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    There's a DX (actually a Y-word in general) BBS in Vermont, it was
    posted earlier in this conference. Look under keyword DX?

    I got the usenet DX patches.  They are among the best I have heard,
    especially the 7 PPG imitations.
    
    These things are most easily decoded if you have a unix system handy,
    which you proably don't, so I will upload a .ARC of the bulk dumps, ok?
    
    Are you sick of the patches that you got from me?  (By the way,
    those came from a BBS, but I forget where).
    
    Steph
    
    

RE: .2

    Great - thanks for the .ARCs.  Let me know where I can find them. 

    As a matter of fact, I am NOT sick of the patches you gave me. There
    are quite a few duplicates, though, and a few of the banks were hosed
    (TECO is a wonderful tool).  I'm just trying to increase my library of
    sounds.  Or maybe I'm just plain greedy. (Nawwww...) 

    This may be a dumb question, but would it be a good idea to have a
    patch repository on our net somewhere - viz, have a dir/subdirs for
    bulk dumps of DX, ESQ, JX, etc. patches and the like?  Would anyone use
    it?

-b

    
    Re: .3
    
    
    Note 295 is already full of quite a few CZ patches.  I busily scarfed
    them up after I got ahold of a CZ.
    
    There are some other notes here on patches, but I notice not too
    many patches are entered....
    
    BTW, USENET is starting an offshoot of rec.music.synth which will
    be nothing but patch dumps for synths of all kinds. (Most of the
    USENET patch traffic is for the DX and CZ families)
    

    re -.1
    
    No just yet, folks.
    
    USEnet is in the process of collecting votes on whether to establish
    new subdivisions of special interest. No tallies in yet as I
    understand.
    
    dp
    

RE: .4

    I wasn't meaning another note with textual representations of patches.
    I have a whole bunch of those for the ESQ, and punching in numbers is
    quite tedious, especially if you're trying to load a whole 40-patch
    bank. 

    What I'm referring to is a patch repository (kinda like software is
    available on the EZnet) that will contain MACHINE readable SYSEX dumps
    of patches.  These dumps would be loadable by a MIDI SYSEX librarian
    program.

    Is it worthwhile (or even legal)?

-b

    I think restricting it to machine readable form would severely limit
    the amount of people for whom it was useful.
    
    I think instead it's better to pick ONE person for each synth and
    have him act as librarian for that synth.  His job is to collect
    patches that folks send him, and send out tapes with all collected
    patches.
    
    I've already been doing this for the ESQ (I have about 220 patches),
    but I'd like to see far more people participating in it.  So far,
    I've only actually received new patches from 2 people, although
    I've sent the patches I have out to about 4 other folks.
    
    	db

    BTW, it's legal provided you don't distribute or publish proprietary
    patches - i.e. you can't publish patches that you bought like
    Voice Crystal et. al.
    
    	db

    You have 220 ESQ patches, and you never told me!?!?!
    	
    I take it they are on cassette?
    	 
    -----------------------------------
    
    There's an ARPAnet mailing list for ESQ patches and info.  It used
    to have quite a few neat patches on it, but activity has died down
    quite a bit.
    
    -Bill

    Blah on textual format patches.
    
    What would you really do with 3000 patches on paper?  You can't
    tell which ones are good by eye.
    
    The only way to distribute these things effectively is to either
    get a computer, or buddy up with somebody who has one.  Cassettes
    are ok, too, but computers are orders of magnitude better.  Ask
    Brad, or Paul...
    
    If you want textual versions of these, patches, Tom Rataski said he had
    written a formatting program for DX7 patches.  There is a pointer
    somewhere in this file. 
    
    In any case, the usenet patches in .ARC format are on:
    
           BOLT""::USEDX7.ARC
    
    Steph

    Bob,
    
    Send me yours (patches) and I'll send you mine?
    
>   and you never told me?!?!?
    
    I've mentioned this at least 6 times in here and I've posted it
    in the ESQ topic.
    
    I want *ALL* those arpanet patches.  I do get something from the
    arpanet about the ESQ-1 but I've gotten very few patches and few
    of those were very interesting in my opinion.
    
