| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 1300.1 | Who has and how much | KIM::MUSUMECI | | Tue Apr 19 1988 07:38 | 8 |
|
Has anybody got a quote from someone who actually had one of these
in stock? Here in the Washington D.C area I haven't found anybody
who has them in stock ( most say they will have them May 1st) and
I am being told that the K1m is listed at $595 and the K1 at $895.
Chris
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| 1300.2 | Don't necessarily hold your breath. | BOLT::BAILEY | Steph Bailey | Tue Apr 19 1988 15:44 | 4 |
| My favorite music store estimated two months delivery time. They
have always been pretty accurate in the past.
Steph
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| 1300.3 | It seemed like a winner. | BOLT::BAILEY | Steph Bailey | Tue May 17 1988 19:08 | 28 |
| The K1s are in the stores. I spend some time with one this weekend.
First, the prices have been hiked so that the old list price is
now the discount price ($795).
Mechanically, the keyboard feels good. Especially for such a cheap
instrument. It seemed as solid as that of a DX7. (As compared
to the keyboard on the D-10, which felt cheaper, to me). Velocity
aftertouch, the wheels and the joystick all worked fine.
Many of the sounds are terrific. Just the sort of
large-breathy-percussive-dynamic-vibrant-warm-icy-edgy-smooth sounds
that people are starting to associate with the Roland D-50.
I found the editing interface to be very easy to use, but I already own
a Kawai synth, so I might be a bit biased. It was simple, and fun to
whip up new sounds right on the spot.
My biggest complaint about the unit is its polyphony, but that is my
own bone. If you can stand the MT-32, or the DX11, or the DS8, then,
you can stand the K1. I want 16 voices all the time.
I strongly urge you to go try the K1 (immediately, do it on
your lunch hour!) if you are in the market for a low cost, very
versatile keyboard.
Steph
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| 1300.4 | Hey, it's ONLY $595.... | NCVAX1::ALLEN | | Sat May 28 1988 16:23 | 30 |
| My dealer (and the Kawai rep) showed me the K1, recently. I
was impressed, but then again I usually am the first time I hear
something. The sound is definitely different from the K5, so those
of you who didn't like the K5 should NOT automatically rule out
its little brother. I say "little" because there do seem to be
some "creature comforts" and flexibility in the K5 which are missing
in the K1. That is fine for me, because I intend to buy a K1m
module if I buy it at all.
And, ah yes, the sound. Well, Kawai is certainly taking the
D50 seriously. Every other patch brought to mind the "L.A." sound.
I guess I am one of the few people in the world who does not like
that "sound", at least not for more than three or four minutes.
The K1's patches sounded a bit more usable, although similar, and
even the names seem to have been chosen to bring to mind you know
who (or what). One thing I definitely liked about the K1 was the
percussion. It is not enough to make one want to buy the machine,
and I certainly won't throw out my R50, but the sounds I heard should
add nicely to the ones I have. (They sounded different that the
stock R50; must be from the new chips).
I need to go and listen again, this time more critically. Maybe
I'll bring a pair of headphones, since I don't have a wall of Marshall
amps at home and the equipment inevitably doesn't sound the same,
once I get it back at the Ponderosa. Incidentally, the price on
the K1m module out here (MPLS, MN) is $595.00 list.
Bill
ps Steve, are you going to buy one?
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| 1300.5 | Otherwise good value! | MARVIN::MACHIN | | Tue May 31 1988 05:26 | 8 |
| Re .4:
Funny you should mention headphones. I listened to the K1 on
headphones and found that many of the voices had a lot of added
breathy noise -- added and unwanted. There may be a way of tweeking
this out, I don't know...
Richard.
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| 1300.6 | Curse of the Poly 800 | AQUA::ROST | Lizard King or Bozo Dionysius? | Tue May 31 1988 09:54 | 11 |
|
Re: .5
Funny you should say that...at least one note I read somewhere (USENET
probably) said that the K1 has no filters!!!!
No filters = no noise control.
Is this possible????
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| 1300.7 | K1 Review Plus K3,K5 Info | AQUA::ROST | Lizard King or Bozo Dionysius? | Thu Jun 02 1988 10:07 | 85 |
|
This came over USENET last night. It's a review of the K1, an update on
mods for the K5 and also news about blowout prices on K3s for those looking
for a cheap analog module.
*************************************************************************
Well I went back to Lasalle in West Hartford on saturday to buy a K1m. They
won't be getting them in till Wed this week (1 JUN). I played with the K1
they had on display for a couple of uninterupted hours, this time without my
son being there. Friday nught, I received the latest edition of Music
Technology which featured the first reasonably long review of the K1 to date.
Armed with the observations of that review and the brief report in Keyboard
I reassessed the K1 again from a more critical viewpoint. First, the keyboard
wasn't as light as I thought it to be the first time I played it. It is
definately firmer than many but not as firm as the K3/K5 keyboard which I
really like. Next the sounds. The samples (8-bit) are a bit noisy, but I
left with the impression that the noise actually helped some of the sounds in
the instrument. However, for some of the sounds, the noise was a bit much
but at least it is gated and dies away with the release segment of the sound.
The user interface is not too bad. Because there isn't as much to program
in a K1 as there is in a K5, the manual is written at a different level which
I found reasonably hard to follow (the K5 manual is, I believe, excellent
and describes the user interface very well. The K1 manual kept me guessing).
Although I think that the K1's sound is much more rich than th Roland stuff,
it still isn't up for critical recording tasks because of the dynamic
compression and noise in the PCM samples. For stage work, however, the
thing would really be a beast. There are articulation possibilities which
can only be dreamed of with a D-50. Also, in a live situation, the ambient
noise would obscure anyt defects in the sound. One thing that I noticed
immediAtely was that the sounds of the K1, while every bit as powerful and
complex as the best of the D-50, were not cliched yet. So, people who have
no intention of programming the thing can get that big Honda commercial type
sound without actually using the same patch. It's one thing for the overall
sound of an instrument to be recognized (Mini-Moog, DX-7, etc) it is actually
depressing that you can listen to records or commercials and say, "Yep, thats
D-50 patch Fantasy in bank 6 with the Chase turned on". Anyway, I decided
not to buy a K1 at the time and decided to wait for the next ROM revision.
However, at $450 or so, I don't think you can go wrong with a K1 and judging
by the popularity of the D-50 (which in many instances is just as noisy, which
is one reason I won't buy one of them either) the noise is not going to keep
the thing off any records and commercials.
