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642.1 | No funnies here. | MOZART::KLOSTERMAN | Stevie K | Mon Jan 12 1987 11:53 | 10 |
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> ANYONE ELSE HAVEING ANY ESQ-1 PROBLEMS ??????
I haven't had any ESQ-1 problems.
Does it do it every time you power up? Or, for that matter, does it do
it every time? If you're in a different menu (SEQ) do the buttons still
misbehave?
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642.2 | questions about the ESQ-1 | MOJAVE::W_JOHNSON | | Mon Jan 12 1987 12:04 | 24 |
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I'm thinking of becoming one the many happey owners of an ESQ-1.
I've only had a limited amount of time playing with it, and I'm
very impressed with the sounds, and with the keyboard. I'd like
to ask you more experienced user's a few questions:
1. How does it measure up as a live performance keyboard. Is it
relatively easy to change sounds midstream in a tune?
2. How hard is it to leatn how to program. I noticed it does come
with a pretty beefy manual.
3. What exactly can be stored? Can you store a layered sound? And
can you store a split sound (split keyboard, that is)? And can you
store a split, layered sound?
4. If split & layered sounds cannot be stored, how quickly can they
be created from other presets? In other words, would I be able to
switch from a full keyboard sound to a split sound in the middle
of a tune?
5. The bottom line: how much does it cost?
Thanks for any help you can give me.
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642.3 | flakey buttons | BARNUM::RENE | | Mon Jan 12 1987 12:21 | 12 |
| re .1
The buttons act funny in all menues. It is always the same buttons
too. I forgot to mention that I did get it to work once by turning
the power on and of about n times. This method however hasen't worked
since. If it is a software problem, is there any way to do a complete
reboot ? If it is a hardware problem, ummmmmmmmm ????
thanks for the replies
Frank
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642.4 | buy an ESQ-1 | BARNUM::RENE | | Mon Jan 12 1987 12:34 | 18 |
| re .2
1) changing from sound to sound in a live performance is done
almost instantly ( 2 button presses max for internaly stored
and 3 for EEprom storage.)
2) it programs very much like traditional analog synths
i.e. waveforms ( 32 to choose from) oscillators, amplifiers,
filter etc. it is not the 6 operator nightmare of the DX7.
The better part of the manual is dedicated towards the ESQ-1's
8 track sequencer which is very powerful.
3) you can create split or layered or split-layered and save the
program just like you would for a single sound. therefore,
press a two buttons and you go from brass to a piano-string
layer with a slap bass split !
Frank.
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642.5 | esq's sequencer | HOLST::BARTH | | Mon Jan 12 1987 16:39 | 10 |
| I've got some questions concerning the sequencer on the ESQ-1.
How many songs can you store on board at a time?
Can you use the RAM cartridge to store sequences, or is the only
way of storing sequences externally via a hookup to the disk drive
of a mirage?
In other words, could I use the ESQ-1 to sequence a whole evening's
worth of material without getting a mirage also?
Ron
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642.6 | how much? | MOJAVE::W_JOHNSON | | Mon Jan 12 1987 18:09 | 5 |
| re .4
Thanks for the info - how 'bout the price tag? Is this miracle machine
affordable? I heard it was going for a hard to believe $1300!
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642.7 | 30 sequences into 10 songs | RDGE28::NORTON | | Tue Jan 13 1987 06:04 | 26 |
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As far as I'm aware, the only way to save sequences is
1- to tape
2- to Mirage disk
3- on the sequencer expander cartridge which merely gives you more
sequencer memory - 10,000 events. Its not easily exchangable
since it initialises all sequencer memory when you fit it +
you still only get 30 sequences 10 songs.
As far as problems go I havn't really had any - other than sometimes
a menu 'jams' up. Switching off and on again instantly clears the
problem.
The 'Chunky' manual may be big but I don't think it's very *good*
After living with the synth a while, I have become very unhappy
with the preset sounds. I just don't think they are *that* good
anymore. Although I admit I am inexperienced with Polysynths I find
it quite difficult getting sounds that are any better myself.
Finally though it is excellent value for money - 1225 pounds in the
UK ( if you can find one that is) .
Andrew
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642.8 | in US bucks | BARNUM::RENE | | Tue Jan 13 1987 08:31 | 7 |
| yep, list price is around $1395 US bucks. I lucked out and bought
mine USED ! If you live in the New England area, keep track of the
Want ADvertiser. There are lots of good deals if you read through
each ad. i.e. I found the ESQ-1 buried in a long paragraph for an
ad for a TR-707.
Frank
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642.9 | Watch out for static. | NIMBUS::DAVIS | | Tue Jan 13 1987 09:38 | 14 |
| My friend has an ESQ-1 which he's very happy with. The first one
he got had a bad power supply and had to be returned. This on eworks
very well, but is sensitive to static electicity. It will jump to
another menu page if you are charged and touch the casing. The "flakey"
buttons described in previous notes sound like a hardware propblem
to me, take it back for repairs.
Regarding the sequencer storage - you get (with the expander cartridge)
10,000 notes to use in 30 sequences, which can be combined into
10 songs. This might be pretty close to enough for a set of music,
if some of your pieces just use simple sequences and not full blown
song structures.
Rob
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642.10 | A guess, just a guess.... | EUREKA::REG_B | Moutain Man(iac) | Tue Jan 13 1987 10:31 | 13 |
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Duh, dunno if I should venture a guess on the problem in .0,
might as well. I am *NOT* familiar with the instrument, so this
is a sweeping generalization about a place that may be worth a check.
Does it have any non volatile memory ? i.e. can you make settings,
store sequences, etc., then pull the power cord out of the wall
and truck it off to a gig ? If so then it will have some kind
of a battery pack somewhere, and the symptoms you describe *COULD*
be indicative of insufficient volts.
Reg
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642.11 | | RDGE28::NORTON | | Tue Jan 13 1987 10:47 | 5 |
| re -1 The ESQ DOES have a battery - the user guide claims the software
will give you an error message if it needs replacing ??
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642.12 | BBU | BARNUM::RENE | | Tue Jan 13 1987 10:47 | 11 |
| re .10
Yes Reg, all programs and sequences are stored in 'nonvolatile'
memory which is battery backed up. As for insufficient volts, well
maybe but I would probably expect lots of other funnies to be
happening if that were the case. I'm beginning to believe that it
is a *yuck* hardware problem......
thanks
Frank
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642.13 | problem SOLVED,interested? | BARNUM::RENE | | Tue Jan 20 1987 11:01 | 12 |
| If anyone is interested I found the problem with my ESQ-1 with
the help of Daddy's in Salem. Under the display there are two
circuit boards sandwiched together (.25" maybe). One of the functions
of these boards is to determine which button is pressed and process
the switch closure. Pins from an IC from
the upper board weren't cut properly
and were sticking into the board below it !!! It took a few months
of use before a pin broke through the shell of a disk capacitor.
Replacing and repositioning of the cap, insulating tape and a pair
of wire cutters did the trick.
now, back to PLAYING the beast !!!!!
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642.14 | Enraged troubleshooter protests. | EUREKA::REG_B | Moutain Man(iac) | Mon Jan 26 1987 09:47 | 8 |
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Foul ! I coulda told ya that was the problem if you'd published
the circuit schematics, physical component layouts, assembly and
manufacturing processes, q.c. sheets, etc. You didn't give us
pro troubleshooters a chance !
Reg
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642.15 | enraged troubleshooters | BARNUM::RENE | | Mon Jan 26 1987 11:43 | 5 |
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How thoughtless of me !!!!
8^)
Frank
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642.16 | Sequence/Patch Backup | DYO780::SCHAFER | ROCK the planet | Tue Jan 27 1987 10:49 | 9 |
| I looked around here and in 584 but couldn't find the answer, so here
goes ...
I know that it's supposedly easy to dump sequences/patches from the ESQ
to a Mirage. What if you don't have a Mirage? Then how are patches /
sequences stored? Are we forced to use (gag) tape backup? Cartridges?
Pencil and paper?
8^)
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642.17 | ESQ-1 backup media | MAHLER::KLOSTERMAN | Stevie K | Tue Jan 27 1987 10:54 | 4 |
| re:16
Tape...or pencil and paper. Ensoniq also sells some add on gadget that
contains just the disk drive. Don't know any more about it.
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642.18 | Really, I don't mind doing it.... | JAWS::COTE | Everything but the bitchin' sync... | Tue Jan 27 1987 11:35 | 4 |
| Mail the ESQ-1 to me. I'll back up your patch and get the unit back
to you within a month, I promise.
Edd
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642.19 | A quick question | TOPDOC::W_JOHNSON | | Tue Feb 17 1987 10:19 | 6 |
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I have a quick very basic ESQ-1 question - can you change split
the keyboard so you have, say, the top 3 octaves of a piano sound
on the left side of the keyboard, and then the top 3 octaves of
the synth sound on the right side?
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642.20 | ex | BARNUM::RENE | 8 voices enuff ?? | Tue Feb 17 1987 10:32 | 7 |
| you can have a split with top 3 octaves of piano on bottom and top
three octaves of a synth on top. you would have to go in to your
piano program and just shift the octave parameter of the three
oscillators up three ocataves and save this new program and use
it in the new split program.....
Frank
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642.21 | A possible limitation? | MOJAVE::W_JOHNSON | | Mon Mar 09 1987 17:50 | 15 |
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Hi : Another ESQ-1 naive question - I've played with a friend's
ESQ-1 a bit and I've had problems when layering and splitting at
the same time. If there are two sounds layered on each side of a
split, and I'm using the sustain pedal, some of the keys I hit do
not sound. This is only hitting two keys at a time on each side,
so I don't think it's because I'm trying to play too many notes
at a time. Or could it be because between sustained notes and newly
struck keys, there are too many notes?
Any else had similar problems? I'm very seriously considering getting
one of these babies, but I'm trying to check it out very thoroughly
first. that'll be a first for me.
Wayne Johnson
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642.22 | 8 voices enuff ? | BARNUM::RENE | The world IS a continuous function | Tue Mar 10 1987 08:48 | 15 |
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Hi Wayne,
The ESQ-1 is an 8-voice synth. If you have a split where the bottom
is a layer and the top is also a layer, the max amount of notes
that can be played is two on the bottom (2x2 voices= 4 voices) and
likewise on the top ( 4 voices on the bottom + 4 voices on top =
8 voices total....that's all that's available.) I've never tried
your particular split/layer combination.
If you have trouble with just 2 notes per half, I don't
know what is wrong....I'll have to try this and see...
good luck
Frank
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642.23 | Slight nit | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Wed Mar 11 1987 10:27 | 11 |
| re: .22
Actually if you've got a split where the both the top and bottom
are layered, you have somewhat more flexibility than 2 notes on
the top and two on the bottom.
It's more accurate to say that you can play 4 notes in any distribution
between the top and the bottom. (For example, you can play 3 on
the bottom and one on the top.)
db
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642.24 | yeah, ok | BARNUM::RENE | The world IS a continuous function | Thu Mar 12 1987 09:10 | 15 |
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........weeeeeeell,..........yeah,......ok .. Dave.......
I guess you're right.................!
"I like my ESQ-1"
\ /
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:^) )
Frank
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642.25 | Pitch bend wheel accuracy | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Wed Mar 18 1987 10:26 | 37 |
| I think I've discovered a problem with the ESQ-1:
The ESQ-1 comes with a pitch bend wheel. The function of the pitch
bend wheel is not associated with the patch. Its function is
controlled by a parameters on the master setup page, and thus
works the same way for all patches.
One of the pitch bend wheel parameters that you can diddle is the
range. That is how much the pitch is altered. According to the
manual, the range setting is adjust by semi-tones.
So far example, setting range to 1 means rotating the wheel all
the way down (or up) will lower the pitch one semi-tone (C will
get lowered to B for example).
My band is doing a song that requires me to to bend a chord down
a minor third which is 3 semi-tones (can anyone guess what song
this is? It was a big radio hit a year or so ago.). I set the
range parameter accordingly but to my dismay it bends down about
3.5 semi-tones. Do all ESQ-1's do this, or is this a bug in mine?
The experiment to make is set range (i think thats what the parameter
is called) to 3. Then hit a C and turn the pitch bend wheel all
the way down. Release the wheel and then play an A. What I want
to know is if the bent C and the A play the same pitch.
I'd really appreciate other people giving this a try and letting
me know what they find.
Or is it that I'm misunderstanding something?
Needless to say, this isn't a major stopping problem. I can of
course stop the bend when I hear it hits the right pitch, but it
would make it easier to perform if I could rely on just turning
the wheel all the way and getting the right pitch.
db
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642.26 | Top 40 strikes again | PIXEL::COHEN | Richard Cohen | Wed Mar 18 1987 10:34 | 5 |
| I'll bet the song is Heart's "These Dreams" (I was in a band that
did it)
- Rick
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642.27 | Beat me to it! | JUNIOR::DREHER | Maintaining self-readiness | Wed Mar 18 1987 11:03 | 5 |
| re: .25 I have it sequenced, if you're interested.
It's recorded on an MC500 using 3 MIDI channels but
can be copied real time to another sequencer.
Dave
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642.28 | Pitch bend - ESQ feature | TALLIS::KLOSTERMAN | Stevie K | Wed Mar 18 1987 11:11 | 6 |
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Mine does the same thing. Depending on your point of view it's
either a feature or a bug. I can think of instances when you'd want to
be able to bend a little beyond the range then to the correct pitch
as a technique. But you're right, it takes the mindlessness out of
pitch-bending.
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642.29 | Get bent... | JAWS::COTE | Fight for your right to pate'.. | Wed Mar 18 1987 11:51 | 5 |
| Am I hearing this right? There is only a *global* pitch bend range
parameter? Can the PB be shut off for selected patches when doing
splits and layers, or will everything bend simultaneously?
Edd
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642.30 | or is that a major third? | JON::ROSS | wockin' juan | Wed Mar 18 1987 13:44 | 8 |
|
gee. I thought it was a cover of Beethoven's "5th".
sigh.
juan.
