[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
Notice:Conference has been write-locked. Use new version.
Moderator:DYPSS1::SCHAFER
Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

1011.0. "COMMUSIC III - Anonymous Confesses" by DRUMS::FEHSKENS () Wed Nov 11 1987 16:02

    OK, I confess, it was me.  Some documentation follows, if anyone
    cares.
    
    To the many people who admitted enjoying the piece, my sincerest
    thanks.
    
    len.
    
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
1011.1The ScoreDRUMS::FEHSKENSWed Nov 11 1987 16:03185
			Sequencer Score

   		GetSiriusNoah - L. Fehskens, July 1987

   tempo - 60 quarter notes per minute
   
   Notational conventions:
   
   Step size is denominator of time signature (i.e., 9/8 => eighth 
   note resolution, 9/16 => sixteenth note resolution).
      
   r - rest
   t - tie
   
   p - phrase
   q - retrograde phrase
   b - inverted phrase
   d - retrograde inverted phrase
   
   P - augmented phrase (beat/step size is halved; apparent tempo is 
       doubled; i.e., 9/8 -> 9/16, etc.)
   etc.
   
   
   Phrases:
   
   Source material (A omitted from row unintentionally)
   
   9/8	p1	B  t  F# t  t  C# G# t  t
   5/8	p2	C  t  t  A# t
   6/8	p3	r  G  F  t  t  t
   7/8	p4	D  D# t  E  t  t  t
   
   Derived material

   Inversions are "relative to C" (C -> C, C# -> B, D -> A#, ...,
   F# - > F#, ..., A# -> D, B -> C#).  Retrogrades are based on position
   (i.e., NOTE-ONs in the retrograde phrase occur the same distance 
   from the end of the bar as they were from the beginning of the 
   bar of the source phrase).  This is a slightly weird definition
   of retrograde; it has the property that the retrograde of the 
   retrograde of a phrase may not be the same as that phrase.
   Note durations in a retrograde phrase are determined by the 
   placement of the next note (i.e., rests appear only at beginning
   of retrograde bar, if at all).
   
   9/8	p1'	B  t  t  t  t  r  r  r  r  (to complete scale of phrase d4)
   7/8	p4'	D  D# t  C# t  t  t	   (to provide 3rd for A major chord)
   
   
   9/8	q1	r  r  G# C# t  t  F# t  B
   5/8  q2	r  A# t  t  C
   6/8  q3	r  r  r  F  G  t
   7/8	q4	r  r  r  E  t  D# D
   
   
   9/8	b1	C# t  F# t  t  B  E  t  t
   5/8  b2	C  t  t  D  t
   6/8  b3	r  F  G  t  t  t
   7/8  b4	A# A  t  G# t  t  t
   
   
   9/8	d1	r  r  E  B  t  t  F# t  C#
   5/8	d2	r  D  t  t  C
   6/8	d3	r  r  r  G  F  t
   7/8  d4	r  r  r  G# t  A  A#

   
   Accompaniment:
   
   (chord inversions as yet undocumented except in the manuscript 
   score and as sequencer data)
   
   C11	D# + B		   B(no 5th)  G#m(no root)
   C21	C# + E  + G#	   C#m
   C31	C  + F  + G  + A#  C7sus4
   C41	D  + F# + A	   D
   
   C12	C# + D# + G#	   G#sus4
   C22	F# + A#		   F#(no 5th) D#m(no root)
   C32	C  + E  + F +  A   Fmaj7
   C42	D  + G  + B	   G
   
   c11  D  + F#		   D(no 5th)  Bm(no root)    Gmaj7(no root, no 3rd)
   c12	C# + G#		   C#(no 3rd) G#sus4(no 5th)
   c2	C  + F		   F(no 3rd)  Csus4(no 5th)
   c3	D# + A#		   D#(no 3rd) A#sus4(no 5th)
   c41	G  + B		   G(no 5th)  Em(no root)    Cmaj7(no root, no 3rd)
   c42	E  + A		   A(no 3rd)  Esus4(no 5th) 
   
