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| 402.1 | Schaf'ers first pass | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad (aka Dr. Fingers) | Fri Jun 20 1986 17:41 | 21 |
| I've been looking forward to this for a lonnnnnnnnggggg time!
I must say that I am thoroughly impressed with the musicianship
exhibited on each submission. I expected to get a few that were good
and a lot that were real hacks.
Musically, I think the tunes were real decent. I especially enjoyed
Karl "Swap till you drop" Moeller's stuff (and continue to enjoy -
thanx, KMII). Very, very nice - being primarily a pianist, I really
appreciated Alphaville. Wait'll you hear his other stuff!
I also immensely enjoyed Dave Dreher's stuff - I like slick production
work. Well timed echo and just general crispness were the 2 standouts
in my mind. I guess you play a pretty good lead too, Dave. 8-}
Now for the gripes. I generally thought most of the lyrics were
a waste.
Ooops - our node is going down. More comments later....
8^)
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| 402.2 | To Finish .1 | DYO780::SCHAFER | Brad (aka Dr. Fingers) | Mon Jun 23 1986 11:23 | 22 |
| Hey, we're back up!
Anyway, back to griping. As I said before, I think most of the lyrics
are real lame. Any of us who aspire to be more than weekend players or
are looking for more than an occasional jam ought to think about what
we write before we write it. What kind of things will people be
encouraged to do, think, or say because of what you've written?
Think about the stuff you sing. Would you have a problem handing a
lyric sheet to your parents and sitting there while they listened to
your tunes? Are the things you're singing about things that you'd want
your kid brother or sister (or your own kids) to listen to (or
As musicians, we're responsible for the ideas we convey with our music-
especially those of you in this bunch, because I think you're all way
above average musically, and people WILL listen to your music.
I've had my say, generally. I'll post another reply here on the
music itself as I get time. Gotta make those bucks, y' know ...
8^)
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| 402.3 | First Impression | ERLANG::FEHSKENS | | Thu Jul 03 1986 12:52 | 14 |
| A quick first impression.
Overall, it's all nice stuff. The tape has a much higher "pop"
content than I expected from a COMPUTER MUSIC compilation, in fact
there doesn't seem to be ANY computing or computerness evident,
apart from the ubiquitous synths and drum machines. There's almost
nothing that qualifies as "experimental"; maybe Brad saved that
all for tape 2? My own stuff, for example, is VERY different from
the overall ambience of tape 1.
More to come after I've spent more time with it.
len.
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| 402.4 | OK, I'll go first (Donning asbestos) | MENTOR::COTE | You're So Spontaneous... | Thu Jul 10 1986 15:58 | 70 |
| Well, like everyone else, I'm surprised at the quality of the stuff on the
tape. HOT DAMN, ARE WE GOOD!! I suppose I shouldn't be all that surprised
after seeing some of the studios you folks live in.
So, here are my general impressions....
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Dave Bottom
JUST FOR KICKS One HELL of a way to kick the tape off! Dave, you
play a mean guitar!
SOMETIMES YOU HURT
BRIDGE TO NOWHERE Ah yes, JX3P!!
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John Arnold
INTRODUCTION Different from the others. Acoustic!
ONCE A YEAR A new Christmas classic.
HOSTAGE OF NATURE Great ending!! ("...stuck in his belly.")
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Todd Rhodes
BLEND TREND I'm not sure I understand this music. But A001R was
on the tape deck comin' home from Great Woods last
A001R night and everyone dug it.
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Karl Moeller
ALPHAVILLE I wanna buy stock...
TOCCATTA A cross between Elton John's "Funeral For A Friend" and Paul
Mauriot's "Love Is Blue". Comparison meant in the most
complimentary tone. Could be my favorite cut. Is the sheet
music for sale yet?
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Dave Dreher
BURNING PASSION Why isn't she famous? Seems like Dave and company have quite
the ear for dance tunes! GREAT axe work, Dave. Clap, clap.
I CAN'T WAIT Great production! I wanna MIDI-WIFE for my studio!!!!
ACAPULCO Only 3 hours?
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Edd Cote
I'M SORRY Obviously one of the great unrecognized talents of the
century, on a par with Len-Mc. Passion smolders just
beneath the music. The *smart* money is already buying
stock in this guy. Send yours today.
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Paul Kent
ONE MORE CHANCE Leon Redbone? Nice guitar work.
LIFE Neil Innes lives!!!
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Derek Speed with DLQ
CHAIN KISSER Jeez, I wish I could think of a good way to say this...
I found all 4 of these tunes to show good production
YOU'RE A TEASE values and proficient musicianship, but the only thing
that keeps running through my mind is that they sound
I MET YOUR PARENTS like B-sides. I DON'T dislike them. They're OK. Just
don't hit the right chords with me. Please don't hate
FISTFUL OF PASSION me!! I'm sure your holding out on the good stuff. I've
heard too many good things...
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| 402.5 | | CANYON::MOELLER | Fnu Lnu | Mon Jul 14 1986 19:20 | 92 |
| Here's my COMMUSIC review. I feel real good overall about this tape,
played it a LOT recently. Certainly looking forward to Tape 2.
karl moeller
1. Just For Kicks Dave Bottom
This music exudes a sweaty, glistening sincerity. The guitar parts are
definitely Blues-Rock. A friend was over who owns a studio which includes
a Roland TR707 drum unit. I asked him what he thought of this piece. He
replied, '..sounds like Joe Walsh. Good drummer!'... so, compliments on
the singing/guitaring/drum programming.
2. Sometimes You Hurt Your Friends Dave Bottom
This piece cries out for Black Chick Singers. Good background, but the
tempo forces Dave to stretch vocal lines, with only medium success. I
felt it was a bit overlong.