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642.31 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Wed Mar 18 1987 14:00 | 18 |
| Somehow I just knew that people would be able to identify that tune
on the sole basis of that bend.
re: (Dave Dreher & Rick Cohen)
I would appreciate the sequence data. But actually, what I'd like
more is to compare notes on the chord voicings. I just started working
on it, and while I know I have the right chords, I'm not sure of
the voicings. I have a hard time figuring out chord voicings played
using string patches. Would be terrific if I could get something on
the order of an informal chart for the tune.
If you think you can help me out, contact me by mail.
re: Stevie K.
Thanks for the information. In my opinion it's a bug, but I doubt
I have any choice but to live with it.
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642.32 | Never hurts to call... | LDP::WEAVER | Laboratory Data Products | Wed Mar 18 1987 22:28 | 9 |
| Re: .31
My impression is that the music industry is not as scared of ROM
updates as the computer industry. It probably depends on the
manufacturer, but it certainly couldn't hurt to call an register
a complaint. You never know, a new set of ROMS could be in the
mail tommorrow, or at least available to authorized dealers.
-Dave
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642.33 | Squeal on powerdown | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Thu Mar 19 1987 10:06 | 15 |
| I'm having another problem which I'd like to know if its common
to all ESQ-1's:
When I turn the thing off, it often makes a very loud squeal (that
rises in pitch) that I believe is quite capable of damaging the
stuff it's connected to.
For the moment, I'm just shutting the ESQ-1 off last, but I normally
have all my stuff set up so that I can flick one switch to turn everything
on or off and I'd like to keep it that way.
Dave Blickstein
P.S. Anyone got a good "breathy" flute patch? If so, please publish
it or send it to me.
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642.34 | I'm OK !! | RDGE00::NORTON | | Thu Mar 19 1987 11:16 | 13 |
| 1) Pitch bend - My Esq1 is fine. I played a C chord bent it down
3 semitones (ie pitch bend wheel all the way) ,
held the bent chord with the sustain pedal ( ie
pitch bend mode = "HELD" in master menu).
Play an 'unbent' A chord on top and it's spot on !
2) Powering off - When I took my ESQ for an operating system upgrade,
the engineer told me ALWAYS to switch the ESQ
off with the ESQ's power switch - Not just at
mains. He said it can really screw up otherwise.
I don't get any nasty noises either.
Andrew
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642.35 | That's a feature!!! | JAWS::COTE | Fight for your right to pate'.. | Thu Mar 19 1987 11:38 | 7 |
| My Mirage also does the wierdest things if I use the power distribution
switch rather than the on/off switch on the unit.
Maybe it's Ensoniq in general?
Edd
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642.36 | re -1, -2 power up | COROT::CERTO | | Thu Mar 19 1987 13:54 | 11 |
|
Radio Shack sells this unit that may help with power ups/downs.
You connect your ESQ-1 or Mirage's AC plug into the unit and it
senses whether power is being used or not and then turns other
equipment pluged into it on or off.
So you turn on the ESQ-1 and everything else comes on, a second
later. (is that long enough?)
Fredric
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642.37 | gee mr. wizard....but | GNERIC::ROSS | we have good gnus and bad gnus | Fri Mar 20 1987 08:10 | 13 |
| WHAT???!@#$
I gotta think about this one. I can see no reason why\
there would be a difference throwing a switch right near
the transformer or throwing one a way down the line,
except that there are other primaries in series with it....
They must have what is called a "novel design" around the
power supply.
Does this effect happen also with ONLY the esq connected
to the 'remote' on off switch?
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642.38 | Another question... | ECADSR::SHERMAN | You have *my* word on it... | Fri Mar 20 1987 09:37 | 9 |
| I'm just curious (and poor). But, how feasible would it be to have an
ESQ-1 sync its sequencer to a MIDI clock generated by a TR-505?
Would the 505 be able to do its own sequence while the ESQ-1 does its
sequence? It seems like this kind of setup might be a good starter
system. Besides event limits, what disadvantages would this system
have, assuming it would work okay? Thanks!
Steve
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642.39 | re: .3n | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Fri Mar 20 1987 10:50 | 27 |
| re: .38 (Steve Sherman)
I'm just short of positive that that can be done. I think the ESQ-1
sequencer can sync to an external clock (I *know* it can sync to
an FSK signal coming off a tape). Anyway, I'm planning to do
essentially what you've asked except that I think you'd find that what
you really want to do is have the TR-505 sync to the ESQ-1 clock
rather than vice-versa. The question than becomes, can the TR-505
sync to an external clock? I would think so.
The ESQ-1 manual has a whole section on using the sequencer with drum
machines.
re: .36
Sounds interesting.
re: Pitch bend problem
I figured it out. The manual says that you set the range parameter
to the number of semi-tones you want the thing to bend to. Turns
out the documentation has a "one-off" problem. RANGE=0 bends 1
semi-tone, RANGE=1 bends 2 semi-tones, etc. Setting the range to
3 bends a minor third just fine.
db
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642.40 | No problems !! | RDGE28::NORTON | | Fri Mar 20 1987 11:01 | 11 |
|
The ESQ1 syncs from the TR505 - No problems
The TR505 syncs from the ESQ1 - No problems
I find it easier to sync the TR505 from the ESQ1.
The ESQ1 can sequence TR505 sounds with dynamics at the expense
of sequencer memory
Andrew
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642.41 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Mon Mar 23 1987 10:27 | 58 |
| More ESQ-1 Questions:
1) Is there a way to step BACKWARDS while editing a track in STEP mode?
If not, there certainly oughta be.
2) Can anyone tell me if the amount of tape needed to store sequencer
data is a function of:
a) Amount of sequencer storage currently in use
and/or
b) Whether the expansion option has been installed
Why do I ask? I expect to often have several things cooking
at once. I'd like to have one "work" tape for sequencer data.
Suppose I record SONG A sequence data on the tape and then
record SONG B sequence data after SONG A. Now I add some stuff
to SONG A which I want to write over the old SONG A data. I
have to worry about the end of SONG A overlapping the beginning
of SONG B. So I have to figure out how much of a gap to leave
between the two songs.
I haven't bought the sequencer expansion option, but I expect
to (so far, I haven't come close to running out of space).
3) Patches I would like to have:
a) Thunder e) single violin
b) Wind f) single trumpet
c) Breathy Flute g) Tubular Bells
d) Regular flute h) More Hammond C-3 sounds
4) I would love to setup a clearing house of ESQ-1 patches and
sequencer data. I'd even volunteer to coordinate it in much
the same way that the COMMUSIC tapes have been done. If you're
interested, send me mail. If there's sufficient interest, I'll
get things started and post a note in this conference.
5) Some of you ESQ-1 owners may not be aware that there is an ESQ-1
discussion on the usenet (portions of which have been published
elsewhere in this conference). What I'm thinking of doing is
setting up a ESQ-1 distribution list on my u-vax so that you
can send mail to DREGS::ESQ1 and it will automatically gets sent
to anyone on the list. I would probably automatically forward
all stuff I get from the USENET to this list. Again, if you're
interested, let me know.
I find that the value of any piece of technology can be tremendously
enhanced/exploited by better communication among the users of the
technology. By sharing insights and information we get to know
the technology better and learn all the tricks/opportunities/quirks/etc
that it presents. I'd like to see a real high level of this kind
of thing for the ESQ-1.
Dave Blickstein
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642.42 | How to get r�tards with a sequencer | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Tue Mar 24 1987 14:04 | 32 |
| Just discovered an interesting trick to get around what I knew in
advance would be a severe limitation of the ESQ-1 sequencer.
The ESQ-1 doesn't provide any hooks to program in r�tards (a gradual
slowing of the tempo). This is true of many sequencers so I don't
specifically "fault" the ESQ-1 for not having it. R�tards are a
common thing to do at the end of a piece (I hate "fade-outs") among
other things.
Well, you can accomplish a retard by slowing the tempo down manually
during sequencer playback with the data entry slider while recording
your sync track. The net effect is that the sync track will be
recorded with a builtin retard. It might require a little practice
and maybe a couple of takes to get it right.
Only awkward thing about this method is that when you're recording
your sequences, you have to do it at tempo and that makes it hard
to get the right "feel" that you want with the r�tard. It's also
a royal pain trying to program the drum fill patterns that typically
come along with a r�tard when you have to program them at a constant
tempo.
But it's better than nothing.
Once again, forgive me if I'm merely stating a well-known method.
I'm new to all this and don't know all the tricks. Rather share
whatever insights I manage to get rather than risk not sharing a
truly useful one.
Stay tuned,
db
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642.43 | it's too smart | BARNUM::RENE | tic,tic,tic...from the edge | Tue Mar 24 1987 15:01 | 4 |
| re .42
you want to RETARD a piece dave? is it too smart ? 8^)
Frank
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642.44 | Knew someone would pick up on that straight line | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Tue Mar 24 1987 16:52 | 5 |
| re: .43
You should be ashamed of that pun ;-)
db
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642.45 | there once was a girl from | JON::ROSS | wockin' juan | Tue Mar 24 1987 18:22 | 12 |
|
oh my
**** GAWD ****
**** TAWD ****
you been sniffing the ink off fresh Keyboard mags?
sheesh.
[name witheld pending investigation]
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642.46 | And After Ritardando Comes Arrestando. | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Wed Mar 25 1987 11:13 | 5 |
| Well, it's "rItard" anyway, the Italians having snarfed up the lead
for musical terminology.
len.
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642.47 | It's just software.... | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Thu Mar 26 1987 10:10 | 15 |
| Is there a way on the ESQ-1 of assigning voices to incoming MIDI
channels? For example:
Stuff received on MIDI channel 1 goes to VIOLIN patch
Stuff received on MIDI channel 2 goes to PIANO patch
etc.
I didn't understand a lot of the section on MIDI modes.
Does any other multi-timbral synth have a feature like this.
Can't imagine it would be all that hard for the ESQ-1. It's just
software right?
db
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642.48 | mapping MIDI | BARNUM::RENE | tic,tic,tic...from the edge | Thu Mar 26 1987 11:46 | 14 |
|
Since the MIDI page on the ESQ-1 is a global page ( similar
to master tuning) I doubt that the MIDI channel could be made part
of the individual program. Now that I think about it, the internal
sequencer sort of does this by being able to assign different programs
to separate tracks. Now if we could assign a MIDI channel to a
program .........mmmmmmmm.......what a feature!
from another controler, the ESQ-1 could look like 16 separate synths!
wow.
Frank
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642.49 | Stereo on ESQ-1 is the achilles heal of the synth | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Thu Mar 26 1987 14:03 | 32 |
| Yes, see the thing is that the manual brags about how the sequencer
and the synth are designed to work together, but here is a case
where it would be better if they were less intertwined.
I think it would have been better if the sequencer didn't have the
concept of a "local" track, and instead had all MIDI tracks and
controlled volume level through the MIDI volume feature.
Now, if they aren't going to give us that, I think the least they
could have given us was a "Pan" feature IN THE SEQUENCER for local
tracks (this would be one of the sequencers MIX pages).
I find the stereo feature of the ESQ-1 to be poorly designed. Perhaps
even worthless. If you could do any of the following it would have
been worthwhile but none of the following can be done:
1) Stereo delay effects (no support at all)
2) Panning the individual oscillators in a patch
3) Panning tracks in the sequencer
All you can do is pan the patch itself. Big deal!
You can sorta do (2) for two voices using a LAYER, but that's sorta
an obtuse way to go about things.
Is the only thing that differentiates the left and right outputs
the PAN setting on DCO4? Or are there other things that cause stereo
effects?
db
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642.50 | I'm Not Sure This Makes Sense | AQUA::ROST | The acid is beginning to kick in | Thu Mar 26 1987 17:02 | 7 |
| I don't own an ESQ-1 so this may sound stupid, but I remember at the
demo I got at Union Music, that when you call up the screen that
assigns the sequencer tracks as local, MIDI or both, that there
was a fourth option called "sequencer" or something that allowed
the sound to be controlled from an external device. Did I
misunderstand this or is the problem that when you use this mode,
you cannot set separate MIDI channels for each "track"????
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642.51 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Thu Mar 26 1987 17:48 | 4 |
| re: .50
Intriguing. Will have to look closer at that. That may be the
hook to do it.
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642.52 | | RDGE00::NORTON | | Fri Mar 27 1987 04:01 | 30 |
| I feel pretty sure that it can be done.
The midi master page just sets the default mode stuff.
When you want to make full use of the multitimbral functionality
and midi you use the sequencer page with program number,volume,midi
channel etc.
You can set up a TEMPLATE which is not a sequence but just an
arrangement of midi channel numbers, volumes, program numbers and
status (ie midi + local, just local, just midi or sequencer.
I have always used it with the ESQ as the controller. with this
system you just have to select a different template to get a completely
different midi setup. The template automatically sends patch change
information to all the midied devices. Its pretty neat.
I think to do what you need you have to set the midi number to the
recieve number, the patch to the internal program you want, the
volume to the volume you want and the status to SEQ. I only say
that though because its the only one I haven't used !! Because
there's 8 tracks on the sequencer page, you can set up a different
config for each of the 8 available voices on one template.
Its all in the manual !!
You can modulate PAN with any of the modulators, including envelope
and KEYBOARD. The only trouble is that it is on a patch basis.
Andrew
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642.53 | mix/midi | BARNUM::RENE | tic,tic,tic...from the edge | Fri Mar 27 1987 08:34 | 11 |
|
re -1
Thanks Andrew !
I've never used the 'sequencer' select on the mix/midi page. I'll
have to try it!
