greatest hits" tape. Later, I found the sheet music in an antique store,
and last month I found the original version on a 78 at the flea market.
As I've told db, no warrantee is implied with this song. I assume no
responsibility for the use or reliability of this music on any equipment which
might make it audible. The stuff I wanted to have on Commusic V isn't done
yet.
Implements: guitar, CZ5000 synth, RZ-1 drum machine with sampled saucepan,
griddle, steamer, and produce scale.
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1410.26 | db at LERDS-BIM to distribute C-V's and consume DBLMARGs | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Wed Jul 20 1988 11:20 | 16 |
| Attention LERDS-BIM'ers.
I am planning to "do" LERDS-BIM tonite. I will bring about a dozen
copies of Commusic V for distribution.
I greatly prefer to distribute tapes this way rather than mail, and
it's cheaper for you also. So if you can make LERDS-BIM tonite, even
if only long enough to pick up the tapes, you oughta try and make it.
Or you can arrange to have a friend pick up a copy (or better yet,
make a copy from a friends copy).
Whatever...
Yo Ron, if you get there before me, order up a few DBLMARGs.
db
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1410.27 | Location (NOT nodename!) | MIDEVL::YERAZUNIS | You're walking along the beach and you find a tortise... | Wed Jul 20 1988 11:42 | 2 |
| WHERE???
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1410.28 | Starts at 5:00... | JAWS::COTE | feelin' kinda hyper... | Wed Jul 20 1988 11:45 | 9 |
| Tom Foolery's, Westboro....
From the north... take route 495 to route 9 west. Go approximately
1.5 miles on route 9 and TF's will be on the right...
Somehow, people just *know* which group is LERDS-BIM when they
get inside...
Edd
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1410.29 | Bring Your Virtual Chicken | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Wed Jul 20 1988 17:31 | 20 |
| TF's is at the intersection of routes 9 and 30 in Westborough.
As you get off route 9 westbound to get on route 30 westbound,
the entrance to TF's is right in the hook of the curve.
The traditional way to be recognized is to talk about wearing a
chicken on your head, but not actually wear one. Got that?
Eventually you will be overheard by some regular LERDS-BIMmer,
and an arcane exchange of passwords will take place:
LERDS-BIM?
COMMUSIC V!
DX-7?
D-50!
Dolby B?
dbx!
All right, you're ok...
len.
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1410.30 | Same $ as CMIV? | FGVAXZ::MASHIA | Crescent City Kid | Mon Aug 01 1988 16:46 | 6 |
| Dave,
How much are you charging for the tapes? Last time it was $4.00,
but I know the XLII-S's are a tad more expensive than the XLII's.
Rodney M.
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1410.31 | Tape prices and Commusic P&L statements | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Mon Aug 01 1988 17:28 | 22 |
| Still (as always) $4 via US Mail, $2.50 if you pick it up from me.
I'm still using XL-II's, not XL-IIS's. I used an XL-IIS for the
master, but not for the copies.
Actually, my mailing costs went up, but I found a cheaper source for
tapes. So the $2.50 sometimes includes a slight profit. I'm pocketing
this "profit" as small compensation for the duping deck I bought
largely for the purposes of making Commusic tapes, not to mention
the time, electricity and the $25 I paid for the Commusic III and
Commusic IV master tapes (Sony Pro-X Beta and Sony Metal C-90).
I also have to announce that I will no longer "loan" tapes out to
anyone whom I don't know personally. Surprisingly enough, I've had
a fair amount of problems getting people to return them within a
reasonable period of time (some folks not getting around to it,
others leaving the company, etc.).
So the profit in the $2.50 also goes to cover some losses I've
incurred.
db
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1410.32 | Tape label for COMMUSIC V | ARGUS::CORWIN | Social Caterpillar | Fri Nov 04 1988 14:33 | 258 |
| Following the formfeed is a postscript file. Extract it, print it out on the
LPS40 with a command such as:
$ PRINT/PARAM=DATA_TYPE=POSTSCRIPT/QUEUE=lps_queue filename.PS
and you should get a label to use with your COMMUSIC V tape.