3. Bridge To Nowhere Dave Bottom
BIG sound out of few instruments. I like the ovarall feel, and especially
the guitar track. Don't mind the 'distortion', sounds live! Kept waiting
for the guitar's return... good instrumental.
4. Introduction: From Songs Of Innocence John Arnold
This is sophisticated, well-produced personal folk music.
5. Once A Year John Arnold
Transparent instrumental/vocal timbres. Good instrumental to end,
especially the synth/organ blend. Includes a bit of hot bass guitar jamming.
6. Hostage Of Nature John Arnold
This one's a bit more ambitious. Liked it up to the inappropriate
synth part; found the timbre to be tinny and the scale tones grating.
The reading over the fading instrumental was a nice touch.
Conclusion: Mr. Arnold has a unique world view. I would hope he's
done a lot in the seven years since this was recorded.
7. Blend Trend Todd Rhodes
Even though centered around Simmons percussion, this one has a real
calm mood that I liked, although I found the slightly out-of-tune
guitar to be distracting.
8. A001R Todd Rhodes
Great, moody beginning. Very spare. Continues and develops the same
overall concepts as 'Blend Trend'. Good use of sustained guitar tones-
almost 'whalesong'-like in parts. Quite meditiative, even though using
lots of percussion. I like this mode. It worked for me!
9. Alphaville Karl Moeller
Obviously a National Treasure. Not bad for 8th generation piano.
-- Side 2 -----------------------------------------------------------
1. Toccatta Karl Moeller
Stunning Baroque Rock. Crappy recording quality, though.
2. Burning Passion Dave Dreher
These folks certainly are at home in the studio. Very satisfying
guitar leads. I found the lyrics, while well sung, to be unconvincing..
not grabbers. Liked the vocal/instrumental background in the last verse.
3. I Can't Wait Dave Dreher
I liked the original, and this works well too.
4. Acapulco Dave Dreher
I liked it! Monster guitar grabs and won't let go. Even though a 1-4
progression, I'm a sucker for hot rock instrumentals, especially with
guitar trax as hot as this.
5. I'm Sorry (That I Fell In Love With You) Edd Cote
This sounds like a vehicle for lyrics, but still works well as an
instrumental. Nice calm feel. Relief when the 'flugelhorn' melody
comes in after comp chords. Almost a reggae feel. Reminds me of a
Zappa instrumental.
6. One More Chance Paul Kent
The Tom Waits/Dire Straits vocal works well. Catch cold more often,Paul.
Nice staccato instrument textures. Simple, nondistorted guitar lead.
Half tempo change near end works well.
7. Life Paul Kent
Good instrumental opening theme, develops well. Vocals very Bowie.
Liked the 'trumpet' break. Lyrics on both these tunes are excellent,
very thoughtful.
8. Chain Kisser Derek Speed (DLQ)
9. You're A Tease Derek Speed (DLQ)
10. I Met Your Parents Derek Speed (DLQ)
11. Fistful Of Passion Derek Speed (DLQ)
These tunes, while not bad, sound derivative to me. They're well
recorded and have a fashionable upbeat 'power pop' sheen. Why these
don't work for me and other pieces on this tape do, is part of the
wonderful mystery of music.
karl moeller sws tucson az
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| 402.6 | my arrogant opinions | CSMADM::SAWYER | | Thu Jul 24 1986 15:16 | 85 |
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First, most of the lyrics were....definitely...pop...weak...
and I found, most of them, unconvincing..... Some lyrics, Arnold's
Speeds', were more convincing than others. Obviously, the quality
of each individuals recording apparatus helps/hinders each of us in
the quality of our recording. Those with 4 tracks are at a definite
disadvantage to those with 8 tracks....but....I tried to ignore that
factor while listening to the tape. Musicianship/ability varied thru-
out the tape, some people being extremely fine musicians, able to
leap tall buildings with a single bound, and others being.....adequate
for their intentions. For example, I feel that Arnold's tunes may have
been the BEST tunes...nicely done...but that Dreher and Speed were the
best musicans with the best recording abilities...with not quite as
nice tunes as Arnolds....my own opinion of course....
Oh....I know that I'm gonna get flamed over all this...so...
I'll don my asbestos, too.
dave bottom.....nice tunes
nice leads, note selection, feel, touch
engineering done well, all parts distinct and clear.
I especially like your voice.
john arnold.....very nice tunes....."yes" or the "moody blues" would have
been proud to do these.
mix was well done, all parts distinct and clear.
REALLY, REALLY like "Hostage of Nature", one of my 2
favorite tunes on the tape.
todd rhodes.....hmmmmmmm.
mix was well done.
textures distinctive, use of echo/delay effective and
interesting.
karl moeller....extremely effective engineering and use of effects.
very fine musicianship.
improv ability extremely nice, pleasant tunes, nice to
listen to.
very professional quality in overall playing and record-
ing.
Expect to hear of your future album release.
dave dreher.....Tops!
Excellent musicianship....especially guitar!
Leads all very powerfull (don't you love those 3 a.m. leads?)
Excellent recording ability/techniques....just the right touch
of everything...delay, reverb,compression....etc....
Real pro.....
Midi-wife is very nice.
originals are nice tunes....these people should be backing
up tom petty after his next album release. I'll expect to
see you on the ticket....:-)
edd cote........nicely done....good mixing, nice quality recording, nice tune.
paul kent.......good tunes.
musicianship very nice, good mix.
derek speed (dlq)
these are my favorite tunes! Best stuff on the tape!
excellent band!
hot leads....tight band!
3 of these tunes are A side tunes...the 4'th was a good
B side tune.
Really, REALLY, REALLY, liked "i met your parents" and especially
really liked "fistfull of passion" ...one of my 2 favorite tunes.
Hot band...recorded on a one shot deal...no chance to re-do
and re-do and re-do....
