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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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1063.0. "What Recordings Do You Have In Progress?" by HPSRAD::NORCROSS () Mon Dec 14 1987 16:06

Hi.  Out of curiosity, I would like to take snapshot of all the studio
    work that everyone is working on right NOW. Answer if you will,

   How many songs are you working on?

   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
    a planetarium show score?

   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?

   What style are the songs in?

   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?

   Are you doing this alone?

   Will you play this studio material live someday?

   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?

     Get the picture?

/Mitch
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1063.1I'll startHPSRAD::NORCROSSMon Dec 14 1987 16:0753
>   How many songs are you working on?

     3 songs these days.  One cover tune, called Pythagarus, of a rarely
     known group called Rat Race Choir.  One tune that a friend wrote on
     guitar - I am adding drums, bass,  and  keyboards.    One  original
     tune.

>   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
    a planetarium show score?

     These are ~4-6 minute tunes.  Drums, bass, keyboards, guitar.  Just
     for listening.

>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?

     The RRC  tune  is  just  for  my  own  enjoyment.    Perhaps a live
     performance some day. Maybe you'll hear it on COMMUSIC IV.

     My friend's tune will  be compiled with other songs that we've done
     together. I like to work with others for the exposure.

     The original tune will end up on a cassette  compilation  of all my
     originals.    Where  the  compilation  tape ends up, that's another
     topic.  I also hope to submit the original tune for COMMUSIC IV.

>   What style are the songs in?

    The RRC tune is a hairy progressive rock instrumental. My friend's tune
    is popish, wanting for lyrics. The original tune is...  well, you'll
    hear it on COMMUSIC IV.

>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?

    I work about 3 nights a week, 3 hours each night.    

>   Are you doing this alone?

    I work alone for the most part.

>   Will you play this studio material live someday?

    I hope to...  someday.

>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?

    For these three songs, I will have worked about 12 weeks @ 9 hours/week.
    Geez, that's 108 hours.  ugh.  I think it's because I spend so much time
    just sitting back and listening to what I've done after every edit/dub.

    Get the picture?

/Mitch
1063.2Here it is, 2.7 minutes @ f9600...DARTS::COTEIf ya gotta go, go 1st class...Mon Dec 14 1987 16:2744
>   How many songs are you working on?
 
    3
    
>   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
    a planetarium show score?
 
    Songs. I use the term loosely as 1 has no words.
    
>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?
 
    Gasp! :^) Seriously, I don't know. Probably a COMMUSIC, but it's
    not like the admission standards are so high I have to aim.
    
>   What style are the songs in?
    
    One original jazz/rock/fusion-type tune. One cover of Steely Dan's
    "Deacon Blues" and one of "Aja".
    
>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?
 
    At least 3 a day, maybe 10 more on the weekends. 30 or so, I guess...
    
>   Are you doing this alone?
    
    Aja helps. She's my kat. When it comes time to final production
    I'll probably pull in some/all of the BIM-bros...

>   Will you play this studio material live someday?
 
    Yep. 
    
>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?
    
    I've been working on "Deacon Blues" for, literally, years. I've
    no doubt the others can be done much quicker.
    
>   Get the picture?
    
    What? You want I should send you a Kodachrome, Shatzy????

>   /Mitch
    
    Edd
1063.3And out of the North came a loud noiseFROST::HARRIMANHow do I work this?Mon Dec 14 1987 16:4271
    
>   How many songs are you working on?
    
      The band is working on about 35 original tunes... about 15 are
    mine - those are pretty commercial-sounding.
    
      For myself, I have been working on four non-commercial (we call
    that "art") pieces. 

>   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
>   a planetarium show score?
    
      The band stuff is all for playing out in clubs. This will probably
    be the last band I'll ever be able to be in - family life is beginning
    to catch up. 
    
      The art is another story. Those are longer - style is ambient
    music. 

>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?
    
      I dunno, if I get something that sounds like it fits (of course
    what do I know I haven't heard the tape yet) and if I can remember
    the procedure for submitting COMMUSIC stuff.
    

>   What style are the songs in?
    
    
      The band plays funk-rock-pop-reggae (you know, modern music).
    