Frank
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642.54 | Multi MIDI mode | NIMBUS::DAVIS | | Fri Mar 27 1987 09:04 | 28 |
| RE: .47 et al
As I mentioned over in the note regarding the Dr. T KCS for Atari,
the ESQ handles multi-timbral mode on different incoming MIDI channels
very well. The MIDI/mix page in the sequencer section is the key
to this. Just set a sequence to have each track on a different MIDI
channel and start sending from an external sequencer. You can set
the instrument and mix by hand, or let the external sequencer handle
that as well. The different channels will respond to MIDI program
changes and the mix responds to MIDI controller 7 (volume) I believe.
I haven't seen any other synth that works in multi-timbral mode
so well. My CZ-101 is multi-timbral, but only lets you select a
"base" channel, is mono only in this mode, has no mixing ability,
etc., etc,. The ESQ is really a joy to work with.
The only problem we've encountered so far is it sometimes doesn't
respond to MIDI properly on power up, we have to go to the MIDI
page and switch the mode parameter back and forth.
Beyond that, we also use the KCS to set up patches for each song.
If the ESQ is to be used for manually playing two different sounds
in one piece, we select the first sound, modify the final DCA parameter
by sys-ex messages to "mix" the volume, and then select a second sound.
The first "mixed" sound selected ends up in the change buffer, since
we've actually editted the sound under sequencer control, so all
you have to do to switch back and forth is hit the "change" button.
Rob
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642.55 | Pre-2.0 sysex message? | MERIDN::BULMER | Life is a Classic Performance | Mon Apr 13 1987 19:59 | 18 |
| I have an ESQ-1 with software version 1.7 but the "Musicians Manual"
that came with it specifies version 2.0. I am having problems making
the ESQ-1 system exclusive message header work, i.e. my ESQ-1 does
not seem to recognize the sysex message listed in my version 2.0
manual.
Can anyone give me the system exclusive message pre-2.0? I would
certainly appreciate it until I can get the ESQ-1 into the dealers
for software upgrade. I am working on a little ESQ-1 librarian
for my Yamaha CX5M and can't do diddly without the ESQ-1 acknowledging
the sysex message.
P.S. I am very sure that I have the MIDI page set up correctly,
or at least as best as I can tell from the mis-matched manual.
Thanx much in advance,
Steve Bulmer (who really likes his ESQ-1!)
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642.56 | You got the right byte? | NIMBUS::DAVIS | | Tue Apr 14 1987 10:02 | 10 |
| Exactly which sysex message are you trying to use? Might be that
your problem is just a poorly written section of the manual. We had a
lot of trouble trying to get my friend's ESQ to recognize a parameter
change message because the manual wasn't clear about the exact content
of the message. Turned out that we needed to send a combination
of bytes that was only vaguely implied by the MIDI message table
in the manual. I'm not sure which version my friend's ESQ is, but
I'll check tonight to see if it might be pre-V2.
Rob
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642.57 | bending from heaven to hell | BARNUM::RENE | not THOSE potatos. | Tue Apr 14 1987 16:00 | 19 |
|
One fine day I turned on my ESQ-1 and started to play it.
I had the pitch bend parameter set at 3 which is +/- a major third,
I think. I go to use the pitch bend and instead of a major third,
I get something like +/- 6 OCATAVES !!( out of the hearing range on
the highs and individual beats on the low side). When I try to set
it back, the lowest value I can get with either the slider or the
up/down buttons is 48 which is about +/- 3 octaves and the highest
value I could get was 63 which was about +/- 6 ocatves. If I remember
correctly, didn't the pitch bend have a max of +/- 1 octave ?? Whatever
happened rendered the pitch bend wheel useless.(except for doing
the synth solo in Edgar Winter's Frankenstein) 8^)
Anyone got any ideas on how to correct this ???
Thanks
Frank
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642.58 | Send in an SPR | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Tue Apr 14 1987 16:15 | 22 |
| You mean it does this even if you turn the unit on and off?
Only thing I can think to suggest is to try changing that setting
via MIDI. You'll need something to generate the MIDI data like
a PC with a sequencer.
That is bizarre. That's what you get when you buy a synthesizer
that's implemented via software. Anyone remember all those fun
VT100 microcode bugs. Especially ESC [ 1 5 5 q, which put the
VT100 into "music mode"!
I just bought one of those 80 program expander cartridges. Daddy's gave
me 80 programs with it. Some of the programs are real decent.
There's a nice series of choir sounds, and an "ahhh" sound which
sounds like 125 people singing "ahh" (it's based on one of the sampled
wave forms). Reminded us of one of the sounds Emerson used in the
intro to "The Score".
I got all excited when I saw FLUTE but it's far from what I wanted.
Just not "breathy" enough.
db
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642.59 | see other note | RDGE00::NORTON | | Wed Apr 15 1987 04:39 | 5 |
| See my reply 656.4 for a complete list of what factory patches are
availiable on ESQ cartridges
Andrew
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642.60 | MIDI volume pitfall on ESQ-1 | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Wed Apr 15 1987 11:13 | 36 |
| re: .59
Thanks.
Discovered another ESQ-1 problem although it may be a feature.
My ESQ-1 stopped making sound rather suddenly last night. Everything
seemed to work ok but no sound came out either in mono or stereo.
To make a long (painful) story short, I eventually figured out that
I had turned the MIDI volume of the ESQ-1 off using the external
volume feature of my MIDI controller, and then unplugged ESQ's MIDI
in.
This apparently left the ESQ-1 in MIDI volume off. I would have
thought that unplugging it would have "reset" the MIDI volume but
it didn't. In fact, it remembers the MIDI volume even if you turn
the unit off.
This leads to to ask a question: How is MIDI volume implemented?
Is it a continuous signal? Intermitant signal? Does it only send
out messages when the volume is changed?
So the bottom line is that there is a way you can subtlely "disable"
your ESQ which is by turning the MIDI volume off from an external
controller and then unplugging the MIDI cable. The only way to
"restore" the ESQ is to restore the MIDI volume.
Do other synths work like this? If so I imagine that this could
be a problem if you're using the ESQ-1 to sequence other devices.
I think that the MIDI/MIX feature that allows you to mix the tracks
directly from the ESQ-1 probably sends out MIDI volume information,
and who knows if it attempts to reset the MIDI volume when the track
is done or interrupted?
db
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642.61 | Can I get some of these pataches | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Wed Apr 15 1987 11:16 | 10 |
| re: .59
I don't have any of the cartridge II sounds. Is anyone willing
to provide me with them?
Is this a "legal" request? I've heard that Enosoniq distributes
these for free at clinics and through music stores so I think the
answer is yes, but I can't be certain.
db
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642.62 | Gotta be a "set y'self to this" message... | MENTOR::REG | Who is Sylvester McCoy | Wed Apr 15 1987 12:58 | 17 |
| re .60 I think MIDI volume is implemented as a message that
goes out sayin', essentially, "here's a new volume setting for Ya
tone generator, have at it at this level 'til I tell ya summat
different". I reached this startling conclusion by trying to turn
off one of my KX 88 channels with the CS 3 (or CS 4, they both do it),
the FB 01 went quiet on that voice until I touched the foot controller,
then the voice came back up, even when I tried a lower foot pedal
setting. What I expected/wanted was the CSs to provide an overall
range that the foot controller could work within; no such luck, an
extra foot controller separately assigned seems to be the only ($45)
way out.
Reg
(not complaining too much, cos there may be a way that's too
obvious for me to see, (yet))
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642.63 | | RDGE00::NORTON | | Thu Apr 16 1987 04:39 | 11 |
| RE .61
I've already given a copy of my cartridge sounds to David Braithwaite.
Perhaps you can come to an arrangement with him. At least he's in
the same country, so it's easier for him than for me.
I aquired some 3rd party stuff from a company called Valhala who
I believe are a USA company. Some of the patches are quite impressive.
Andrew
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642.64 | volume, pitchbend, destruct_level... | JON::ROSS | wockin' juan | Thu Apr 16 1987 09:51 | 13 |
|
velocity info goes out with the note on (and off) message.
"volume" message is just a 'continuous controller' message
(which one I'd have to look up) but the point is that everyone
seems to have de facto standardized on that one to be volume.
continuous controller messages can go or come any old time, and
are acted upon...and held at that level....until the next message.
every time you wiggle that pitch bend 'controller' just a little,
BILLIONS (well, you get the idea) of midi bytes are 'propagated'...
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642.65 | Learn A New Feature Each Week... | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Tue Apr 21 1987 14:24 | 14 |
| re .60, .62, .64
MIDI volume is continuous controller 7, and it works like Reg said;
you hear a "MIDI VOLUME" message, you set your output level to that
value and remember it until told otherwise. I don't know if there's
a defined convention with respect to remembering across power down,
but the controller number is assigned by the MIDI spec.
I got "burned" by this one time on my JX-10. It's really a feature,
but like many obscure features it may appear to be a bug to the
uninitiated.
len.
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642.66 | Not a bug, just a pitfall | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Tue Apr 21 1987 18:36 | 12 |
| re: .65
OK, I wonder if it's a bug that changing the MIDI channel doesn't
affect/reset the MIDI volume. Probably not... Just the lack of a
feature.
This is a real pitfall. I think the standard should have some
provision for resetting the MIDI volume without having to actually
generate the MIDI signals to do it. Or at least a note to implementers
warning them of this pitfall.
db
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642.67 | | 16514::MOELLER | Meet my cat Mandu, my dog Edd Lee | Tue Apr 21 1987 20:01 | 6 |
| re the last few, MIDI volume.. been noticing what it's doing on
my various modules. Even when it's implemented as a controller,
all 3 synths 'boot' with the value at 127, full volume. Only after
I USE the foot controller for volume does it vary from full.
km
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642.68 | V1.7 / v2.0 software differences | RDGE00::NORTON | Andrew Norton, @RYO, 7830-6326 | Thu May 14 1987 08:00 | 149 |
|
Here's the list of software differences that I mentioned. I can't
remember the original note so I've put it here...
- Andrew
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A while back someone on the list mentioned that they were getting their esq
upgraded from version 1.70 to versio 2.00 software and asked that the
differences were. At that time, I contacted the Ensoniq Rep on PAN and I
forwarded his letter onto this list. Since then there was no discussion on
this matter.
Recently, my ESQ-1 died (control board failure). My dealer didn't have the
board (they only do board swaps) and Ensoniq was moving their plant into
another building so my ESQ was at my dealers for some time. Then Ensoniq
messed up and didn't send out a control board to my dealer and they're now
backordered! So faced with an unknown amount of downtime my delaer lent me
a ESQ-1 while my was waiting for parts. That was yesterday, and I finally
managed to get to play with the loaner for sometime today.
The loaner is running version 2.0 of the software, which I will now compare
with version 1.70. First, the machine comes with a bound manual which is
still the _Musician's Manual_ version 1.0,but now comes with a change sheet
to describe differences between verison 2.0 ROM and the manual. But before
I summarize that sheet, here's something which I found out:
I don't know how many of you drive your esq running pre 2.0 software with an
external sequencer, but I do and there were definite problems. One thing I
noticed early on was that it takes an esq a long time (c. 1/5 sec) to
respond to a set of 8-program/volume changes over midi. This was nasty in
that you couldn't record each of the factory demo sequences onto another
sequencer and play it back correctly because during instrument changes the
esq will play using the old instruments until it completed its switchover.
Well, I was pleasently surprised to find that this bug has been fixed. The
esq now responds pretty much instantly to multiple midi program/volume
changes.
Now for the official list of changes between 1.xx and 2.00:
1. on the MIDI page the MIDI enable parameter has been changed. There are
now these states:
a. key events only
b. keys + controllers
c. keys + ct + prog chng
d. keys + ct + pc + snsl - same as (c), but midi song select messages will
also be received/sent.
e. keys + ct + pc + ss + sx (sx = system exclusive)
2. The esq now transmits and receives midi song selects in sequence mode as
well as song mode (depending on the setting on the enable control). This
allows you to select esq sequences as well as songs from a remote seuqncer
or drum machine, and vice versa. They are set up as follows:
midi song selects #00-09 will select esq songs #1-10
midi song selects #20-49 will select esq sequences #1-30
Note that these song select messages are sent by the esq-1 whenever a
sequence or song is selected from the front panel.
3. On the three sequence select pages, a _Dot_ is placed to the left of a
sequence location which contains recorded data. This helps to distinguish a
recorded sequence from a template or newly created sequence. A sequence
location reading [.SEQ-10] indicated a sequence with recorded data in it. A
Sequence location reading [SEQ-10] (no dot) indicates a sequence in which
nothing has yet been recorded.
4. When you select tape load from the storage page, the upper right hand
selection, wich instructs the esq-1 to load all sequencer data from tape,
ahs been changed to read all seq instead of all data, in order to avoid
confusion. This page now appears as shown below:
tape sequencer- one seq - all seq
save programs- int banks
5. addendum to the esq-1 midi specification
[this section summarized because of lots of hex numbers which I dont' want
to type in...]
2.1 esq-1 system exclusive header - the same except that they note the esq
will only receive if enable=keys+ct+pc+ss+sx.
2.5 received virtual keypad events:
This system exclusive message allows an external device to simulate the
pressing of the esq-1 front panel buttons. The formate of the message is an
esq system exclusive header, followed by the keypad command code, and then a
stream of button down and button up codes which is terminated by an end of
exclusive.
NOTE: Each button down keypad event should be followed by a button up event
fo the same button to prevent the inbound keypad event processor from
becomming "hung up" while waiting for a button to be released. This should
usually be done within _one_ system exclusive message. It should also be
possible to follow up with separate messages, but be careful not to leave
dangling button downs.
xxxxxxxx ESQ system exclusive header
00001110 keypad command code
(data stream...)
0nnnnnnn any number of keypad events (buttondown/up codes)
one button down or button event per byte.
(button codes are specified int he table below)
11110111 end of exclusive
(button code table eliminated - all buttons are implemented)
...
As you may have observed, the button up codes are differentiated from the
button down codes by a positive offset of 51 decimal or $33 hex. The button
code 00 is reserved for illegal key events within the system and should not
be sent to the esq. Also, button codes out of the rage specified in the
above table should not be sent to the esq-1.