Please let me know what you think, if you have any problems, or if you want the
source so you can do this for the rest of your tapes. :-)
Jill
/inch {72 mul} def
/savecur %saves current location in savex and savey
{currentpoint /savey exch def /savex exch def} def
/movecur %moves to saved location in savex and savey
{savex savey moveto} def
/nrtypefont /Helvetica findfont .12 inch scalefont def
/scalesongs %saves Times-Roman font on stack
{/Times-Roman findfont exch scalefont setfont} def
/testwidth %tests string width
{stringwidth pop 1.825 inch gt
{savecur
0 0 moveto 4 inch 2.3 inch lineto stroke
0 2.3 inch moveto 4 inch 0 lineto stroke
movecur} if
} def
0.150 inch 1.000 inch translate
0 3.125 inch translate
0.000 inch 0.000 inch moveto
4.000 inch 0 rlineto
0 0.625 inch rlineto
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closepath
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4.000 inch 0 rlineto
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0.000 inch 0.000 inch moveto
4.000 inch 0 rlineto
0 3.750 inch rlineto
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0.125 inch 2.362 inch moveto
0.200 inch 0 rlineto
0 0.200 inch rlineto
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2.125 inch 2.362 inch moveto
0.200 inch 0 rlineto
0 0.200 inch rlineto
-0.200 inch 0 rlineto
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/Times-Bold findfont .22 inch scalefont setfont
1 setgray
gsave
newpath
0 0 moveto
(A) true charpath
flattenpath
pathbbox /hei exch def /wid exch def clear
grestore
newpath
0.225 inch 2.462 inch moveto
wid -2 div hei -2 div rmoveto
(A) show stroke
gsave
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0 0 moveto
(B) true charpath
flattenpath
pathbbox /hei exch def /wid exch def clear
grestore
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wid -2 div hei -2 div rmoveto
(B) show stroke
0 setgray
0 inch 2.3 inch moveto
1.95 inch 0 rlineto
4 inch 2.3 inch moveto
-1.95 inch 0 rlineto
closepath
2 setlinewidth
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1 setlinewidth
.12 inch scalesongs
0.125 inch 2.15 inch moveto
(Paul Kent) show
(Paul Kent) testwidth
0.125 inch 2.03 inch moveto
( It's All a Game (4:15)) show
( It's All a Game (4:15)) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.90 inch moveto
( It's Because of You (4:30)) show
( It's Because of You (4:30)) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.78 inch moveto
( The Instrumental (4:00)) show
( The Instrumental (4:00)) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.66 inch moveto
(Dave Bottom) show
(Dave Bottom) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.54 inch moveto
( Ain't Found Nothin' (4:35)) show
( Ain't Found Nothin' (4:35)) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.41 inch moveto
(Event Horizon \(submitted by) show
(Event Horizon \(submitted by) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.29 inch moveto
( Bob Yerazunis\)) show
( Bob Yerazunis\)) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.17 inch moveto
( Beyond Event Horizon) show
( Beyond Event Horizon) testwidth
0.125 inch 1.05 inch moveto
(John Williams) show
(John Williams) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.93 inch moveto
( Rule of Thumb (3:05)) show
( Rule of Thumb (3:05)) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.80 inch moveto
( Games from the Void (3:00)) show
( Games from the Void (3:00)) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.68 inch moveto
( Caught Between) show
( Caught Between) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.56 inch moveto
( Hemispheres (4:10)) show
( Hemispheres (4:10)) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.44 inch moveto
(Pete LaQuerre) show
(Pete LaQuerre) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.31 inch moveto
( No One's Paying) show
( No One's Paying) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.19 inch moveto
( Attention (4:55)) show
( Attention (4:55)) testwidth
0.125 inch 0.07 inch moveto
( A State of Mind (4:00)) show
( A State of Mind (4:00)) testwidth
.12 inch scalesongs
2.125 inch 2.15 inch moveto
(Steve Sherman) show
(Steve Sherman) testwidth
2.125 inch 2.04 inch moveto
( No Excuses) show
( No Excuses) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.92 inch moveto
(Karl Moeller) show
(Karl Moeller) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.81 inch moveto
( Easter Morning (4:10)) show
( Easter Morning (4:10)) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.69 inch moveto
( Suite Pt. I:) show
( Suite Pt. I:) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.58 inch moveto
( The Procession (4:50)) show
( The Procession (4:50)) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.46 inch moveto
( The Minefield (8:00)) show
( The Minefield (8:00)) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.34 inch moveto
(Dan Eaton) show