Best vocals...2 and 3 part harmony's ...too bad you lost
Atkinson...really solid voice.
preferred Shores on guitar...but Breen was real good.
some words were.....meaning less, at best...some were
more meaningfull....stay away from cheap fill-in lines
and keep to the more meaningfull stuff......I'd buy your
album....and love to see you guys play....My girl friend
also liked your stuff best....and (I can't belive this)
she'd like to see you guys play, too!....(maybe there is
a god)
uhh.....you guys need a lead guitarist who writes tons
of tunes and sings backup ok but sucks at lead vocals?.....I'm not
as arrogant as EVERYONE in MUSIC notes thinks....just ask Dave
Dreher...:-)
Now, all you gotta do is....get Dave Dreher to record your
tunes and.....instant success!...:-)
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| 402.7 | One man's opinion | NIMBUS::DAVIS | | Mon Jul 28 1986 11:08 | 72 |
|
Finally found the time to give the tape a close listen and post
my review. All my criticism is meant to be constructive, so I hope
it's taken that way. Overall I was somewhat disappointed by the lack
of experimental sounds for a tape from the computer music notes, but
I guess this just shows how people are using the technology.
The sound quality overall was good, except for a very low level on
my copy. Anyway on to the specifics ...
Dave Bottom
Good guitar work and nice vocals. The songs don't really grab me,
but this may be my failing and not Dave's, as this style of rock
blues is not my favorite. The songs seem to take a backseat to the
guitar playing.
John Arnold
Nice vocals and lyrics on these. Especially enjoyed the instrumental
work on "Once a Year". A little dull overall for my taste, the songs
could have used something to kick a bit of life into them.
Todd Rhodes
Both of these tunes were more to my liking. Very interesting work
with what appears to be limited resources. "Blend Trend" was a bit
dirgy, so "A001R" was my favorite. The only thing that bothered me
was the drums. I didn't care for the sound of the Simmons (maybe
that new Midiverb would have helped) and I thought the programming
could have been a bit more imaginative (although I'm sure the ARP
sequencer is not as flexible as the programming capabilities of newer
digital drum machines.) Really enjoyed these two though.
Karl Moeller
Now this is more like it. Even though the classical style is not exactly
my cup-o-tea, I really liked these. Probably my favorite pieces on
the tape. "Alphaville" is great keyboard work and nicely thought
out supporting parts. I didn't like "Toccatta" quite as much, but
thought it had some really superior melodies and harmonic movement.
My only thought on improving these is that the main instrument in
each mix (piano and DX7) is too much up front, the supporting
instruments get buried a bit. Keep up the good work.
Dave Dreher
Dave's tunes get my vote for best production and best pop music on
the tape. Excellent vocals and instrumental performances. The music
is just a little too laid back to be "awesome" and the lyrics could
be better. Loved the guitar track on "Acapulco". How to wail Dave!
Edd Cote
Pleasant, well done piece. Shows good potential, a good ear for
melodies. Keep at it Edd.
Paul Kent
"One More Chance" has a real catchy main riff, but could use a little
work on the vocals and guitar. Also a bit too long, I didn't see
the need for the slow break in the later half. Didn't like "Life"
as much, I actualy prefer the vocals with the "gravel throat" effect
in "Chance".
Derek Speed
"I Met Your Parents" was the best of the bunch, although I
really didn't care for any of these. Not sure why, as they we're
all competently played and recorded. Just one of those things. I
did like Derek's voice best of the lead vocals.
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| 402.8 | Schafer's Belated Review | DYO780::SCHAFER | Get > or get < | Mon Jul 28 1986 14:26 | 133 |
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Well, here's my review finally. I guess I didn't have time to be
surprised by the lack of experimental music, since I was so involved
with the making of the master. Looking back, though, I would have
liked to have seen a few more "unique" patches (i.e., noise 8-) and
the like.
As I said before, I thought most lyrics were kinda lame - I won't
belabor the point. Any exceptions to this are so noted.
As is the case in all reviews, please construe all criticism as
constructive.
DAVE BOTTOM
This was the first tape I received (and consequently, listened to) of
all the submissions. After hearing the opening screaming lead to "Just
For Kicks", my first impression was something along the lines of "Good
grief, I wonder if all these guys are this good?!?".
I really enjoyed "Just For Kicks". Why did you wait till the end of
the song to use your Floyd Rose?? Personal nit (from a decidedly
non-guitarist type) - polish your Rose technique a bit. Other than
that, mucho nice. I didn't know guys from Maine could play the blues.
;-} "Sometimes" was kind of a letdown for me after the first cut.
Call it personal taste. "Bridge To Nowhere" was very nice. I
especially liked the synth motif where the progression was a minor of
"My Faith Looks Up To Thee". Maybe that wasn't intended, I dunno.
To be brutally honest, I just about wore out your tape before I
began to make the master. Good stuff, Dave. And a good quality
submission.
JOHN ARNOLD
I'll gripe first. The tape you sent was VERY quiet. I had to dance
on my hands just to get the levels up enough that Dolby could cover
the hiss. That's it for the gripes.
It's so nice to hear someone write something with lyrical content.
I enjoyed your tone - some people have a real case of stonehands
when playing acoustic. Your technique was pretty decent. I'd
like to see you remake these with a few more embellishments - reverb,
dig-delay, a few strings, etc.
This was one of the most refreshing pieces on the tape. Good work,
John.
TODD RHODES
The first time I heard this, I wondered if he'd sent me the right
tape. This was really different from the other submissions. The
tape quality was fair - kinda noisy, but at least the volume level
was at a decent level.
This stuff reminded me a lot of some of Fripp's work - don't ask me
why. Once I figured out what A001-R meant (tires), the song gelled for
me. I could really close my eyes and picture myself cruising through
the western MD mountains in the evening. Not too complex, but I really
liked it. I'll say it again - good work, Todd.