    I play electronic stuff. Much is quiet (ambient), lots of sequencing,
    multi-layering... Style varies with the piece. Ranges from John
    Cage styles to Philip Glass-ish to... Paul Harriman? (Dare I say
    that I can write in my own style? Nah!)
    
    

>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?
    
    
      Egad. Band does 10 hours + mixdown time / week. I get about 5-8
    hours of studio time for myself if I don't go out on Fridays and
    Saturday afternoons. Been at it for months.

>   Are you doing this alone?
    
      Obviously the band is not a one-piece. It is a five-piece.
    
      My personal material is done by myself. I let someone else help
    with the engineering occasionally.

>   Will you play this studio material live someday?
    
      Hope so. The ambient stuff won't go live, but it is on tape.

>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?
    
      The band will have spent almost a year working on tunes - original
    material is infinitely more challenging than cover material. 
    
      My four current pieces range in age from 4 months to last week. I
    usually average about 60 hours putting together something presentable
    on a tape.

>   Get the picture?
    
      I think so. Do you?
    
    /pjh

1063.4MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVIDNot so famous rock starTue Dec 15 1987 06:5518
    Currently writing more than recording...when the muse bites I write.
    :_)
    
    Studio is undergoing modernization...still awaiting parts...currently
    three songs suspended in process... awaiting my new compressor/limiter.
                                             
    Goals: 1. have fun
           2. personal growth
           3. contribute to commusic IV (submission not dependant on
              studio upgrades the tape will be in the mail soon)
           4. play live? If I had a band...see you at winterjam?
           5. possible commercial sale? I wish
           6. Entered contests ie: TDK songwriter/muscian mag's best
              unsigned band...etc.
           7. Enjoy self
    
    dave   
    
1063.5my favorite thingsSALSA::MOELLERgood credibility.. really !Tue Dec 15 1987 11:5642
>   How many songs are you working on?
    JUST finished my second piece for COMMUSIC IV (submitted already, guys!). 
    But to answer your question, the current project involves eight pieces
    from last year's 'Unreleases' cassette.. I'm adding overdubbed
    orchestration to all of them. I'm actively working on three of the
    eight right now.
        
>   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
    a planetarium show score?
    Also recently did the (taped) music for a local theater production
    of a Shakespeare play, which won best in state for music/sound design.
    
    ..I call them "pieces" rather than "songs", as they're instrumentals.
    
>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?
    The goal for these eight is to make a cassette album for independent
    distribution. 
    
>   What style are the songs in?
    Uh, 'neoclassical'.
    
>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?
    lessee.. 3 hrs/night x 3 weeknights + ~8 weekend hours is.. ~16-18hrs.
    
>   Are you doing this alone?
    Is there any other way ?
    
>   Will you play this studio material live someday?
    Yes, I'm making 'performance' diskettes for the Emax for each piece..
    also planning to dub down a subset of the Macintosh sequences to
    the Emax.
    
>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?
    Well, I recorded 'Unreleases' November 1986, and I'm just now got
    the studio together enough to do the orchestrations.. probably three
    months actual time.
>     Get the picture?
    Actually, I recently took detailed pictures of my studio for insurance
    purposes, and picked them up last week. So I guess I do !

karl

1063.6Was the play Emaxbeth? Or Yamlet?HEART::MACHINWed Dec 16 1987 04:367
    RE: .-1
    
    Phew. Looks like K.M. put the 'organ' in 'organised'!
    
    (No lewdness intended).
    
    Richard.
1063.7Up in The Roof!MINDER::KENTBut there's no hole in the middleWed Dec 16 1987 08:2650
    
    I am constantly amazed at the pre-meditation that goes into some
    of the strategies that you chaps have in terms of the use anthe
    implementation of your equipment. I have to be in involved in that
    thing so much for the DEC third of the day that I guess I must turn
    of completely at night. Thus the following answers to the
    aforementioned questions. Remember this to me is only a hobby I
    have no intentions or wish to be next years Vangellis or Bruce
    Springsteen. I realise some of you have other goals.
    
    How many songs am I working on ?
    
    One. I tend to only work on one at a time due to the limitation
    of having a sequencer which only stores to tape. I intend to rectify
    this in the near future (QX3 or ATARI/STEINBERG (Seperate issue)).
    
    Is it songs or pieces. 
    
