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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

467.0. "COMMUSIC Tape Two Distribution Ideas" by CANYON::MOELLER (Donde esta los DEMPRS?) Wed Aug 13 1986 15:41

This past weekend I saw/heard the USENET tape. I was real impressed 
by the audio quality (not necessarily the content) and the appearance 
of the USENET tape. The USENET folks have taken a different approach 
with distribution and have apparently used a commercial duplicator 
for copies, with one central contact point. There is a two-color 
professionally printed cover. Plus, the cost to listeners is $4.00, 

	NO WAITING. need I repeat this salient point?
    
Perhaps we might like to reconsider our distribution method. With
as few as 50 orders/deposits, a commercial duplicator might work
well. these are available nearly everywhere.

After the (cassette) master is produced, and  a duplicator contacted,
the next step would be to get an insert/cover printed. If anyone
has any ideas of alternatives to a graphics house laying out the
cover, please post them. Perchance someone with a PC with graphics
and a graphics printer. That would yank down the cover creation costs 
to $0.00. Then going to a quick-print shop (you know, they're on every 
corner) for a quick 100 covers.. at probably less than $0.25 each.
    
Then all that'd be required is to set up a central distribution
point. Looks to me that ~$3.00/copy would be no sweat. Unless I'm really
off base on the cover creation costs.
    
There would also be a matter of 'minimum order' for the duplication.
Can we seriously expect an upfront, CASH IN HAND deposit from everyone
music unheard, of 50 copies ?????
    
probably. there was a LOT of listener addresses for tape 1.

Cost per tape formula:                         my estimates up front:

	duplicator quote per copy		$2.00
		+
	printer quote per cover			$0.25
		+
	mailing cost per copy			$0.71
		+ 
	padded cassette mailer			$0.25
        ----------------------			------
	  total cost per tape			$3.21

The above figure assumes that some noter will contribute the
cover art/titles in ready-to-print format.

I would be willing to collect MONEY and ADDRESSES of the PREPAID 
listeners. THEN:
    
a) receive the ready-to-copy cassette master from someone     
b) receive/create the cover content
c) get covers printed ACAP (as cheaply as possible)
d) get cassettes duplicated... good quality ones
e) collect or just receive assembled Liner Notes & post to conference
f) purchase padded cassette mailers
g) do a mass mailing to all PREPAID listeners

karl moeller    
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467.1Sounds Good, But..ERLANG::FEHSKENSWed Aug 13 1986 15:5713
    Two things:
    
    1) I would pay up front, given what I've already heard, to hear
    more.
    
    2) Can a commercial duplicator handle the dynamic range issues.
    Remember, most of our stuff is going to be uncompressed, and recorded
    at low levels to leave headroom.  Are we going to get back 50 copies
    with outrageous distortion levels because the dupes were copied
    too hot (to avoid noise problems)?
    
    len.
    
467.2depends on the quality of the master...CANYON::MOELLERDonde esta los DEMPRS?Wed Aug 13 1986 17:318
    ? CAN a commercial duplicator handle the dynamic range issues ?
    
    I dunno... seems to me that's more a matter of the levels on the
    master being carefully matched. I did NO gain-riding while copying
    the master. Of course, my old NAK 700 can handle up to +7db peak
    without sizzling.
    
kmII    
467.3count me inDSSDEV::SAUTERJohn SauterWed Aug 13 1986 17:453
    Hell, for $3.21 I'll sign up without having heard tape 1.
    (I'm still waiting for it!)
        John Sauter
467.4Oh boy, no more distribution lists!BAILEY::RHODESWed Aug 13 1986 18:335
    Yea, its worth it.  $3.21 is peanuts when you get down to it.  Not
    only would it be faster, but each individual's copy of the master
    would be of higher quality than the "done at home" copys (ie: tape1).
    
    Todd.
467.5Me toMINDER::KENTThu Aug 14 1986 06:167
    
    Yup I'll contribute the $3.21 plus the cost of postage to hear.
    
    BTW Are we still taking input to tape 2 if so? where and how ?
    
    					Paul.
    