    Unfortunately, the cassette tape I have is not organized very
    intelligently.  One of these days if I ever get a patch librarian
    I'll organize those patches into banks according to catagories
    (strings, brass, organ, piano, efx, synth, etc.)
    
    	db

RE: SYSEX vs. paper

    I, like Steph, also *strongly* prefer SYSEX to paper.  However, I
    realize that some people may not have SYSEX capabilties.  In that
    instance, perhaps someone who does would be willing to make a cassette
    tape?

    After having to play a bit with some of the DX patch banks to make sure
    they were not corrupt, it would seem to me that it wouldn't be too hard
    to write a "make paper copy" program if there was enough interest.

    As it stands right now, I have close to 3000 patches accumulated for
    the DX7.  This is a GREAT resource, especially if you don't have lots
    of time (like we all don't) for writing or munging patches.  It would
    be just as nice to have that many choices for the ESQ or D50 or 81z or
    [fill in the blank].  I am willing to act as a repository for patches
    for ANY synth, since I seem to have run across some extra disk space. 

    I'll ask again:

	How many people would be interested in contributing?
	How many people would utilize such a resource were it available?

-b

    I'd use it (TZ, CZ), but I've only done a couple of patches from
    scratch.  I usually just twiddle with existing patches, so my
    contributions wouldn't amount to much.
    
    Steve

    I would certainly access any and all available patches for my current
    synths (whatever they are at the time...).
    
    	- Rick
    

    Re:  .0
    
    Brad - If you ever see DX7 patches come over USENET in that format
    that looks like junk, you can unpack it by using UUDECODE and then
    decompress by using LZDCMP (If anybody needs them I can supply UUDECODE
    and LZCMP/DCMP is in the toolshed).
    
    Re: .10 I had to move the DX7 dump formatter. If anybody wants it
    send me mail.
    
    In general... You want a BBS, I'll give you a BBS. (216) 867-1482.
    Thats my �VAX. It has a BBS running on it. There are no patches
    accessable from the BBS - Yet! If you folks are interested I will
    set up an area for Uploading/Downloading patches and let you have
    fun (me too). Just send me a private message when logged on telling
    me who you are, and I will authorize you to leave messages.
    
    Specifics.... 300/1200 baud 8-noparity
    		  Up 24hrs/day
     		  Phone - (216) 867-1482  (Thats Akron,Ohio)
                  Username: BBS  NoPassword - Captive account
    
    BTW - I don't much of a chance to reply here anymore since I'm not
    in the office much. I read all of my  notebook by batch extracts
    so my replies here will not be timely.

    
    ER
    
    Quick vote for Stephs bulk dump utility. We have manged to generate
    a large number of different DX7 patches and freely swap them over
    the net. 
    
    Incidently I had on loan the DX-TX editor/libration from
    Steinberg which is the original source for those PPG patches. The
    concept and implemetation of this piece of software seems to be
    worth the investment, which is a little exccesive, in the way it 
    holds the library in voice types rather than banks. However, 
    how many different Rhodes pathces can one person use. !                                 
                                          
                                          Paul.
    

    Boring Bass Synths.......  Bonny Beaty Sounds.... Beatiful Beautiful
    Silence.....
    
    Just what is a BBS??
    
    Puzzled 

    Well, I now have somewhere around 5000 patches for the DX.  These are
    in 32-patch SYSEX dumps, and probably 5-10% are duplicated thruout the
    dumps.  Most of these are on my ST at home, although I am willing to
    dump them to one of my subdirs on our VAX here. 

    If anyone is interested in getting any of these dumps, feel free to
    send mail ... and of course, if anyone would like to contribute to the
    library, I would be more than happy to add them in.

    I'll be generating directory listings of these libraries soon.

-b

    The following MIDI stuff is available on my home node.  All software is
    intended for use on the Atari ST.  If there are any problems accessing
    things, let me know. 

    Many thanks to Steph Bailey for a great deal of the DX patches.

DX7:
    LOTS of duplication occurs among DX7 banks.  Each subdir has a list
    file which lists patches by bank.  If a patch appears in multiple
    banks, only one bank is listed.  Patches are sorted alphbetically. 