    My main enjoyment is in writing and playing songs, although I have
    produced some promotional music for various video's and events.
    I tend to find the songwriting more fun, and therefore do more of
    it.
    
    Where will they end up.
    
    Nowhere really. I do hawk them round my friends and fellow noters
    for fun and have also in the past contributed to the commusic tapes.
    Look out for commusic 4. The tape will be on its way Jan 1.
    
    What Style.
    
    Simplisticly, my style. Mostly R and Bish, popish, funkish, but
    mainly Paul Kentish. I hope.
    
    How Many Hours.
    
    As many as a wife, ten month son and collie will allow. Probably
    7-8 hours a week.
    
    Alone.
    
    Yes.
    
    Play Live ?
    
    Unlikely, but every now and then I get an urge.
    
    Get it ? Got it ? Good!
    
    					Paul
1063.8I don't wanna enter a title...ya can't make me!!!DISSRV::CROWLEYere lies David St. 'ubbins, and why not!Wed Dec 16 1987 09:5753
    
    
    >How many songs are you working on?
    
    At the moment, five.  I might start on another one tonight.
    
    >Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score,
    >or a planetarium show
    
    Songs...although a film score would be fun.  Maybe I should call
    Spielburg, see if he's got anything in the works! :^) :^)
    
    >Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?
    
    Hopefully they'll end up in the hands of an A&R rep that likes them.
    A COMMUSIC submission isn't out of the question in the meantime,
    but its definately not my main goal.
    
    >What style are the songs in?
    
    Mainstream pop/rock
    
    >How many hours/week are you putting into this work?
     
    Somewhere around 25 to 30 hours a week.  Basically, about 4 hours
    on the weeknights (more if the neighbors upstairs have gone out
    :^) ) and at least five hours on Saturday and Sunday.
    
    >Are you doing this alone?
    
    Nope.  I'm working with one other guy.  We both write our own
    material, but record it all together.  He's mainly a bass player
    and I'm mainly a guitarist, but we both sing and play keys....
    so we've pretty much got it covered right now.
    
    >Will you play this studio material live someday?
    
    Definately.  Our plans right now are to write more material over
    the next couple of months, and around April or May to start auditioning
    drummers and keyboardists.  I've been out of the original club
    scene for over a year and a half now, and I'm DYING to get things
    in gear again.
    
    >What total time will you have spent on your current project when
    done?
    
    Who says I ever have to finish?  :^)
    
    >Get the picture?
    
    Huh?  Who said anything about photography??? :^)
    
    
1063.92�ECADSR::SHERMANCorrect as always, King Friday ...Wed Dec 16 1987 10:0160
>   How many songs are you working on?

	Well, one on the sequencer, another stored on tape that I may or
	may not keep.  And, there are at least two or three rumbling in
	my head.  Unlike most of the guys, maybe, I do most of my 
	'composition' when I'm away from my equipment.  I usually don't 
	start on the synths until I've pretty much got it all worked out in 
	my head.  Actually, that's the reason I got the system, 'cause
	the composition aspect is a compulsion.  I usually walk around
	humming my own tunes to myself.

>   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
    a planetarium show score?

	What I'm working on now is mostly just self-expression.  But, I'm
	told that a lot of what I do is file-trackish.  I did do a theme
	for a film once for a friend in college.  It was good.  Her teacher
	was very excited about it.  Unfortunately, shortly before filming
	some %$#@ stole about $30,000 worth of film equipment (unisured)
	from them, so the project was scrapped.  I've done a few songs that 
	were performed in church.  Otherwise, it's just for sharing among 
	friends.

>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?

	For now, the COMMUSIC tape and friends who have any interest.  Maybe 
	later on I'll do something with them.  It all depends on what comes
	up.  Might do a video or two with some of my buddies.

>   What style are the songs in?

	Style?  Moi?  So far, I've been criticized because my stuff doesn't 
	fall into any particular style.  I guess if anything maybe jazz or 
	blues?  Doesn't matter to me.

>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?

	Lately, I have only been lucky to get an hour a week on the synths.
	But, I'm always working on stuff in my head, if that counts.  
	Otherwise, I tend to pull all-nighters when I can to do a piece in 
	one uninterrupted burn.

>   Are you doing this alone?

