Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    This topic will be used to announce upcoming DECMS events and the
    reviews thereof.
    

This is not  a  DECMS  (Digital Equipment Computer Music Society) event,
     but still sounds quite interesting.  /Mitch

                <<< RAINBO::$2$DUA9:[WASSER]MACINTOSH.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -<   Apple Macintosh Forum   >-
================================================================================
Note 2095.2                       MIDI control                            2 of 2
MPO::SEVIER "MAXCIM Program Office"                   8 lines  29-SEP-1988 17:51
                       -< Demo of MAC-MIDI in Worcester >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    BTW, the Worcester Macintosh User's Group will be doing a demo of
    Macs and musical gear tied together with MIDI.  The presenter is
    a local musician who told me he'd be bringing in about $30K of gear
    for the demo.
    
    Monday, Oct 10 at 7:00 PM.  (Sorry, don't have the address at hand.
    Send me mail and I'll get it to you...)
    
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:	MPO::SEVIER       "Raoul Sevier, Maxcim Program Office"  3-OCT-1988 21:22
To:	HPSRAD::NORCROSS
CC:	SEVIER
Subj:	RE: Macs and MIDI

Hi!
	Here's the directions to the WMUG:

		Location: Kingsley Hall, Worcester Academy

		Get off 290 at exit 14 and go East on Harrison street for one 
		block where it intersects with Providence Street and take a
		right.  Take the first street on the left, Aetna Street, and 
		proceed for two blocks to Penn Ave.  Turn right through the
		chain-link gate and park as near the end of the drive as
		you can.  Kingsley Hall is on the left.

		(The area is pretty grungy, but the folks at the WMUG are nice!)
Raoul

    Let's go ahead and use this note as a repository for items of general
    interest to the conference.  That'll eliminate all the extraneous
    "mumble's appearing next week at frazzle's" topics. 

-b

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note 1722.0             Music notes present FallJam'88...             No replies
HOFNER::MELENDEZ                                     96 lines  13-OCT-1988 16:32
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


		*****  ANNOUNCING FallJam '88  *****


    FallJam '88 will be held in the Texas Lounge, Worcester, on
    Saturday, November 12. The program will run from 1:00 to 6:00 pm,
    and feature a variety of live music in a wide range of styles.
    It will provide a mixture of groups and individual performers.

    FallJam '88 is open to all DEC employees, their families and
    friends. There is no admissions charge.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

     Texas is located across the street from the Centrum in the
     Worcester Center shopping mall.  The place is very plush.

   Facilities:

	o Full stage
	o Full Lighting
	o Dance floor
	o Cash bar and deli
	o Room for up to 600 people

   Rules:

	o People will not be allowed to bring their own food or
	  drinks into the club.

	o No one under 21 will be allowed in WITHOUT A PARENT
	  OR GUARDIAN (a guardian is defined as someone old enough
	  to be a parent). Families are welcome with kids of any
	  age, however, parents will be responsible for their
	  own kids (especially those between 15 and 21).

   Parking:

	Parking will be $1.00 at the Worcester Center Garage with
	the Texas validation. After 5 pm parking is free!



                   ***  Directions to TEXAS  ***

   From Route 290 heading West:

     Take exit 16 (Central St). At the end of the ramp turn right onto
     CENTRAL ST.  Follow it to the first set of lights. Turn left onto
     SUMMER ST. (The Post Office will be on the left.) 

     Follow Summer St. until you reach a rotary. Turn right into the
     rotary. Take the first right out of the rotary and go under a
     bridge. The road will fork at this point; stay to the left and
     head straight into the Parking Garage. When you enter the Garage,
     follow the red signs to the lower level (bear around to the
     right), where Texas is located. The club is on the ground level
     plaza coming in from the garage, just before you enter the Mall. 

   From Route 290 heading East:

     Take exit 16 (Central St). At the end of the ramp stay left. Turn
     left at the first light. You are now on SUMMER ST. At this point,
     follow the directions given above. 