It's also nice to hear someone else still using Arp equipment. 8-)
KARL MOELLER
I'll have to be honest - I really thought this stuff stunk. Lousy
technique, very little musical interpretive ability displayed, and
generally ho hum. BTW - I have a bridge in Brooklyn ... 8-) 8-)
The harpsichordish stuff was my wife's favorite, although Toccotta was
a bit repetitive. Alphaville is a classic. As soon as I heard the
first few bars, I rewound the tape and played along on my piano. VERY
good stuff. BTW - I'm enjoying your other tunes you've sent while my
TEAC is getting fixed.
My only regret is that I couldn't get the quality that I wanted out of
your tape. I think the lack of higs on the master does an injustice to
your two pieces. Keep up the good work.
DAVE DREHER
What hasn't already been said that I can say? You make an album,
and I'll buy it. End of statement. Rating: 10.
EDD COTE
Edd gets the good guy award for tape 1. The master you (will) have
received in the mail is on one of Edd's tapes. Edd's was the 2nd tape
I received, and it was one of the factors that persuaded me to get a
rhythm box. Edd's was one of the few dbx'd tapes, and the lack of
noise shows.
I enjoyed the song, although I couldn't really gauge the intent with no
lyrics (gripe gripe ;-). I burnt up a set of batteries in my Rockman
playing leads along with this tune. A good Dreher-type lead would be
icing on the cake. Oh yeah, another thought - some analog texture
would have fattened up the sound some, too. Just a nit ...
I think you already said something about this, but I'll restate
(just so I can say something bad). Don't pan your mix so sharply
next time. I was very tempted to remix when I made the master,
but I resisted the temptation.
PAUL KENT
This was the best tape quality submission that I received. Thanks,
Paul. I didn't have to fool with levels on this one at all.
It took several hours of very convincing argument to persuade me that
this really wasn't Mark Knopfler (sp?). Generally, I thought the
arrangements and production were pretty sharp. Shows to go ya what you
can do with a 4 track. As you said somewhere before, some reverb or
delay would have enhanced a few portions of the set.
Nuff said. I like it.
DEREK SPEED
Since I have been out of the popular music scene for a while, I will
assume that these pieces are indicative of the turn some of this is
taking.
Tape quality - pretty decent, considering some were n generation
dubs. Band was tight, music was ok. I thought the lead player(s)
tried to over-extend themselves on several occasions. The general
sound of the band reminded me somewhat of the Knack (remember them?).
Lyrics - 2 (and I'm trying to be generous).
Derek - I liked your vocal work better than the rest. Someone doing
background was (sorry) very flat. In the future, I'd like to hear
you do more of the vocal work, and I'd like to see a bit more ambience
as far as the overall tape is concerned.
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| 402.9 | Len's Even More Belated Review | ERLANG::FEHSKENS | | Tue Jul 29 1986 15:04 | 139 |
| General comments - this whole tape is remarkably listenable. There
isn't anything that I feel compelled to skip over when listening to
the tape as a whole. The overall orientation is pretty much mainstream
pop. There's not a whole lot of evidence of computers here, other than
the ubiquitous synths and drum machines and sequencers. While I'm
impressed by the general quality of all this stuff, I was disappointed
that there wasn't more "off the wall" experimentation or exploitation
of the technology beyond production values. There appears to be a real
need for some good lyricists.
Dave Bottom
Just for Kicks - Love the lead playing. If I were producing this
song, I would recommend a somewhat less busy drum part and
try to get the drums to sound less "muddy". The drums are
recognizably a TR707 (the cymbal gives it away). I thought
the lyrics could use more variety (less repetition, especially
at the end). I really like this song.
Sometimes You Hurt Your Friends - pales in comparison to "Just for
Kicks", though this is more cleanly produced. Didn't leave much
of an impression, one way or the other.
Bridge to Nowhere - liked this one a lot. It reminded me of an old '60s
relic I have, "Song of Innocence" by David Axelrod - orchestra,
drums and wailing lead guitar. The descending progression (A, G,
F, E?) is a little morose, but I like the way the "right hand"
evolves over the constant "left hand" (I've been working on a
similar thing myself, maybe it will show up on the next tape).
John Arnold - All a nice change from the synth/electric guitar/drum
machine ambience of the rest of the tape. John's singing voice
(and mine too, for that matter) reminds me of what's-his-name
from the Three O'clock. I'd like to here where John's gone
since 1979 (almost 7 years now!).
Introduction: From Songs of Innocence - effective solution to the
"where to get good lyrics" problem.
Once A Year - Nice "Christmasy" feel, but the ending does seem to go
on, and on, and on. The acoustic guitar nicely balances the
synth and electric bass so this doesn't end up feeling like
just another "electropop" number.
Hostage of Nature - only complaint is the "slowed down cymbal" sounds
exactly like, well, a slowed down cymbal.
Todd Rhodes - ah, real experiments, though I have grown weary of the "Simmons
Sound", especially with that much "click". Almost sounds as if
they're being played with brushes. I would have gone with a
completely different drum sound, but that's my hangup, having
lived with an SDS-8 for several years.
Blend Trend - would be more effective (I know it wasn't meant to be)
with a "real" ending. It just sort of peters out, and A001R is
so much like it, I wondered if they were really just two parts of
the same piece. Spacey stuff. Would be a great background for
something. Reminded me of "Colors for Susan" by Country Joe and
the Fish, a classic of '60s era pop psychedelia.
A001R - even spacier. Like this one more than Blend Trend. Where's
the light show?!
Karl Moeller - a flavorful stew of romantic era concerto effects, movie
music, lounge music and contemporary pop/new age! What a mix!
I love this sort of thing even though I sometimes feel like I
ought to be embarassed to admit it. Didn't this genre used to
be called "light classical"? Karl very effectively transplants
the romantic piano concerto idiom into a modern context.