	Ayup.  'Course my wife is a professional-class violinist (earned
	a performance degree in college, concert mistress for a number of 
	years in the philharmonic and all that), so I figure I'll probably
	use her in something eventually.

>   Will you play this studio material live someday?

	No way.  I'm zippo when it comes to real-time.

>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?

	One all-nighter should do it.


Steve
1063.11Non-�DYO780::SCHAFERResist.Wed Dec 16 1987 12:2076
   I'm not sure that I can classify anything I do as "studio work", since
   most of what I do is by the seat of the pants.  A wife, (almost) 5 yr.
   old daughter, and the many and varied responsibilities of farm life do
   not afford me much time to doodle nowadays.

>How many songs are you working on?

   None - at least none for the last 2 months.  Like Steve (Sherman), I
   have all kinds of ideas buzzing around in my head - but I never seem
   to have the time to put anything serious down on tape or even in a
   sequencer.  I have 3 semi-(un)finished pieces started over the last 1�
   yrs that are currently gathering dust. 

>Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
>a planetarium show score?

   Mostly (what radio heads would consider just plain) songs.  Two years
   ago I began writing a musical interpretation of the 107th Psalm.
   Again, all the parts are in my head, but none are on tape. 

>Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?

   Good question.  My - um, "conscience" twisted my arm a bit yesterday
   about submitting what I *do* have on tape to COMMUSIC IV.  (Now that I
   think about it, I've never been called a "weenie" before.)  Suffice it
   to say that this is not my goal in life.  I will probably make a tape
   of what I have - nits and all - and blast it up in a few days or so. 

   Most of what I write is influenced in some way by my faith (in Jesus,
   just to make clear).  We all have different motivaters - He happens to
   be mine.  I really have no idea what (if anything) will ever come of
   any music I happen to come up with.

>What style are the songs in?

   That's a toughie.  They probably would be classified as "popular"
   sounding - i.e., ROCK (sorry, Tom).  I would like to think there is a
   bit more to them than the standard "headbang".  How about
   "contemporary Christian music"? 

   One song that will probably go on COMMUSIC IV was said to sound like
   something Bob James would do (by a studio musician buddy of mine who
   lives in LA).  I am embarassed to say that I'm not real sure who Bob
   James is, or what he plays.  I hope he's good ...  8-) 

>How many hours/week are you putting into this work?

   Usually about an hour ever two weeks, including practicing.  I would
   like to spend 4 hours a night at it, but you all know how that goes. 

>Are you doing this alone?

   Pretty much, although a sporadic jam session or two with a few friends
   cannot (and will not!) be ruled out.  Oh - and not to be left out, our
   cat (Bozer) does a wonderful job of controlling the mouse population
   in the studio.  He doesn't play anything, though.

>Will you play this studio material live someday?

   Some has already been played live.  I spent 4 years doing clubs and
   what not - the warm fuzzies of being on-stage are nice, but the
   setup/tear down/travel part of the game is a real downer.  If I do end
   up going full-time live again, it won't be for my own sake. 

>What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?

   For the 3 pieces I will probably send to COMMUSIC IV, probably about
   10 days in the studio, all told.  The first 6 or 7 were spent on the
   first song I ever wrote using MIDI gear, so a good deal of the time is
   due to equipment ramp time. 

>Get the picture?

   No - my terminal doesn't support graphics.

brad_the_verbose
1063.12BAXTA::BOTTOM_DAVIDShe was a mommar...Thu Dec 17 1987 07:158
    Ok fess up how many of us heard from their conscience?
    
    I ended up bartering a tape for some slack with the blonde in
    shipping...
    
    many :-)
    
    dave
1063.13New mail on node JAWS from CANYON::CONSCIENCE...JAWS::COTEIf ya gotta go, go 1st class...Thu Dec 17 1987 08:1610
    I heard from mine!!!!
    
    Something's wrong. My conscience is pressing me to release some
    works *before* I get my HR-16 and MVII. Do conscience want me to
    fail? Is conscience fighting with ego??? Does conscience think he
    could wake up libido??? Or would that be counter-productive???
    
    Idd
    
    
1063.14Music is dead. Killed by noise.HPSTEK::RHODESThu Dec 17 1987 10:0613
I heard from someone *claiming* to be my conscience, but it weren't my own.
Mine doesn't resort to personal Email attacks using stale cocktail weenies
with the fake red b-b-q sauce.