Instead of the K1, i bought a K3m ($300) which has got to be the most ewasily
programmable synth available on the market. They are not that flexible but
what they do, they do well, and they are quiet and have an excellent
chorus setup. LaSalle's is blowing them out at $300 and If you need one
more polyphonic, analog sounding synth for string washes, synth vocals,
or similar stuff, you should look into a K3m. They have a very full MIDI
capability for a module.
Finally, I bought another K5 (after listening to the K1 and D50 for a couple
of hours I was so impressed with the quietness of the K5, i figured I'd
buy another one). While I was there I found several things which might be
of interest to K5 owners. First, Kawai is working on a major ROM update which
will add a lot of stuff to the already overstuffed K5 voice acthetecture.
Apparently there will be a programmable delay function on all the envelope
generators, and the DDF and DDA envelopes will support re-triggering as
well as looping. (It's funny talking about 'all the envelope generators' but
unless you have programmed a K5 you have no idea how powerful the 11 EVs
can be). Also, they are fixing a few things which have to do with voice
assignment and there is some kind of provision for 2 of the numbered outputs
(the K5 has 4 and 1 mixed out) to be ganged as real stereo outs with some
kind of stereo bus routing system controling it. Next, everyone is saying
that the next revision will support non-harmonic partial (correct usage here)
frequency spacings. No one could explain how they were going to do it, but
it was suggested that you would just program in the frequency of the
partials one at a time. No one could tell me how they were going to deal
with decimal places in the lower frequency regions, but even if the fqs have
to be integers, it will still be neat. There is also a suggestion of the
inclusion of more envelopes in the DHGs with 8 total evs available to
each DHG and 16 when the two DHGs are combined, this I'm told will require
some modest cost hardware fixing. Finally, the second sources are apparently
hard at work in K5 support. Grey Matter is doing a hardware upgrade which
is suposed to add a lot of stuff to the DHG system. Also, I was told that
software sampler(s) is/are available which will digitize to computer memory
and do harmonic envelope analysis in order to best approximate the input
in K5 language. Kawai has just released patch banks 7 and 8, in which many
of the sounds were created this way.
One last thing about Kawai K5 user library. Kawai will put any of the official
8 banks on a RAM card for free if you supply the RAM card. Also, there is
a downloadable ASCII service available on PAN for KAWAI users.
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| 1300.8 | 'Ready to make some noise?' | 20981::EATOND | Where is he when the music stops? | Thu Jun 02 1988 11:10 | 14 |
| I had an opportunity to listen to a K1 thru headphones the other day
and my first impression was similar to what others have said, 'this is noisy'.
Thru headphones, with no 'verb', the noise was quite distracting. I left it
thinking 'this is one keyboard to avoid'.
Still, after hearing this last commentary, an interesting thought
occured to me... Has noise become marketable? The D50, with its 'breathy'
cliche sounds, soaked in reverb, seems to pave the way for cheap imitations
like the K1 to actually use noise as a feature, not a bug! I think if you
added the correct amount of reverb (digital, of course 8^) to the K1's
output, you could easily fool the public at large that you have th IN sound.
Isn't technology wonderful?
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| 1300.9 | no more 8 for me ...? | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | Baron of Graymatter | Thu Jun 02 1988 18:12 | 5 |
| 8 bits (!). How many bits does the D-110 diddle with? The S-10
and the TZ have kind of spoiled me with 12-bit, and the MV2 has
spoiled me on 16-bit effects.
Steve_who_has_a_D-110_on_next_year's_shopping_list
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| 1300.10 | 8 bits can be ok. | PANGLS::BAILEY | Constants aren't, variables don't | Fri Jun 03 1988 16:59 | 10 |
| For a ``controlled'' recording situation like what you find in the
K1 (or drum machines), 8 bits is generally fine. Remember that
the waveforms in the K1 have no dynamics in them, hence the requisite
dynamic range is small. Dynamics are provided by the envelopes.
For what it's worth, the noise in the K1 does not appear to be
quantization, but rather the result of cheap analog stuff (converters,
and amps).
Steph
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| 1300.11 | Another K1 Review | AQUA::ROST | Obedience to the law guarantees freedom | Fri Jun 24 1988 17:21 | 110 |
|
Here's a K1 review from USENET that may be of some interest:
I've had a K1 for three weeks now and finally have some time to write
a review. The K1 is my first synthesizer so I can't really
compare it other synths, therefore this review is from a novices point
of view. I do have a little computer science bias since that's what I
do for a living.
First impressions:
At first I simply played with the factory presets and had a lot of fun
but was not particularly impressed with the sounds. But then for $895
(Yes, I paid list price), what do you expect? The sounds were very
breathy and to be honest, some of the multi-patches are kind of
dumb--"Year 2010", "Mystry@Nyt", "Monstagong"? I suppose they're
great for video scoring or maybe the Japanese have a different concept
of what sounds good (wait a minute, I'm Japanese!).
Part of the reason that I was not impressed with the sound is that I
listen strictly thru earphones. My earphones are fairly sensitive so
I can hear every little cutoff. When I plugged my K1 into a friends
system with nice speakers and all the effects you can dream of, I was
impressed with the sounds. It's amazing what a little reverb can do!
Generation of Sounds:
There are three levels of sound generation on the K1--multi-patches,
single patches, and sources. The multis are composed of up to 8
singles, the singles are composed of up to 4 sources, and the sources
are built-in and can't be changed. The K1 comes preset with 32
multis, 64 singles, and 256 sources. Optional ram cards can be
purchased which add another 32 multis and 64 singles. I've only seen
one optional ram card so far.
Creating new patches:
New multi-patches are fairly simple to create. It's just a matter of
selecting the single patches (up to 8), assigning midi channels, zones,
polyphony (VR, 0-8), mode (kybd/midi/mix), etc... Editing the values
is straight-forward though a bit slow since only one parameter can be
changed per screen.
Creating new single patches, on the other hand, is much more complex.
First, you have to choose the sources (up to 4). If only two sources
are chosen then there is 16 voices, otherwise there is 8-voice
polyphony. A booklet is included which shows the waveforms for the
synthesized sources and a listing of the sampled sources. The
waveforms show amplitude vs. time and amplitude vs. frequency. I
think the synthesized sources were arbitrarily named since they don't
seem to sound like their name. The sampled sources also don't sound
real but I haven't listened to all of them and some of them are very
short so it's hard to tell. Anyway, the bottom line is that I found
it very difficult to find the right combination of sources for the
sound that I wanted.
Once the sources are chosen, you can then edit the overall vibrato and
a few other common features for all the sources. For each source, you
can edit the envelope (level, delay, attack, decay, sustain, and
release), and play with the aftertouch, velocity, etc. You can also
have source 1 modulate source 2 and source 3 modulate source 4.