   G    D  + D# + E  + F  + G  + A  + A# + B (tone cluster for gong)
   
   
   Voice assignments:
   
   string ensemble - JX-10, MKS-80
   flute - CZ-101
   marimbas - low, medium low - JX-10
              medium high, high - MKS-80
   gong - MKS-80
   brass ensemble - JX-10, MKS-80

   There appears to have been some confusion about the nature of the 
   synths used.  No samplers were employed.  The synths are as follows:
   
     MKS-80 - Roland Super Jupiter, analog synth
     JX-10  - Roland Super JX, digital/analog hybrid synth
     CZ-101 - Casio CZ-101 digital (phase distortion) synth
   
    
   The score:
     
   Each space (print position) represents one beat.  Note that for 
   the augmented material (P, B, D, Q) each beat is one half the 
   nonaugmented beat.  "|" denotes a bar line. "()" enclose truncated
   material.
   
   
    1 -  4	strings	       |p1       |p2   |p3    |p4     |
   
    5 -  8	flute	       |p1       |p2   |p3    |p4     |
   		strings	       |C11      |C21  |C31   |C41    |

    9 - 12	flute	       |q1       |q2   |q3    |q4     |
   		strings	       |C12      |C22  |C32   |C42    |
   
   13 - 16	strings	       |b1       |b2   |b3    |b4     |
   
   17 - 20	flute	       |b1       |b2   |b3    |b4     |
   		strings	       |C32      |C22  |C42   |C12    |
   
   21 - 24	flute	       |d1       |d2   |d3    |d4     |
   		strings	       |C21      |C41  |C31   |C11    |
   
   25 - 28	flute	       |p1'      |
   		strings	       |p1       |p2   |p3    |p4     |
   
   29 - 32	marimba	       |P1       |P2   |P3    |P4     |
   		strings	       |c11  c12 |c2   |c3    |c41 c42|
   
   33 - 36	marimba	       |B1	 |B2   |B3    |B4     |
   		strings	       |c12 c42  |c11  |c2    |c41 c3 |
   
   37 - 40	marimba	       |D4     |D3    |D2   |D1       |
   		strings	       |c3 c41 |c2    |c11  |c42 c12  |
   
   41 - 44	marimba	       |Q4     |Q3    |Q2   |Q1       |
   		strings	       |c42 c41|c3    |c2   |c12 c11  |
   
   45 - 48	hi marimba     |         |     |      |P1.....|
   		med hi marimba |         |     |P1....|...P2..|
   		med lo marimba |         |P1...|....P2|...P3..|
   		lo marimba     |P1.......|P2...|P3....|P4.....|

   49 - 52	hi marimba     |..P2...P3|....P|4.....|B1.....|
   		med hi marimba |.P3....P4|.....|B1....|...B2..|
   		med lo marimba |..P4.....|B1...|....B2|...B3..|
   		lo marimba     |B1.......|B2...|B3....|B4.....|

   53 - 56	hi marimba     |..B2...|B3....|B4...|..D4.....|
   		med hi marimba |.B3....|B4....|.D4..|...D3....|
   		med lo marimba |..B4...|..D4..|...D3|....D2...|
   		lo marimba     |D4.....|D3....|D2...|D1.......|

   57 - 60	hi marimba     |D3....D|2...D1|.....|..Q4.....|
   		med hi marimba |D2...D1|......|.Q4..|...Q3....|
   		med lo marimba |D1.....|..Q4..|...Q3|....Q2...|
   		lo marimba     |Q4.....|Q3....|Q2...|Q1.......|
   
   61 - 64	hi marimba     |Q3....Q2.|..Q1.|......|P1.....|(..)
   		med hi marimba |Q2...Q1..|.....|P1....|...P2..|(.)
   		med lo marimba |Q1.......|P1...|....P2|...P3..|(..)
   		lo marimba     |P1.......|P2...|P3....|P4.....|

