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830.1 | Using the ESQ-1 without a drum machine | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Thu Jun 04 1987 11:01 | 44 |
| Well, you'll need to go out looking for some good percussion patches.
I have yet to see a snare, ride or crash patch.
Also, your assumption that you can take ONE track of the ESQ-1
sequencer and use it for the on-board percussion sounds is incorrect.
Each ESQ-1 track in a sequence can be assigned to one and only one
internal patch.
So you'll definitely need more than one track for the percussion.
However, if you have n percussion instruments, there is a way you
could tie up only n/2 tracks.
What you could do is if you have say a SNARE patch and a RIDE patch,
modify the SNARE patch to become a split keyboard patch. I.E. make
all notes above middle C be RIDE and all notes below be SNARE.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if you discovered that 8 tracks
was enough even without resorting to this.
Also remember that you've only got 8 voices. This limits how complex
your percussion and non-percussion parts can be.
Bottom line is that you can get away with this for a little while
with the ESQ-1 but if you're going to do anything halfway serious
you will need a drum machine. But the good news is that you can
get decent drum machines pretty cheap these days: Last I heard,
Sam Ash was selling the Casio RX-1 (what I use) for a little over
$200. The RX-1 is a lot of machine for that money. It has:
o 12 built-in PCM sampled voices (all good but not great)
o You can create your own drum sounds by sampling (that feature
alone is worth the $200+).
o Seperate outputs for each instrument, or stereo outputs with
a hard-wired stereo field, or mono outputs
o A mixing section - one volume control for each output
o Full MIDI implementation (also IN, OUT and THRU as I remember)
o Dump data to audio cassette capability
I'm sure there are other good deals around for discontinued models
and such.
db
o
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830.2 | Thanks for the Input... | AQUA::ROST | We don' need no steenking names | Thu Jun 04 1987 11:32 | 36 |
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Thanks for your input, Dave.
I figured the way the demo was done was to put Simmons-like tom
and snare patches together as a split. The snare was limited to
a small range of notes while the toms had a wide range so that a
very low tom could double as a bass drum. Or maybe they used a high
tom as a snare and had the bass as the second patch in the split.
Plus, of course, there were no cymbals. So you could get by with
one track.
If you saw my current setup you would laugh but my drum machine
is built into a Lowery organ and a cymbal consists of gated white
noise. An ESQ-1 can do better than that, I'm sure, though it would
not be *realistic*. This would then obviously require another sequencer
track.
I am quite aware of the 8 note limitation. The thing that I loved
about the demo (and a similar demo on the Sequential MAX) is that
someone spent a lot of time in the arrangement so that no more than
8 notes sounded at once, yet allowed what sounded like three or
four polyphonic parts (piano, strings, "synth" lead) *plus* bass and
drums.
I'm surprised the Casio is so cheap...when it came out it was like
$500 wasn't it? Guess it hasn't proved too popular. My problem
is that if I can get my wife to swallow the $1400 or so for the
ESQ-1 she will fall over if I say I need a drum machine too. I
do not plan to be Tom Scholz and could probably borrow a 707 from
a friend in a pinch.
Now what about the sequencer depth question?
Brian
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830.3 | Yes, Virginia, There are Drums in There | AQUA::ROST | We don' need no steenking names | Wed Jun 10 1987 09:59 | 31 |
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For anyone else who might be remotely interested, I *sort of* got
my answer last night at the Ensoniq clinic. Although billed as
an ESQ-1 clinic primarily, most of the time was spent showing how an ESQ
plus two Mirages could sound like everything from the Berlin
Philharmoniker to the Desi Arnaz orchestra playing the "I Love Lucy"
theme.
The clinician built up a drum track in real time on stage while
demonstrating how easy it is to use the sequencer. He used a
Simmons-type patch, with kick on the bottom note and the rest of
the board giving pitched toms. He used a relatively high tom for
his snare, no cymbals. OK for screwing around at home, I think.
On the other hand, he also did a 12 minute demo using the aforementioned
3 machine setup where he soloed over a sequence using one Mirage
primarily as a drum machine including (get this) a drum solo using
a double bass kit (Look out Pete Cook) and fit the *entire* sequence
in 10,000 notes (actually he had 210 bytes of memory left). I think
he made extensive use of repeats to cycle short patterns so as to
save space (you ESQ buffs know what I mean, right? I.e. to have
a pattern of N notes play X times you need N+(X-1) notes of storage).
Whole thing was pretty impressive. Now after I buy my ESQ I'll
need to get two Mirages :-)
BTW, relative to this sampling controversy thing that has been going
on, the clinician demonstrated how you can sample off your turntable
by doing a sampled version of Yes' "Owner of a Lonely Heart" which
was hilarious because half of that song *is* samples.
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830.4 | sequencing external drum machine with ESQ | GIBSON::DICKENS | Distributed System Manglement | Fri Jun 12 1987 15:51 | 17 |
| I'm a new ESQ-1 owner, and I've been seqencing drum tracks for my
TR505 with the ESQ's sequencer. Works great, and you can get any
kind of feel you want, unlike the TR's sequencer.
A neat trick is to use up to all eight tracks in the ESQ's sequencer
to lay down different parts of the drum track, and then merge them
together when you're satisfied with the result.
I discovered a minor nit when using this technique. If you've got
your drum parts in the sequence, you can't use the transpose option
when building a song, because it will transpose the drum sounds
too, which will definitely not give the desired result.
It would be neat if a track could be designated "immune from
transposition" for this kind of application. Maybe for V3.0 ?
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830.5 | Sequencer memory. | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | VAXstation Repo Man | Mon Aug 17 1987 12:40 | 19 |
| Re: Notes versus clocks, and the ESQ sequencer:
The sequencer memory is taken up by note-on's and note-off's, not
by note duration. It costs the same number of bytes to play a scale
in 32nd notes as it does in whole notes.
By the way, controller information (pitch bend, mod wheel, CV pedal,
breath controller, etc) burn storage much more quickly than note
information. That's why "remove controller data" is such a useful
option. (note- it does NOT remove key velocity- that's part of
the note itself.)
Those of you catching sequences from aftertouch keyboards should
be very careful- aftertouch is a controller just like mod wheel,
and uses up storage very quickly. Might be best to either disable
it entirely, or put just the parts that require aftertouch in sequences
with aftertouch enabled, and the rest in non-aftertouch sequences.
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