(Unfortunately, I don't know what a trumpet modulating a harpsichord
would sound like so I haven't messed with this yet.) Once again,
editing the parameters is straight-forward but slow.
!!******Note that there is no mention made of FILTERS*********??
User Interface:
The K1 has a two line 30 or 40 column screen. It is easy to read from
most angle but is not adjustable. A two line screen has many
limitations but it makes editing parameters fairly simple. Two keys
are used to step forward and backward thru values and a joystick is
used for faster moving. A Kawai K5 (more than twice the price of a
K1) has a much nicer interface with four arrow keys and some graphics.
Keyboard:
The keys feel like most other synths (i.e. I'm not sensitive enough to
tell the difference). The K1 is advertised as having weighted keys but
I don't feel a thing. The unit only weighs 20 lbs so I don't see how
it could be weighted.
Midi interface, etc.:
I found the midi interface very nice. It transmits and receives all
the usual things. In multi-mode, patches can be set for midi only,
keyboard only, or both. I have an Alesis MMT-8 sequencer and find the
multi-timbral feature of the K1 indispensible. It's very easy to set
midi channels, send program changes etc.
The manual is complete although it has quite a few spelling errors and
does not explain what each feature will do to the overall sound of the
patch.
Conclusion:
I'm quite happy with my K1. There are some drawbacks to a two-line
screen and the sounds are a bit breathy but overall for the price it's
well worth it. Now if I could only figure out how to combine
waveforms to get the sound I want.
jeremy
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| 1300.12 | I liked the sounds... | LOLITA::DIORIO | | Wed Aug 24 1988 11:59 | 8 |
|
I had a chance to hear a K1m yesterday, and I liked the breathy
sounds it has. It does D50-ish sounds quite well. The only thing
I didn't like about it was that rackmount hardware is not available
for it. That is a real drawback to me. I don't like having table-top
modules strewn all over the place. But it sounded good!
Mike D
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| 1300.13 | K1r | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | socialism doesn't work ... | Tue Sep 06 1988 10:34 | 8 |
| Over the other net, somebody posted that Kawai has just announced
the K1r, rack-mount version of the K1m. Any speculations? My guess
is that you'll get a 1-hich rack mount for $495 sans joystick (probably
replaced with four buttons). This would be just as well as I
understand that the joystick is a bit too hard to use for adjusting
parameters (not high enough resolution).
Steve
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| 1300.14 | who gots the bucket | NORGE::CHAD | Ich glaube Ich t�te Ich h�tte | Mon Dec 19 1988 12:07 | 8 |
| So, any one in Commusic land have one?
I for one would like to visit you if you do (and live in MA or NH) and hear/play
with it. I am interested in it but don't want to trek to a far away store
to play with one and then not buy it from them (financially I'll be in MO
status for a while [when I get that far...]).
CHad
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| 1300.15 | i love it | HAMER::COCCOLI | gnaV eht eraweB | Thu Mar 16 1989 18:28 | 9 |
|
Yup,I just bought one. I love the sound of this machine. Got it
for $435 including shipping and 3% A.E. surcharge from Caruso. The
sound fits in perfectly with the music I write, which sounds like
a cross between the newer version of King Crimson and the soundtrack
to a horror movie.
Rich
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| 1300.16 | RE:.15 | HAMER::COCCOLI | gnaV eht eraweB | Thu Mar 16 1989 18:31 | 6 |
|
The price in the previous note is for the rackmount, sans keyboard.
rich
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| 1300.17 | System Exclusive, Drum Samples | CSC32::M_MOSHER | WE ARE HERE TO GO | Fri Apr 07 1989 16:33 | 12 |
|
o Can someone give a summary of the system exclusive implementation
of the k1 series? Can the k1 initiate its own system exclusive
dumps?
o Can someone list the drum samples available.
Mark...
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| 1300.18 | | HAMER::COCCOLI | L<>7 | Fri Apr 07 1989 21:46 | 10 |
|
Sure..I'll bring in the manual Monday night and type it out.
The percussion is excellent on this machine, especially the tom
pcms. I'm getting ready to sell my TR505 since getting the K1r last
week.
Rich
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| 1300.19 | sorry, I've been ill'ing | HAMER::COCCOLI | L<>7 | Fri Apr 14 1989 22:48 | 56 |
|
Re .17:
I don't use sysex (no pc) but on the last page of the K1 Wavelist
it lists several exclusive functions.
These are:
One patch data request
All patch data request
Parameter send
One patch data dump
All patch data dump
Write complete
Write error (Protect or no card)
Machine ID request
Machine ID Ack
The following are the drum sounds available on the K1:
One Shot Samples:
Bass drum
Ac snare
Tight snare
Elec. snare
rim
ac tom
hi hat
crash
ride
Reverse samples:
Ac snare
Ac tom
Alternate samples:
H. hat
crash
There is also another type of looped sample called omnibus(?)
several of which sound like a drummer doing a roll using all the
drums in his kit. IMHO totally useless.
Then there are waveforms for:
Elec tom-2
Log drum-3
steel drums-2
Hope I've answered your question.
Rich
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| 1300.20 | Thanx for the info, k1r just arrived | CSC32::M_MOSHER | WE ARE HERE TO GO | Tue Apr 18 1989 15:11 | 9 |
| Thanx for the info. My k1r just arrived. I have not had
a chance to mess with it much. It definitely sounds like a mini-d50.
I think the synth and sample type sounds sound better than the d-110,
but the d110 drum samples are better...
Mark
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| 1300.21 | And the low-end is pretty neat, too. | KALLON::EIRIKUR | Civilization and its Disconnects | Tue Apr 18 1989 15:47 | 7 |
| I played the Kawai "Pop Keyboard" (PH-50?) at a music store a few weeks
ago. NICE sounds. Kind of restrictive about the keyboard-splitting
and so on, but I didn't have the manual to refer to. There's supposed
to be a module version. Has this been sighted anywhere? There's a
K* of some kind in my future, I fear.
Eirikur
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| 1300.22 | yeah!! | HAMER::COCCOLI | L<>7 | Tue Apr 18 1989 19:44 | 11 |
|
I played it also. Pretty cool sounds for a low price thang.
Joystick too.
Mark, should we start a K1 patch exchange topic or use this one?.
I know you just got it but I've done some pretty nice patches you
might want. Anyone else out there in Commusicmidiland got one?.
Rich
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| 1300.23 | More data! More data! | FGVAXR::MASHIA | We're all playing in the same band | Wed Apr 19 1989 10:18 | 8 |
| Re. : "Toy" Kawai
Does it have MIDI? I'm always on the lookout for cheap sound modules.
Speaking of cheap, is it?