ESQ:
    ESQ & SQ80 banks were made using ESQuizit - a generic SYSEX dumper
    program probably will not work properly with the dumps.  Fortunately,
    the thing is quite intuitive, and very bug free. 

    Directory structure is as follows:

	DYO780::DBC0:[SCHAFER.PUBLIC]

	  [.ARC] - DX100 librarian (non-GEM)
		   ARCed patches of DX7_C and USENET (below)

	  [.ESQ] - patches: 700+ ESQ-1, 200+ SQ80
		   ESQuizit PD Librarian (non-GEM, but very nice)

	  [.DX7]
	    [.DX7_A]  - DX7 patches, directory in 1_PATCH_DIRECTORY.LIS
	    [.DX7_B]  - ditto
	    [.DX7_C]  - ditto
	    [.USENET] - ditto
	    [.UTIL]   - DCL hacks for directories of DX SYSEX dump

-b

    There is a BBS in the Boston Area supported by Syntronics. The
    number is 266-5076. I haven't tried it, but I was in the store and
    the owner showed me the setup. It's got a 20 MEG hard drive and
    looks as though it should be pretty cool. I figure I'll try it soon,
    and post what I find here.
    						John.

   MIDI stuff has been moved.  Now at DYO780::DISK$USER05:[SCHAFER.PUBLIC...].

   ESQ patches in [.ESQ].

   DX patches/dir listings in [.DX7] (dx7_a, dx7_b, dx7_c, usenet, ukpatch). 

   Please send mail if you decide to grab something.  Thanks.

-b

    This is probably a stupid question...but how do you use a BBS to
    get patches? I have a VT102 terminal at home with a 2400/1200 baud
    modem. I also have an IBM PC clone (a Compaq actually) with a 300
    baud modem. But I've never tried to access a BBS, and really have no
    idea how to use these to access and download patches or any other 
    information/data/programs etc.  Can anyone
    enter a quick "how-to" or a generic-type procedure for me? There
    is a whole new world waiting for me out there, and I have the tools
    but I don't know how to use them. Help!
    
    Mike D  

    First thing you need to do is get a terminal emulator for the clone so
    you can use your 2400 baud modem.  Next you'll need Kermit and
    Xmodem/Ymodem packages (if the T/E doesn't already have those protocols
    built in). 

    When you dial into a BBS, you usually get a "hello and sign on"
    message.  If you're a new user, the board will instruct you as to what
    to do (usually enter "NEW", "0" or press RETURN for a new user
    account).  You'll then be prompted for personal information (name,
    address, maybe a phone number).  After that, you'll have marginal
    access to the BBS for the remainder of your session.  At some later
    time (usually within 24 hrs) you'll be given full(er) access to the
    BBS. 

    With most BBS systems, you'll have quota limits.  In other words, you
    can only be logged in for, say, 45 minutes at a time, or can only
    download 5 files per day, or similar restrictions.  This is why the
    2400 baud modem is important.  You want to be able to get as much data
    as possible per session. 

    As for screen formatting and what not, don't be too worried.  Most BBS
    systems can handle a variety of terminal types, and all can handle
    'hardcopy' mode.  Again, the important things are:

	a) terminal emulator for the clone
	b) Kermit and/or Xmodem and/or Ymodem for the clone
    	c) clone ability to use 2400 baud modem

    Did I miss anything?  Good luck, Mike.

-b

    
    And don't forget....high enough quality phone line to handle 2400
    baud without dropping out. You'll have to find that out by simply
    trying it. Some towns (like mine 8^( ) have antique systems that
    can only take 1200 baud error free.
    
    CdH
    

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    I hope I explain this properly, not being a real computer techy,
    but here goes:
    There is a new MIDI BBS opening up in Toronto that will have lots
    of PD stuff on it. There are not many members yet but its growing,
    through the use of press releases etc. I am helping the guy set
    it up under the umbrella of the A.E.S. (Audio Engineers Society)
    and he asked me to publicize it a little. For those of you who
    understand this stuff, it uses the MAGPIE BBS system running under
    Xenix on a 286 machine and it can be accessed (heres the bit I dont
    understand) through UUCP at the address dciem!sndnet!paul.
    
    If anyone needs more info please send mail.
    
