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377.1 | PICTURES AT ELEVEN | CANYON::MOELLER | if daddy could see me now.. | Tue Jun 03 1986 13:50 | 9 |
| anytime the media gets assigned a story, they will go for the cliche',
the stereotype, the catch phrase, the lead line, simplification.
Don't challenge preconceptions, cater to them. After all, it takes
time and education in any given subject to get not just the facts
but the reality behind the facts, and, after all folks, they've
got a LOT of air time to fill.
Makes me wonder about the depth/accuracy/integrity of the OTHER
stories they broadcast.
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377.3 | burping and freeping | STAR::MALIK | Karl Malik | Tue Jun 03 1986 15:00 | 20 |
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...and, in my opinion, many of those early works outshine anything
that's come since. Stockhausen's 'Gesang der Junglinge' (1955/56!)
still sounds fresh. Berio's 'Omaggio a Joyce' is a tour de force
of vocal manipulation. Given that these pieces (and many other good
ones) were primarilly made by hand-splicing together tiny pieces
of tape, they are all the more amazing.
I didn't hear the radio broadcast and can't comment on the pieces
played, but as far as 'burp and freep' electronic music is concerned,
people who don't like it probably wouldn't like the instrumental
music written by the same composers. I assure you it was written
that way because they wanted it to sound that way.
Many people find Bach cold and mechanical. It's possible to
find a great deal of expression in the early electronic music.
- Karl(1)
p.s. My arms ache from carrying in the kx88. It *is* heavy.
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377.4 | Ah, the Good Old Days... | ERLANG::FEHSKENS | | Tue Jun 03 1986 17:03 | 37 |
| I've got a lot of that burp and feep stuff in my record library,
but I haven't listened to it in a long time. I went through an
extended "tete-a-tete" with experimental/electronic music back in
the '70s, eventually falling back into the mainstream, because while
this music was often interesting and occasionally fascinating, it
didn't "speak" to me as directly as Central European Classicism/Romanticism
and American/English Pop. While I was intellectually predisposed to like
it, it proved ultimately to be a taste I was only partially able
to cultivate. My musical tastes seem to wander with a very long
periodicity (about 10 years), so maybe it's time to go back and
reconsider some of this stuff.
I too am amazed (more like "put in my place") by the sheer physical
effort that must have gone into the production of these pieces.
Be that as it may, the observation about the media exploiting
stereotypes is right on the mark. It has been my experience with
local newspaper reporters that they just barely get the facts right, and
any subtlety is ignored or suppressed. It is scary to extrapolate
from this to major news publishers. When one compares TV reporting
to newspaper and newsmagazine reporting, another level of
simplification intrudes. Even scarier.
There's a nice discussion about some related issues in a guest
editorial in the latest Keyboard.
My impression is that, contrary to Tom's assertion that we owe modern
synthesizer technology to the pioneers of electronic music, the
developers of most modern synthesizers are largely ignorant of this
heritage, and further that contemporary electronic and experimental
composers are largely ignorant of synthesizer technology (i.e.,
they're still doing things the "old" (and perhaps "better" - i.e.,
hand configured modular analog synthesis) way). Now this is just
an impression, so don't flame all over me. Anybody have any facts?
len.
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377.6 | Aw, shucks, I'm just a philistine | ERLANG::FEHSKENS | | Wed Jun 04 1986 10:29 | 14 |
| Well, I didn't say their music was boring (opposite of "startling"?)
or ugly (opposite of "beautiful"?), and I did say it was an impression,
and I openly admit my ignorance. But you didn't say they're using
DX-7s or TX816s or Matrix 12s, you said "expensive array machines
etc.", and that's just a faster computer. PAIA isn't the only source
of modular synthesis technology, incidentally. I subscribed to
CMJ for a few years some time ago and dropped my subscription because
there was very little of real interest or use to me in it.
What is it I'm supposed to get with? I wouldn't want to be "out
of it", god forbid.
len.
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377.8 | Burp and feep: it's the air we breathe | DAIRY::SHARP | | Wed Jun 04 1986 15:49 | 23 |
| Hey Tom, don't get me wrong, I LIKE burp and feep music. In school I took
History of Music: 20'th Century and LOVED it. I've even made some small
attempt at it myself with an old Electrovoice 101 analog synth, a TEAC 3340
and no mixer.
To get the discussion back on the track I intended it: I'm working on the
idea here that in the modern world we've had to come to terms with
technology in a new way, and modern art (including music as a specific art)
has had to develop new ways to deal with it. It's an experience that all
modern humans share: you go to sleep one night, and the next morning you
wake up to a new world. What you knew yesterday is obsolete, you have to
learn something new to get through the day. The world is changing so fast
that you have to learn look at it in a new way.
What used to be scribbling is now art, what used to be noise is now music.
The function of the artist is to perceive the world in a new way, and show
the world. What we learn from this is not only one new way of looking at the
world, but that there can be a new way, maybe even lots of alternative ways,
and we can switch around among the modes we know and can invent new modes
when it becomes necessary.
Thesis: Burp and feep music is necessary to our modern existence, because it
helps us explore how we feel about technology.
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377.9 | | STAR::MALIK | Karl Malik | Wed Jun 04 1986 16:28 | 7 |
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Tom's right, but there's an interesting wrinkle here - IRCAM,
for example, has lots of Yamaha products. A number of moderm composers
are using the commercial synths as convenient portable sound sources
for live performances. They rarely play the keyboards, though.
- Karl
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