Rodney
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| 1300.24 | keyboard has ad | NORGE::CHAD | Ich glaube Ich t�te Ich h�tte | Wed Apr 19 1989 10:40 | 10 |
| Keyboard May 89 (Cyberpunk issue) has on page 9 a full-page ad for the PH50.
It says, "The PH50 contains 200 hot digital sounds from Kawai's legendary
K1 that you can play as they are or layer, split, slice or dice in 50
combinations, plus MIDI, a built in drum machine, battery operation and speakers
that make it as comfortable on the beach or tour bus as on stage."
It also talks about a miniscule price.
Chad
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| 1300.25 | Hmmm... | FGVAXZ::MASHIA | We're all playing in the same band | Wed Apr 19 1989 10:59 | 9 |
| Anyone know if these are really the *same* sounds as the K1, i.e.,
identical sound-production architecture, or a lo-fi sorta soundalike,
something akin to FM's 4 op. vs 6 op. sounds. Sounds like it might
be worth checking out, expecially if I can convince my wife that
"Oh, it's just a toy for the kids!" :-).
Rodney
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| 1300.26 | patch exchange | CSC32::M_MOSHER | WE ARE HERE TO GO | Wed Apr 19 1989 13:30 | 12 |
|
RE .22
> Mark, should we start a K1 patch exchange topic or use this one?.
I would definitely be interested in a patch exchange. I think it
would be best to start a new topic for patches.
Mark...
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| 1300.27 | RE: PH50 | IOSG::CREASY | Goodnight out there... whatever you are | Wed Apr 19 1989 14:07 | 14 |
| I got a demo of the PH50 from a guy from Kawai a few weeks back. I must
admit I was impressed, and it's down on my wish list (I have to stress
I'm NOT a keyboard player, however).
According to his spiel, it uses the same internals as a K1. He even did
an A/B comparison of the PH50 and K1 running them both off a Kawai
sequencere (but not using the same sequence )^8 )
and there didn't seem to be that much difference in sounds - though
there did seem to be some difference... It's hard to tell in a shop,
though, maybe my ear just expected the K1 to sound better (!).
FWIW, it's selling in the UK at �299
Nick
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| 1300.28 | U.S. list on PH50 is ~$450.00 | KALLON::EIRIKUR | Civilization and its Disconnects | Wed Apr 19 1989 16:07 | 7 |
| PH50 seems to list at around $450.00 in the U.S. I haven't seen a
price below $400.00 :-( Personally, I'd like to see a module
version at a lower price. I don't need the non-velocity sensing 3/4
length keys, and I don't go to the beach, anyway.
Eirikur
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| 1300.29 | PH50 V.S. K1r | CSC32::M_MOSHER | WE ARE HERE TO GO | Wed Apr 19 1989 17:26 | 16 |
|
> PH50 seems to list at around $450.00 in the U.S. I haven't seen a
> price below $400.00 :-( Personally, I'd like to see a module
> version at a lower price. I don't need the non-velocity sensing 3/4
> length keys, and I don't go to the beach, anyway.
> Eirikur
If this PH50 is a mini-version of a k1 for $450.00, why
not buy a k1r (single rack version of k1) for $450.00 (or so)?? It
recieves velocity, and aftertouch.
Mark...
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| 1300.30 | Wishful thinking | KALLON::EIRIKUR | Civilization and its Disconnects | Wed Apr 19 1989 17:54 | 9 |
| Yeah, I'd like to see a PH50 module for less than $400, because it
would have the drum channel that the K1m lacks, but then it should cost
more than the K1m, right? It was wishful thinking. I'll probably
sit on my money until I get to hear a Proteus. If I were to get a
K1-series instrument, I would like to get some of the PH50 patches.
There were a couple that I really liked.
Eirikur
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| 1300.31 | This is related to .-1,.-2, etc. I think. | MAY10::DIORIO | Cellulite Heroes never really diet | Wed Apr 19 1989 18:03 | 4 |
|
I just saw a K1m in the Want Ads (Eastern MA) for $350.
Mike D
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| 1300.32 | | HAMER::COCCOLI | L<>7 | Wed Apr 19 1989 19:16 | 8 |
|
You can get a K1m new for $100 less than the K1r. NOBODY wants
another table-top thingie.
Rich
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| 1300.33 | Drumming up the truth... | FGVAXZ::MASHIA | We're all playing in the same band | Wed May 03 1989 13:59 | 13 |
| Re: .30 by KALLON::EIRIKUR "Civilization and its Disconnects"
> Yeah, I'd like to see a PH50 module for less than $400, because it
> would have the drum channel that the K1m lacks, but then it should cost
> more than the K1m, right? It was wishful thinking. I'll probably
Does this mean that the K1m doesn't do drums (i.e., no samples),
or that it doesn't have a MIDI channel "dedicated" to drums, (which
I would consider a feature)?
Confused in Toyland,
Rodney M.
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| 1300.34 | I've been listening to a lot of percussion music... | DDIF::EIRIKUR | Civilization and its Disconnects | Wed May 03 1989 16:02 | 7 |
| You are exactly right, it has drums, but not a separate MIDI channel
for them. Playing a drum voice costs against your total number of
voices, too. It is my understanding that the PH50 fixes both problems,
as does the K1-II.
Eirikur
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| 1300.35 | Gracias | FGVAXL::MASHIA | We're all playing in the same band | Wed May 03 1989 16:42 | 13 |
| Re. .34
Hmmm, I like the part about no forced midi drum channel, but I don't
like the part about drums eating polyphony, but I can understand
that tradeoff, considering the cost. I have an HR-16 which is all
I need for my pop song oriented percussion, anyway.
Thanks for the info. I suspect there's a K1m in my near future.
Rodney M_who_*still*_likes_the_D50_Fantasy_patch
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| 1300.36 | Built-in Drum Machines (without the sequencers) | HPSRAD::NORCROSS | Lost in MRO1 | Wed May 03 1989 17:16 | 18 |
| > < Note 1300.35 by FGVAXL::MASHIA "We're all playing in the same band" >
> Hmmm, I like the part about no forced midi drum channel, but I don't
> like the part about drums eating polyphony, but I can understand
> that tradeoff, considering the cost. I have an HR-16 which is all
I think the question is not whether there is a "forced channel" or not,
but rather, is there a dedicated channel (or part) through which
you can access many different percussion sounds at once (same
channel) (as a drum machine would appear to the user).
The D110 has such a dedicated part - sort of like a built-in drum
machine, without the sequencer. I believe most other synths that
provide drum-like sounds basically have a "patch" for each sound,
each one spread across the keyboard.
No?