2.6 Midi song selects
Midi song selects may be received by the esq-1 when the setting of the midi
enable parameter is "keys+ct+pc+snsl" or "keys+ct+pc+ss+sx". Inbound midi
song selects are reconized only in sequencer stop or sngs (song stop)
modes. Song select 00 to 19 will select defined songs withing that rage and
put the sequencer into song mode. Selects for undefined songs will be
ignored. The esq-1 will interpret midi song selects 20 and above as
sequence selects, and will map them onto seq-1 and above. A song select 20,
for example, will select seq-1 if it is defined, and will then put the
sequencer into sequence mode.
Midi song selects are transmitted whenever a song or sequence is selected
from the seq bank pages by using the softkeys on the front panel (virtual
keypad events will also transmit them).
---------------
Christopher Chow
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642.69 | ESQ-1 on the blink | MERIDN::BULMER | Life is a Classic Performance | Wed Jun 24 1987 20:33 | 18 |
| As of yesterday my lovely ESQ-1 has been rendered unuseable thanks
to some system bug. At power on now, usually I cannot get any soft
keys to work. Thus I am always stuck at the power-up logo. I can
then play several notes but soon I get:
SYSTEM ERROR - SOFT RESET
PRESS ANY SOFT KEY TO CONTINUE
My question is, does the "SOFT ERROR" imply that I may be having
software problems ? I am running V 1.7 and was considering upgrading
to
V 2.0. Now I wonder if this will alleviate this problem or if
there is a hardware problem that is causing all the errors.
I would appreciate any input before I take the unit into my "nearest
authorized Ensoniq dealer" where I did NOT buy the unit, to attemp
to get some warrantee service. Thanks in advance. Steve Bulmer
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642.70 | Try RESET command | COLORS::LICHTENBERG | | Wed Jun 24 1987 22:52 | 10 |
|
Hmmm... Perhaps it is something simple, like the CMOS RAM is all
mucked up, messing up initialization. Have you tried the reset
command (hold down RECORD and press the upper left softkey, if
memory serves...)
Just a guess... BTW, if the keysequence I mentioned is wrong,
I'll poke through my Hacker issues to find what it really is...
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642.71 | Et too, Brute? | DYO780::SCHAFER | Old Age+Treachery > Youth+Skill | Tue Jul 07 1987 21:08 | 25 |
| RE: .69
I had the same thing happen to me this weekend, Steve. Lost my entire
10K of sequences. Before that happened, I was recording a track to
drive my 707 and - poof! - other tracks started disappearing. I don't
mean just going away. I mean when you goto the MIDI page on the seq,
the track is blank - no led is lit, and the track cannot be selected.
Real weird. To boot, the rest of seq memory was rendered useless.
I thought at first that memory had a bad spot - so I tried filling up
memory by starting the seq and slapping the board as fast as I could,
playing around 8-10 notes per hand at a time. That's when I got the
error message.
I am also running 1.7, and am becoming more and more convinced that
this was a software problem. I threw a few hacked up things on the
sequencer just to see if I could get the thing to choke, but nothing
doing. I can't get it to reliably barf; looks like a software bug.
The local store is charging $20 to install the latest ROMs (2.2, I
think).
I know that I'm gonna upgrade ASAP. Just for grins, are you driving
any external units, or just using the ESQ?
brad
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642.72 | It is indeed a software problem! | DYO780::SCHAFER | Old Age+Treachery > Youth+Skill | Wed Jul 08 1987 16:41 | 16 |
| Well, I just got off the phone with some knowledgable people ...
Looks like the problem is indeed a software problem - and the latest
version of the software is now up to 2.3. According to the dude I
talked to, it is important to upgrade ASAP! 1.7 is bug-ridden and not
to be trusted. The upgrade is gonna cost me $20 plus tax. Small price
to pay.
Make sure that your patches aren't hosed. I not only lost all my
sequencer data, but got several patches skunged in the process.
Fortunately, the local store is gonna be nice and load the patches for
nothing.
Good luck.
8^)
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642.73 | Gradual button death? | COLORS::LICHTENBERG | | Thu Jul 09 1987 22:56 | 16 |
|
I was poking around trying to find other people who've had this
problem:
One of the front-panel buttons (the "1 / SEQ 1" button) is dying.
I'm extremely careful with my ESQ, but this button now doesn't seem
to work unless I give it a little pressure and rock my finger back
and forth. Very annoying... Anybody else seen this? Is there
an easy home remedy? I'll probably take it in to get it fixed,
and while they're at it they can put new software in there...
It's just that it has happened to one button, and I can just see
this sort of thing getting worse and worse....
/Mitch.
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642.74 | Differences between V2.2 and V2.3 ? | GIBSON::DICKENS | Distributed System Manglement | Mon Jul 13 1987 12:32 | 7 |
| Would someone please post the differences between V2.2 and V2.3
?
'twould be much appreciated.
-Jeff
|
642.75 | Hardly enough to post, eh? | EMERLD::SCHAFER | Old Age+Treachery > Youth+Skill | Tue Jul 14 1987 14:29 | 11 |
| Far as I can tell, diffs are minimal. Think there were only bug fixes.
The lit handed out with the upgrade was not too revealing.
The ones I've noticed are that foot controller can now be used as
volume or filter mod control (selectable from MASTER menu). Some
things done with what controllers can(not) be sent via MIDI.
I have tried to make it crash (like I did in 1.7) and cannot. Makes me
feel much better.
FWIW ...
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642.76 | A few weeks later.... | MERIDN::BULMER | Life is a Classic Performance | Mon Jul 27 1987 23:10 | 16 |
| hThe continuing saga of .69...
The repair-person (I'm so non-sexist these days, it hurts)
informed me that I had a bum keyboard 'module' and was back ordering
from Ensoniq...no ESQ-1 for about a month now. I was also sure
to tell the tech to upgrade to the 2.3 software as well...the
1.7 stuff definitely was not reliable. I lost all my sequencer
memory twice. Both times I was getting fairly low < 1000 notes
and was trying to see just how much I could I could squeeze into the
remaining memory...well when I hit the 'save new sequence' button
the 'saving sequence...please wait' message flashed for an unduly
length of time and finally I got error messages, and you guessed
it, totally corrupted sequencer memory!! I anxiously await v 2.3
You had asked if I ran anything external...only a CX5M..now you
want to talk weird MIDI things happening!!!! -Steve
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642.77 | ESQ/707 Bug Alert | EMERLD::SCHAFER | Cranial shift in progress... | Mon Aug 24 1987 11:17 | 32 |
| Had a REAL strange problem with my ESQ and TR707.
ESQ s/w is at 2.3. 707 was connected to MIDI out of ESQ, receiving on
channel 10, omni off, PLAY mode (not write), sync internal (i.e., not
using MIDI clocks). Had a track in a sequence that had a sustain on
command, but no sustain off. Went into step mode to insert the sustain
off command, and VOILA! ...
707 went into brain damage mode. MIDI receive channel set to 34. Omni
mode set on (permanently). Patterns in all groups randomly altered -
everything from 1-5 joined as one pattern to last step (measure length)
set to random values. Sound/MIDI note mappings were also blasted (set
randomly).
The worst part of the whole thing was that I could NOT clear ANY of
these problems. I had to:
a) power down, and disconnect brick
b) remove batteries
c) wait circa 15 minutes
d) replace batteries and repower
This cleaned up OMNI mode being permanent. MIDI channel mysteriously
reset to 10. Patterns were still hosed - I had to reload/rewrite
memory.
Moral: DON'T USE ESQ-1 STEP MODE EDITING IF YOUR 707 IS CONNECTED.
Anyone else seen anything like this?
8^( who_used_to_like_his_ESQ
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642.78 | Is the bug repeatable? | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | VAXstation Repo Man | Mon Aug 24 1987 11:40 | 22 |
| I'm not sure the ESQ is at fault. I've done very similar things
with step-editing with an MD-16 (borrowed) and a DX-100 (mine)
connected as sound generators, and I've never had a freakout like
that.
How did you insert the sustain off? For that matter, how did
you manage to get a sustain ON without having a sustain OFF? The
ESQ manual claims that the sequencer software is smart and keeps
track of note-ons and note-offs, and will do the right thing
in terms of cleaning up damage done in step-edit mode. I know pitch
bend info isn't "cleaned up"- it's considered a controller and it
holds until modified. If sustain is considered a controller, maybe.
Painful Question: Is this bug repeatable? Have you tried? :-(
How about this: try sending the TR707 a pair of sustain offs and
see if it freaks out. Maybe the 707 is not spiritually ready for
multiple sustain commands of the same type.
-Bill
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642.79 | Yeah, it's repeatable | EMERLD::SCHAFER | Cranial shift in progress... | Mon Aug 24 1987 12:22 | 26 |
| RE: .78
Don't know whether to blame the ESQ or the 707. None of the modules
were affected in any way by the operation.
I've tried many things to determine the root of the problem. My MIDI
setup was originally ESQ to OB-Xa to TX7 to TX7 to 707 when "the bug"
hit. After figuring out how to reset all the stuff I needed to reset,
I took out all intervening modules and tried again just to see if it
would happen - it did. So yes, the bug IS repeatable. It took me
three crashes before I realized what was going on. >8-(
I do know this: the bug has NOTHING to do with inserting a sustain off.
Each time I go into step mode editing on the ESQ, the 707 gets
scrambled.
Oh yeah - inserting a sustain off is easy. While in step/punch OUT
mode, hold down the sustain pedal and step/clock thru to where you want
to punch in. Then punch IN, release the pedal, and exit.
One other nit - in 2.3, when doing a "CREATE NEW SONG", the cursor is
not left at the proper position. The "S" in "Song" is incremented
alphabetically, rather than the song number being incremented. Very
strange . . .
8^)
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642.80 | try MIDI Transmit filtering maybe? | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | VAXstation Repo Man | Mon Aug 24 1987 17:25 | 11 |
| How about this: is it possible the ESQ-1 is issuing control information
concerning the sequencer editing (I know it can issue change-program
commands to a number of devices, including Hallgrimsson's Seiko,
for cryin' out loud!)
Try switching the ESQ's MIDI ENABLE to NOTES ONLY. I think it
considers the pushbuttons as controllers, so NOTES+CONTROLLERS or
other transmit enable will probably leave the problem... but then
you can experiment at least. Even rev 2.0 has five different levels
of MIDI filtering.
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642.81 | Tried that, too | EMERLD::SCHAFER | Cranial shift in progress... | Mon Aug 24 1987 18:09 | 10 |
| For the noting public ...
Already did that. Didn't change a thing. When I said I'd tried
everything, I meant *everything*. Good guess, though ...
I wonder if I could avoid this by using the "internal only" setting on
the MIDI page? Now, do I have the guts to try it again?
signed,
sheepish
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642.82 | Sounds like a job for MIDIscope! | DSSDEV::HALLGRIMSSON | Eir�kur Hallgr�msson | Tue Aug 25 1987 00:20 | 12 |
| I know that no conforming device should have this problem, but perhaps
you are overrunning the input of the drum machine. I don't have
any idea where it's designers thought the input would come from,
so perhaps lots of controller data is overwhelming.
One thing you should do is to look at the MIDI data. There are
MIDI datascope programs for just about any PC. I know of ones for
the C64 and the Mac. It might be possible to find out exactly which
MIDI command the TR is tripping on.
Eirikur
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642.83 | Hardware not available, but thanks anyway | EMERLD::SCHAFER | Cranial shift in progress... | Tue Aug 25 1987 09:33 | 9 |
| RE: .82
Good idea! Er - um ... by the way, there, Eirikur, ol' buddy ol'
pal ...
You wouldn't happen to have a spare Mac sitting around that I could
borrow for, say, a few years? &*)
8^)
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642.84 | The software screwdriver... | TSG::EIRIKUR | | Tue Aug 25 1987 16:43 | 9 |
| I mentioned that such things can be done with a Commodore 64. C64's
can be found used, and considered expendable... There's tons of
MIDI software for the primitive little thing. It's the MIDI
interface that becomes a problem there--probably costing more than
the computer. But, hey, you *need* a computer to do COMMUSIC,
right?
Eirikur
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642.85 | Clearing TR707 | GVAADG::HANNA | For Sale: Waterproof Teabags | Wed Aug 26 1987 14:19 | 26 |
| Re: .77
> The worst part of the whole thing was that I could NOT clear ANY of
> these problems. I had to:
>
> a) power down, and disconnect brick
> b) remove batteries
> c) wait circa 15 minutes
> d) replace batteries and repower
You don't say if you still retained any drum-sequences you'd programmed.
My PRO/16 did such nasty things to the TR707 when I tried playing back
drum sequences that I'd dumped from the TR707 to the PRO/16.
I couldn't get it to clear so I:
-Switched TR707 OFF !
-Pressed down (help me, memory) TRACK mode and INSTRUMENT select
keys(I think).
-Switched power ON!
-Released keys.
And as documented this brought back up the machine but with the FACTORY
presets. Had to get my stuff of a week old back up and I was lucky.
.Zayed.
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642.86 | Structure altered, contents not | EMERLD::SCHAFER | Cranial shift in progress... | Thu Aug 27 1987 12:30 | 7 |
| RE: .85
Yeah, I retained drum sequences, but patterns were randomly chained
together and last step was hosed randomly on each pattern. Pattern
contents were not affected, however.
8^)
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642.87 | Tape doesn't work - what gives? | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Wed Sep 30 1987 10:46 | 20 |
| Has anyone ever attempted to perform tape backups on the ESQ?
I tried last night to get the thing to dump patches to tape I dunno
how many times. It would write ok, but the tape could not be verified
or reloaded. (I found out reloaded the hard way, when I hit the LOAD
button instead of the VERIFY button.) Kept getting "Invalid tape data
detected" or some such rot.