Surely we rockers can whip up some of that 3 chord gummiebear music in
no time at all.  I'll go home tonight and manufacture 30 or so songs.
You got a UDXL-IIS C900 Dave?

Actually, I plan on finishing my tri-movement piece by Jan. 15th now that
I have my studio back in use after yet another home improvement project.
I hope Commusic IV won't be full too soon.

Todd.
1063.15The Electronic Conscience Nagged Me TooDRUMS::FEHSKENSThu Dec 17 1987 10:51104
    >How many...
    
    	Depends on how you count.  I'm usually working on a lot of 
    	different things, each at a different stage of "completion".  My
    	own "phase review process" for recording projects goes something
    	like this:
    
    	  1) listen (for covers) or "compose" (for originals). This 
    	     entails learning or inventing the material.
    
    	  2) arrange, usually on paper.
    
    	  3) program parts on sequencer.
    
    	  4) record trial arrangement.
    
    	  5) listen to trial arrangement and revise.
    
    	  6) record final arrangement.
    
    	I'm currently working on the following covers, by relative 
    	degree of completion:
    
    	  6 - Maybe
    
    	  5 - Angel Baby
    	      Be My Baby
    
    	  4 -
    
    	  3 - 
    
    	  2 - Will You Love Me Tomorrow
    	      Thank You Girl
    
    	  1 - Pretty Little Angel Eyes
    	      Tonight's the Night
    	      Little Darlin
    	      Blue Moon
    	      Hushabye
    	      Born to Be with You
    	      In the Still of the Night
    	      (this list changes)
    
    	The phase 1 and 2 stuff probably shouldn't be counted as real 
    	efforts yet, so it's 5 or 3 currently in progress.

    >Songs or what...
    
    	Songs, as you can see.
    
    >Destination...
    
    	Some will appear on COMMUSIC IV, and subsequent tapes, 
    	depending on how successfully things work out.

    >Style...
    
    	I'm currently on an oldies binge.  There are a few originals 
    	laying around (in phase 5), but mostly they've been set aside.
    	The overall style for this oldies project I would characterize
    	as "updated Phil Spector-ish", but not so densely arranged.
    	These are what I would call "respectful" covers - they're pretty
    	accurate for the most part, but they are not letter perfect and
    	I have made some "personal" changes.
    
    >Hours per week...
    
    	It varies as the spirit moves me, from as low as 5 to as much
    	as 20.
    
    >Alone?
    
    	Alone.  Edd Cote and I have started a joint cover of "Help Me",
    	and we keep talking about "Da Doo Ron Ron".

    >Live?
    
    	Probably not.
    
    >Total time...
    
    	A typical project takes, per phase, about:
    
    		1 - 10 hours, usually spread over a few weeks
    
    		2 - 5 hours
    
    		3 - 5 hours
    
    		4 - 2 hours
    
    		5 - 5 hours, with the listening part usually spread 
    		    over a few weeks
    
    		6 - 4 hours
    
    	or about 30 hours total, for 3 minutes or so of finished 
    	material.

    
    len.
    
1063.16oldie but not moldyLEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesThu Dec 17 1987 23:4071
>How many songs are you working on?

Trying to get together 20 covers for our new female vocalist to sing.
So far completed:

Greatest Love of All
Memory
Can You Read My Mind
Somewhere Out There - duet

Next: Some Linda Ronstadt oldies...

Heat Wave
That'll Be The Day
When Will I Be Loved
You're No Good

>Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
>    a planetarium show score?

songs

>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?

Our trio is performing in clubs, mostly dinner/dance music.

>   What style are the songs in?

Orchestral commercial arrangements of covers, similar to the records. The
R&R stuff is very close to the records, with some synth pads to make it fuller.

>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?

Usually, about 15-20 hrs.

>   Are you doing this alone?

I tape all of the instrumental parts alone. My two singers then do the vocal
tracks for tape and sing the parts live at the gigs. I mix down the instrumental
stuff for use at the gigs. It's kind of like a DJ with some live musicians and
live vocalists. The backup band/orchestra is on tape. I play keyboard fills and
leads using D50, MKS20, and JX8P. The male vocalist plays guitar.