467.6BAXTA::BOTTOM_DAVIDThu Aug 14 1986 08:207
    Count me in....
    
    Maybe the person who does the master should do some peak limiting
    to handle the dynamic range thing. WHose got the dbx noise reduction,
    dbx compressors, and a good system to work on?
    
    dave
467.7call our operators now and...CAR::OPERATORboy, this is fun!Thu Aug 14 1986 09:414
    where do I send my dough?
    
    fly on the wall
    
467.8Me tooNIMBUS::DAVISThu Aug 14 1986 09:517
    Add me to the list of takers for this approach. One question - is
    it necessary to give the duplicators a cassette or can they copy
    from a reel-to-reel. Seems like the quality would be better if someone
    could create the master on a good quality half track.
    
    Rob
    
467.9double your money, double your funGNERIC::LOWI don't need luck - I need apotheosisThu Aug 14 1986 12:436
    
    Sounds good.  Can we include Tape #1 in this, for those of us who
    depair of ever receiving a hand-me-down copy?
    
    David
    
467.10BIGALO::BOTTOM_DAVIDThu Aug 14 1986 13:505
    I'd vote for a new copy o fone, just to get a better fidelity for
    listening.....maybe the whole thing could be remastered slightly
    to correct drop outs and leveling swings and done as a package deal...
    
    dave
467.11half tracks will travelCANYON::MOELLERDonde esta los DEMPRS?Thu Aug 14 1986 13:5933
    It's nice that the idea is taking hold. BUT:
    
    - the $3.21 is an off-the-cuff ESTIMATE.
    based on some sucker/I mean volunteer to do the cover layout
    on a graphics sytem/printer, and the guesstimate on the per-
    cover cost for printing. The tape duplication costs are right
    on.
    
    - Brad Schafer seems to be away. As he was the constructor of Tape 1 
    and (most of) Tape 2, I'd like to hear from him before ramming this
    brave new vision down his throat. Perhaps he can complete the
    Tape 2 Master and send it here for duplication/distribution.
    hmmm... I seem to have advice'd myself right into a lot of work..
    
    Re: Brad's taking issue with certain lyrical content: I don't know
    whose music he had in mind, but it would be nice to know what resolve,
    if any, they came to. That is, 
    
    	IS TAPE TWO READY TO ROLL ?
    
    - Tape 2 on Half-Track: not a bad idea, but would require someone
    with a setup which included BOTH dbx and Dolby cassette dex, plus
    a good halftrack deck. 
      Uhh.. open reel tape is ~$10 per 7" reel these days. A 7" reel 
    (remember, on a halftrack you can't turn it over for side B)
    at 15ips only lasts 22 minutes. And I can't see bothering with half-
    track tape if the speed is only 7 1/2ips. 
      So, if our fantasy is a 90-minute cassette, that would require 4 
    7" reels at ~$10.00 APIECE. Plus, the duplicator would have to swap 
    reels in mid-dup. So I think the costs and cumbersomeness of the 
    Half-Track idea outweigh any S/N advantages it might have.

    karl moeller    
467.13TOm's TAlents TAntalizeERLANG::BDBrian D. HandspickerThu Aug 14 1986 18:297
    All right! A tape contribution from TOm! 
    
    Er, but then *I* not one to talk ... I don't suppose this
    project needs an architect ...software or otherwise? ;^)
    
    bd_the_frustrated_follower_of_Frank_Loyd_Wright
    
467.14APOLLO::DEHAHNFri Aug 15 1986 17:0810
    
    Re: half-track
    
    What Karl sez is true, but if you still think it's a good idea I
    have an Otari 5050B, dbx and several Dolby casette decks at my
    disposal.
    
    CdH
    
    
467.16Ahm hyare, Ahm hyare!DYO780::SCHAFERGet > or get <Mon Aug 18 1986 12:3443
Re: all
    
    Hello, after all this time.
    
    1. I've been getting jerked around by mgmt (again) so have not had
       lots of time to note or to work on tape 2.  (I.e., DEC has been
       very demanding of late.)
    