I've tried everything from shuffling tapes (TDK-SA /Maxell UDS-II
/UDXL-II) to changing tape recorders (GE data recorder /Yamaha K-960
/Tascam 144), but all for naught. BTW - *ALL* recorder/tape
combinations worked with both TX7 modules without a hitch.
WIFGO? I'm at 2.3 of the software.
One other thing ... when the internal memory is reset (as in after a
load failure), does this hose sequencer brains as well? (Someone tell
me it doesn't ... p l e a s e .....)
8^(
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642.88 | Did you check levels in and out? | ECADSR::SHERMAN | Sure... blame the *computer* | Wed Sep 30 1987 10:50 | 3 |
| Sounds like you may have a level problem, maybe?
Steve
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642.89 | It CAN be done | RDGE28::NORTON | Andrew Norton, @RYO, 7830-6326 | Wed Sep 30 1987 11:13 | 12 |
|
I don't have any problems with tapes. I do find that the levels
are very important though and it can take quite a while to get them
just right. Sequences generally give me more problems than internal
patches do. It's just a matter of tweeking the volume on reload
until it works !!
Andrew
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642.90 | Another bet that it's levels (probably output) | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Wed Sep 30 1987 12:27 | 9 |
| Ditto: the levels are critical, especially output.
Once I got the hang of it, I was able to write and read from tapes
easily and reliably. I rarely have to do anything twice but I
*always* do a verification pass when I'm writing a tape.
Other remote possibility: you're turning noise reduction off right?
db
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642.91 | Have you tried direct connect? | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | depleted uranium speaker cabinets? | Wed Sep 30 1987 15:38 | 6 |
| Also, directly connect the tape deck to the ESQ. Some preamps
don't have sufficient headroom to act as a go-between (or the tone
controls have enough phase shift, even when centered, to
screw things up)
|
642.92 | Level? What's that? | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Wed Sep 30 1987 16:23 | 18 |
| RE: responses to tape problem
I futzed with the level on the data recorder for about an hour. When
that availed nothing (but heartburn), I then used my Tascam 144. I
tried every level between -10db to 0db. -2db seemed to work the best.
Best, you say? Well, normally the ESQ would come back *immediately*
with a brain-damage error. At -2db, it would wait until the tape
signal ceased BEFORE giving the error message.
As for noise reduction, the 144 has hardcoded Dolby B. I've used it
with other units with no problem. Maybe I should go ahead and use my
Yamaha with no reduction and see what happens(?).
Anyone use a computer for ESQ brain dumps? I'm thinking real hard
about snagging an ST now ...
8^(
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642.93 | Manual says that Dolby is a no-no | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | depleted uranium speaker cabinets? | Wed Sep 30 1987 17:07 | 6 |
| The ESQ manual specifies that noise reduction will cause you problems.
I guess they weren't kidding...
Try your VCR.
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642.94 | If you can stand it, get a computer. | MAY20::BAILEY | Steph Bailey | Wed Sep 30 1987 17:32 | 14 |
| I have a program that I wrote for the ST which takes any sort of
dump (as far as I can tell... I don't have ``any sort of equipment''
so I can't check everything) and it is so much better than using
those stupid tapes.
I could never get the tape back-up to work on my MKS-50, so I gave
up and wrote the program. I haven't been sorry yet.
There is also a new voice editor for the ESQ-1 (from whom, I forget)
for the ST. And several resonably priced librarians.
Computers are a win if you can stomach the outlay.
Steph
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642.95 | ..my guess... | UFP::LARUE | Jeff LaRue - MAA Senior Network Consultant | Wed Sep 30 1987 22:34 | 16 |
| Re: .87
Brad,
>>One other thing ... when the internal memory is reset (as in after
>>a load failure), does this hose sequencer brains as well? (Someone
>>tell me it doesn't ... p l e a s e .....)
(I'm taking a SWAG here since I've not fully assimulated the ESQ-1
manual.......)
Well, if by a _reset_, you mean the same thing as in pressing "RECORD"
and soft key #1.....I'm afraid so......according to the v2.3 release
notes (see note 359.36, section 4)...you're "hosed". Not only are
the programs stored in internal memory cleared...but sequencer memory
is cleared too.
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642.96 | Line levels were trouble for me | BARNUM::RHODES | | Thu Oct 01 1987 14:43 | 6 |
| I had trouble when trying to do a DX100 data dump to a stereo cassette deck.
It turned out to be that I was using the line inputs/outputs of the cassette
deck which were too low level for the DX. I think I finally succeeded only
after using the mic input and the headphone output of the cassette deck...
Todd.
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642.97 | The saga unfolds... | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Thu Oct 01 1987 15:23 | 37 |
| Well, here's the scoop ...
I went home last night armed with all this good advice &*} intent on
making a bloody good copy, or bust!
I retried a tape dump of patch memory to the 144, and it worked.
Perfectly. The first time. With no hassles. I could have spit. So
I thought to myself, "Hey! Let's go for broke and dump sequencer
memory as well." That DIDN'T work. Not the first time. Not the
second time. Not the 15th time. Not at all. Not ever. Drat.
What in blazes is going on? So I got a different tape, and tried
dumping sequencer memory again - and it worked. First time. With no
hassles ... Now I figured the other tape was bad (it was a couple
years old). So, applying logic (my 2nd mistake), I decided to put
patch memory dumps at the end of the sequencer dumps. Makes sense,
right? Oughta work, right? Wrong. Not the first time. Not the 2nd
time ...
So today the Ensoniq rep just happened to be at the local hole in the
wall music store. Grabbed my ESQ and my tape and took a drive,
expecting to hear something like, "Yeah - it's a known hardware
problem - we'll take care of it." When learning of my predicament, he
seemed puzzled, then grabbed the local trash cassette recorder and a
trash cassette, and proceeded to do a memory dump. (Thinks he's gonna
prove me wrong, isn't he?) He did. First time. With no hassles. 2nd
time. With no hassles. All of patch memory. All of sequencer
memory. Not even a verification error. So I look stupid. REAL
stupid. And I *STILL* don't know what the deal is.
>8-( >8-( >8-( >8-( >8-( >8-( >8-(
Tomorrow I go to pick up my 1040 ST.
8-(
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642.98 | Uhh.... | AKOV76::EATOND | The Mike Mongeon Band: 10/9, Holden | Thu Oct 01 1987 15:28 | 12 |
| RE < Note 642.97 by DYO780::SCHAFER "Dragons is *so* stupid ..." >
> problem - we'll take care of it." When learning of my predicament, he
> seemed puzzled, then grabbed the local trash cassette recorder and a
> trash cassette, and proceeded to do a memory dump. (Thinks he's gonna
> prove me wrong, isn't he?) He did. First time. With no hassles. 2nd
Well, Brad, it seems quite obvious that you need a Local Trash Cassette
Recorder and a Trash cassette! Is that a subsidiary company of TEAC or
something?
Dan
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642.99 | Guess.... | JAWS::COTE | BddddttttYEEeeoowww! (C. Hynde) | Thu Oct 01 1987 15:41 | 3 |
| Do you have a cable problem????
Edd
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642.100 | on da nose? | JON::ROSS | Micro-11: The VAX RISC | Thu Oct 01 1987 16:02 | 18 |
|
The potential cuplrits are:
your tape (lower chance since you tried a couple)
your deck
But you tried your fancy one too, eh? You sure they
still record/playback audio? NO DOLBY. Clean the heads
lately? yeahbut this still doesnt seem like it.
your connections
yup. Think Eddie has something here. Did you verify
the hookup that "he" used as being the same as what
you are using? whose cables got used?
Try a SIGNAL through the cables and wiggle them, you
can hear a disconnect better than trying to see it
on an ohmeter or something....
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642.101 | Obviously a network problem | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Thu Oct 01 1987 17:25 | 10 |
| RE: .99 (Do you have a cable problem?)
That's a personal question, don't you think?
Seriously, I was thinking along those lines myself, before reading the
astute advice given in .99 & .100. Great minds think alike, eh?
Hi ho, Hi ho ... it's off to radio (shack, that is).
8^)
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642.102 | Mes pensees. | ACORN::BAILEY | Steph Bailey | Thu Oct 01 1987 17:50 | 29 |
| I dunno about with synths, but I know that with computers using
cassette storage (I have several) the CHEAPER the tape and recorder,
the better. And as Todd mentioned the circuits are designed to
go into a low-level MIC inputs and come out of high level ear-plug
outputs. Line level widgets just don't work.
The best way to debug that stuff is to get inside the cover with an
oscilloscope (totally serious). I've logged hours stareing at cassette
interface circuits on paper and in the flesh. A 1040ST sounds like a
great idea, eh?
But I should just warn you about the MEGA-ST. Because some people
get dismayed when they buy something and two weeks later the follow
on product comes out.
I believe (but am not sure) that Mega-STs are that close (several
weeks). That is the reason why they 1040ST prices have dropped
abruptly. If getting a product a day before it is replaced with
something better bothers you, I suggest talking to a computer store
person first. (Personally I get products years AFTER they have been
replaced).
The price on a 1-Meg Mega is going to be the same as the 1040s used
to be (~$999.00 for b/w ~$1200 for color)
Steph
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642.103 | | RDGE28::NORTON | Andrew Norton, @RYO, 7830-6326 | Fri Oct 02 1987 04:59 | 15 |
|
When I was trying to save/restore my ESQ data, I had no luck at
all with my high quality sterio Hi fi deck. It was only when I tried
my real cheapo machine that I could get it to work. This is totally
opposite to the manual's advise. It seems the trashier the better !!
Have you tried syncing the sequencer to tape yet ?? I find the opposite
true here. It won't work on the cheapo but it's ok with a good
deck. It works Ok on my Tascam 244 with dolby on as well.
Andrew
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642.104 | More area (less NR!!) | FROST::HARRIMAN | MIDIot at large | Fri Oct 02 1987 09:19 | 14 |
|
I have never had a successful tape backup *ever* on anything other
than my trashy/trusty old Panasonic portable boat anchor deck. Here
are my theories why - First, the circuits don't have noise reduction
(or anything else for that matter) and the other is that the tape
path is physically larger (more are gets covered) on a monaural
portable cassette tape (both L+R and the space between gets used
during recording on those) - probably gets just that bit more headroom
and especially you get no alignment (phase) distortion which is
what confuses the PCM-er. By the way, I also keep an ESQ cartridge
around to save voices to - I've crashed my ESQ enough times to do
quickie saves to cartridge a lot now.
/pjh
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642.105 | Ever seen this? | FROST::HARRIMAN | Pesky Moose Twice | Fri Oct 02 1987 09:50 | 25 |
|
Also had in interesting one - as much my fault as Ensoniq's I guess.
Using MIDI clock info from a TR707 driving the ESQ which then drives
a DX100 and a JX-3P. This gives me a nice big knob to change the
tempo with instead of trying to select the right parameter on the
sequencer page. Problem is, don't ever go into "step edit" while
you have "synch" selected to MIDI SYNCH. What apparently happens
is that instead of taking your clock timing pulse from the step
key, it takes it from the free-running timing coming from the TR707
(I hadn't realized that if you stop the machine the clock still
runs) - anyway to make a long story short the damn thing zips through
your sequence in about 1 second per 1 minute of play and then crashes
with "system error - soft reset - press any key to continue". I
guess it's a software bug but it still baffles me why the ESQ senses
MIDI clock info when you are in single step edit mode...
I also had the thing up and tell me that I needed new batteries.
I got it's little brain scrambled - all of the pages got garbage
in them (MIDI channel 2F for example) but things mysteriously reset
when selected (keyed)... Went to the music store, they just said
"well, reset it" - it turns out it did not need new batteries, it
was just confused. Wierd stuff.
/pjh
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642.106 | The saga *continues* ... | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Fri Oct 02 1987 13:13 | 14 |
| Well, last night I went to Radio Shlock and scarfed on 2 real nice
quarter-pin to mini-pin cords. Tried all 3 tape decks again ... with
no luck.
My wife suggested that I try our old Panasonic (as previously
mentioned) that my daughter uses to listen to her kiddie tapes on. Of
course, I promptly NACK'd that idea ... didn't make sense ... (?)
Tonight I try the junker - I'll even use a 15 year old Grand Funk
cassette to record over ... and if it works, I'm STILL gonna get an ST
(thanks for the tip on the Mega-ST).
Signed,
Spend_a_buck
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642.107 | Ensoniq rumor mill update | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Fri Oct 02 1987 13:24 | 19 |
| Thought I'd update the rumors that we've been hearing ...
I pumped the Ensoniq rep yesterday at the store about things to come.
The 16 bit sampler that you've been hearing about is going to be
announced around 1-Nov-87. When asked about (get this) *stereo*
sampling, the rep smiled and said, "Now, that would be remarkable for
a machine in this price class." You decide what he meant. Also,
price is circa $1800.
There will be no hardware stand-alone sequencer from Ensoniq (as in
taking the ESQ sequencer and making it standalone). However, a new
memory expander cartridge for the ESQ sequencer is available (at $119)
- increases memory to 20K notes (64K RAM). Trades-ins for old 32KRAMs
are at dealer discretion.
The current Mirage series samplers will probably not have their
software modified to include a loop autolocator function.
That's it.
|
642.108 | More on cassette interfaces. | MAY20::BAILEY | Steph Bailey | Fri Oct 02 1987 14:02 | 16 |
| The cannonical cassette interface circuit actually RELIES on the
tape recorder trashing the signal that it sends. That is why cheapies
work better. They have crummy frequency response, so the squares
that the things sends to the tape come back as sines (or at least
``rounds'').
Fidelity and headroom and phase distortion are irrelevant. Actually,
the more the better (to a point).
Caveat emptor: This is only true for cheapy circuits. The kind that
go WHEEEEEE-GRROOOOONK when you listen to them. I have seen ``high
quality'' cassette circuits (anybody remember CAPS-11?) which work
differently but not in the past 15 years.