>   Will you play this studio material live someday?

That's what we are doing now. Kelly's Steak & Seafood Restaurant in N. Reading,
New Year's Eve. Bogart's restaurant in Milford, Ma. every other month. We play
for an older crowd who likes to go out for dinner and dancing. Age group varies
from 30 to 80.

>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?

It takes about 15-20 hours (1 week) to do each song, including vocal charts
and arrangement. The drum machine eats up about 50% of the time. Just choosing
the toms, snare, bass, and tuning each instrument takes several hours. I did a
ride cymbal on the S50 connected to the MAC using Performer that took an entire
day (Sunday) to get right. I wanted a ritardando at the end of Greatest Love of
All, and Performer V1.0 doesn't provide tempo changes, nor does the DDD-5. So
I faked out Performer by making each note of each subsequent measure slightly
longer than in the previous measure. That is, 1/8th notes in one measure
became 1/8th tied to 1/64th, then 1/8th tied to 1/32nd, etc. I punched in the
notes in step mode on the S50 keyboard. With Performer V2.0, it will be much
easier.

>     Get the picture?

smile! click! awwwhh! You blinked! Or was that a wink!

Dave


1063.17Another trickDREGS::BLICKSTEINDaveFri Dec 18 1987 10:0615
> I wanted a ritardando at the end of Greatest Love of
> All, and Performer V1.0 doesn't provide tempo changes, nor does the DDD-5. So
> I faked out Performer by making each note of each subsequent measure slightly
> longer than in the previous measure. 
    
    Just thought you might like to know of a neat solution to this problem
    for recording.  
    
    I have the same problem with my ESQ-1 (no retard feature).
    
    What I do is MANUALLY slow down the sequencer WHILE I'm recording
    the FSK (or SMPTE) track.   It may take a couple of takes to get
    it right.
    
    	db
1063.18fsk cliqueLEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesFri Dec 18 1987 10:2918
< Note 1063.17 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "Dave" >
                               -< Another trick >-

>>    Just thought you might like to know of a neat solution to this problem
>>    for recording.  
>>    
>>    I have the same problem with my ESQ-1 (no retard feature).
>>    
>>    What I do is MANUALLY slow down the sequencer WHILE I'm recording
>>    the FSK (or SMPTE) track.   It may take a couple of takes to get
>>    it right.

Thanks db. I haven't been using an FSK or SMPTE track. I had the Mac running
the DDD-5 which in turn was running the S50. Since I am only sequencing the
drums parts and sometimes the bass, I don't use a click track. Your idea is
good general information though. Performer V2.0 will be a life saver.

Dave
1063.19No TricksHPSRAD::NORCROSSFri Dec 18 1987 11:0316
> I wanted a ritardando at the end of Greatest Love of
> All, and Performer V1.0 doesn't provide tempo changes, nor does the DDD-5. So
> I faked out Performer by making each note of each subsequent measure slightly
> longer than in the previous measure. 

The procedure for accomplishing this task using Master Tracks Pro would go
like this:

Click at the start and end points of the ritardando region of the song,
pull out the change conductor window, the specify start and end tempos.
It totals to about 5 mouse clicks, and 8 or so keystrokes. No sweat.
(I'm not bragging, mind you, just informing ;-)

(See note #1074 for a Master Tracks Pro review, and discussion of it's merits)

/Mitch
1063.20HPSRAD::NORCROSSFri Dec 18 1987 11:1212
Getting back to the topic at hand,

Thank you all for spilling your guts and saying what it is that you're
working on. You see, I am currently searching my soul to try and understand
what it is that drives me to sometimes work into the wee hours on this type
of thing, and to pull together a vision for what I want to accomplish.

It helps to know what the rest of the community here is working on.

