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| 1344.1 | SPX-90/II | MORRIS::JANZEN | Tom LMO2/O23 296-5421 | Mon May 02 1988 12:36 | 59 |
| >< Note 1344.0 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "The height of MIDIocrity" >
> -< Eventide H-3000 >-
>
> In case any of you are wondering what to get me for Xmas, I already
> know what I want (I think). ;-)
>
> I want an Eventide H-3000 harmonizer.
>
> I am DYING to get more information about this beast. It really sounds
> like the ultimate harmonizer/delay effect unit for me.
>
> Among the things (I hear) it does:
>
> o MIDI (allegedly VERY flexible MIDI implementation)
spx90
> o Harmonizing
spx90
> o Reverb
spx90
> o Delay
spx90
> o Harmonizer can be programmed diatonically (FINALLY!!!!)
spx90
> o Delay can sync to MIDI clock
I don't know, no MIDI setup
>
> The bad news: the one price I have seen for it is $2099. Even so,
spx90-II 2 seconds memory ca. $625
> I'm thinking of saving for it. We're alreadying beginning to see
> the Harmonizer emerge as the "next" high-impact effect (after the DDL)
SPX90
> and I've been wanting to get in early and coming up with my own
> techniques before I have a chance to be influenced by what everyone
> else (will be) doing with them.
This effect has been around for like 15 years. I heard it done
experiementally to play an old Mahler recording at a different tempo
without changing the pitch in the early 70's.
>
> If I hear that it will do several effects at once, I'm gonna sell a
> bunch of stuff off and pick one up.
Not the spx90
>
> Does ANYONE have any literature, knowlege, experience, etc. with
> this thing? Does anyone know of comparable (and cheaper) units
> under development.
Yamaha SPX90-II. Come over and play with it a little, Dave.
>
> db - hot to harmonize
>
You must not have heard my perofmrance pieces Slowasleep and
Fame can you handle it you heard harmonizing.
Laurie Anderson has been Harmonizing since 1980 I think, with an
Eventide. "Harmonize" must be an Eventide trade term.
"Pitch Change" is used in other vendors.
SPX90 can also do 2 simultaneous pitch changes.
You can also play a midi keyboard into it to change the current
harmonizing interval. (I don't have a midi keybrd.
Tom
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| 1344.2 | This harmonizer understands keys and scales | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | The height of MIDIocrity | Mon May 02 1988 14:28 | 29 |
| Tom,
I'm pretty familiar with the SPX-90.
I think what you've misunderstood what they mean by "diatonic
harmonization". That term was a bad choice especially since
it will lead people to say "ho-hum" as you have.
This is the FIRST harmonizer that can be taught the key/scale/mode
that you're playing in. For example, if you program it to play
a "third" in the key of A Aolian minor, it knows that if you play A,
it should play a minor third up from A, whereas if you play C, it
will play a major third.
Unless you play only in whole tone scales, (I'd believe that, in your
case ;-) ), you'd find the H-3000 significantly less limiting than
your SPX-90B.
I know that harmonization has been around for years. However, I was
talking about using it in a particular context: rock guitar.
Rock guitarists are just starting to "discover" what you can do with
a harmonizer much in the way that Eddie Van Halen demonstrated what
can be done with a Vibrato bar (or tapping), or what can be done
with delay.
I'm not concerned with "who used harmonization first". My interest
is learning how to apply/use it in a particular context.
db
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| 1344.3 | SPX90 could do that, too | PLDVAX::JANZEN | Tom LMO2/O23 296-5421 | Mon May 02 1988 14:50 | 8 |
| Hi
If you use a sequencer with the spx-90 laying the relative interval
in as you play the tune, it can apparently do harmonic harmonizationg.
for $625, not $2K, that's K.
Tom
(I invented the pitch change effect when I was 4 years old)
8^)
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| 1344.4 | help with cost estimates | PLDVAX::JANZEN | Tom LMO2/O23 296-5421 | Mon May 02 1988 15:11 | 6 |
| Wait, there's a MIDI device for listening to acoustic pitch, isn't
there? So then you need software to read the pitch from that machine,
and calculate the interval in half-steps to harmonize so that it
stays in a given scale, then send that interval to the SPX90.
But I don't know how much that is.
Tom
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| 1344.5 | | FIDDLE::CROWLEY | ere lies David St. 'ubbins, and why not! | Mon May 02 1988 15:52 | 15 |
|
Sounds like the ultimate in harmonizers. I've been using an
Ibanez harmonizer for about 4 years. Its fairly limited in
its specs and functionality, but its been alot of fun. I've
always lusted for an Eventide.....maybe one of these days.
Some good listening fora harmonizer in rock guitar would be
Brian May from Queen. He's used several Evantides for years.
db, if you buy one, I guess I'll have to too....hell, we have
just about the same amp setup! :^) (I'll keep dreaming for the
Evantide...)