    2. Was on vacation from Aug 8-15.
    
    3. TEAC IS STILL DEAD!  It will be fixed this week or I will have
       my day in court (literally).
    
    4. The lyric thing was written in extreme frustration.  Although
       I have some extreme reservations about lyrics and content, I
       will withdraw my objections (please ignore previous mail) and
       will NOT try to inflict my opinions on everybody.  I'll let you
       all decide what you do and don't like.  Pardon the temporary
       insanity.

Re: Karl
    
    Tape 2 will be done this week, or my name ain't Bugs Bunny.  I do not
    have anything put together for the tape yet, so I may not appear on
    this one, either.  (Not that anyone cared, eh?)  Since my TEAC has been
    down, I have not been able to do any recording of any kind.
    Nevertheless, I will try to get this second tape completed this week. 
    
    And yeah, I AM getting burnt out on this thing.  I would make a
    suggestion, though - why not find someone out there in Noteland who has
    access to a decent quality duplicating machine, and mail them the
    master?  Or has this already been discussed? 

    Here's another wrinkle for you to consider - if we limit each tape to
    90 minutes apiece (and we force submissions to be on C90s), I could
    always make 1st gen copies of the master and mail back out to you.  Of
    course, any subsequent compilers may not want to fool with this.
    Comments? 

    Still recovering from vacation/work, but glad to be back in commusic
    land ... 
    
8^)
467.17Message from KM2DAIRY::SHARPSay something once, why say it again?Fri Aug 29 1986 16:578
KM2 has asked me to forward the message that he is unfortunately
semi-incommunicado for an indefinite period. I've been getting mail to him
at USLASL::MOELLER, and I've just started sending him daily extracts from
COMMUSIC, but due to some kind of bean-counting mania his regular node,
CANYON, is either temporarily or permanently unavailable for NOTES access.
I'll keep you posted on whatever I hear from him.

Don.
467.18whatever happened to....CAR::OPERATORboy, this is fun!Wed Sep 10 1986 12:4513
    a couple of things.....
    	any more tape 1 reviews coming in the next year or two?
    
    	does anyone know what happened to tape II?
    
    	i'm mildly curious about the tape 1 reviews
    	and extremely anxious about tape 2 cuz i got (i hope!)
    a couple of pieces on it and would like to hear the final
    results....both how the tape sounds (to me) and how the
    audiences react.
    	anyone have any respones?
    	rik s
    
467.19Did we fail?BARNUM::RHODESThu Sep 11 1986 11:4811
It seems the interest in hearing tape 2 is fizzling out.  This does not
seem fair to those who have contributed...

Brad seems much too busy dealing with work and equipment problems.
Is CdH willing to volunteer to compile tape 2?  Seems he has the necessary
equipment...

Let's get this thing moving...

Todd. (where's_Karl_Moeller_when_you_need_him)

467.20Sign me up !!!FRSBEE::ROLLAThu Sep 11 1986 13:509
    
    ?????????? I'm new to this particular note... How can I get a hold of 
    tape 1 or tape 2.  Where do I send the $$$$$$.
    
    I've been reading the comm notesfile for a while and I'm dying 
    to hear what you guys are doing.
    
    Mike 
    
467.211 apology + 1 comment = 1 replyBARTOK::ARNOLDSmiley faces not included.Thu Sep 11 1986 13:5421
    Re: .18
    
    I have to apologize for not doing my review of Tape I yet.  I'm
    now embroiled in the transition back to full-time academics (at
    Brown U. courtesy of GEEP).  I had planned to do the review before
    I got here but had to finish up my projects.  I want to write the
    review while I'm listening to the tape so I can make coherent comments.
    If I'm lucky, that will be 1-2 more weeks.  Trust me, it will get
    done.  (After all, I've gotten a lot of info from reading other
    people's reviews and want to give what I have received.)
    
    I hope Tape II gets started soon, too.  As we've seen, sending tapes
    around can take an infinite amount of time.  The ssoner the better.
    Having heard Tape I, I'm anxious to hear the contributions on Tape
    II.
    