    Now for a question, he has loads of MAC PD s/w that he wants to
    get on, but doesnt have a MAC to use. Does anyone know of a utility
    that will enable him to read MAC formatted disks. He already has
    one for DOS 3 1/2 in disks so he thinks it may be possible..any
    suggestions?
    
    Any help would be appreciated.
    
    KEn
    

    There are lots of utilities around to read various formats of
    diskettes; however, I suspect that the best bet would be to find
    someone with a MAC and use either the net or KERMIT to xfer files. 

    Oh - in case you're wondering about the move, topic 4 is intended for
    *conferences*, rather than BBS systems.  Thanks anyway for the posting.
    8-) 

-b

    Thanks Brad, I suspect you're right, trouble is *I'M* the one with
    the MAC. I can see many happy hours in front of the computer NOT
    MAKING MUSIC!!
    If you know of a specific utility I'd be grateful fora pointer ->
    
    (I guess I should have done a DIR/TITLE=BBS), told you I wasnt too
    familiar with this computer stuff.
    
    Ken
    

    You may want to post your question in the MACINTOSH conference; someone
    there ought to be able to help you out.  (Look in topic 4 for a
    pointer.) 

    And don't worry about the moved note.  It's no big deal.

-b

Is anyone arciving TX81z patches anywhere on the net?  I've got this great
new box, and am looking for more patches to play with!  I'm also interested
in Kawai K1 patches if anyone is collecting those...

Regarding BBS systems, have any of you tried out IEMUG BBS systems yet?
I've just discovered them, but haven't yet joined.  They SEEM to have
loads of good patches, librarians, sequencers, MIDIFILE sequences, etc.
But the catch is you don't get to access the files until you pay the
$29.00 to join.

If anyone wants to try them out, the headquarters BBS is:

	Midwest Midi  (405) 733-3102

	- Greg

    What kind of computer do you have to access them, and what software?

    I have three very hot banks that I picked up at a music store, but
    they're in Omni-BankerST format (read: not pure SYSEX).

    Dan Eaton bought some patches from somewhere, and reviewed them a while
    back under a patch or TX topic ... I've heard them, and was quite
    impressed.  DIR/TITLE=, SHOW KEYWORD TX or PATCH, or check out the
    directory topics (2.*).

-b

I am using a DFI 386 and a Compaq SLT286.  I have not purchased an
Editor/librarian yet, although I am currently in the market for one.
There were some TZ patches in here, I'll try those out, but I was
looking for the kind you don't have to type in (SYSEX).  I'm really
lazy when it comes to manually entering patch data!!

Thanks for the pointers...

	Greg

p.s.  I've been getting by with the librarian in Personal Composer...

I've got about 3 dozen banks of patches for the TX81z and a not so hot 
librarian that I downloaded from Compuserve. Some pretty good stuff in some of 
the files. Some time after the Newport festival this weekend, I'll upload 
them and post the location.

Geoff

    Anyone know of a BBS in the Nashua, NH area?  How about a Public Domain
    Patch Librarian for the MT-32?
    
    Thanks,
    		Steve

    Don't know about BBS systems in the NE, but I know where you can
    get a PD librarian/editor.  Look in MIDILIB, specifically:

	DYO780::DISK$USER05:[midilib.tools.ibm.m32edlib]

    Or see note 17 (or keyword MIDILIB/FULL) for more info

-b

    Thanks, Brad - I've already tried that one.  Per the documentation,
    it's definitely got some bugs.  I could get it to run, but as soon as I
    asked it to do anything useful, it hung my system.  I tried everything
    from unloading virtually everything from memory, to trying to trace it
    with a debugger.  Every time, <<<<zzzzappp>>>>.  Press the re-boot
    button, and start over.
    
    	Steve

    Humph.  Another piece of usenet trash.  Well, if anyone has any
    shareware that they'd like to post to MIDILIB, feel free.  It seems
    that several of the things that I have in there (MT32lib, old D50
    patches before Bill Karl got good ones) have been corrupt. 

    Usually only the things I've had no need to use.  8-( 

-b

    Brad, I donno if I'd be willing to call it "trash" yet...  It had a
    nice display, and it "seemed" to function...  Only I suppose I should
    tell you that my machine, while "advertized" as being 100% IBM
    compatible, *may not be*...
    