/Mitch
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| 1300.37 | dRuMz | HAMER::COCCOLI | L<>7 | Thu May 04 1989 20:40 | 12 |
|
I use the drums on my K1 and it really does'nt affect the polyphony
*that* much. A single patch can be a split keyboard of for example,
bass and snare samples, which are only composed of two out of a
possible four partials (Roland terminology).When you are using in
a multitimbral (in the biblical sense) setup patches made of 2
partials, you get 16 note polyphony. Therefore a patch like that
only uses 1/2 a voice in an 8 voice machine.
Make any sense?.
Rich
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| 1300.38 | More K1 Questions | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Sun Sep 10 1989 11:56 | 27 |
|
Hello, K1 owners out there...
I am interested in knowing more about the keyboard version of this
machine. I am looking for a low-cost synth to use as MIDI controller
and SGU in my setup at home for sequencing. here are some criteria I
have, and am curious about how the K1 shapes up.
1. It must be easy to set to "local off", preferably the machine will
*remember* this across power transitions.
2. It must be able to send program changes 0-127.
3. The multi-timbral setups must allow setting of non-contiguous MIDI
channels.
4. I understand the K1 uses a wall bug, true or false?
5. Theoretically if you use only two "sources" you can get 16-voice
polyphony out of the K1. Is this reasonable, or do all the 2-source
sounds blow?
If anyone out there bought the K1 over the Yamaha DX-11, I'd like to
know why. I'm not an FM fan, but the cassette port and wide
availability of third party patches for the DX has me interested.
Brian
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| 1300.39 | well.... | HAMER::COCCOLI | guess i'm just a spudboy,looking for a real tomato | Mon Sep 11 1989 23:40 | 25 |
|
I'm a K1r owner, so I can only answer questions 3-5.
3. The multi-timbrals can be set up anyway you want. I can't imagine
a multi-timbral synth in which you have to use contiguous channels.
4. The K1r doesn't use a wall bug, so I would think the synth doesn't
either.
5. Two source sounds on the K1 using string or vocal samples are
more acceptable to the ear. Trying to emulate a piano or organ with
two sources just doesn't cut it.
I also own a Yamaha TZ81z, similar to a DX11. I don't know how
many operators a DX11 is, but the TX is 4. The difference in sound
between the K1 and TX are like apples and oranges. There is no
way you can get the K1 breathy chorals and strummed acoustic guitar
out of an 4 operator FM machine. Nor can you get that Devo sound out of
a K1.
Sure you can easily pick up a few hundred public domain FM patches,
but don't let that sway you. There are several good third party patches
available on RAM for the K1 for as little as $30. per card.
And you can backup to card, not a cassette.
Rich
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| 1300.40 | Thanks, Rich....Why I Asked | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Tue Sep 12 1989 09:45 | 27 |
|
> 3. The multi-timbrals can be set up anyway you want. I can't imagine
> a multi-timbral synth in which you have to use contiguous channels.
The reason I asked is because some synths do indeed work this way.
The Casio CZ series and the Sequential Six-tRak and MAX machines all
require contiguous channels (i.e. you set a base channel and then tell
it how many timbres you will be using, it allocates the next n-1
channels). The Roland MT-32, when used without a computer, responds
to eight contiguous channels.
> Sure you can easily pick up a few hundred public domain FM patches,
> but don't let that sway you. There are several good third party patches
> available on RAM for the K1 for as little as $30. per card.
My only concern with RAM card is archiving costs plus worrying about
losing the patches if the battery goes south. I have no problem with
tape, because I do not gig with this equipment. For home use, tape is
adequate.
I certainly agree that the K1 can do lots of sounds that FM cannot
touch and vice versa. I already have a CZ which can do a lot of FM-ish
sounds and a sample player that does the strings, choirs, woodwinds,
drums, etc. so I can cover a lot of the sounds that the K1 and DX
make already.
Brian
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| 1300.41 | More input | WJO::MASHIA | Go placidly amid the noise and haste. | Tue Sep 12 1989 11:16 | 12 |
| Brian,
I have a DX11 and a K1m. The DX11 does just about everything you want;
the only thing I'm not sure of is if it can send the entire range of
CC 0-127, but I think it can. It has four banks of 32 patches each, so I
think all those values can be transmitted. I can check tonight unless
another owner knows for sure.
BTW, my K1m *does* use a wall bug. I'm surprised the K1r doesn't. I
always thought they were the same thing in a different package.
Rodney
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| 1300.42 | huh? | MISERY::CORTOPASS_DA | | Tue Sep 12 1989 13:36 | 5 |
|
What is a 'wall bug'?
Thanx, dc
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| 1300.43 | Wall bug = external power supply | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad - boycott hell. | Tue Sep 12 1989 13:43 | 14 |
| A (somewhat derogatory) name for an external power supply - similar to
that found on a charger for a calculator, or on any Alesis product.
They're used primarily for two reasons:
1. Less problems with shielding/noise than with internal supplies,
and therefore easier to get FCC approval
2. Less expensive than internal supplies
Depending on their size, they can be quite annoying (viz, Quadraverb's
bug).
-b
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| 1300.44 | | SALSA::MOELLER | Nested assumption calls | Tue Sep 12 1989 13:44 | 7 |
| a 'wall bug' is an external AC to DC adapter. Apparently its function causes
some hard to shield electrical noise, so many many budget instruments and
especially effects units use these external wall bugs. One ongoing gripe
about these adapters is that they take up TWO plugs' worth of space on a
power strip...
karl
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| 1300.45 | UL Loves Wall Bugs | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Tue Sep 12 1989 14:25 | 15 |
|
> 1. Less problems with shielding/noise than with internal supplies,
> and therefore easier to get FCC approval
Actually it's more of an issue with UL approval. No high voltage AC in
the (synth) box means UL will approve it almost without looking at it.
Then you toss in an *already approved* wall bug supply, and voila,
you're on the market without lengthy testing.
Also you can easily use the gear in different countries just by
supplying the correct wall bug type.
Brian
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| 1300.46 | Only UL Could Love 'Em | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Tue Sep 12 1989 19:29 | 17 |
| I'd like to see more manufacturers adopt the "snake digesting dinner"
"wall bug" approach - the "bug" has a line cord, so it can plug
into an ordinary power strip and only take up one slot.
Alternatively, someone should make a power strip that can take pairs
of wall bugs "back to back". Ideally, the sockets would be polarized
and properly oriented (i.e., one of them flipped around 180 degrees)
so both bugs could have the same ground; as Edd Cote pointed out
to me, the standard two socket outlet orients both sockets the same
way. I'm not sure this really makes a difference, as I've yet to see
a wall bug with a polarized plug. Anyway, such a power strip would
probably have two rows of sockets. Or, it could have one row with
the sockets rotated 90 degrees from the usual orientation, but this
again requires a nonstandard socket (or a single socket outlet).
len.
