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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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818.0. "SCI Sequential Circuits MAX Analog Synth" by AQUA::ROST (We don' need no steenking names) Fri May 29 1987 10:17

     I just heard of a dealer closing out the discontinued Sequential
     Circuits MAX keyboard for $300. He has two left. 

     In that price range, I see the only competition in *new* synths as the 
     CZ-101 and in *used* ones, Poly 800s, old Junos, Polysixes, etc.

     The obvious big deal with the MAX is the multi-timbral capablilities and 
     the sequencer.  A lot like an ESQ-1 only more primitive. No touch 
     sensitivity on the keyboard, only 49 keys, no dump of sequence data.

     The obvious drawback is preset voicing only and limited sequencer depth 
     unless you buy a Commodore 64 and the Sequential software which lets you 
     construct patches, do keyboard splits, longer sequences,store data, etc.

     I have had a *lot* of interest in the ESQ-1 but cannot afford it.  A MAX 
     I can probably swing. The sequencer is of big importance to me, I want it 
     because my keyboard skills are minimal and I am interested in using it to 
     study harmony and counterpoint.

     Interestingly enough, although this synth sounds really primitive 
     today, it was only introduced in 1985, when multi-timbral machines with 
     on-board sequencers were unheard of (except Sequential's own Six-Trak)
     and was dropped in mid-86.  Talk about accelerated obsolescence!!!

     I would like to hear from some MAX owners (past or present, I saw a 
     few notes relative to it back aways) who could tell me what they 
     liked/disliked about it.  Is it worth $300?  How about if I can haggle 
     down to say $250 or less?  What is its value later on if I expand my setup 
     and want to use it as a MIDI slave to another keyboard/sequencer?

     Maybe I should remortgage my house, divorce my wife and just buy the 
     ESQ-1. :-)

     Pros and cons anyone?
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818.1Helpful(?) hints...JAWS::COTEThe Voice Of ReasonFri May 29 1987 11:0636
    Some generic (non-MAX specific) things to consider...
    
      1.  As I stated in a previous note, many on board sequencers in
          early synths operated on 'events', not notes. As an example,
          if you need just *1* 16th note in a measure, *all* your other
          notes (1/2, 1/4, 1/8, things with dots) with have to be composed
          of 1 1/16 and an appropriate number of ties to stretch them
          to the proper length. Each tie would represent an event and
          would suck up memory *fast*. Naturally, chords will use 3,
          4 or 5 times as many events.....
    
      1A. Just how many notes/events does the sequencer support? I think
          anything less than ~500 *notes* is useless if you intend to
          use the machine as a 'phantom' bass player or whatever.
        
      2.  Is step time programming even possible? It's not on my Mirage!
          If you're a sloppy keyboardist, step time is an absolute.
          Recently I've found it to be indespensible when scoring.
    
      3.  Is the unit MIDI? Take nothing for granted.
    
      4.  Will it support OMNI-OFF? I went through hell with the JX3-P
          because it didn't. The upgrade was only ~$60 though...
    
      5.  Can the onboard sequencer be externally clocked? If not, it's
          gonna be next to worthless if you ever decide to expand.
    
      6.  Were those full-size keys? Personally, I get tired of those
          mini-keys real quickly.
    
      7.  Lastly, do you like the sound of the synth? Patch editing
          is just so much fun I'm sure you'll want to jump right in
          and start editing up all kinds of new and wondrous sonic
          experiences. Years later....
    
    Edd
818.2Reliability or lack thereofAKOV68::EATONDReeking with profundityFri May 29 1987 12:0116
	The last word on any of Sequential's synths that came out in that time
period is 'reliability'.  Or more specifically, unreliability.  It is said that
the machines that SCI put out then had a horrendous repair record.
That's not to say that the one that *you* buy will have problems, but that it 
was *common* for those synths (the MAx, the MULTI-TRAK, the SIX-TRAK...).

	Just something to consider.  How reliable do you consider the store that
is selling them?  Do they back their products well in the repair dept.?

	$300 is a good price for a MIDI synth, especially a new one.  Personally
I'd be much more likely to recommend a CZ101 that you can edit, which is multi-
timbral, and then keep a hawk's eye out for a used sequencer like an MSQ-100 or
a QX-7 (I found an MSQ-100 for $50!).  Or if you're more interested in the 
analog sound, a Poly 800 (and don't listen to Brad 8^).

	Dan
818.3more opinions (you asked)SAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterFri May 29 1987 18:2210
    re: .0--``Maybe I should remortgage my house, divorce my wife and just
    buy the ESQ-1. :-)''
    
    Remortgaging the house is a good idea, divorcing the wife may set
    you back quite a bit.  I suggest you come to some understanding
    with the wife.  Years ago I agreed not to put the computer terminal
    in the bedroom.  More recently my synth and my daughter's drum set
    are placed out of sight of the living room.  From such thoughtfulness
    comes domestic tranquility. 
        John Sauter
818.4MAXen are great!SKYLRK::MESSENGERThings fall apart-it's scientificFri Jun 19 1987 01:5611
    
    I played a MAX about a year ago, and I *love* them.
    
    No wimpy PD synthesis here. Six *analog* oscillators controlled
    by MIDI digital controller. Yum. It has some *amazing* sounding
    patches.
    
    WHERE, OH WHERE, CAN I GET ONE FOR $300????????????????
    
    ...waiting credit-card in hand...
    				- HBM