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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

452.0. "Local Yokel seeks better Vocal" by BARTOK::ARNOLD (Never over sits, he understands) Fri Aug 01 1986 16:45

    Not that this has much to do with computers and music, but...
    
	Let's talk vocals.
    
    How do you men and women record vocals (if you record them at all).
    It's obvious that many people on the COMMUSIC tape get a lot more
    "professional" sounding vocal than I got.  I've read all about
    the mysteries of Neumann U-57 mics, dead rooms, live rooms, etc.,
    etc.
    
    If I'm serious about improving the qualities of my vocal recording, how
    do I do it?  Do I need a digital reverb, an aural exciter, expensive
    mocrophones, or just a new voice?  Any and all comments are welcome.
    I'm especially interested in how people decide what mics to use,
    how they use compression, and other tricks that I haven't learned.
    
    Thanks for the help,
    
    - John -
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452.1DSSDEV::SAUTERJohn SauterFri Aug 01 1986 17:423
    You probably need a new voice.  See the comments in this conference
    on ``MIDIwife''.
        John Sauter
452.2Colder SoundsMINDER::KENTMon Aug 04 1986 04:408
    
    
    According to the reviews on the the commusic tape all you need is
    an old ( and I mean old ) Shure SM?? and a real heavy cold for the
    instant Mark Knopfler sound. I just wish I could do it to order.
    
                                Paul.
    				
452.3Local Vocal replyJUNIOR::DREHERMy first personal name...Thu Aug 07 1986 00:1127
    In regard to local vocals.  You first have to get the product, vocalist
    into top condition before attempting any vocal tracks.  Because
    your voice is an instrument, it must practice every day for at least
    a half an hour.  Because the voice is a muscle, like your body
    muscles, in order to keep it in shape is to use it.  Practicing
    vocal scales like 5 notes up and 5 notes down up to your highest
    and lowest notes will not only increase the strength of the voice,
    but it will also broaden your vocal range; making it easier to hit
    those hard to reach notes.  Once you have done this for a least
    a month, you should be in good enough condition to lay down the
    vocal tracks.  Personally as a vocalist, I use always record vocals
    dry (no effects) while listening through headphones with a little
    effects mixed through.  After the track has been laid down, effects
    are mixed in.  I use the Art digital reverb, Roland SDE-3000 digital
    delay unit, Aural exciter to bring out the highs and give the vocals
    more clarity.  The delay and reverb help smooth out the sound and
    masks imperfections.  Although, using too much can make it sound
    muddy and overprocessed.  As far as microphones, I use an SM58
    temporarily until I get a better studio mic.  Another very important
    aspect is the equalization of the vocal track.  Record with lots
    of high end because it gives more clarity and its easier to take
    out high end than it is to add.  This is because adding high end
    increases tape hiss once the track is laid down.
    
    I hope this helps...
    
    Ellen (the Midiwife)
452.4some infoANTARE::CHUNGFri Aug 08 1986 19:4734
    
    I'm just starting to get into the engineering side of things myself,
    but I can mention a few things that I've noticed from our studio
    sessions. Having a good mike seemed to be very key. We used an AKG
    412, and it was amazing how much clearer it was than any of our
    road mikes. The sensitivity was phenomenal. Our engineer ran the
    vocal through a compressor, a short delay (for the first reflections),
    and then through a reverberator (all digital). I think that he recorded
    the vocal with the effects in, but I'm not sure. The compressor
    was for evening out the dynamics, and the short delay was for filling
    in the first echoes. The reverberator was the type that can select
    the size of the perceived room as well as a few other parameters.
    
    The room we recorded in was a "dead" room -- sound absorbing material
    covered the walls and ceiling. Our engineer found the optimal place
    for the mike by clapping listening for echoes.
    
    As far as cost of equipment goes, the stuff I mentioned is pretty
    pricey. I think the AKG lists out over a grand (anyone know for
    sure?) I still think it is worth getting a good mike. After all,
    it is the first component on the signal path (besides yourself of
    course!) I've heard a lot of good things about the AKG 414 which
    cost around $575.
    
    A good alternative to buying a whole effects rack is the new Yamaha
    SPX-90. This is a multi-effect component which will do all the things
    I mentioned plus more (compression, gating, reverb, echo, harmonizing).
    The only drawback is that it can only do one effect at a time, but
    it only costs $650 (at LaSalle) whereas a good effects rack can
    run thousands.
    
    				- Joe Chung