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| 1300.47 | Things Are Looking Grim | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Tue Sep 12 1989 23:25 | 14 |
|
Got a couple of answers to my questions in case anyone is curious 8^)
1. Program change: Transmits 0-95 only (ugh)
2. Local off only in multi mode by setting all timbres to midi only
(options are keys/midi/both).
3. The K1 definitely uses a wall bug.
EUW gave me a price of $795, that seems a bit high....comments?
Brian
Pretty_disappointed_with_it
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| 1300.48 | sevenWHAT!! | HAMER::COCCOLI | | Wed Sep 13 1989 18:01 | 9 |
|
Correction...The K1r does use a wall bug. It's been a while
since I've visited the back of the rack, but you people got me
wondering.
As for that price, when I purchased the K1r (for $430), the
K1 was going for approx $550. This was mail order from Caruso.
Rich
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| 1300.49 | Prices On The Rise? | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Wed Sep 13 1989 20:33 | 12 |
|
Sam Ash, on 9/13/89 quoted $700 for the K1, $849 for the K1-II and
$399 "special" on the K1r.
As for the DX-11, most dealers are out of stock and it's been
discontinued (Kurlan's in Worcester, MA has a "couple" at $700).
This leaves the K1 as the only under-$1000 synth with aftertouch still
in production. I'm in no rush to buy so I will probably shop the
want-ads.
Brian
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| 1300.50 | K1 II --YES!!! | HSOMAI::RENTERIA | | Wed Sep 20 1989 14:11 | 22 |
|
I'm a beginner, never really looked much into synthesizers before.
A friend of mine bought a Korg M-1 last Christmas, and it blew my mind.
Since then, I started playing keyboard (an old Siel, sounded like an
electric organ) in my current band.
Two weeks ago, I bought a Kawai K1 II, and I *LOVE* it. Can
someone tell me what the differences are between the K1 and K1 II?
I have deduced that the drum sounds are much better, but I already
own a Roland TR505.
Are people still buying the K1? I was told it was no longer
being made, that the K1 II was it. Of course, he was trying to sell
it to me...
Thanks,
Anita
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| 1300.51 | A K1 II is essentially a K1 | KALLON::EIRIKUR | Hallgr�msson, ACA and CDA Prod. Mgr. | Wed Sep 20 1989 15:56 | 14 |
| <<< Note 1300.50 by HSOMAI::RENTERIA >>>
-< K1 II --YES!!! >-
Hi, Anita! I think that a K1 II is a K1 with the addition of the special
drum channel and some digital delay lines. I don't think the samples are
different. I've got drum sounds; I'm contemplating the K1R for my rack, to
get the spacious, airy sounds. If you have reverb and drums already, I don't
think there is much gain in a K1 II over the K1. But, the one-thing-to-lug
advantage must be great in your application!
Someday, that Siel keyboard will be as distinctive as a Farfisa is today :-)
Eirikur
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| 1300.52 | minor nit... | WJO::MASHIA | Go placidly amid the noise and haste. | Wed Sep 20 1989 16:30 | 6 |
| I think the "digital delay" line is really on-board digital reverb.
And the advantage of the "special drum channel" is that using the drums
doesn't subtract from the polyphony, i.e., the number of notes playable
at the same time.
Rodney
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| 1300.53 | Patches and programming suggestions needed! | DDIF::EIRIKUR | ACA/S & CDA Product Mgr. | Thu Oct 05 1989 01:54 | 41 |
| Help! My K1R sounds like an organ (well, maybe a little better).
Well, I sprung for a K1R from Sam Ash. $400.00 I wanted the airy, spacey
sounds. First impression:"Send it back or sell it!" I auditioned units in
local stores (where I have made purchases!) and liked the sounds there. In the
quiet of my own home, the sounds seem very similar (I'll get to why), and the
multi-patches all have weird splits (seemingly required by the
non-multi-sampled samples). I can hear the built-in noise gate just about all
the time.
There are only SIX looped samples, only four of which are usable for sustained
sounds, and only one of which is used very often in the factory patches.
That's the Vocal Loop sample. All of the airy patches use the Shakuhachi Loop,
which has essentially no energy at the fundamental pitch. The rising/falling
motion in the airy quality is given by (get this!) dedicating the one LFO to
ultra-slow ultra-wide vibrato on this airy loop.
Good things: It's a great general purpose keyboard, there are lots of pretty
good keyboard-type sounds that are easy to get. Interesting sounds seem to be
hard, witness the reports from the Usenet in prior responses (I have just
reread them). There's a lot of potential for sound effects and "industrial
music" sounds here. The looped forward/reverse percussion is pretty neat.
So, I need some programming ideas, or some patches. Otherwise I don't think
I'll keep this thing very long. This is sometimes a phase I go through--I
hated my Matrix-1000 for the first few days, but now I am seriously questioning
if the K1R has the potential to do much more than the factory sounds.
Eirikur
<<< Note 1300.52 by WJO::MASHIA "Go placidly amid the noise and haste." >>>
-< minor nit... >-
I think the "digital delay" line is really on-board digital reverb.
And the advantage of the "special drum channel" is that using the drums
doesn't subtract from the polyphony, i.e., the number of notes playable
at the same time.
Rodney
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| 1300.54 | | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Thu Oct 05 1989 09:40 | 14 |
|
Re: .53
Then I'm not crazy! I got my first chance to hack on a K1 a couple of
weeks ago (yeah, I'm permanently behind the times) and was really
disappointed at the variety of sounds in the factory presets. In
particular, why were there something like *four* train sounds?
I also tried two Voice Crystal RAM cards that were in the store and
they weren't a whole lot better. Is the K1 really usable as a primary
SGU or is it really only good for a limited range of patch colors?
Brian
whose_respect_for_his_CZ_is_growing
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| 1300.55 | | ALEX::CONN | Alex Conn, ZKO | Thu Oct 05 1989 11:03 | 12 |
| This ain't gonna help: I also auditioned a K1 in the store for a
couple of hours. My impressions were the same as yours. Nobody
in the store could show me anything that was not underwhelming.
I had assumed it was just our joint ignorance.
On the other hand, I had *no* trouble finding Roland patches on various
Roland equipment that blew my socks off. And on the Casio I am still
creating patches at midnight that haunt me all night.
So at the least, Kawai has a user interface problem.
Alex
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| 1300.56 | "SEAL THE DOORS!!!" | MUSKIE::ALLEN | | Fri Oct 06 1989 11:55 | 38 |
| re Last few
BONNNNGGGGG ! ! ! !