                                8/4
   65 		gong	       |G . . . . . . . |
   
   66 - 69	brass	       |c11  c12 |c2   |c3    |c41 c42|
   
   70 - 73	brass	       |p1       |p2   |p3    |p4     |
  		strings	       |p1       |p2   |p3    |p4     |
 		flute	       |p1       |p2   |p3    |p4'    |
   		strings	       |c11  c12 |c2   |c3    |c41 c42|
   
1011.2 The GenesisDRUMS::FEHSKENSWed Nov 11 1987 16:08157
   			How It Actually Got Written
   
   GetSiriusNoah was written in response to a challenge from some
   fellow COMMUSIC noters.  The challenge, while somewhat in jest, ended 
   up being taken quite seriously.  That challenge, to "get serious",
   appears as a rather lame pun in the title.

   First, let me deal with the question of anonymity.  My apologies to 
   all for the ethical sleights of hand necessitated by my desire to 
   keep my identity unknown until after the piece had been auditioned.
   Basically, given the expected ambience of the tape, and my reputation 
   as a rock'n'roller, I wanted it to be given a fair hearing.  It would 
   have been fun had there been more guessing as to its authorship,
   but my thanks to everyone for bearing with me.
   
   The piece was not so much "composed" as it was "designed" or "derived".
   Only a few of the decisions I made regarding the piece entailed any 
   judgement on my part; most were "random", as random as a human being
   can try to be (i.e., they were subject to unspecified biases).  I had
   essentially no idea what this was going to sound like until all the 
   parts had been sequenced and recorded.  No computers were involved in
   the compositional (i.e., decision making) process, only the performance,
   and even then, only to the extent that the MC500 sequencer and the
   various synths employed contain "embedded" computers.
   
   I based the piece on a naive understanding of serial composition
   techniques.  My strategy was to pick a row, and then build the piece
   up from this row, its inverted form, its retrograde ("backwards") form
   and its retrograde inversion.  I also deliberately crafted the piece to
   avoid a number of criticisms that had been leveled at earlier "toy"
   compositions of mine.
   
   So, I began by picking a row.  I actually began by picking four 
   subrows, which together used all 12 notes of the chromatic scale.
   The subrows contained 4, 2, 2 and 3 notes: of course, I made a mistake
   this early in the game by inadvertantly omitted one note (A - accounting
   for the other lame pun in the title).  You might ask, "where would 
   you put the A were you to "fix" this "bug"?"  After some thought, I've
   decided I'd put it in p2 (see the sequencer score), just before the A#.
   I didn't bother fixing it at the time because I had already sequenced 
   more material than I was willing to do over again.  Such are the 
   vicissitudes of "real" composition.
   
   Notes were assigned to subrows "randomly".  The subrow time signatures
   were deliberately chosen to be "unconventional", to avoid the "4/4 is 
   so pedestrian" criticism, thus 9/8, 5/8, 6/8 and 7/8.  Note durations
   were also assigned "randomly" to the subrows.  By chance (or unconscious
   design, i.e., ingenuous oversight), the last note of each subrow 
   extends to the end of the subrow barline.
   
   Having generated the melodic material, I needed some harmonic 
   accompaniment.  I decided to again use each of the 12 notes of the
   chromatic scale once, allocating them among 4 chords, one for
   each subrow.  The 4 chords were chosen "randomly", with the constraint
   that they be more or less consonant (e.g., a 7sus4 is "more or less"
   consonant).  The 12 notes were grouped into chords of 2, 3, 3 and 4 notes.
   
   The 4 chords were assigned to the subrows by superficial inspection,
   again based on the desire for some nominal consonance.  I ruefully
   observe that almost all of the chord changes occur at the (tyrannical)
   bar line, and the chords are almost all held for the duration of the 
   bar.
   
   I then generated the inversion, retrograde and retrograde inversion
   of each subrow.  The definition of retrograde used is somewhat 
   idiosyncratic (see the sequencer score).
   