    Well, if i can get this homework done, maybe I can start on my review
    this weekend...
    
    - John -
    
467.22MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVIDThu Sep 11 1986 13:589
    Karl unfortunatly is exiled due to some sort of bs,......but you
    can rattle his cage at USLASL::MOELLER...please do, last I heard
    he was missing the interaction......
    
    I thought we were going to mass produce tape II???It seemed the
    best idea.....actually I'd go for a reproduce of tape I as well
    but that may not be real popular.....
    
    dave
467.23Well!JAWS::COTEEtude Brut?Thu Sep 11 1986 18:1417
    Seeing as I'm itchin' to do something with my new reel to reel and
    I only have 3 tracks, I'll volunteer the following...
    
    Send me the cassettes that did or will go to Brad. Any kind of
    noise reduction is fine.
    
    I'll compile the pieces onto the reel at 7.5 ips, no N/R. I can
    eq to the submitter's request or, if the submitter wants, use my
    own discretion.
    
    Then, orders can be placed with me. I'll fill the order upon
    reciept of (1.) Blank tape and postage, or (2.) $$ for tape
    and postage. Specify N/R requested or get Dolby B by default.
    
    Yes? No? Edd, take a hike?
    
                              
467.24BIGALO::BOTTOM_DAVIDFri Sep 12 1986 09:123
    let me know when ordering is in process..
    
    dave
467.25I reserve the right to censor...JAWS::COTEGuadalahara won't do!Fri Sep 12 1986 09:3930
    By the way...
    
    There are a few words I will not duplicate! Too bad for those who
    don't like it. If your submission contains these I will *NOT* include
    it on the master.
    
    
    These are the words....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                      flagulate
                      Mesopotamia
                      geo-thermal
                      sitzmark
                      "leveraged buy-out"
                      PLUMSCON
                      
    Please don't waste your time and money sending me songs that contain
    this type of crap.
    
    Edd
    
467.26New Life!BAILEY::RHODESFri Sep 12 1986 09:565
Sounds good, Edd.  Can you send mail to Brad and figure the cost of postage
needed to transfer the tapes to you, and fold that into the final tape cost?

Todd.
                      
467.27'at's 'a'way ya do it....JAWS::COTEGuadalahara won't do!Fri Sep 12 1986 10:068
    I just Brad an electro-gram asking him to forward the individual
    tapes to me.
    
    If we wanna really get this thing flying, send me another cassette
    submission tape. I'll hold it until I get 90 minutes worth and
    mail it back to you full of goodies.
    
    Edd
467.28Go for itNIMBUS::DAVISFri Sep 12 1986 10:077
    That sounds like a very generous offer Edd, and if you can afford
    the time to do copies for everyone it should make distribution
    a lot better. I think there's still enough of us interested to keep
    the project going and I'll gladly put up the $5 or whatever it costs
    to get a copy of Tape 2. Thanks for the effort.
    
    Rob
467.29love them naughty wordsCAR::OPERATORboy, this is fun!Fri Sep 12 1986 10:2911
    Ed.....I love your humor!
    	maybe you should give music up and do stand up comedy...
    	I'd pay..!
    
    	anyway...from what i read it seems as though you're looking
    for new masters to be sent for compilation?
    	If so....garret and I will send you our contributions, both
    music and money.
    
    	rik
    
467.30... back in the saddle again.JAWS::COTEGuadalahara won't do!Fri Sep 12 1986 10:5511
    ... just got word from Brad. He will send me the submissions tapes
    he currently has. Some were returned to owners (Len? anyone else?).
    To those .. please resubmit to me.
    
    I'll start a new note to track submissions. Just like tape 1.
    
    My address                  74 South Oxford Road
                                Millbury, MA.  01527
    
    Let's go!
    Edd
467.31Gave at the office, but...JUNIOR::DREHERCruising Known SpaceFri Sep 12 1986 11:174
    If you submitted once, can you submit again?  It's been four
    months since tape 1 was compiled with my object module...
    