Instantly accessible without being unduly lightweight (sounds
like a commercial for a "lite" beer), this style does tread
perilously close to degenerating into a "greatest moments from
romanticism" compendium. As such, this kind of enjoyably
listenable music is an easy target for the pompous art critic.
Alphaville - outdoes the Saint Saens 1st Piano Concerto (check it out,
Romantic Piano fans!) for highest packing density of cliches
without inducing intellectual diabetes. (Of course, when Saint
Saens wrote them, they weren't cliches.) I mean, this is chock
full of effects, but by gawd if it don't work just fine. It
desperately needs a flashy ending (here the Saint Saens' first
movement sets an unachievable standard), as it is it just sort
of stops. Could use more "orchestra", especially woodwinds and
more realistic ("gutsier") strings. It's always been a challenge
for the piano to hold its own against the orchestra in the
concerto form, but here, the piano obviously dominates and the
"orchestra" is little more than timbral spice, rather than a
conversational partner.
Toccatta - but "tocatta" has only one "c". Too bad about the dubbing
glitch (my copy only?). Also suffers from a "just stops" ending.
Nice driving "perpetuum mobile" feel.
Dave Dreher - unfair competition, given the only production model of the
the MIDIwife. Equipment quality and attention to production
values obviously helped too.
Burning Passion - great production, great vocalist. Repetitive
lyrics. Are you sure you didn't just sample Diana Ross's entire
vocabulary, Dave?
I Can't Wait - don't know the original, but liked the glass effect.
Acapulco - nice instrumental, doesn't sound like a three hour wonder.
Would like to hear the Daves (Bottom and Dreher) jam at one
another, or work up a dual lead collaboration...
Edd Cote
I'm Sorry (That I Fell in Love with You) - super mellow tune. Works
just fine, even without lyrics. Love the flugelhorn line.
Leave the words off, I can't imagine this nice warm feeling
going with sorrow or unrequited love. An impressive achievement
given Edd's minimalist studio.
Paul Kent
Once More Chance - voice sounds great, even if scratchy (recalls the
Boxtops' "The Letter".) Interesting, varied original lyrics for a
change. Nice simple arrangements that work, a strong argument
that heavy production is not always necessary or appropriate.
Life - bass riff sounds almost exactly like the riff in Peter
Schilling's "Major Tom" (a sequel to David Bowie's "Space
Oddity"). Liked the horn part at the end.
Derek Speed (DLQ) - most stylistically varied group of submissions.
Lyrics and subject matter border on the bizarre. The
"real-studio-ness" of the production shows.
Chain Kisser - dead ringer for the B52s. Deliberate stylistic cop?
You're a Tease - no strong impressions one way or the other.
I Met Your Parents - great song, even if I can't make any sense of
the lyrics. I mean, I can understand the words, but I don't
understand why they were put together that way.
Fistful of Passion - I find this imagery offensive.
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| 402.11 | The International View | MINDER::KENT | | Wed Jul 30 1986 12:29 | 116 |
|
Well after much listening and cogitation here are the thoughts of the
English jury.
I don't quite no how to put this without sounding like a janzenite but
overall I was pretty dissapointed with the quality of the stuff on the
tape. I suppose the main difference is that I know I couldn't do much
better, well not at the moment anyway. I'me not sure what I was expecting
but I know I did want to hear some of the things that guys were doing with
the same limitiations as I had. I.E. not much money, not enough time, and
an amount of inspiration, ability, call it what you will, but basically
with a home studio set up based around computers (remember what commusic
stands for? ).
One of the things that was asked for was constructive
criticism. Any suggestions I may make will be based around what I would
do to make it sound like what I wanted to hear. I am underlining the "I"
hear. All this stuff is, as we've all said before, based around the
subjective listener. Without a doubt all the submissions are already
a success beacuse the "subjective player" must have enjoyed producing them.
Any comments should only be regarded as the ramblings of an ageing teeny
bopper, who liked bubble gum when it was real music. Remember The Archies?
As to my thoughts about the individual contributions well here goes.
In listening order.
Dave Bottom.
Well I'me afraid that this isn't really my sort of music although it seems
pretty well put together. The guitar playing on the first 2 is obviously
fairly stylised and I feel as though I've heard most of it before. I think
that of the 3 I preferred Bridge To Nowhere the best. But I didn't enjoy
listening to any of it really.
John Arnold.
Loved the idea of the Christmas Card, less keen on the music. Accoustic
guitar's played like this have never been my favorite form of instrumental
backing (don't worry John I didn't like James Taylor,Dylan,etc either).
I did however love the rhythm bass in "once a Year" . I think the problem
with all these (and probably the whole tape) was the lack of a really
outstanding tune.
Todd Rhodes.
Experiments are experiments and don't usually make for good listening.
These are no exception.
Karl Moeller.
(Oh shit I'me really beginning to hate myself now).
Here is obviously (no matter what anyone tries to tell you) a musician at work.
Who cares about structure, appregii (whatever they are)? The only problem
for me again was the lack of anything to latch onto. Obvious talent but
none of the vibes were coming my way. What is PSeudoromantic anyway?
Let's put this in context guys. Bach was a great musician. Thousands of
people would agree with that statement. I've never bought a Bach piece
In my life. I also love classical music.
Dave Dreher.
Now this is more like it. Good production, still no tunes, but at least
something that sounds like a good well produced song from a "home" studio.
I think Ellen must be the only person that every reviewer has been positive
about so far. And I agree. I really loved the Cover of "I can't wait".
I just listened (walkman) to this set again and I suddenly realised what you
two remind me of It's Captain and Toenail isn't it. Seriously I think this
was probably the best set of songs on the tape.
Edd Cote
Now this one was really interesting. Isn't it amazing how as soon as you
hear something familiar you begin to feel some affinity and warmth for it.