Ralph
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| 1344.6 | More raving | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | The height of MIDIocrity | Mon May 02 1988 16:54 | 36 |
| Yeah, I'm really surprised that harmonizers haven't kept up with DDLs.
They are ALMOST as useful IMO. Maybe this is the start.
My major questions are:
o Can it do more than one interval (i.e, can I get it to play several
harmonized notes at once (sorta like your one-fingered chord organs).
o How much else does it do (reverb, delay, etc.) and how well?
o Can it do more than one effect at a time (oh please, oh please).
I think if the answer to these questions are generally positive,
I may throw fiscal caution to the wind and get one. Of course,
if it can do all that, I think I'm probably gonna have to wait
in line even at $2k.
> Some good listening fora harmonizer in rock guitar would be
> Brian May from Queen. He's used several Evantides for years.
Y'know Ralph, people have been asking me to give examples of using
harmonizers (in a rock context), and somehow it never even occurred
to me to mention Brian May!!!! Sheeshhh!
> hell, we have just about the same amp setup!
Yeah, we could just about use each other as equipment backup for gigs.
Y'know what I'm gonna do is see if I can rent one for a day. I'm
just about ready to record a guitar solo for this tune I've been
working on (since the dawn of MIDI) and I'm tempted to write out
a solo, simulate the whole thing on a synth (w. MIDI delay and
'manual' harmonization) and when I have it down, just borrow the
Eventide for a day and do it.
db
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| 1344.7 | trying to increase the trade deficit | PLDVAX::JANZEN | Tom LMO2/O23 296-5421 | Mon May 02 1988 17:01 | 3 |
| If you got 3 spx90's for $1900 (save $100), you could do 3 effects
at once and harmonize 6 notes!
Tom
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| 1344.8 | WAIT...HOLD ON TO YOUR MONEY!!! | SRFSUP::MORRIS | HR-16 program = 'Algorhythm' | Mon May 02 1988 17:02 | 10 |
|
I read in Recording Engineer and Producer that ART is coming out
with a "Multiverb".
This is supposed to have multi-effects (a la DSP-128) and
harmonization.
Supposed to be out in May.
Ashley
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| 1344.9 | db...here's where the info is | MISPRT::SFAFRAK | COMMUSIX for kids, silly rabbit | Tue May 03 1988 01:20 | 6 |
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db,
See note 1335.5 on the H3000.
Scott
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| 1344.10 | | MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID | Coming soon on a node near you | Tue May 03 1988 08:11 | 7 |
| re: .8 ART
ART announced the Proverb 200 (20 presets) a 16 bit machine to
challenge the Midiverb II, is that the device you're speaking of?
I didn't really read the ad so....
db2
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| 1344.11 | nope | SRFSUP::MORRIS | HR-16 program = 'Algorhythm' | Tue May 03 1988 15:10 | 11 |
| re .10
nope.
This is a brand new machine, that might be just the ticket.
The name is definitely 'Multiverb'.
Yeah, that's the ticket...
Ashley
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| 1344.12 | Three models
| MISING::SFAFRAK | RISCy business... | Wed Jan 03 1990 14:55 | 38 |
| I received some literature in the mail yesterday from Eventide regarding the
H3000. To summarize.
The H3000 has been renamed to the H3000-S (Studio)
It also includes per-patch volume modification
New presets created by Steve Vai.
The H3000 can be updated via ROM chip to add new functionality.
H3000-B (Broadcast)
Has "Timesqueeze" compression for radio and other algorithims
Different presets
The H3000 can be updated via ROM to add this functionality
H3000-SE (Studio Enhanced)
Top-of-the-Line. 9 additional algorithims including Vocorder,
Tone Generation (like a synth), New Reverb, etc.
Additional presets
The H3000 can be updated via ROM to add this functionality
The H3000-S is $2495
The H3000-B I'll have to check but I think it is $2695
The H3000-SE is $2995
H3000 to H3000-S is ~$ 300
H3000 to H3000-B is ~$ 600
H3000 to H3000-SE is ~$ 600
H3000 to H3000-B and H3000-SE is ~$1200
Steve Vai preset ROM is ~$ 100
1/4" to XLR convertor is ~$ 75
That's all I have for now. If anyone is interested in more let me know and I'll
bring in the literature.
Scott
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| 1344.13 | | KOBAL::DICKSON | You could be an ocarina salesman | Thu Jan 04 1990 09:38 | 8 |
| Laurie Anderson uses the model 3000 Eventide Harmonizer on her latest
album, "Strange Angels". In the Keyboard interview she referred to it
as "the girls in the box".
I highly recommend "Strange Angels" by the way. It is much more
musical than, say, "Big Science". And her singing is much improved
since she took lessons. Backup singing by Bobby McFerrin and the Roche
sisters.
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