YOU HAVE STIRRED THE ANGER OF THE RESIDENT KAWAI BIGOT!!!
Seriously, I must agree that KAWAI does not always put the best
selection of patches into their machines (from the factory). I
auditioned the K1 and expected to hear great things because I was
a big fan of my K5 (which BTW also tended to "grow" on you).
Even after repeated listening, I couldn't find much in the factory
sounds past the "HOONNNNNDDDAAaaaaaa...."-type breathies. And at
the time KAWAI had not yet added the drums. So, I ended up with
the ROLAND D110 which has turned out to be a real good unit.
However, I couldn't help identifying with Alex's comment about "units
not sounding like much at first, but then sounding better as you
get to know them" (well... you said something like that:-)). KAWAI's
K5 was boring as hell in the store, and I suspect that is a major
reason the machine didn't do so well. But after you spent some
time using it and reviewing the >1200 patches KAWAI gives you for
FREE, well, the K5 really sounds a lot better, a LOT better. There
are loads of very usable patches in there, but more importantly,
loads of good ideas for your own patches. I suspect that if you
give the K1r just a little more time, you may find there is more
there.
Finally, on the subject of "user interfaces", I don't think you
will find a better user interface than those on KAWAI's Drum Machines
or on the K5/K5m. In the case of the K5, we're talking graphical
interfaces here kids! I don't know about the K1; as I recall it
wasn't as elaborate, but I would think you could still get stuff
done.
Clusters,
Bill Allen
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| 1300.57 | get a card! | HAMER::COCCOLI | eat the homeless | Fri Oct 06 1989 17:57 | 9 |
|
I have a MasteRam 64 (volume II) card from Synthetic Productions
(approx.$30) which has some very usable piano, strings, mellotron,
analogish swells,GREAT trumpets as well as some really **weird**
stuff. Blows the presets awaaaay.
Rich
|
| 1300.58 | K1 patch library? | VIDEO::ORSHAW | Associate FTSG membership pending..... | Mon Oct 16 1989 15:46 | 9 |
| I saw some talk a while back about a K1 patch library. Did this ever
come into being? Does anyone have any interesting patches they would
like to share? I just got my K1m to talk to my Atari so now I'm looking
to get new patches in there. At the very least, I would like to get the
factory presets. They seem to be gone in my unit (bought used). Any
help out there?
Thanks
Jim
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| 1300.59 | Now that I have patches, I like my K1R a lot. | KALLON::EIRIKUR | The best of tines, the worst of tines | Thu Dec 21 1989 15:40 | 31 |
| Well, it's time for me to retract some of the negative things I said about the
K1 in .53. I've spent some more time with my K1R, and have grown to rather
like the sounds. I purchased the OpCode Systems librarian program for the Mac,
and it came with files containing *all* of the patches released by Kawai. I
particularly love the MoonRaker patch which is a pad that would be hard to
describe--murky and sizzling at the same time.
I also bought the set of "CyberPunk" sounds from Chris Meyer, who briefly had
an ad in Keyboard. I got a number of good things from that. I bought the
"Platinum Collection" from some major source of patches--wasn't impressed with
any of those, really.
I find myself using MoonRaker, PC Orchestra, and Metal Keys from the Kawai
stuff, and Shady Mood and Taut Humm (with my own edits) from Chris Meyer's
patches. I also like "Lonely Marsh" or something like that from Meyer's stuff.
What the K1 really needs is the ability to set loop points (and entry/exit
points) anywhere in sample memory, and more LFOs. This single LFO for the
whole machine bit is just not competitive any more.
Anyway, what with the K4 around, prices will be coming down further most
likely. I paid $399.00 from Sam Ash this past summer, and I'm happy. I didn't
find the K4 to be significantly superior in an in-store comparison. Strange,
since it suposedly has more bits/sample, and multi-samples, and filters. Listen
for yourself.
Eirikur
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| 1300.60 | ditto on the K4 | GLOWS::COCCOLI | monitoring reality....... | Thu Dec 21 1989 17:16 | 6 |
|
I too found the K4 dissapointing. Couldn't tell the K1/K4 difference!.
Also very limited effects on the K4. Certainly not worth the extra
bucks!. Rich
|
| 1300.61 | KL-1 Synth $695 List | AQUA::ROST | Bikini Girls With Machine Guns | Wed Mar 21 1990 08:52 | 17 |
|
Well, it's been 2 years since the K1 came out, so now Kawai has a new
synth coming out, the KL-1 (where do they get these numbers?).
From terse reports from NAMM, it's 16 bit (vs. the 8 bit K1), 14 voice
(have they been talking to Roland or something?), on board drums and
rhythm patterns.
The big deal? List is $695 for the keyboard, $395 for the module.
Sounds like Kawai is staking out the low end which has been abandoned
by Korg (the M1 is now their cheapest board!) and Casio.
I doubt many MIDI veterans will be too interested but at those prices
it may become the new entry machine of choice.
Brian
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| 1300.62 | KL-1 May Be Vaporware | AQUA::ROST | Bad imitation of Jerry Jemmott | Tue Apr 24 1990 08:37 | 8 |
|
Talking to a dealer yesterday who saw the KL-1 at NAMM.
Apparently it was a non-working proto under glass....don't hold your
breath. Maybe we'll see it by the fall.
Brian
|
| 1300.63 | Hmmm... | WJOUSM::MASHIA | | Tue Apr 24 1990 12:58 | 3 |
| I knew it sounded too good to be true...
Rodney
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| 1300.64 | KL-1 = KC-10 | AQUA::ROST | I'll do anything for money | Tue Jun 19 1990 17:42 | 6 |
|
I talked to Kawai in CA and the KL-1 is now to be called the KC-10,
delivery expected in Sept. The list price "has not been set". The
K1-II and K1R will remain in production "for awhile".
Brian
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| 1300.65 | Still Vaporware, But.... | AQUA::ROST | Mahavishnu versus Motormouth | Wed Sep 05 1990 08:53 | 11 |
| Update on the KC-10:
It's dubbed the "Spectra". Fourteen voice polyphony is compromised by
the fact that four voices are reserved for the onboard drums. A stereo
chorus is included (presumably, then, no other FX). List is still
promised at $695, but a module version is no longer being mentioned.
An arpeggiator is included.
Sounds like they are planning to take on the D-5 with this.
Brian
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| 1300.66 | Sick K1-II! HELP! | HSOMAI::RENTERIA | | Wed Sep 05 1990 18:41 | 62 |
|
This may be changing the subject somewhat, but I'm having a
problem with my year-old K1-II. I am wondering if anyone out there
has had similar trouble, or can give me some trouble-shooting ideas.