Here we have basically the same set up as I have, less the JX, playing the
only nice tune on the tape, and straight away I started to get some
enjoyment out of what was probably the most unpretentious piece on the
tape. God how I hate that wet RX21 snare drum sound. Edd try and
find the money for a TR505 you'll end up buying the company. Great stuff.
One of my favorites.
Paul Kent ?
Christ, I was doing better than this myself when I was 6 months old.
Derek Speed.
I am afraid, even having just read your objectives Derek, that I object
a little to this entry. I could produce plenty of studio tapes and even
records of efforts and recordings I have been involved in, but don't
somehow think they are in the spirit of what the tape was trying to
achieve.
Anyway to the music. I am afraid this one took me back to square one.
Not my sort of stuff I'me afraid. I think you hit it Derek when you said
you couldn't find a guitarist who would play quietly in the right places.
This set sounded like different people not exactly in tune with each
other, mentally that is. Lots going on. Not all in the same direction.
Even I wouldn't write lyrics that went "She's the cutest little thing
that I ever did see" and *I* hate my own lyrics.
I hope all these rambling won't be taken as a put down. I really would and
will be happy to be involved in the next tape and the one's that come
after that.
Paul.
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| 402.12 | The envelop from Maine | MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID | | Wed Jul 30 1986 14:19 | 117 |
| DAVE BOTTOM (MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVID)
Just for Kicks
Sometimes you hurt your friends
Bridge to nowhere
This guy is hot, screaming leads, less than exciting vocals......:-)
Actually after listening to "sometimes" a few more times I'm less than
satisfied with it.
JOHN ARNOLD (BIZET::ARNOLD)
Introduction: From Songs of Innoncence
Once A Year
Hostage of Nature
I liked these songs, the first two are good, but "Hostage of nature"
really blew my socks off. Good tunes. The level is very low and the
music is sometimes difficult to distinguish, perhaps it's just my copy.
I heard some organlike sounds that were well integrated into the music,
but sitting here now I don't remember what song(s) that was. The
previous comment that John is not afflicted by "wooden hands" when
playing the acoustic is appropriate. I felt the guitar playing was
flowing and lively, not sure that I could duplicate such on an acoustic.
Looking forward to hearing something newer.
TODD RHODES (BARNUM::RHODES)
Song #1 - "Blend Trend"
Song #2 - "A001R" (named after my CRX's Yokohama tires that *really*
stick)
I'm not really a fan of real experimental music, but as a texture
experiment these work. Since I don't really listen to alot of this type
music, I don't feel qualified to comment other than to say I found it
interesting but it seemed to lack resolution. I found it difficult to
listen to.
KARL MOELLER (CANYON::MOELLER)
ALPHAVILLE 10:38 long.
TOCCATTA 4:30 long.
Maybe I should disqualify myself from review these pieces, I'm a dyed in
the wool Moeller fan. I like "Alphaville" the most of the two but
"Toccatta" is also a good piece. I did notice at one point in
"Alphaville" a part that sounded suspiciously like something by ELP off
the first album (the exact song eludes me). Possibly it's just that I'm
jealous because I can't play piano like this. My favorite pieces on the
tape.
DAVE DREHER (MASTER::DDREHER)
1) Burning Passion - by Dave and Ellen Dreher January 1986
2) I Can't Wait - by Nu Shoz April 1986
3) Acapulco - by Dave Dreher March 1985
I liked "Burning PAssion" a nice pop feel and good vocals (hats' off to
the MIDIwife, if I ever move closer maybe I can get her to sing on
Sometimes You hurt your Friends?). The lead guitar work is good stuff,
I felt the chorus may have been a little too thick (that's my fear of
effects coming on) but those G&K amps really sing.
I dislike the original of "I can't wait" so I won't comment on the song
except to say that as a demo quality piece it was well cloned and well
engineered.
"Acapulco" is probably my fav of Dave's stuff, but then I'm a sucker for
instrumentals.
Overall these pieces are a tribute to the gear and the production work
Dave's doing.
EDD COTE (MENTOR::COTE)
Title: "I'm Sorry (That I Fell In Love With You)"
I listened to this several times and couldn't really figure out what to
say....I liked it but wasn't sure why, so I asked the wife to come in
and listen....she says it's great music for picking up chicks.....I
thought it's a real pretty piece, but felt the drums were slightly
lacking. The fidelity is a tribute to Edd's low tech studio, good job!
PAUL KENT (MINDER::KENT)
---------
I liked the first piece best, especially the vocals, reminiscent of Dire
Straits or Pyschedelic furs. Nice clean guitars. The fake snare (CZ101)
was interesting but I felt it still needs some work. I'd like to hear
more....next volume perhaps?
DEREK SPEED (ADVAX::SPEED)
-----------
Something seemed to be missing on these, but my daughter (10 months)
loved them, so I suspect that the target audience may have been younger
than I :-).
Of all the them I liked "your a tease" the least and "I met your
parents" the best.
Some nice clean guitar work on the last two songs.
Overall I guess I was surpirised that the sound of my stuff was
as good compared to some of the more eloborate setups others have.
The music is good, as others noted the lyrics for the most part
are lacking, but thats sympotomatic of nearly all rock and roll
and most of this is rock. I'm looking forward to vol II or whatever
is next. My thanks to all who participated for what I feel was a
good chance to compare both my muscianship, my writing and my studio
with theirs. It's been a learning experience.
dave
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| 402.13 | I know. It's late. | BARNUM::RHODES | | Mon Aug 11 1986 19:48 | 202 |
| Well, the check's been in the mail long enough. Here is my review.
After living with the tape for some time, I have grown to like all the
songs. Some required substantial growing pains, others resulted in a
more natural aging process. So you know where I'm coming from, I am more
into experimental/abstract/creative/imaginative/artful/unique/different
music that paints pictures and sets moods in one's mind.