Steph
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642.109 | Stereo Sampling Is Gonna Cost You | AQUA::ROST | Fast and bulbous, tight also | Fri Oct 02 1987 16:36 | 9 |
|
Re: .107
The new Sequential Prophet 3000 sampler is 16-bit and true stereo.
Price: $5000
That's what the rep meant about "remarkable for its price class".
|
642.110 | FINALLY - a solution! | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Mon Oct 05 1987 11:17 | 38 |
| RE: .109 (stereo sampling will cost you $5K)
Yeah, I know ... but the Ensoniq dude had this kinda weird look on his
face like "I know something you don't know". We'll soon know, won't
we?
RE: current topic (ESQ to tape)
With all respect to the "trash cassette is better" school - bullcrap.
I dug up all different kinds of decks and all different kinds of
tapes, and the only thing that I could get to work even once in a
while was my Tascam (144).
So yesterday, I started with what I knew worked (intermittently), and
futzed around again, trying to figure out what was going on. When
recording/playbacking 1 track at -2db to +1db, I could get it to work
*sometimes*. After some playing, I figured out that the error trapped
at the same location in the tape each time. ??? Bad tape? Tried
another tape, with the same problem, but with a different location.
Then swapped the TDK-SA tapes for a Maxell UDS-II ... HMMM. Now the
problem only occurs once in a while - but still in a single location.
Well, to make a long story short, the problem(s) had NOTHING to do
with recording signal level, OR the quality of the tape recorder, but
with tape saturation and breakup. Seems that a single tape track (as
mentioned earlier) is prone to breakup, especially on TDKs. Recording
to a Maxell using 2 tracks at a time (and Y-cording the outputs
together at playback) solved the problem.
A side "benefit" from all this heartburn - it seems that Maxell tapes
can handle much higher saturation before breakup than can TDK. Looks
like I'll be buying Maxell from here on out. Anyone else heard of
this? Didn't we discuss this several years back?
So ... do I dare try syncing to tape now?
8^) who_likes_his_ESQ_again
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642.111 | Can we conclude that some things are different? | MAY20::BAILEY | Steph Bailey | Mon Oct 05 1987 12:24 | 14 |
| Well, my computers work best recording in saturation, and I've never
lost a single byte of data in my life, and I've built three cassette
interface circuits and wadded through the the schematics of half
a dozen others in the past five years, and I can't even see straight
anymore because of it, so there.
The Brits are the only people who really know how to design a cassette
interface circuit. (look at the Sinclair ZX81. Two buffers, two
caps and two resistors.)
(Oh yah: ``:-)'' )
Steph
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642.112 | Don't live in doubt - check it out | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Mon Oct 05 1987 14:14 | 14 |
| I have an "ESQ-1 Patch Library" on a TDK tape. It contains about
10 collections of patches that I've collected over time.
I recently did a sweep through it to combine all the string patches
into one bank.
I was able to read each bank on the tape the first time through.
No problems at all.
Even if you have it working semi-reliably, I wouldn't give up on
the theory that there is something wrong with your ESQ-1. Mine
has always read and written to tape very reliably.
db
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642.113 | Uncertainty? Buy an ST! (see, I can do it, too) | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Mon Oct 05 1987 16:35 | 20 |
| RE: .111 [ ... so there ... :-) ]
No offense intended - consider the terse tone a result of extreme
frustration on the part of someone who has to have 30-45 mins. of
music completely sequenced by October 18th ... and could not get
started because he couldn't back up the stuff he already had
sequenced.
I really appreciate all the help you guys offered. Thanks.
RE: .112
Most of my tapes are light years old, Dave. I haven't purchased a new
tape since I made COMMUSIC I. That might have a good deal to do with
it.
Besides, I need some grounds to convince my wife that I NEED an ATARI,
right?
:)
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642.114 | keyboard split? | UFP::LARUE | Jeff LaRue - MAA Senior Network Consultant | Tue Oct 06 1987 23:50 | 12 |
| ......while this isn't necessarily a problem, I haven't been
successful in working it out......can anyone help?
I too have an ESQ-1 and just purchased the Yamaha TX-81Z for an
outboard MIDI controlled module. What I'm trying to do is to create
a keyboard split with one half of the keyboard controlling the
ESQ and the other half controlling the TX.
Can this be done? (help on how would be appreciated too!!)
-thanks,
Jeff
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642.115 | 1/2 an answer... | AKOV68::EATOND | Shut mah mouth wide open! | Wed Oct 07 1987 09:21 | 7 |
| RE < Note 642.114 by UFP::LARUE "Jeff LaRue - MAA Senior Network Consultant" >
I can't help you with the ESQ, but the request is simple with the TX.
Simply find the performance parameter for 'low limit' and raise that note number
to the place you want the split to be.
Dan
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642.116 | wow, a quiet patch. | JON::ROSS | Micro-11: The VAX RISC | Wed Oct 07 1987 12:22 | 12 |
|
hmmmm. A good one. Right on "TZ"....
as an ESQ lightweight, but having done the same on
other synths....you may have to split the ESQ between
a voice that you want (upper) and a voice you create
that is silence (!) for the lower.
That should do it.
rr
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642.117 | Song mode question (V2.3) | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | depleted uranium speaker cabinets? | Wed Oct 07 1987 12:27 | 13 |
| I've been playing with SONG mode in the sequencer, and I am having
a problem with timings.
If I put a very simple (2-bar, all quarter notes) beat into each of two
sequences, and then create a song which plays first one sequence,
then the other, the timing is off. It sounds like about
a 1/8 note gets dropped off the end of the 1'st sequence and the
second sequence comes in immediately (i.e. the last measure of
the 1'st sequence does not play to completion- but there's silence
there anyway, so it's not like a note gets dropped.).
How do I fix this?
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642.118 | Right and what's wrong | DYO780::SCHAFER | Dragons is *so* stupid ... | Wed Oct 07 1987 15:14 | 29 |
| RE: .114, .115, .116 (ESQ splits)
Dan/Ron got it right, Jeff ... at least as far as I've been able to go
with it.
Take any patch, set DCA 4 levels to 0 on all counts, then write it
into a patch called NUTTIN (or NADA, BLANK, etc). Then use NUTTIN as
the proper part of your split on the split page. I, for one, hope
they'll put an option in future revs to allow one split to be *MIDI*
(like the sequencer page).
RE: .117 (song mode troubles)
I have used SONG mode for a long, long time and have never experienced
this.
Is it possible that you have NOT quantized one/either sequence before
you tried putting them into a song? Try step edit mode on the
sequence that seems to be getting clipped and see if it really
contains what you think it contains.
Only other thing I can think of is something stupid, like beats per
measure being off (eg, SEQ-1 = 160, SEQ-2 = 120). I can say this
freely, as I've done it myself. Now it's *my* turn to look stupid,
Karl.
I may play with this tonight.
8^)
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642.119 | cut too short? | BARNUM::RENE | Plastic Fantastic Lobster Telephone | Wed Oct 07 1987 16:29 | 12 |
| .......just a thought.
What has happened to me on occasion is when I record the first
track of a new sequence (which defines the length) and I press the
stop button too soon after the third beat of a 4/4 measure, the
ESQ-1 says 'sequence 23, 1 bar' (or whatever it says). I go and
play it back and it is only three beats. To correct just undefine
the sequence and try again.
hope this is relevent
Frank
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642.120 | Use all 64 clocks in the last measure! | MERIDN::BULMER | Life is a Classic Performance | Fri Nov 06 1987 23:45 | 2 |
| RE .117 Play an extra measure to insure a 'complete' last measure.
Then edit the sequence length to the length desired.
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642.121 | TAPE SYNC problems | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Mon Jan 04 1988 16:01 | 34 |
| OK, I seem to have a problem with my ESQ-1.
I think its probably a genuine problem that needs to be fixed but
I figure its possibly that it may be some 'gotcha' or something
someone else has had experience with and can help me out.
I've never had any problems reading data (sequence and program)
data from tape. I haven't done much with tape sync, but I did
make some experiments with it and while I did get an occasional
"glitch" it work well enough to suit my needs.
I install the ESX-20 upgrade (20k note memory) and now when I
set CLOCK=TAPE SYNC and press play, it starts playing at random
unconstant speeds even when the tape is stopped.
If I unplug the TAPE IN, and press play it waits like it should.
It would seem that it starts playing on ANY input to TAPE IN.
For example, if I plug a phone plug into TAPE IN, and then wave
the other end of the plug around in the air or put my fingers
across the contacts of the other, it plays in spurts.
Before the upgrade, I made some tests of the TAPE SYNC feature
to see how well it worked and really didn't have any problems
getting it to sync to the tape.
Now I can't get it to work at all.
Oh yeah, one other complaint. TAPE SYNC should work in RECORD and
ODUB mode as well as PLAY. It is often handy to listen to the
tape tracks while laying in additional sequenced tracks. But that's
a documented limitation (tape sync only in PLAY).
db
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642.122 | | JAWS::COTE | Day = 3, Cigarettes = 0 | Mon Jan 04 1988 16:24 | 5 |
| The obvious first check...
The cable?? Or the input jack on the ESQ???
Edd
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642.123 | Probably not | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Mon Jan 04 1988 17:04 | 13 |
| I tried it with two different cables. One did seem to be slightly
better than the other, but not anywhere near good enough. I also
"listened" to the cables (monitored them) and they sounded ok, although
I'm probably gonna try a brand new cable when I get home.
If its the input jack on the ESQ, I gotta send it back anyway.
Interestingly I *Have* had problems with the MONO output jack.
I would think though that random garbage noise would NOT normally
get the sequencer going.
db
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642.124 | Do you use the TAPE SYNC feature? | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Tue Jan 05 1988 11:50 | 28 |
| Well, decide to give it one more try before extracting it from my
setup and taking it in for repair.
It magically started working!
It still has glitches. For example, about 40% of the time I hit
play it "starts" and gives me a fraction of one beat. I just hit
stop and then play again until it doesn't do that.
About 25% of the time, the ESQ either doesn't start in sync or loses
a fraction of a beat here or there.
One thing I'm real glad I did was to record a click track at the
same time I recorded the sync track. My main reason for doing this
was to be able to record non-sequenced tracks without running the
sequencer, but it turns out that another advantage was to be able
to determine whether or not the sequencer was in sync to the tape
by comparing the click on the tape to the click coming from the
sequencer.
Does anyone in the file have a good amount of experience using the
ESQ-1 tape sync feature? In general, how reliable is it?
I've often heard complaints about trying to read program and sequence
data from tape but it's always been 99% reliable for me. What is
the general experience with the tape sync feature?
db
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642.125 | My ESQ lost it's mind | GIBSON::DICKENS | I hate cars | Tue Jan 05 1988 14:18 | 18 |
| New problem:
Last week, after hauling my ESQ down to the cape and back (in original
box; I don't have a case) my ESQ lost it's mind. All the seqences
were trashed; if you looked at the tracks page all the voice names
were garbage, including some wierd characters. The create page
showed 0 free memory, and deleting stuff didn't free any. When
you pressed play on a sequnce, it went into audition play mode.
I was going to take it in for service, but since obviously all my
un-backed up (and I'm a system manager) sequences were trashed,
I tried a clear all. Problem gone, works fine, lasts a long time.
Apparently somehow the memory map got corrupted. Any idea how to
avoid this kind of thing ? (other than backing up early and often)
Thanks,
-Jeff
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642.126 | | FROST::HARRIMAN | Here we come a'waffling | Wed Jan 06 1988 10:00 | 9 |
|
re: .-1
Mine did the same thing not too long ago. I had to totally reset
it. Lost a few things, nothing too serious (thanks to frequent backups
of the system). Turned out to be power glitches. I bought a line
conditioner (29.95 Rat Shack) and it hasn't lost a tick since.
/pjh
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642.127 | Could also be a bug | DYO780::SCHAFER | Resist. | Wed Jan 06 1988 12:52 | 6 |
| RE: current tack
When I had these problems, it was due to an O/S failure. What rev
of the s/w are you (all) running (2.3 is current)?
brad
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642.128 | | GIBSON::DICKENS | I hate cars | Thu Jan 07 1988 21:13 | 3 |
| I'm running V2.2.
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642.129 | whenever I have the time to go get it | FROST::HARRIMAN | On the 12th day, we reconfigured... | Fri Jan 08 1988 08:01 | 4 |
|
I have 2.0, but my 2.3 chip is waiting for me to put it in.
/pjh
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642.130 | Buggy software floating around... | COLORS::LICHTENBERG | Mitch Lichtenberg | Sat Jan 09 1988 21:56 | 17 |
|
I just brought my ESQ-1 back in to have one of the buttons fixed
(it didn't do much unless you pressed it very hard) and I asked
about getting a ROM upgrade. (this was at Union in worcester).
I have heard horror stories about version 2.3 and the almost
released 3.0 (which supposedly Ensoniq recalled before it could
be installed in anyone's machines). Supposedly 2.3 has some
bizarre sequencer problems.... could this be related?
I'm sticking to 2.0 for a while... till the dust settles!
BTW, I just (the other day) noticed that if you hold down
RECORD and press the MODES button, you get a little plug for
the authors of the software in the ESQ...
/Mitch.
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642.131 | ESQ software + plug for MIDI MERGE output | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Dave | Mon Jan 11 1988 09:46 | 35 |
| I haven't had any software problems and I've had the thing for almost
a year now. I'm planning to stick with whatever version I have
(2.1 I think) until I hear of a new version that has FEATURES I
feel I could really use.
One feature I've been intending to call Ensoniq and BEG for is
something that allows me to pass the MIDI IN data through to
MIDI out.
I generally sequence from my RD-300 but this is only possible if
the track I'm working on is either an RD track or an ESQ-1 track.
If I'm trying to create sequences for my MT-32 I have to switch
MIDI cords around cause the ESQ does not have THRU.
In other words,
For recording MT-32 tracks
RD OUT ----> MT-32 IN ---> MT-32 THRU ---> ESQ-1 IN
For playing back tracks
ESQ-1 OUT ---> MT-32 IN
Since the MT-32 has only one in, I have to switch cords around to
play the track, and then switch cords around to play it back.