    D^2
467.32miasmic melodyJON::LOWaka the NULL processFri Sep 12 1986 14:5210
    
    Looks like I'm gonna have to change the name of my latest hit:
    
    
    	"I've got the flagellatin' geo-thermal Mesopotamian blues"
    
    It's a shame - it's about my job at the Mill.
    
    David
    
467.33If you must...JAWS::COTEGuadalahara won't do!Fri Sep 12 1986 15:186
    re: .31
    
    Sure Dave, submit again. I can't imagine anyone saying "Oh no, another
    dreary Dreher tune with the sickening vocalist..."
    
    Edd
467.34under wayAPOLLO::DEHAHNFri Sep 12 1986 17:499
    
    Thanks, Edd, for volunteering. I'm REAL busy now with work (DEC)
    as well as DJing and sound reinforcement/recording. However, if
    you need additional help with anything, ie. mixdown, copying, etc.
    don't be afraid to get in touch.
    
    Chris deHahn
    C     d H
    
467.35Uh, Gee, it must've fell off the tape, I guess...ERLANG::FEHSKENSMon Sep 15 1986 12:134
    When we "resubmit", can we "reconsider"?
    
    len (who'd like to take this opportunity to suppress some junk)
    
467.36$29.95 suppression fee....JAWS::COTEGuadalahara won't do!Mon Sep 15 1986 12:235
    No, Len you MUST submit junk. We will have no repression.
    
    Of course you can. Consider it a whole new ball of oxide.
    
    Edd
467.37Back On the AirCANYON::MOELLERunable to metabolize starchTue Sep 16 1986 19:5411
    Well, Edd, as you receive the dubs from Brad (NOW I understand,
    you're dubbing the takes to open reel!) will YOU post the 
    author/title into your own new topic?
    
    And are you REALLY gonna dup all twelve copies for us?
    
    The reason I want you to post what Brad sends you is that it's
    been so long since I mailed the submissions off to him, I
    forgot what they were!
    
    Karl deMoeller
467.38Karl who?JAWS::COTEGuadalahara won't do!Wed Sep 17 1986 09:0510
    As soon as I get da stuff from Brad I'll post it.
    
    Yep, I plan to make copies for everyone who wants one. It's a bit
    more of a PITA for moi, but considering how long Tape I has been
    circulating, I think it's worth it. Now the tape can't get rerouted,
    lost, misplaced....
    
    Oh, and welcome back to Notesland! (Now go home!   ;^))
    
    Edd
467.39Grusse aus den Upper Sonora Desert..CANYON::MOELLERunable to metabolize starchWed Sep 17 1986 14:137
    I thought that our language lesson 'took', Edd.
    
    It's GuadalaJara !!!
    
    Get the 'H' out!
    
    kmII
467.40Fixed!JAWS::COTEGuadala*J*ara won't do...Wed Sep 17 1986 14:325
    Is CANYON:: comin' down again anytime soon?
    
    Are you jappy now witj my spelling?
    
    Edd
467.41JesCANYON::MOELLERunable to metabolize starchThu Sep 18 1986 13:401
    
467.42What gives?JAWS::COTEGuadala*J*ara won't do...Tue Sep 23 1986 12:054
    The response to date has been, uh, underwhelming... (1 tape received)
    Has the interest waned?
    
    Edd
467.43???BARNUM::RHODESTue Sep 23 1986 12:174
I thought Brad already had the material compiled for tape 2.  Why the
quest for new material?

Todd.
467.44...???BARNUM::RHODESTue Sep 23 1986 12:197
Oops.  last reply should state:

I thought Brad already had the material COLLECTED for tape 2.  Why the
quest for new material?

Todd.

467.45bbbrand new beginningCAR::OPERATORboy, this is fun!Tue Sep 23 1986 13:0617
    I believe in a previous note (unlike a previous life) Edd asked
    us all to start at the beginning and send a new copy of our stuff
    to him. 
    	So, i have given a tape to Dave dreher who is furiously
    slaving away to put a copy of 2 of my pieces on that tape.
    Meanwhile, I've been so busy jamming with noters and trying to
    amend my reputation that I've done absolutely nothing towards
    putting any of my 4-track stuff on a tape to send to Edd.
    	Tonight and tomorrow night are reserved for doing mixdowns
    to tape from my cute little 4 track so I can send at least my
    4-track stuff to Edd.
    	Uh, Edd....is there a limit on how many songs a person can
    send?
    
    	rik-who's-going-to-get-it-to-you-soon.....
    