(Dan Eaton) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.23 inch moveto
( He is a Rock) show
( He is a Rock) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.11 inch moveto
(Dave Dreher) show
(Dave Dreher) testwidth
2.125 inch 1.00 inch moveto
( One Good Dream) show
( One Good Dream) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.88 inch moveto
( Seasons) show
( Seasons) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.76 inch moveto
( Need You Tonite) show
( Need You Tonite) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.65 inch moveto
(Tom Janzen) show
(Tom Janzen) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.53 inch moveto
( Goldberg Variations (Bach)) show
( Goldberg Variations (Bach)) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.42 inch moveto
( Caterpillar Blews) show
( Caterpillar Blews) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.30 inch moveto
( Sacre) show
( Sacre) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.19 inch moveto
(Tom Benson) show
(Tom Benson) testwidth
2.125 inch 0.07 inch moveto
( Jingle Jangle Jingle) show
( Jingle Jangle Jingle) testwidth
0 2.625 inch translate
/Times-Bold findfont .15 inch scalefont setfont
0.125 inch .175 inch moveto
(COMMUSIC V ) show stroke
0 -2.625 inch translate
1.600 inch 2.360 inch moveto
0.080 inch 0 rlineto
0 0.100 inch rlineto
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1.700 inch 2.360 inch moveto
0.080 inch 0 rlineto
0 0.100 inch rlineto
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1 setgray
1.623 inch 2.41 inch .035 inch 270 90 arc
closepath fill
1.757 inch 2.41 inch .035 inch 90 270 arc
closepath fill
0 setgray
nrtypefont setfont
1.82 inch 2.36 inch moveto
(B) show
3.600 inch 2.360 inch moveto
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0 0.100 inch rlineto
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0.080 inch 0 rlineto
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closepath fill
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closepath fill
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(B) show
showpage
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1410.33 | cover looks good | HPSRAD::NORCROSS | | Fri Nov 04 1988 15:04 | 7 |
| Re: Commusic V cover...
Looks great! ...what did you mean by 'the source'? what form does this
take? some software or something? I'd be interested in having a
copy to make covers for other tapes.
/Mitch
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1410.34 | a little more detail on .32 | ARGUS::CORWIN | Social Caterpillar | Fri Nov 04 1988 15:41 | 14 |
| re .33 (Mitch)
The file that you submitted to the LPS40 was a program, since
PostScript is a language. It told the Microvax inside the LPS40 what to do.
There is another program (mostly Fortran) that takes a simple input file
and creates the PostScript code. When I said "the source", I meant the
.EXE file (as well as documentation on how to use it) so you could use it for
other tapes.
Glad you like it!
Please send me mail if you want the .EXE and other necessary files.
Jill
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1410.35 | Also CASSETTE doctype | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad - back in Ohio. | Fri Nov 04 1988 16:16 | 7 |
| For what it's worth, there is an internal doctype for DOCUMENT called
CASSETTE that works quite well at producing labels. Since I don't have
access to an LPS40 (just got access to an LN03 last week), I can't
compare the two. However, someone should probably check both of them
out. Sure makes nice cassette liners.
-b
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1410.36 | ummm, hate to mention it, but ... | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | Love is a decision ... | Sat Nov 05 1988 01:11 | 12 |
| Hey, isn't there a potential conflict of interest possibility here?
Like, won't the Digital Police come after you if you make millions
using a DOCUMENT-generated cassette label? Or, if you have scruples,
won't this make you feel a little guilty?
Actually, a couple of months ago I brought up this very issue with
my cost center manager. Technically, it's a no-no to use Digital
resources to generate your own album covers to sell your albums.
Arrangements can be made, but this involves a committee decision
and the committee tends to be real gunshy.
Steve
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1410.37 | But this is a *clean* conference... | TALK::HARRIMAN | THINK before you VOTE.It's the LAW | Mon Nov 07 1988 09:46 | 4 |
|
re: .-1
Okay, so officially, we don't condone it.
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1410.38 | I'm certainly not selling anything... | ARGUS::CORWIN | Social Caterpillar | Wed Nov 09 1988 13:52 | 6 |
| Disclaimer:
I can't speak for anyone else or what they choose to do, but my the output from
my label program is intended for home use only.
Jill
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