Interestingly enough, the HR-16 *HAS* the feature of merging THRU
and OUT. This means I can program HR-16 tracks without having to
switch cords around to play them back.
I think *ALL* MIDI devices with input pads/keyboards/etc, should have
this feature.
db
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642.132 | ESQ diagnostic mode | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | How about a 40 watt plasma rifle? | Mon Jan 11 1988 10:21 | 12 |
| You can also check the condition of some of the ESQ-1 hardware by
pressing RECORD-COMPARE.
The display will show you the ADC outputs for the filters, both
wheels, the analog pedal, and memory-backup battery. Hitting F10
updates the values (it's not a continuous read/display loop).
It's handy if you think a wheel or pot is getting gratchy and you
want to check it for yourself.
-Bill Yerazunis
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642.133 | | HAMPS::NORTON_A | Andrew Norton, @BST | Wed Jan 13 1988 10:47 | 17 |
| re .125
Regarding total memory screw up. This has happened to me twice now
and it's due to powering the m/c direct at the mains outlet rather
than using the ESQ on/off switch. Software initialisation and memory
clear make no difference. It needs a hard reset by doing something
on the inside of the case. The first time it happened was at a service
centre and the guy told me always to use the ESQ power switch. He
reset it but I didn't see what he did. When it happened recently
I opened up the case. I couldnt see anything but a preset potentiometer
type thing - so I bravely (foolishly) shorted it out (with the mains
off!) When I powered it up ita all worked nicely. It may be coincidence
but at least my esq works again. software rev 2.0
Andrew
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642.134 | | GIBSON::DICKENS | I hate cars | Wed Jan 13 1988 17:14 | 20 |
| I was at Daddy's the other day (where I bought my ESQ) and those
yahoos couldn't, wouldn't, or just didn't want to tell me how much
it would cost me to get the new firmware rev. installed, or to get
my keyboard cleaned. I have a sticky key.
I really felt like I'd been s#!t on. Here I spend $1395 in their
store, and reminded them of the fact, and they still treat me just
as badly as when I hadn't bought anything there.
Can I install my own firmware upgrade ? Will this void my warrantee
?
Is there a good place to have my keyboard cleaned ? I also have
a sticky button, as well as one of the keys. I guess Miller High
Life wasn't the ideal lubricant. 8-{
BTW, they still say "the end of January" for the EPS. They did
have an SQ-80 there, though, along with a big sign saying to ask
for a demo of the EPS.
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642.135 | Bad Service from Daddy's? | HARDY::JKMARTIN | Jay Martin | Wed Jan 13 1988 17:46 | 3 |
| re: .134
Which Daddy's store was it?
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642.136 | but watch out for static | FROST::HARRIMAN | just start talking after the tone. | Thu Jan 14 1988 08:22 | 7 |
| re: .134
You should be able to install the upgrade yourself. It consists
of a PROM in a socket. Interesting about Daddy's. Which store was
it?
/pjh_who_likes_living_somewhere_other_than_MA
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642.137 | | GIBSON::DICKENS | I hate cars | Thu Jan 14 1988 13:36 | 2 |
| Nashua.
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642.138 | just like a number | HPSTEK::RENE | Drink your big black cow | Thu Jan 14 1988 16:20 | 5 |
| I have gotten the exact same response from the Nashua store.
It doesn't matter how much money you have spent there. You are just
a number to them.
Frank
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642.139 | Junky Daddy's Stores | SQM::VINSEL | | Thu Jan 14 1988 16:32 | 7 |
| I agree about Daddy's in general (At least NH ones). The thing that
gets me is how they don't even seem interested in assisting me when
I make it clear that I have $$$ in my pocket that's really trying
to get into there register.
pcv
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642.140 | | RANGLY::BOTTOM_DAVID | semi smokin' mama... | Fri Jan 15 1988 07:05 | 8 |
| Hm Daddys's is a store that I absolutely avoid, the Portsmouth
store (that once was a local store to me) is managed by a guy who
has got to be the biggest pain I have ever tried to deal with. They
treat people like some sort of escapee from a loony bin until they
see the green of your money...then as soon as it's their money the
revert.
dbII
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642.141 | ESQ-1 clinic in Keyboard Magazine | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Yo! | Wed Jun 15 1988 17:51 | 12 |
| In case you haven't already seen it, this month's issue of Keyboard
Magazine (w. Herbie Hancock and Chick Corea on the cover, ?Aug? 88)
has a clinic on the ESQ-1.
Like most articles and books of this type, most of it is fairly
uninteresting to anyone who has read the manual. But to anyone
who HAS read the manual there are also lots of interesting things
including further demystification of the mysterious "AM mode".
So, overall, well worth the 10 minutes it takes to read.
db
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642.142 | New Waveform ROMS for ESQ-1/M. | GEMVAX::LINNEHAN | Really DYO780::SCHAFER in Maynard | Wed Oct 19 1988 10:21 | 35 |
| Didn't know where else to put this - too many ESQ notes (stinking
moderator ought to get to work ...).
Anyway, this is hot off the USENET - I'll be getting the mod! 8-)
-b (*still* at PKO)
+----------
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Path: decwrl!labrea!rutgers!gatech!rebel!ralph
Subject: ESQ1 modification to add new waveforms
Posted: 18 Oct 88 01:42:09 GMT
Organization: Tolerant Systems, Atlanta GA
I had a brief phone conversation with a salesman (John Chase) at
Thoroughbred Music (Tampa, FL) earlier today in which he mentioned an
upcoming mod to the ESQ1. According to John, this mod, available in
about 1-2 months, will provide 32 NEW waveforms for current ESQ1s. If
I heard him correctly, an English company will produce the upgrade. I
did ask him whether this would be an addition to or a replacement for
the current 32 waveforms, to which he replied an addition(!).
This would seem to require at least a ROM and OS upgrade. No idea how
much it will cost, but he mentioned this in response to my question
about the current SQ80 price ($1599).
Has anyone else heard of this upgrade, or any other that adds
waveforms? I would think that Ensoniq could produce a mod like this
rather easily, but may not want to for fear of cutting into SQ80 sales
(assuming you don't need the disk drive and percussion voices in the
SQ80).
I'll post more info if/when I get it.
Ralph
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642.143 | Moved by moderator. | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad - back in Ohio. | Wed Dec 07 1988 12:38 | 39 |
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Note 1798.0 ESQ-1 Question ? 2 replies
COGVAX::LABAK "Don't Worry..Be Cranky" 8 lines 7-DEC-1988 08:39
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I resently purchased a used ESQ-1. I noticed that when I select the
PIANO 1 voice some of the notes sound distorted. This doesn't
seem to happen with any of the other voices. I tried tuning the
notes with the master tune but it is still distorted.
Is this a mechanical,electronic or voice related problem?
Thanks for the help on this.
Rick L.
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WEFXEM::COTE "Sing with the clams, knave!" 6 lines 7-DEC-1988 08:48
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-< My guess is the speakers... >-
Is it also distorted if you listen through headphones?
My synths have a couple patches that invariably send my speakers
into distortion mode....
Edd
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PAULJ::HARRIMAN "Just say Yo" 8 lines 7-DEC-1988 12:04
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re: .-2
Check the filter settings. There is some "natural" distortion
in the DCO "piano" multisample. COuld be the filter is wide open,
allowing you to hear it.
/pjh
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642.144 | Probably MOD wheel thrown forward. | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad - back in Ohio. | Wed Dec 07 1988 12:44 | 17 |
| Rick -
I moved this because there are already too many other ESQ topics in
this conference (insert appropriate DIR/TITLE comment).
Does it seem to be certain individual notes (C#2, Bb3), certain synth
voices (3rd note always bad, 7th note always bad), or every note?
By distorted do you mean signal breakup or "out of tune"?
THe PIANO1 patch detunes if the MOD wheel is thrown forward. It is
possible that the person you bought the machine from tweaked the patch.
Check your OSC1-3 tunings to see if they're out of line.
If you don't mean "out of tune", you'll have to answer a few of my
other questions before I can give much more help.
-b
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642.145 | Maybe a hammer will do it. | COGVAX::LABAK | Don't Worry..Be Cranky | Fri Dec 09 1988 11:46 | 9 |
| The notes that are distored are F# and G# below middle C. It's
not out of tune because I tried tuning the note with the master tuner.
I connected the ESQ-1 to a different amp with the same results.
The mod wheel is not thrown forward. I'll check the filter and
the OSC1-3 tuning tonight and see what happens. This is a factory
patch and I do have the factory patch tape. I could try dumping
those back down to and see if that helps.
Thanks for the helpful tips so far.
Rick L.
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642.146 | ESQze me. | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad - back in Ohio. | Mon Dec 12 1988 15:45 | 11 |
| If those are the only notes, it certainly sounds like the problem is
hardware related.
Try this - find an external keyboard and play the notes from it. Are
they still distorted? If so, try xposing the pitch up/down by
an octave and try it again. Are the *SAME TWO KEYS* still causing
problems, or are the *SAME TWO NOTES* distorted?
Also, what rev of the s/w are you running (displayed at power-up)?
-b
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642.147 | ESQ1 Third party upgrade | HAMPS::NORTON_A | Andrew Norton, South UK Region AC | Wed Jan 04 1989 09:35 | 43 |
| Here's something of interest from the UK January edition of Music Technology.
I'm typing it in over a modem so appologies for any typos.
Andrew.
Hard-working synth and sampler voice cartridge distributers Executive Audio
have announced a two-part PA Decoder expansion unit for the Ensoniq ESQ1, which
promises to add many new facilities as well as prolonging the life of the
machine.
The first part is a Wave Expansion unit, which comes in the form of a ROM
cartridge, and adds 32 new waveforms to the original Ensoniq presets. These
have been developed on a new 16-bit sampling system which has made it possible
to sample natural sounds in 16-bit quality and transfer them to the ESQ format.
New software has also been developed to edit the samples and make it possible
to filter out high frequency sub-harmonics (fizz), filter digitally, and both
expand and compress signals without loss of quality.
The second part is a RAM Expansion Unit and comes in the form of a retrofit
PCB. This not only expands the internal memory to eight banks and 320
memory locations, but also provides an intelligent control unit. This
processes MIDI commands, automatically selects suitable waveforms and
monitors the keys of the ESQ1.
The new units incorporate several new menu choices while maintaining easy and
problem-free operation. The two units can be used either individually or
together - the latter providing the most useful solution to supervising and
effecting changes of waveform.
Installation of the PCB should not affect compatibility with sounds created
using the original waveforms. In addition, librarian and editor programs should
be unaffected by the update. The new waveforms are resident in the ESQ1 along
with the original 32, but sounds can only be made up using one or the other.
Owners of ESQ1's or anybody looking to buy one either new or secondhand should
lookout for a review of t products in a forthcoming issue of Music Technology.
For further information ring Executive Audio on 01-541 0180.
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642.148 | ESQ/SQ ROM Compatability - moved by co-mod | DCSVAX::COTE | Bain Dramaged | Wed Jan 31 1990 06:38 | 26 |
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Note 2251.0 Ensoniq SQ80 ESQ wavetable ROMS compatability No replies
AYOV11::GKING "George King SCO AMT AYO 823-4247" 20 lines 30-JAN-1990 17:14
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This topic was mentioned some time ago, but since there is a
tendency to read the newer notes, here it is again.
In note 1001 ( May '88 ), the compatability of ESQ-1 wavetable
ROM's and SQ-80 ROM's was discussed. ie. plugging SQ80 roms in the
ESQ-1 to get the extra waveforms. The general speculation was
that it may be possible. Being nearly a year later, have there
been any futher developments ? Has anyone done it yet with or
without other softwar/hardware modifications ?
Since I have had my ESQ for a number of years and it is now well
and truly discontinued, I would of thought it would nice to do as
much as possible with all the bits'n'bobs that are left lying
around.
Thanks for any info,
George_who_still_thinks_esqs_are_one_of_the_greats
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642.149 | Alternative Waveforms Are Coming (Maybe) | AQUA::ROST | Everyone loves those dead presidents | Wed Jan 31 1990 08:24 | 13 |
|
There was something in the Transoniq Hacker a few months ago about
this. Sam Mims, who writes the patch column, apparently is coming out
with a cart for the ESQ that uses "alternative" waveforms (not SQ-80
ones, tho) that he found by partially crashing the machine. Anyway, he
was able to save off the memory contents and claims a number of useful
waveforms were created (how? I dunno...). Anyway, this cart will only
work on the ESQ-1, not the SQ-80. A technical discussion of this was
written up by someone else a few months ago, but I'm a recent
sucbscriber and don;t have that issue. Maybe someone who does can
elaborate?
Brian
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642.150 | ESQ Waveform hack | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Conliberative | Wed Jan 31 1990 16:05 | 28 |
| re: .148
The way it works is that you create an SQ-80 patch that uses
waveforms not on the ESQ, and then transfer it to the ESQ.
What happens is that you get some "garbage" wave forms, presumeably
the result of addressing out-of-bounds on some internal table.
The waveform you get is probably something like some operating system
code interpreted as a waveform.
Now one man's garbage wave is another man's "perfect wave".
The article said that some of the waveforms ARE harmonic (sound
like a particular pitch rather than just noise) and are pretty
interesting.
I think the ESQ waveforms are numbered (internally) 0-31 and the
SQ-specific waveforms are numbered 32-63. What you have to do
is create a patch where all three OSC's use waveform 63 and transfer
that to the ESQ.
The ESQ software will let you decrement to a waveform that
it doesn't have (like going from 50-49) but not increment up to
a waveform it doesn't have, if if the prior waveform was also
one it didn't have (that is, you can't go from 49-50).
That's why you have to start with a patch at waveform 63.
db
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642.151 | I think the "movement" fizzled out | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad - boycott hell. | Thu Feb 01 1990 10:41 | 29 |
| There was talk a few years ago of a ROM retrofit ... I called just
about everyone I could think of (and find out about) regarding this.