    
467.46All in all it's just a...tape in the mail.HANDEL::KLOSTERMANStevie KTue Sep 23 1986 14:1010
	Ok, I'll send another tape.  But, for people who did already submit it
does seem easier to just grab the original material en masse from Brad, eh? At
least Ed is within driving distance, so if necessary we can hassle him in person
:-). 

	Earlier Brad had posted an index of the material he was going to put on
the second tape.  Do you plan to stick to that order?  That included some of
Len's stuff and my stuff that's been sitting in limbo since before tape 1
was even compiled.
467.47questions! questions!JAWS::COTEThe sparkle of your China...Tue Sep 23 1986 14:148
    Given that I haven't received the tapes from Brad yet, at this point
    I think it best to go on the assumption that we are starting from
    scratch. I'll modify that if/when I get the shipment from Brad...
    
    How many selections? I dunno. 2-3 like on tape 1 I guess. More if
    space will allow it.
    
    Edd
467.48address please....DONJON::CROWLEYTue Sep 23 1986 16:085
    
    Where do we send the tapes too????  
    
    Ralph
    
467.49Send 'em here...JAWS::COTEThe sparkle of your China...Tue Sep 23 1986 16:233
    Edd Cote
    74 South Oxford Rd.
    Millbury, MA.  015327
467.50of course, of course...CANYON::MOELLERmeet my cat Mandu,my dog Edd Lee..Wed Sep 24 1986 14:2110
    Jeez, Mr. Edd, I have a lot of interest, and a lot of tunes, which 
    could go on your incarnation of Tape Two. 
    
    But, as I sent good clean dubs to Brad, I figured I'd wait to see
    what he sent you...
    
    Also, I sent 'Liner Notes' to Brad. Is he FORWARDing those to you
    as well ?
    
    karl_II_the_Lazy
467.51BAXTA::BOTTOM_DAVIDWed Sep 24 1986 15:554
    Double Jeez Mr. Edd....I've always got more.....2 more in fact that
    I just recorded this weekend.....                   
    
    dave
467.52PK KP PKMINDER::KENTFri Sep 26 1986 05:049
    
    Seeing as how I'me going through my post LA phase at the moment
    perhaps you chaps would like to hear some of my later stuff.
    
    Will post it on Monday. Should get to you ED by Thursday. Will this
    be in time.
                        	Paul.
    			
    
467.53Is mine still in existence?DSSDEV::SAUTERJohn SauterFri Sep 26 1986 08:274
    I would sure appreciate it if my original submission to tape 2
    could somehow be conveyed to the right person.  I mastered directly
    onto cassette, so I don't have another copy.
        John Sauter
467.54REGENT::SCHMIEDERMon Sep 29 1986 13:319
RE: .53

I feel similarly.  I spent a lot of time polishing up my tape, and haven't
even had time to practice much lately so I sure don't want to waste time making
a THIRD master!  Not to mention it would be embarassing since everything is
now, once again, "old".


				Mark
467.55Brad, you there, mon?JAWS::COTEYou're too cool to fool...Mon Sep 29 1986 13:436
    I've been unable to reach node DYO780, so I can't verify the status
    of the original submissions. (But, I can say *I* don't have them!)
    
    I'll keep you all up to date....
    
    Edd
467.56And now, this update....JAWS::COTEHey! I can't play these things!Wed Oct 15 1986 15:539
    Well, I received an electrogram from Brad with liner notes submitted
    by KMII, Rob Davis, Garrett Marotta, and Mark Schmeider.
    
    It looks like tape 2 may be back in gear! 
    
    I wouldn't be surprised if my mailbox was stuffed full of cassettes
    when I get home tonite....
    