Thx/Mitch :-)

Looking forward to COMMUSIC IV
1063.22I wrote about everything in that articleANGORA::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 DTN296-5421Fri Dec 18 1987 12:1823
    < Note 1063.21 by LEDS::ORIN "Raucous Roland Renegades" >
4. Player Piano -  I love the sound and arrangements on player pianos. I would
>   like to buy records of player piano songs, and try to figure out all the
> player piano...
you shoulld get some of Conlon nancarrow's works, really wild works
    for player piano but the record company
    may be out of business, but maybe they're  being re-released by
    now.  Use the classical shwann to find them.  the scores are published
    by peter garland and soundings press.
    >       parts and put them into the Performer sequencer, then have the Mac play
>   all the parts back at once on the K250 or S50 or MKS20.
>>   even visualize colors. I already tend to associate certain colors with
>   certain sounds. D is blue. G is green. Ab is purple. Tunes written in the
>   key of Db are blue and purple. Don't ask me how or why. F is orange. B is
   silver.
Olivier Messiean synesthetically associated colors and chords in his
    music.  Music imitating a particular bird would be written in scales
    of the colors corresponding to the bird's plumage.  I wrote about
    this in my aritcle in computer music journal X:3
    Tom
    >
>Dave
>
1063.23One more survey response4TRACK::LAQUERREFri Dec 18 1987 12:3163
    
    Here's one more for you.  These have been fun to read.

    < Note 1063.0 by HPSRAD::NORCROSS >
                          -< Studio Work in Progress >-

How many songs are you working on?

    One at a time.  Each song I write takes about a month to write,
    record, and mix.
    
Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
a planetarium show score?

    All original songs.  Usually about 3-5 minutes long.
    
Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?

    COMMUSIC is a lot fun to contribute to.  I hope to do it again soon--
    maybe COMMUSIC IV.  I also like to write songs for friends and
    relatives.  It's a nice, personal gift and I get good criticism from
    them a lot of times. 
    
What style are the songs in? 

    Folk rock I guess, although I'm trying to be creative by using more
    creative chord progressions whenever I can.
    
How many hours/week are you putting into this work?

    My wife works three nights a week as a waitress.  On those nights
    I usually try and put in about 3-4 hours after our 1-year-old goes
    to sleep.  That's why it takes about a month to get a song done.
    A week of nights to write a song.  Another couple of weeks to record
    it, and another night or two to mix it down.
    
Are you doing this alone?
    
    Yes.  I'd like to work with someone else sometime, but it's hard
    with my schedule.  Working on my own does give me the freedom to
    do it whenever an opportunity arises.

Will you play this studio material live someday?
    
    I was thinking about it.  My material might be appropriate for a
    pub or something someday.  I wonder sometimes if I'm getting too
    dependent on my 4-track machine and forgetting how to perform alone
    with the guitar.

What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?

    Like I said, about a month of three nights a week.  I guess that
    probably translates into about 20-30 hours, depending on the song.
    That time has increased since I got the drum machine.
    
Get the picture?
    
    Yup.

/Mitch

    Peter

1063.24Caution. This hobby is time consuming!HPSTEK::RHODESWed Dec 23 1987 16:5444
"Too busy" Todd speaks out:

>   How many songs are you working on?
One, but it is essentially three songs in one.  The first two parts 
are completed, and I am currently working on the third movement.

>   Is it songs that you are working on? ...or perhaps a film score, or
>    a planetarium show score?
Well, some people who have heard my work wouldn't call them "songs".  How
does "Experiments" sound?

>   Where are the songs going to end up? ...on a COMMUSIC tape?
Yea, hopefully before commusic XXI.

>   What style are the songs in?
Experimental.  I like swirling, echoish, chorusy, and very ambient stuff
that is simple.  The "simple" part leaves the details up to the imagination.
The first two movements of my current piece are very New Age in form,
the third is rock.

>   How many hours/week are you putting into this work?
Currently about 3 or 4.  Some months, 0.  Other months, 30.

>   Are you doing this alone?
Yes, with occasional "guest stars".

>   Will you play this studio material live someday?
No.  There is a huge difference in this boy's mind between playing live
and playing in the studio.  Studio music can be experimental and textural.
Live music should be energetic and showful.

>   What total time will you have spent on your current project when done?
Oh, probably 20 hours.  This doesn't count the listening part though.
I tend to make rough sketches (ie: simple drum machine patterns, simple
synth sequencing and the addition of primitive guitar parts) and listen
to them for days in the car while I figure out how to give them some creative
form.  Then I go back into the studio and get the sound and arrangement
I want.

>     Get the picture?
Yessiree.  Good topic.  Now, one of these days I'm gonna get around to
reviewing Commusic III.

Todd.