Supposedly, there was a company in the UK that was going to come out
with new ROMs for the ESQ (there are 2 wavetable ROMs in the ESQ-1),
but that never materialized.
The assertion that "partially crashing the machine" causes new
waveforms is utter bunk. You don't alter ROM by crashing software.
ROM & RAM in the ESQ supposedly use the same addressing scheme - RAM is
on one end of ROM. Old revs of ESQ software (pre v3.5) let you
"access" wave memory locations greater than 32, but they usually end up
giving you a garbage name, and often end up crashing the machine.
(Trust me - I've done it before.) V3.5 will at least call the waves
"WAV050" or something.
Of course, these "waves" are, as Dave said, really just locations in
memory where data is interpreted as a digitized wave (viz, spillover
into RAM). Most of these "waves" are total garbage, and not highly
useful. Generally, it just ain't worth the trouble, unless you're into
non-musical sounds.
However, there was one instance where I remember that you could
actually change the "wave" itself by modulating something - evidently,
one of the pseudo-waves was mapped from a piece of RAM, and that piece
of RAM contained numbers that were subject to change. That was really
weird.
-b
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642.152 | Do I need a Channel Filter? | REFINE::IGOE | | Sun Jun 17 1990 12:14 | 43 |
|
Well, after the recent discussion in note 891 about MT-32s and D-110s,
I decided to get the D-110 (ordered Wednesday morning, received Friday
afternoon, hurray for Sam Ash).
There is one problem I'm having, though, now that the D-110 is in my
"MIDI system". I like the concept of having a virtual instrument on
each channel, a concept that the D-110 fits right into. Unfortunately,
I'm having trouble getting my ESQ to work exactly the way I want.
Right now, my set-up looks like this:
________________________________________________________
| |
| |
| |-------| |----| |---| |
|-------|MPU-401|--------|D110|------------|ESQ|---------|
in |-------|out in|----|thru in|---|out /thru
Ch 1-8,16 Ch 9-15
The problem occurs when sequencing tracks intended for the D-110. I
have to set the ESQ to a D-110 channel, which causes it to respond to
the same data that is being soft-thrued by the sequencer and then
thrued by the D-110. I worked around this by setting up a silent patch
on the ESQ, which I select when recording D-110 parts. This gets to be
annoying because I have to switch channels to do the program change, so
as not to disturb the D-110 setting. Also, when I initiate playback on
Cakewalk, it sends program changes on all channels, so I have to make
sure the ESQ is set on one of its own channels when I do playback. On
top of that, the silent patch still uses up polyphony even though it
produces no sound, so I end up clipping my ESQ parts while recording
D-110 parts.
I either need a way to make the ESQ ignore the D-110's channels
completely, or an alternate set-up. I did a lot of reading before
posting this, and saw mention of channel filters. This sounds as if it
would do the trick, but I'd like the ESQ to do it for me.
Any comments? Will the Anatek Pocket Filter do what I need, if I go
that route?
- Pat
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642.153 | It Can Be Done Without Filters | CORAL::ROST | I'll do anything for money | Mon Jun 18 1990 10:56 | 15 |
| Two possibilities:
1. Can't Cakewalk rechannelize? Most sequencers can take input on
channel X and record it/play it on channel Y instead. Then you leave
the ESQ on any channel from 9-15 and rechannelize to 1-8 when recording
D-110 parts.
2. Do you really use only seven ESQ tracks? I assume you are using an
ESQ sequence as a "template" for your multi setup (as described in the
Ensoniq manual). As long as you have the one spare track on the
template, set it to SEQ and the ESQ-1 will not play anything received
over that MIDI channel. From the MIX/MIDI page you can easily change
the MIDI channel/patch select for that track.
Brian
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642.155 | This may be a good enough solution | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | This is your brain on Unix | Mon Jun 18 1990 16:57 | 33 |
| Well, I'm not sure I completely understand everything you've said,
but here is something that may be "enough" if not "perfect".
You mentioned the solution of setting up a "silent patch" using the
"SEQ" setting of the "track status" (from the MIX page).
I think what would work better is to set up a silent track. That is
a track whose status is SEQ (as opposed to LOCAL, BOTH or MIDI although
MIDI might work too).
So let's say I want to record a DIGPNO track using channel 4.
I set up the following two tracks
Track # MIDI Channel Status Program/Patch
1 4 BOTH DIGPNO
8 4 SEQ doesn't matter
When I'm ready to record, I select track 8 on the ESQ. That causes
what I play to go out over channel 4 - the data on channel coming
on channel 4 is "sounded" by track 1.
You shouldn't have to touch anything on the ESQ-1 to play it back.
It may be important that the silent track have a higher track # than
the non-silent track so I would adopt the convention of doing it that
way (although it may not matter - I'm just not sure.)
So the idea, is that you always use track 8 to record. When you want
to record on a different channel just change the MIDI channel # on
track 8 to that channel.
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642.156 | Supposedly A Safety Feature | AQUA::ROST | I'll do anything for money | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:38 | 13 |
| > It may be important that the silent track have a higher track # than
> the non-silent track so I would adopt the convention of doing it that
> way (although it may not matter - I'm just not sure.)
Actually it is *very* important. If two (or more) tracks are set to
the same MIDI channel, while all will *transmit* data, only the lowest
numbered track will *receive* data.
So, in db's example, if you swapped tracks ("silent" on 1, DIGPNO on 8)
the DIGPNO track wouldn't sound.
Brian
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642.157 | Update on the ESQ-1 "Mystery" Waveforms | AQUA::ROST | I'll do anything for money | Mon Jun 18 1990 17:52 | 15 |
| The Syntaur Soundset 3 patch collection with the "mystery" waveforms is
reviewed in the new Hacker. The reviewer liked some of the patches,
and figured the weaknesses were mostly due to the fact that the
addressed ROM contents aren't actually waves. Supposedly some nice new
bells and D-50ish patches included.
> The assertion that "partially crashing the machine" causes new
> waveforms is utter bunk. You don't alter ROM by crashing software.
"Partially crashing" is what Syntaur programmer Sam Mims himself said
in the Hacker a few issues ago. But I agree with your statement. You
do need OS 3.4 or 3.5 for this to work, supposedly it will crash other
OS versions to use these patches.
Brian
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642.158 | Not so fast there... | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | This is your brain on Unix | Tue Jun 19 1990 09:42 | 10 |
| re: .156
> Only the lowest numbered track will *receive* data.
Even if that track is set to a MIDI status that does NOT receive
data on playback, like SEQ.
See... that's what I'm not sure about. Do you know for sure?
db
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642.159 | SQ-80 problems - moral question | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | This is your brain on Unix | Tue Jun 19 1990 09:49 | 29 |
| As the title of this note is about problems, I must say that I am
now *VERY* frustrated with my SQ-80.
It has had an intermmittent problem where the keyboard and the
buttons stop functioning. This is usually accompanied by a loud
blast that sounds like it generated an "All Notes On". To make it
worse nothing short of turning the unit off gets rid of it - yep,
not even the volume slider!!!!
I've had it in the shop 3 times already. The first two times they
couldn't reproduce the problem, even though it happened just about
every time I turned it on. And it doesn't seem to be an environment
thing because it's happened in a number of configurations, rooms,
temperatures/humidities, etc. (Yes, it *HAS* happened at gigs!)
The third time, they were able to reproduce it. They (Daddy's) did
a "hard reset", charged me $50, but it still fails.
I'm very frustrated now because I no longer have any confidence that
if I take this thing to a gig, I'll have something to play.
It's about to go into the shop for the 4th time.
One thing I'm curious about is if anyone thinks that if Ensoniq can't
fix it, that I'm morally obliged to a replacement?
As it stands now, I regard the thing as being useless to me.
db
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642.160 | Not Bugs, But Features | AQUA::ROST | I'll do anything for money | Tue Jun 19 1990 09:58 | 12 |
| Re: .159
One thing about Ensoniq stuff is that when they have problems they seem
to be *big* ones. You should call the factory about this problem.
Judging by mail in the Hacker, there are plenty of situations where
they have replaced mother boards, etc. to fix bugs.
If it's not under warranty, there is no "moral" obligation to replace
it. I seem to recall you don't have the latest OS (1.8). Again,
knowing Ensoniq that may be the ticket.
Brian
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642.161 | Go to the salsa...eh I mean Source | NWACES::PHILLIPS | | Tue Jun 19 1990 14:50 | 8 |
| Dave,
I ocasionally read the USENET group rec.music.synth, and I know Ensoniq
has someone that monitors that group with the specific purpose of resolving
user problems. Quite a few people who flamed Ensoniq in the past are
now singing them priases. If you have access to that group, it may be
worth your while.
Errol
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642.162 | If you have $150.00 to spare.... | CSC32::MOLLER | Hit by a truck, License # RDB31A | Tue Jun 19 1990 15:18 | 26 |
| I've just replaced the keyboard on my ESQ1, as it was intermittantly
falling apart. There are some plastic supports under each key that
are used to limit upward & downward travel. These were what were
breaking in random places in the keyboard.
I talked to some people at Ensoniq & they mentioned that the
keyboards on Mirages, ESQ1's and SQ-80's occasionally fail.
The price for the replacement keyboards (the price for shops) is
$120.00. I found that the the local shop here in Colorado keeps
them in stock (as they are seeing quite a few keyboard related
failures) and are selling the keyboards for $150.00 (I installed
it myself). They (ProSound) mentioned that they are replacing a
few keyboards per month.
I've talked to 2 other Ensoniq keyboard users & they have had problems
with thier keyboards (one had 11 malfunctioning keys, which occasionally
left notes stuck on - how useful).
I understand that the keyboards used in the EPS and VFX are a different
design, and shouldn't have the same problems.
If the problem appears to go away when you are not using the SQ-80
keyboard, but using the SGU part (ie, the sequencer only), The problem
might be in the keyboard.
Jens
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642.163 | Looks like the VFX-SD will have to wait a bit | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | This is your brain on Unix | Wed Jun 20 1990 09:55 | 28 |
| I don't think it's the keyboard because when the problem occurs
neither the keys nor the buttons work.
One theory that's been offered that makes a certain amount of sense
to me is that it's a problem with the power supply. The unit sometimes
fails without me doing anything. But that wouldn't (necessarily) explain
why turning it off and on again doesn't help.
We're going to send it to Ensoniq and see what they have to say.
I also have heard that no Ensoniq repair customer goes away
unsatisified. The problem is resolved, or the unit is swapped.
I think I can make a very good case for them doing right by me:
o I'm known to them as a big Ensoniq booster (I've talked
with their engineers about enhancements, tricks, etc.)
o I've told Daddy's that it's always been my plan to get a VFX-SD
(and they know I stick to my plans) and I made it known that
if the end result is that I'm left with a keyboard I can't
use I won't be buying any more Ensoniq products.
o I've already put up with a lot already (4 times in the shop,
major bucks down the drain, problems at gigs, etc.)
I'll keep you posted.
db
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642.164 | Usenet rumors | LNGBCH::STEWART | | Thu Sep 13 1990 12:37 | 14 |
|
Just saw a note on the Usenet regarding manufacturing problems at
Ensoniq. I'll include it here later, but the gist of the story
is that Ensoniq's solder vendor changed its formula without telling
Ensoniq. The new flux crystallizes after a few months and starts
falling across contacts. Ensoniq has approved warranty repairs
for at least some keyboards affected by this problem. More
details as they become available. Contact Ensoniq directly if
you believe your synth is one of the affected units.
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642.165 | Subtle Bug With The CV Pedal | AQUA::ROST | Rockette Morton takes off into the wind | Tue Sep 18 1990 09:58 | 37 |
|
Just in case anyone's interested:
When using the CV pedal on the ESQ-1 and SQ-80, it can be used as
either a modulator or a volume pedal (except in the earliest ESQ-1 OS
versions, where volume isn't supported). The way the PEDAL parameter
in the master page is interpreted is that response to *both* the local
pedal and CC #4 over MIDI is determined by this.
A bizarre side effect of this is as follows:
1. XCTL = 4 doesn't do anything. Normally you can set XCTL to allow
use of MIDI CCs as modulators. However, to use CC #4 as a modulator,
the ESQ patch must specify PEDAL as the mod source, not XCTL (this is
mentioned in the manual where XCTL is discussed).
2. When PEDAL is set to VOL, the ESQ transmits *both* CC #4 and CC #7
over MIDI. However, it recognizes the two independently.
What does this mean? Let's say you are using the ESQ with an outboard
sequencer. You have PEDAL set to VOL and record a part. Later, when
playing it back, you have PEDAL set to MOD. If the patch you are using
has PEDAL as a mod source, you will hear modulation tracking the volume
changes!!! Neat bug....
Apparently, when they added the volume option, it was a quick hack.
Internally, pedal data is tied to CC #4 *only*. CC #7 is supported if
received via MIDI, and when using the CV pedal for volume, the
designers did a cheat of sending out CC #7 messages which were
duplicates of the CC #4 messages....without shutting CC #4 off.
Luckily, most other manufacturers don't have pedals, and therefore
don't respond to CC #4. Unfortunately, the only way to filter
controllers on an ESQ is to filter all of them at once, you can't
filter out just CC #4 and let CC #7 pass. If you use two Ensoniq
boards MIDIed together, you could get into some trouble.
Brian
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642.166 | Public Domain Patch Librarian for the Amiga | RGB::ROST | Spike Lee stunt double | Tue Oct 01 1991 10:19 | 9 |
| I have posted a public domain patch librarian that runs on the Amiga up
to MIDILIB. It is called ESQ1_0.LZH, and must be decompressed before
using. The decompressed docs are available in ESQ_DOC. (note no
extension!)
The program is mostly mouse driven and allows up/downloading of patch
banks and sequencer banks, as well as rearranging patches in banks.
Brian
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