    Eed
467.57abacabJON::ROSStomorrow is tomorrow tomorrowWed Oct 15 1986 23:448
    Is there a 'drop-dead' date for tape II entries?
    
    Song length max?
    
    etc?
    
    ron
    
467.58The CommusicVille Horror.....JAWS::COTEHey! I can't play these things!Thu Oct 16 1986 09:2748
    First the good news...
    
          As I noted earlier, I received the tapes from Brad. Thanks
    for getting them out!
    
    
    Now the bad news....
    
          The tape II project is HAUNTED!!!  When we last heard from
    Brad, his TEAC had died a horrible death while attempting to compile
    this tape. Well, I didn't have the cassettes in my possesion 10
    minutes when my reel to reel went up in smoke!!! Seems to have
    a problem with the power supply....
    
    Anyhow, after sacrificing every 250V 1A fuse Radio Shack had in
    stock to the Short Gods (and still not appeasing them) the fault
    has been isolated to the board level. Tonite, I hope to find the
    faulty component (suspect diode) and HOPEFULLY be back on-line for
    the weekend.
    
    People.... some of you have generously sent hours worth of submissions.
    This is all well and good, but I'm gonna have a hard time fitting
    it all on a C90. In all fairness, I intend to give preference to
    those who didn't make it onto Tape I. Even at that, some people
    are still way above what I consider a reasonable allotment. I can
    think of at least 2 ways to handle it...
    
                o  Make tape II a multiple tape set.
    
                o  Cut back on the individual submissions. If this schould
                   be the case, I would prefer that the individual sub-
                   mitters tell me which entries they want cut/entered.
                   (Dave Bottom has already done this.) Some have said
                   they'll leave it up to me. That's all well and good,
                   but I'd prefer THEY make the decision. Otherwise,
                   the tape comes out as "Edd Cote's favorites from
                   The Noters". Not fair to you folks....
    
    Re:  .57   There is, but it hasn't passed yet, so you still have
               time. 
    
               (And why are you telling us the chords? (A-B-A-C-A-B))
    
    
    Edd
    
    
    
467.59limit?SAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterThu Oct 16 1986 14:172
    What do you feel is a reasonable limit per person?
        John Sauter
467.60Your pipe and cassette, sir....JAWS::COTEHey! I can't play these things!Thu Oct 16 1986 14:335
    My personal opinion...... 10 minutes. But I'm not the boss, just
    your humble servant. If people wanna go more, it's OK with me...
    
    Edd
467.61COMMUSIC Tape Prep SOP a la BradrickDYO780::SCHAFERWelcome to the MIDIwest!Thu Oct 16 1986 14:5723
Re: .58 - .60

    Here's the way I put it together, Edd.  You can take it for what
    it's worth.

    I decided on a maximum per person - 4 songs or 15 minutes, whichever
    came first.  (I wasn't real sticky on this - was my guideline only.)

    I would listen to an entire submission before I ever began to tape it,
    timing it and listening to the quality of the recording.  If the time
    /song limit was reached, I would make notes as to which I considered to
    be the best tunes.  If the submitter had outlined which songs to
    ignore, I would use that list first to "deselect" tunes.  If I still
    needed more room, I would then send mail to the submitter, using
    comments from my notes, posing suggestions as to which songs to delete.
    Of course, if there ever arose any dispute, the submitter was always
    right.  

    Hope that kinda helps you out, and I'm REAL sorry to hear about
    your tape deck.  Mine *still* isn't fixed.   8-(


8^)
467.62REGENT::SCHMIEDERThu Oct 16 1986 17:5614
I misinterpreted the goals, I guess.  I think I sent 18 minutes worth.
Sorry.  Anyway, my compositions are of such variable length that I prefer
leaving it up to the compiler as to which ones to use.  Some are less than
a minute, a few are more than five minutes.  Whatever best fits the overall
tape.  I went to the trouble of timing every submission.  And in case you
got two tapes, the earlier tape is obsolete and the newer tape (and liner
notes) should be self-evident.

If my attitude preempts me from the second tape, I couldn't care less.
I am far too busy at work to have time to worry about such things.


				Mark