   I sketched out the "large scale" structure of the piece more or less 
   as I sequenced it.  It eventually became clear that I wanted two more
   sets of chords for accompaniment, so I generated another set of 4 chords
   (again with 2, 3, 3 and 4 notes) and later a set of 6 two-note chords.
   These additional chord sets were also mapped onto the subrows by
   cursory inspection.
   
   The large scale structure went as follows:
   
    1)	theme (4 subrows) in strings
   
    2)	theme in flute over first set of 4 chords
   
    3)	retrograde subrows in flute over second set of 4 chords
   
    	repeat the above substructure using inverted rows (to "use up" 
   	all the material generated):
   
    4)	  inverted theme in strings
   
    5)	  inverted theme in flute over 2nd set of 4 chords
   
    6) 	  retrograde inverted subrows over 1st set of 4 chords
   
    7)	repeat theme in strings to "reestablish frame of reference"
   
    8)	double time theme and its inversion (to avoid criticism of 
   	rhythmic monotony) in marimba (to provide some timbral diversity)
   	over set of 6 chords; then retrograde this material
   
    9)	marimba canon based on marimba material just introduced, to 
   	avoid criticism of linearity and lack of polyphony; no 
   	accompaniment; this 27/16 phrase repeated 5 times to guarantee
        all "vertical" combinations occur; voices of the canon enter on
        the bar lines of the low marimba, but the tyranny of the bar 
        line is thereafter subverted as the subrows stack up with one 
        another in random staggered fashion; see the sequencer score for
        the actual alignments 
   
   10)	gong crash to bring everything to a screeching halt; 8/4 bar
   	length chosen as longest sequencer allowed to let crash fade
   
   11)	brass chords (from 6 chord set) inverted and widely spaced for a
   	portentous effect; played in the same order as used when 
        accompanying the marimba introduction (section 8)
   
   12)	unison theme over 6 chord set in strings to wrap it up.
   

   Despite all these more or less arbitrary decisions, this structure
   produced the prime bar and beat lengths mentioned in my liner notes.
   Lest anyone think otherwise, I believe this to have no significance
   whatever.  Based on the motivations discussed above, the various 
   sections of the piece work out to the following lengths:
   
       section	 # bars	     # beats	 bar #s	    beats as 16ths
       -------  ---------   ---------   -------     ---------------
   	1 - 3	3 * 4	    3 * 27/8	 1 - 12		6 * 27
   	4 - 6	3 * 4	    3 * 27/8	13 - 24		6 * 27
   	  7	    4           27/8	25 - 28		2 * 27
   	  8	4 * 4	    4 * 27/16	29 - 44		4 * 27
   	  9	5 * 4	    5 * 27/16	45 - 64		5 * 27
   	 10	        1       8/4	  65		         32
   	 11	    4	        27/8	66 - 69		2 * 27
   	 12	    4	        27/8	70 - 73		2 * 27
   	       ----------	 		    ---------------
   	       18 * 4 + 1			       27 * 27 + 32

   As it happens, both these numbers are prime.  Curious, but no more 
   than that.
   
   This was a fun exercise.  I have come to rather like this little toy,
   and consider my random choice of row to have been extraordinarily
   fortunate.
   
   This led to some other studies of this sort of composition, which I found
   intellectually amusing if of limited practical value (e.g., how many
   sets of 6 nominally consonant intervals (i.e., limited to the intervals
   of the minor 3rd, major 3rd, fourth, fifth, minor 6th and major 6th)
   can be defined using each of the 12 notes of the chromatic scale once?
   Given a phrase of n resolvable time units length, how many different
   rhythmic phrases can be created using notes, ties and rests, each
   of the resolvable unit's duration?  I have been able to derive an 
   analytic (well, recursive) solution for the latter, but have only 
   been able to deal with the former empirically.).
   
   I am working on a major revision that inserts the missing A and uses 
   a more conventional definition of retrograde.  This version will be 
   somewhat longer.  I can't make any promises as to what else it might be.
1011.3Egad.DYO780::SCHAFERResist.Wed Nov 11 1987 16:300
1011.4Could You Perhaps Elaborate?DRUMS::FEHSKENSWed Nov 11 1987 17:204
    Uh, Brad, was it something I said?
    
    len.
    