    I don't understand all the very-low-level bit-type stuff in a machine,
    but I have been warned from semi reliable sources and rumors that "100%
    compatible" doesn't always mean bit-for-bit, wire-for-wire...
    
    Anyway, to be specific about my bug problem... Yes, it hung my system -
    usually after sending *something* to the MT, because the MT's display
    DID CHANGE.  When I went back a second time to try the change, that's
    when my machine lost it's mind.
    
    So the moral is, One man's trash is another man's treasure...  I
    guess...
    
    The software I am writing "will be" 100% compatible, however... ;-)
    
    	Steve

	I uploaded the MT32 patch editor/librarian and left notes in the
	MT32 topic that it didn't work for me but that I wasn't sure why
	not...  I ran it on a Compaq portable; it didn't crash the
	Compaq, and the patch name I downloaded to the MT32 was displayed
	on it's front panel, but the MT32 wouldn't make a sound.  In
	fact, the little green MIDI light on the front didn't even
	acknowledge MIDI traffic after that.  I think we ought to blow it
	out of the library if nobody can make it work... 

    I don't know if this is a possibility here, but I had a problem
    where after I did a patch dump everything froze up. The problem
    was that it wasn't enough to have MIDI out from the PC to the
    SGU, you had to have a MIDI cable from the OUT of the SGU back to
    the PC to let the Librarian know that the dump was complete
    or whatever it needed to know.

    Bill

>    I don't know if this is a possibility here, but I had a problem
>    where after I did a patch dump everything froze up. The problem
>    was that it wasn't enough to have MIDI out from the PC to the
>    SGU, you had to have a MIDI cable from the OUT of the SGU back to
>    the PC to let the Librarian know that the dump was complete
>    or whatever it needed to know.

	Thanks, Bill, that's definitely a possible source for my frustration
	with this thing.  Have you used this software?  Successfully?

	John SWAV1::Stewart

    John,
    
    I haven't used this - I had this problem with the ESQ librarian
    out in MIDILIB for IBM and compatibles (ESQBANK I think).
    
    The only way I could start everything up again without powering
    down was to run Personal Composer and tell it to play something
    that I had on disk. It must send out some message that the SGUs
    needed to start up again. I didn't have the problem anymore once
    I had a MIDI return cable from the ESQ-M to the PC.
    
    Good luck - hope this works!

    Bill

	Thanks for the tip!  I'll try it next time I can squeeze some
	time in the studio into my day... 

    SAVE THE EDITOR!  Don't BLOW it away!!  It works!  It works!! (now if I
    can figure out what the patch MAPPER does...)
    
    Over the weekend, I succeeded in making the MTTED portion of the patch
    editor .arc file work!
    
    Yes, I needed two cables, one in to out and one out to in, but that
    wasn't my problem...  I don't know what it was, but IT WORKS!!
    
    I managed to decypher enough of the MIDI implementation manual to get a
    dump of any of the 128 built-in timbres on any of the channels.  Then,
    just for kicks, I PROGRAMMED the numbers I got from the dump into the
    MTTED Patch Librarian, and sent them BACK down to the MT-32.  Guess
    what!  I now have my very own FUNNY VOX and BIRD TWEET on file, that I
    can play with to my heart's content.  I chose these because they were
    weird enough to know that it works, and only used ONE partial.
    
    This learning curve sure is steep, without a tutor, but I'm learning a
    little "bit" at a time...  And if it wasn't for finally getting the
    MIDI patch librarian to work, I'd have an even harder time of checking
    my progress.
    
    FWIW, I run DESQview 386 (20 Mhz).  In one window, I run a simple
    sequencing program, and in another window, I run the MTTED Patch
    Librarian.  In a third window, I run the software I am writing to
    command the MT to DUMP.  Part of the problem I was having dealt with a
    minimum required 20millisecond delay between a DT1 (dump) request and a
    go-get-it command.
    
    I have no idea why the editor crashed my system the other day, and not
    now.  Maybe it was the weather.  Dunno.  But to say again, the software
    works, and I'm glad I got it.  I'll even be supporting the "shareware"
    concept on this one...
    
    Thanks again.
    
    		Steve