Conference napalm::commusic_v1

	I have yet to hear an authentic piano sound on any of the Phase 
distortion synthesizers (CZ101, CZ1000, CZ3000, CZ5000, CZ1).  The newer CZ1
had a *better* sound on the piano voices, but that's mostly because it is 
velocity sensitive.  I have a sound on mine that is a good piano (not *very* 
good, though), but its realistic sound is limited to about an octive and a half 
in the upper mid-range.  Real high and low notes just don't cut it.  I tend to 
doubt a realistic piano sound is possible in these machines.

>    (the sound I have in mind is available preprogrammed on the
>     tiny CASIO Sampling Keyboard).

	Don't confuse the SZ's with the CZ's!  They are entirely different
architectures.  The SZ's are samplers (albeit low-grade samplers).  The CZ's
are phase distortion synthesizers.  Any similarity in sound is entirely
accidental or is due to the SZ sampling a CZ.

	Now if you wanted a good ELECTRIC piano (Rhodes or whatever) from your
CZ5000, *that* we can accomodate!
    
	Dan

    I'm interested even in an octave and a half of any sort of good piano
    and especially in a Rhodes - sound, while I'm on the subject is
    there any way of defaulting the sequencer at start up time ie. beats
    (HML-) and tempo == There is no mention in the manual
    
    Cheers,
    Brian.   

    I'll second Dan's observations.  I've tried several times to get
    a realistic piano out of my CZ-101 to no avail (mostly as an
    "intellectual exercise"; the pianos in my MKS-80 and JX-10 are good
    enough for my needs).
    
    One of the things that strongly characterizes the piano's sound
    is the presence of a harmonic about two octaves plus a 7th (major
    or minor, you get to take your pick) above the fundamental.  You
    can do this with the detune feature of the CZ series, using the
    1+2' configuration, but I haven't been able to get it to sound right
    yet.  The envelopes are certainly flexible enough to simulate a
    piano, but the waveforms don't seem appropriate.
    
    Another thing I haven't been able to get out of the CZ is a set
    of good pads.  Of course, my standard of reference is my JX (which
    has some absolutely gorgeous pads), and it's not really fair to
    compare the CZ to a synth that costs almost 10 times as much...
    
    len.
    

    After playing with a CZ-101 and a TX-81Z for a while now, I find
    that the path to trying to 'emulate' other sounds isn't nearly as
    fruitful for me as just trying to get out sounds that fit the music.
    The 101 is great for some things, the 81Z is great for some things.
    Both shine for getting sounds that fit, but neither shines if
    you're always playing the now-if-I-can-get-a-realistic-*-out-of-it
    game.  Nobody asked for
    	          cares about
    		  really needs my opinion, just my 2�.
    
    Steve

>	Don't confuse the SZ's with the CZ's!  They are entirely different
I think you mean the SK series, here.  The SK's are non-midi samplers.

Oh, and don't confust the SK's with the FZ's.  The FZ's are Casio's new
pro sampler line (MIDI and high price range).

Oh yea, and don't confuse the HT series of Casio to the CT series.
All HT's have MIDI - only some CT's have MIDI.

And don't confuse the CT series with the CZ series.
All CZ's are MIDI.

And don't confuse the CZ series with the CPS series.
The CPS series are piano emulators.

Oh, and don't confuse the MT series or the PT series with the CT series.
The MT's are mini keyed non-midi "instruments", and the PT's are kiddy
toys (available in pink, yellow, light blue, magenta, cobalt blue, deep
blue, red, and my personal favorite, ivory).

And don't confuse the RZ-1 with the SZ-1 or the AZ-1 (or the CZ-1 - see
above).  The RZ-1 is a drum machine, the SZ-1 is a sequencer, and the AZ-1
is a remote keyboard controller (see Ron Ross for more info).

Piece of cake...

Todd who wants a DZ-1 with some DZ-20s pads.

RE < Note 807.5 by BARNUM::RHODES >

	You're right, SK, not SZ.

    
    	re .5	and don't confuse Yamaha's KT's with their KX's, or their
    FZ's, or YZ's or RD's, or TX's 
    
    	Reg  (who_really prefers Hondas anyway)
    

	I have published the two piano patches I referred to earlier in topic
number 295, the 34th and 35th reply (or was it 35 and 36?).  I've used the 
Rhodes patch a lot, but the Acoustic piano patch was more of a novelty than 
anything else.  Hope they help!

	Dan