Thanks to all for describing your musical goals/intent. I seem to understand
all of the music much better now. Even Paul's goal of not having a goal is
important. It tells me that his real interest is to bolt to his studio
whenever he gets free time, and to simply be creative and have fun.
Dave Bottom:
------------
These tunes are very good, but are unfortunately not my "style" of
music. I do respect the style, though, and feel that Dave did an effective
job at attacking this type of music. I liked "Bridge" the best, "Kicks"
the second best, and "Friends" third.
minor criticisms:
1. I feel that there is just too much lead guitar in "Just
for kicks". It seems to compete with the vocals for the
spotlight. I feel the guitar track would be more effective
if it was performed with about 3/4 rhythm guitar & 1/4 lead
- just an opinion.
2. As stated in your goals Dave, you suffer from the old "slightly
out of tune voice that sounds alright when you're recording"
syndrome. I feel that you have a very "strong" voice that has
a very nice timbre to it. Perhaps the music requires too much
of your voice. The voice parts in your music are actually
pretty complex (singing blues is extremely difficult). I think
that if you come up with some music in which the voice passages
are simpler (less pitch changes per measure), your productions
will sound significantly better. I like your voice!
3. "Bridge" seemed to have some sort of delayed (and slightly
distorted) track lagging behind the lead guitar (about 900 ms?).
I found this somewhat distracting. This may be what you were
pointing out in your liner notes.
Dave, what are some of your favorite bands?
If you have environmental concerns, how about writing some songs that directly
address your views?
John Arnold:
------------
I really like this stuff. Very nice music. I don't really like
folk music, so I must contest that this is not folk music (let's face it,
when was the last time you heard folk music with synths, organs, and slowed
down cymbals?) Your music showed me that I would probably like folk music
if it were more musically creative (like yours) and included more than
just guitar and voice. I would have been honored to recieve your music
as a Christmas present.
You found my soft spot with "Introduction" - it reminded me of Genesis
back in the days of Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett due to the flute/acoustic
guitar combination. Very nice.
"Once a year" I like very much. The instrumental part at the end is very
effective (liked the bass line). Never noticed any of the bass track
"splicing" that you mention in your goals, but never listened for it either.
"Hostage" I do enjoy, but not quite with the enthusiasm of the first two.
I like the synth solo (reminiscent of the ELP solo on "Lucky man" in that
it really takes control). I did not like the triangle effect though, and
found it distracting. I didn't feel it was necessary to make the song
"work".
General comments:
I liked the doubled voice and flute effects. Keep using them.
Did you use a mic or a pick-up/preamp for the acoustic guitar?
Have you been recording anything recently?
Would you ever consider adding drums to your works?
It seems odd that you submitted 3 out of 4 songs. I want to hear the 4th.
If I came across these on the radio, I would stop and listen. I would also
pay real money for an album if there were more than 4 songs on it.
Todd Rhodes:
------------
Those Simmons have got to go. I was never crazy about them, and don't
know anyone who prefers their sound. Good for spotty percussion, but
not as a general drum kit. A TR505 or TR707 or is in this guy's future.
Karl Moeller:
-------------
My feelings for Karl's music is mixed. I enjoyed the primo piano
playing on "Alphaville" (As a drummer, I respect the independence your hands
and fingers have, Karl). Lord knows you can make that piano sing.
I like the dynamics in "Alphaville", especially the quiet lulls (there
is a passage in there that reminded me of Anthony Phillips' "1984").
I also feel that the changes in time are effective. I felt slightly less
enthuastic regarding the orchestrational accompanyment. I feel that it may
have been a bit more "acoustic" sounding. It also seemed a wee bit out of
sync at times, and slightly "thin" (possibly due the the nth generation
tape?). The nits aside, I think "Alphaville" is a winner. Whenever my
wife gets in the car, she says "Play Alphaville, Todd". Obviously an
adult that appreciates adult music from an adult place.
Although I don't dislike "Toccatta", it seems to have somewhat of an identity
crisis. The Clav track seems to be cranking at the same dynamic level
throughout the song, even in the "quiet" parts. Also, the daintyness
of the piano track contrasts the powerful Clav track in a way that seems
"unnatural". The drum track also seems to be pushed into the bottom of
the mix (which contrasts my songs, in which some say the drum tracks are
too loud. Gee, could it be we're both biased in relation to the instrument
we play :-) Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the song. I also like that
Clav patch - wish the DX100 had a "Perc Clav".
Dave Dreher:
------------
Mr. Production has done an outstanding job here. Except for the MIDIWIFE's
microphone, the tools used are flawless (great sounding synths and
guitars). Dave's music is proof that pop music is a great vehicle for
sharpening up production and engineering skills - even for those who feel
that pop music is "not their thing". I feel that this music will be an
inspiration to me and my musical productions in the future.
"Burning Passion" exhibits some slick echo clips that are a major part
of current pop music. Nice job with the little things, Dave. The
"conservative" guitar solo fits the mood of the song very nicely.
"I Can't Wait" is a great clone of the original. I think Dave's goals here
were to practice programming sequencers and mimic popular sounds, and I
think he succeeds.
"Acapulco" is proof that "3 hour specials" are very effective. Many of my
better pieces fit into the quick and dirty catagory.
How about a short course on studio production and sound engineering?
Edd Cote:
---------
Edd's first attempt at recording original music is a definite success,
especially considering my first attempt some three or four years ago.
The flugelhorn is very nice and fits the piece properly. The Jx strings
are a sure winner, and have inspired me to play with my DX100 until I
come up with some strings with an "analog" type of sound. The latest
result is in the "DX100/21/27 patchs" topic.
A couple of small gripes from a drummer: I think the hihat was a bit too
loud in the mix. Also I feel that the open hihat sound is very effective
when used sparingly, but may be a bit "overused" here. Nits I know, but
they're the only thing I could find to complain about :-).
Nice use of accents on the drum track.
