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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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1018.0. ""Secrets of Synthesis"" by --UnknownUser-- () Fri Nov 20 1987 11:09

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1018.1Historical MyopiaPLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 DTN296-5421Fri Nov 20 1987 12:1128
    Wendy Carlos was not the first to use electronic instruments
    as a serious instrument, nor was Switched on Bach the first recording
    of its kind, unless you define what "kind" very narrowly.
    Electronic musical instruments as serious instruments written for
    by serious composers go back to the 1920's.  Nor did Carlos set
    the
    standard for modern synths.  Modern synths are not voltage-controlled,
    they are digital, and digital synthesis was perfected to a first-
    approximation by MUSIC, written in FORTRAN for large mainframes
    in the 60's, and revised many times.  Max matthews I recall hurridly, 
    was responsible for rthat.
    Electronic tape music of entirely electronic sounds probably debuted
    in the late forties with works of John Cage.  Vladimir Ussachevsky
    and Otto Luening, as well as the Barrons in the fifties (the score
    for Forbidden Planet was by the Barrons, I think 100% electronic)
    followed quickly with adapted laboratory generators and the RCA
    synthesizer, which used digital control of analog components.
    
    Carlos was a late comer, a finnesser, an opportunist that saw a
    popular music application for other people's techniques, and also
    a developer in a young field, but not a first-timer, except for
    first-time fame and wealth in electronic music, first-time public
    relations success, first-time publicity coup.
    
    You may as well say Philip Glass invented triplets, which I think
    he
    believes he did.
    Tom
1018.3PLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 DTN296-5421Fri Nov 20 1987 16:404
    It was an industrial/commercial victory, not a musical one.
	The best electronic music, 1925-1965 was never boring.
    Only some conventional ordinary average listeners are boring.
    Tom
1018.4trade-journals vs. the theoretical journalsPLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 DTN296-5421Fri Nov 20 1987 16:437
    I would add that the most exciting work in computer music is STILL
    being often in large university and arts centers on large powerful
    installations that permit you to use any type of synthesis on the
    machine.  The toys you buy at La Salle's require you to adapt to
    the type of processing the manufacturer has chosen, rather than
    adapt to your needs.
    Tom
1018.5Historical Trivium.MAY20::BAILEYSteph BaileyFri Nov 20 1987 16:539
    For those of you who wonder what a theremin sounds like, listen
    to ``Good Vibrations'' by the Beach Boys.  I'm sure you will be
    able to pick out the sound.
    
    It was played (I believe) by holding your hands closer or further
    away from a metal ball.  A novel control idiom!
    
    Steph
    
1018.7Uhh...FROST::HARRIMANSix ToughMon Nov 23 1987 08:3863
    
    I seem to detect rampant purism in our midst.
    
    True, there was a considerable amount of activity from the 1920's
    (Dr. Hammond was one of the earlier "electronic innovators" as you may
    have realized) and 1930's. Musique Concrete was not perfected until
    the 1950's (Cage, Babbitt, et al). Moog was working with many people
    and Carlos was not the first that Dr. Moog worked with. Morton Subotnik
    was not enthusiastic about attaching a keyboard to his oscillators;
    he chose to work on one of Don Buchla's machines, which, although
    somewhat esoteric by our modern keyboard-oriented standards, is
    nonetheless pretty striking (Listen to "The Wild Bull", circa 1962).
    
    Moog only perfected 1v/Octave as a standard. He did not invent it.
    There was no patent on the 1v/octave standard and not everyone used
    it (although A.R.Perlman and Moog were very consistent).
    
    Sure, the rockers weren't into synthesizers back in the sixties.
    neither was anyone else who mattered except true artists who fell
    into the nether world of "avant garde". When I was in junior high
    (1973) I did a paper on electronic music, it required quite a bit
    of research to dig up enough material (especially for a 13 year
    old). I remember a review I read in an old paper in the Boston Public
    Library which raked Babbitt over the coals for one of his works,
    basically the reviewer just didn't understand the music AT ALL.
    
    Also, Paul Beaver and Bernie Krause did a lot of work back in the
    early sixties. My very first non-kiddie album was "Ragnarok" by
    Beaver and Krause, who, I found out much later, worked as closely
    with Moog as Carlos did (they all had to, the first Moogs were about
    as ornery as the original RCA tube stuff). If you haven't heard
    the stuff, you missed something. But Beaver and Krause were far
    from what you'd call mainstream rock.
    
    In fact, Emerson (remember him?) started early on with Dr. Moog
    (as early as 1969 they were talking about a bona-fide road-worthy
    performance synthesizer). As I see it, he was about the first real
    rocker who got the ball rolling. Commercial synthesizers weren't
    really there until the Mini-Moog came along, of course I know about
    Perlman's 2600 (and I still would buy one of those if I could find
    one). But the 2600 didn't become roadworthy until 1972. 
    
    No, the synthesizer wasn't a rocker's toy until after 1972. Before
    that, it lived in big places like universities and studios. I was
    lucky enough to have been able to get real live training on
    synthesizers by esoteric people like Roger Powell and Jim Michmerhuizen
    when I was really a youngster. But Powell sold out and does sound
    tracks now, and Michmerhuizen is probably unknown (he wrote the
    original ARP 2600 into-to-e.m. course)... Such is life, the art
    moves to new states. 
    
    So I can stop this rambling, I just wanted to make a point. Technology
    moves along, and as the instruments got more accessable, people
    who would otherwise have been playing b-3's got ahold of 10-kilo
    Japanese versions instead. There is still some esoterica out there
    although it's harder to hear it thru the din of a million people
    playing Korgs, Rolands and the Y-word. That does not mean that the
    million people are playing crap, or not. Nor does it mean that the
    few who play esoterica are doing it well, are making a statement,
    or are just being different for the heck of it. You listen to what
    you want to, and I play what I want to. 
    
    /pjh
1018.8Theramin, are you sure?AKOV75::EATONDMon Nov 23 1987 08:3812
RE < Note 1018.5 by MAY20::BAILEY "Steph Bailey" >

	I was watching flipping through the channels one night when I happened
upon some kind of documentary of the Beach Boys.  In it, they showed some videos
one of which was the aforementioned 'Good vibrations'.

	It looked more like he was using a pitch ribbon mounted on a stand 
(looking much like a pedal steel guitar) than moving hands closer or further to 
a metal ball.  Was this still a theremin or was it something else?

	Dan

1018.9That was a ribbon controller.FROST::HARRIMANSix ToughMon Nov 23 1987 08:4516
    
    Dan, the original Theremin was actually two plates mounted on a
    chassis. The unit was made of tubes (no surprise) and had two extremely
    high gain amplifiers, one which was actually an oscillator. It worked
    by reacting to the presence of your bod, somewhat like what your
    TV does when you walk around the room...
    
    So you move one hand to change the frequency of the oscillator,
    and the other hand to change the amplitude.
    
    The ribbon controller you saw was a Moog ribbon controller. For
    obvious reasons, it became easier to synthesize a theremin than
    to lug around a chassis with two BIG transformers, two plates and
    a load of tubes. Remember, even the beach boys went high tech.
    
    /pjh