1011.5Play it like it feels huh?MINDER::KENTReview? What Review?Thu Nov 12 1987 08:016
   
   re .1 .2
   
    So *thats* why they call it the blues ! 
              
              			
1011.6Egad := "I'm overwhelmed"DYO780::SCHAFERResist.Thu Nov 12 1987 15:0826
RE: .3, .4

   Well, let's put it this way ...


   I *THOUGHT* that I was a pretty well informed and well educated
   individual. 

   After all, I *am* classically trained at the piano, having had private
   classical training since I was 7� yrs old. 

   And I *DID* major in EE and Computer Music (among other things) during
   my college days. 

   And I *CAN* play the socks off most people I know.


   And after reading .1 and .2, I can't for the life of me figure out how
   you ever came up with this.  And *YOU* listen to Van Halen????? 


   Anyone wanna buy an ESQ whose sequencer is replete with mindless
   drivel? 


brad_who_actually_quite_enjoys_the_piece_but_can't_understand_it
1011.7you'd think he was talking MartianPLDVAX::JANZENThu Nov 12 1987 16:266
    what's the big deal?  Len's only making music with his own
    rationalized system in constructivist procedure, like every
    important composer from Gesualdo to Bach to Schoenberg to
    me have.
    Tom
    
1011.8Hey, COMVIDEO I!!! LEt's do it!PLDVAX::JANZENThu Nov 12 1987 16:297
    Incidentally, I knew it was Len's piece from the description
    in the liner notes; it's written up the same way he talked about
    his other rationalized drum piece.
    
    I have not heard this latest piece. I did not get commusic III.
    I'm waiting for the video to come out.
    Tom
1011.9a video?ECADSR::SHERMANCorrect as always, King Friday ...Thu Nov 12 1987 16:456
    re-.1:  Yo, db!  You watchin' this?  The man wants a *video*!
    Wanna send him a copy of the master tape? (as-is, of course!) 
    ;-)
    
    
    Steve_who_likes_Paul_Shaffer's_YOU_KILL_ME_video
1011.10Was that you in the spandex tights Tom?DREGS::BLICKSTEINDaveFri Nov 13 1987 08:5610
    Actually, the manual for my Betamax suggests  recording a strong
    video signal even when making audio-only recordings, so I did that.
    
    It's interesting to watch the video recorded with the audio.  I
    recall that there were some amusing things in the video that coincided
    at various times with the music.
    
    I think Tom Janzens piece was recorded over a heavy metal video.

    	db
1011.11ANGORA::JANZENFri Nov 13 1987 09:303
    >Was that you in the spandex tights, Tom?
    
    No, I was wearing a green tux.
1011.12LIve It Wouldn't Be the SameDRUMS::FEHSKENSFri Nov 13 1987 10:168
    At a LEDS-BIM the other evening, we briefly (*very* briefly) discussed
    performing GetSiriusNoah at the next SeasonJam.
    
    And Brad, it was easy - I just made it up as I went along.  Isn't
    that how it's done?
    
    len.
    
1011.13Len contributes to COMMUSIC!HPSTEK::RHODESMon Nov 16 1987 08:3713
>    And Brad, it was easy - I just made it up as I went along.  Isn't
>    that how it's done?

Ahhhh, I thought I detected a hint of improv.  It was the gong that gave
it away.

I think I would have guessed the composer's name had I not already known it.
Knowing it did make it more definite tho.  

Now, where can I get a few RCE's for a steal?

Todd.

1011.14Remote Control Engineers?DRUMS::FEHSKENSWed Nov 18 1987 16:594
    RCE's?
    
    len.
    
1011.15RCE = Radical Chorusing EquipmentHPSTEK::RHODESThu Nov 19 1987 08:311
I meant the chorus units!  RCE-10s.