Paul Kent:
----------
I liked both of these tunes for very different reasons. I feel that
Paul has done a good job for someone with a studio as financially limited
as his is (I'm an expert on financially limited studios). Paul's
formula of just randomly going into the studio and "creating" is obviously
an effective way to operate, supported further by Dave Dreher's three
hour special, "Acapulco".
I liked the "poppy" rhythm in "One More Chance", and liked the "roughness"
of the vocals. I found that the vocals had a very "Clash"-like appeal to
them. I'm not so sure that it was Paul's cold that made me like them
better than the vocals on "Life", I just think that his voice sounds
better in the lower range. Keep your voice low, Paul. I also liked
the organs, and felt that the lyrics were a bit clever.
The vocals on "Life" remind me very much of John Lennon; very similar
(is this by accident, Paul?). I enjoyed both the lyrics and the music.
The trumpet patch is a killer (CX5?).
Derek Speed:
------------
This music is obviously aimed toward a younger audience. I think
that it accomplishes its primary goal, which is creating dancable rock
'n' roll for a college type of environment. I'm also sure that it is
fun to play live. The recordings are very "live" sounding.
I guess that I have the same "B-side" opinion as Edd, but then again, this
is not my style of music (just what is my style of music? :-). It reminds
me very much of a number of late '70's bands (Knack definitely, Cars
maybe, etc.) I feel "Fistful of Passion" has the best voices, music,
and lyrics of the bunch.
I do find this music quite listenable, and have grown to enjoy and respect it.
Derek, do you record any music on your own? I would like to hear some
Derek Speed studio doodlings.
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| 402.14 | Sauter's Humble Review | DSSDEV::SAUTER | John Sauter | Mon Aug 25 1986 09:22 | 107 |
| I think my taste in music must be quite different from most people
in this conference. I found that I didn't like nearly all of the
selections on tape 1. This probably means that none of you will like
my song on tape 2.
Because I had the good fortune of having the tape over a weekend
I asked my family to listen to it also, and record their comments.
The discussion below comes from two independent sessions: I listened
to the tape alone first, then with the family as we were bringing my
daughter back from music camp.
To give you some background for the participants, my wife and I are in
our late 30s/early 40s. I have had no formal music training, in spite
of many opportunities, except for 18 months of piano lessons when I
was young. My wife, Kathy, has taken piano, organ, clarinet, horn and
mandolin lessons. My daughter, Ester, is learning drums and had just
finished two weeks of "music camp", which culminated in her playing
handbells, tambourine and drums with a group before an audience.
My son, David, is merely noisy. Ester is 13, David 10.
Just for kicks
John: Uninteresting. Ester: I like the guitar, but it sounds too
old-fashioned, little less on ride cymbal. Guitar(?) drowned out
by accompaniment.
Sometimes you hurt
John: Uninteresting. Ester: I like the beginning but the lyrics
aren't the greatest. The song itself is really good, but I really
don't like the lyrics, and it's *way* *too* *slow*!
Bridge to nowhere
John: repetitive. Ester: I like it. It would be a nice song to
*dance* to. I really like it. Needs heavier drums. My mom liked it.
Introduction
John: Blah. Ester: Good beat. Good rhythm. Skeky(?) lyrics.
My mom liked it.
Once a year
John: uninteresting. Ester: I can't understand the lyrics. It's OK,
I guess. I don't like the end.
Hostage of nature
John: Nice guitar intro, otherwise uninteresting. Ester: The lyrics,
etc,isn't really that good. I *don't* really like it. Kathy:
Interesting message--accompaniment could be softer, lyrics hard to
hear at times.
Blend trend
John: Almost background music, except for dynamic range. Ester: slow
and repetitive. I don't like it.
A001R
John: Background. Ester: Too slow, simple, in the beginning. It
doesn't get much better, but it's danceable. Too repetitive.
Alphaville
John: Very nice! my kind of music. Other instruments mostly blended
well with piano. Ester: Uninteresting, repetitive. David: I don't
like it either. Kathy: Technically better music. Good variety of
rhythms and dynamics. Pianist very good.
Toccatta
John: Good, but a little busy. Ester: Boring, too slow, too classical,
too simple rhythms.
Burning passion
John: uninteresting--too much reverb on vocal. Ester: Lyrics not good.
I can't wait
John: Uninteresting. Ester: A bad imitation--love the song--lyrics
louder, way too slow.
Acapulco
John: Uninteresting, almost background. Ester: Terrible not catch teysle(??)
I'm sorry
John: Nice stereo separation. Gets repetitive near end. Ester: drags,
title fits. Nice sound, needs lyrics.
(At this point the family refused to listen to any more, so the remaining
comments are all from my earlier session.)
One more chance
John: Uninteresting.
Life
John: Uninteresting.
Chain kisser
John: Uninteresting.
You're a tease
John: Uninteresting.
I met your parents
John: Uninteresting.
Fistful of passion
John: Uninteresting. Seems like a lot of tape hiss at the end.
Originally I had intended to copy the whole tape so I could listen to it
after passing it on. After listening to each song I kept only Alphaville
and Toccatta.
John Sauter
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| 402.15 | how interesting was it? | CAR::OPERATOR | boy, this is fun! | Mon Aug 25 1986 12:48 | 2 |
| RE.14 Well, john, that was.......uninteresting. :-)
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| 402.16 | why I'm late... | REGENT::SCHMIEDER | | Mon Aug 25 1986 17:01 | 11 |
| One of the reasons I am holding off is that my initial impression was fairly
negative. I feel I owe it to everyone in this conference to give everything
a very intense analytical listen before putting my review in here. I haven't
had time yet due to long work hours, typical summer chaos, etc.
Of course, the fact that my own material won't appear until at least volume
II probably makes me a bit timid about jumping on the volume I contributors.
Especially since my contributions are the most amateurish of the entire bunch.
Mark
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