Last weekend, we were setting up for a gig. At sound check (Friday for
a two day out of town gig), the Kawai freaked. I turned it on.
Usually it does an identifying prompt, and then defaults to patch
SIA-1, which is supposed to be "Hello!". Instead, I saw (for the first
time in my life) "Single K1" I tried in utter amazement to move to
another patch by hitting the A,B,C,D and 1-8 keys, but it was frozen on
that patch. I turned it off and back on again, and found that about
half of my patches were now "Single K1" or "Multi K1". I had no cards
with me (I know, I know), so I spent the next hour and a half figuring
what was left that I could substitute. During this time, I realized
that some Multi patches, while still named correctly on the display,
sounded horrible. That is, anything that used any of the now "Single
K1" sounds was affected.
After limping through that gig, I went back to Houston Saturday and
went to the place I bought it. It was still under warranty (by a
week), but the repairman doesn't work on weekends, of course. We
searched frantically for a factory patch card, and found one that was
close, but still had three patches showing as "Single K1". I was able
to load it successfully, and play the gig 99% unchanged.
On Monday, the repairman said that he was sure it was a battery
problem. I was worried (still am) that the card actually did have all
the patches on it, but my keyboard just wasn't accepting them. He
replaced the battery, and we reloaded the incomplete factory patch
card. He is ordering a new one for me...I tried several places around
town and could find none for sale.
We were scheduled to go into the studio this week, and NEEDED the
Kawai. As I was searching for a substitute patch for one that was
missing, I found one we decided to use. It was a Multipatch with the
correct name assigned to it. The next day, that patch still read the
correct name, but sounded terrible. Yup, there it was in the breakout:
"Single K1".
What's happening to my keyboard? I'd almost say it was a software
problem if I didn't know better. Has anyone encountered anything
remotely similar?
As it stands today, the repairman is contacting Kawai for
suggestions, but he thinks it will require replacing the circuit board.
After some time in the field, is this a known problem with the K1-II?
Any of the K*'s?
Any comments would be appreciated.
Anita (Sad, and missing her healthy keyboard)
P.S. Hi Eirikur!
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| 1300.67 | I haven't heard of this being a problem | RANGER::EIRIKUR | Eir�kur Hallgr�msson | Fri Sep 07 1990 14:37 | 26 |
| It does sound like a battery problem. I haven't seen this with my K1R
(which spends most of it's life powered-off), and I haven't heard of
any similar problems on the Usenet.
I haven't had my K1R open, but I expect that the battery is
soldered-in, making it a not-user-servicable item, unless you or a
friend are handy and confident with a soldering iron and high-density
pc boards.
If it is the battery, the memory-loss should be a recurring problem.
The other possibility is that you somehow caused a reinitialization
to take place, either by powering it on with some magic key combination
(I don't know any for the K1) held down, or via static or somesuch. If
it doesn't lose memory again within the next week or so, you are
probably ok there. If it was static or getting dropped "just right"
that caused the problem, it probably won't happen very often, and a
factory patch card would always bail you out.
If you have the battery replaced, it should not be very expensive. No
more than $10.00 for the battery (and that's generous) and an hour to
do the work.
Eirikur
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| 1300.68 | Prognosis is good... | HSOMAI::RENTERIA | | Wed Sep 12 1990 17:49 | 10 |
|
Well, as of yesterday, Kawai has agreed to send another circuit
board to replace mine. That operation should take place next week.
If that don't fix it, I don't know what will!!
I am also picking up a factory card this week...
Anita
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| 1300.69 | new k1 offspring? | GLOWS::COCCOLI | still monitoring reality | Tue Feb 12 1991 22:42 | 6 |
|
Anyone have any information on the new Kawai Spectra?.
RichC
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| 1300.70 | Seen But Not Heard | AQUA::ROST | In search of the lost biscuit drop | Wed Feb 13 1991 07:43 | 17 |
| I've seen but not heard it. It's official model number is KC-10 (see
earlier replies). Apparently the module version died at birth, the local
MA dealers don't have it.
It's really small, almost all keys. You can run it on batteries as
well as the usual wall bug. There are lugs to put a strap on it.
It has a pull-out card attached to the bottom of the unit that lists
programming parameters, which looked like a subset of the K1's
parameters. The only on board FX is a stereo chorus.
On price alone, it's worth beginners taking a look at it.
Brian
P.S. If sufficient replies start up about the Spectra, maybe we should
start a new note on it.
|
| 1300.71 | | IGETIT::BROWNM | SpacebassmanBrown | Wed Feb 13 1991 10:46 | 6 |
| I was told it's only 5 part multitimbral.
matty
ps. Kawai means `cute' in Japanese! :-)
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| 1300.72 | worth checking out | ISLNDS::MASHIA | Let us fly on wings of song | Wed Feb 13 1991 16:43 | 9 |
| I heard it a few months ago at the Music Workshop in Salem, NH.
I listened to the demo and a few of the patches. I don't remember
being particularly impressed, but it wasn't the best aural environment
(a Steve Vai wannabe kept jamming with the demo, only at twice the
volume of the demo). It *did* sound better than the K1, to my ears.
I do remember thinking it was a good value, especially for a beginner.
Rodney, former midiot
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| 1300.73 | not worth a new topic... | GLOWS::COCCOLI | still monitoring reality | Wed Feb 13 1991 18:24 | 17 |
|
re .70-.72
BTW, what was the price?.
The reason I'm interested is I'm in the process of selling the
K!r and getting something similar sounding (stringwise) but with
at least a 61 note keyboard that is velocity sensitive. A regular
K1 might do the trick, or this Spectra thingie.
As far as the 5 part multi-timbrality goes, I don't usually use
all 8 parts on the K1 anyway, since I always have about 5 parts
going on the D110..
Thanks...RichC
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| 1300.74 | Atari ST Patch Librarian Posted To Net | RGB::ROST | Felix Pappalardi in a previous life | Tue Dec 10 1991 14:46 | 7 |
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I have deposited a K1 patch librarian for the Atari ST to MIDILIB. As
I am not a K1 user, I can't vouch for it.
The file is K1LIB10.ARC.
Brian
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| 1300.75 | Great personal_name, Brian! | PENUTS::HNELSON | Hoyt 275-3407 C/RDB/SQL/X/Motif | Tue Dec 10 1991 14:55 | 1 |
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| 1300.76 | new home | MIDI::DAN | Dan Gosselin, Bookreader development | Wed Dec 11 1991 08:29 | 7 |
| The patch librarian is now in:
MIDI::A$:[MIDILIB.PATCHES.K1]K1LIB10.ARC
I haven't tested it either.
-Dan
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