   Notes: If you follow the signs to the Centrum, you will get there.
   Texas used to called the Uptown, and some of the signs may still 
   refer to the Uptown.


           Mall       :  Worcester
               Texas  :   Centrum
         ___________  :
         : parking :  :
         :  (red)  :  :
         -----------  : 
                :     :
          lights o    :                
                  :   :
                   :  :
                   :__:
                      : bridge
                      :                  discount
                      :    Summer St.    liquor
              rotary ( )------------------o lights
                                          :
                              Post Office :
                                          : Central St.
                                          : 
                                          : 
          Rt 290                   lights o-----: Exit 16
         W <--> E                         :     : (Central St)
         --------------------------------------------------------------
                    Exit 16      :        :
                    (Central St) :--------o lights
                                          :

    Tom -- what is this place? How long are you on for each day?
    What sort of show is it (e.g. do the audience sit down or stand
    round)?
    
    Richard.

    Tom, really doing blues guitar?  I'd like to come but the 4 hour
    drive is a problem...any chance you'll tape it?
    
    dave

    < Note 8.9 by ANT::JANZEN "Tom 296-5421 LMO2/O23 ECL MSI Test" >
>    If you know a way to increase the publicity, thru radio interview
>    or other appearances, please let me know.

    Stripping naked, eating live fish, levitating, playing piano whilst
    straitjacketed, burning down the building, threatening to explode
    a bomb unless every piece gets a standing ovation, threatening calls
    to radio stations (leave your full name), punching out a reviewer,
    appearing with cats, wearing barbed wire clothing, walking out on
    stage over the prone bodies of your acolytes...  should I go on?

    karl    

     APPEARING WITH CATS!!
    
    C'mon, now.  Let's not get ridiculous here ...
    
    Steve

Daddy's Nashua is closed today due to Elvis' Birthday.  (no joke)

The small print mentioned something about an inventory too.
Big print said Salem, Portsmouth and Boston aren't celebrating
Elvis' Birthday.

Chad

    Well then we should all have tomorrow (January 10th) off because
    it's Donald Fagan's birthday...
    
    Edd

    Actually, I think what they're REALLY closed for is inventory.
    
    	db

    Hampshire Music Co in Nashua is having an inventory blowou sale.
    All synths are rediculously marked down (no I dont own stock but
    I did check it out)  
    A couple of things I wrote down...
    
    All guitars.......1/2 price!
    all pa's..........up to half off.
    
    synth stuff I noticed:
    
    Boss hc-2 (neat little thing) $62.00
    Roland E-20 Synth   $1499.00
    Yamee rx-21  $149.95
    Roland cr1000 $235.00
    
    
    They got lots o things, mor than I could ever mention here.
    
    The keybpard selection isnt as large as the drum and guitar selection
    but they do have lots of little gadgets....
    Sheet music?  GAD!  they got file cabinets full!
    
    The sale goes until the 15th.
    
    I spent about an hour there, got the hc-2 and patchs (3 for 5.00)
    GREAT STUFF...
    
    FYI

    NOTE: This is what this topic is *really* intended for.  Thanks.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note 1883.0              Attention, Open Jam Session !!               No replies
ANT::JACQUES                                         52 lines  30-JAN-1989 14:56
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

			PRESENTING

		    AN OPEN JAM SESSION


	When:  Friday, February 3, 1989, from ~7:30 to 1:00.

	Where: Northboro Fish & Game  (See directions below)

	Admission is free !!!!  There will be a cash bar open.


    Unlike Falljam/Springjam  (which feature established groups),  this
    event is similar to last summer's "Sweatjam" where people just show
    up with their gear, and play in pick-up groups. So far we have about 
    20 musicians who are participating, but any additional musicians that 
    would like to join in are more than welcome. We are providing the PA 
    system, a bass rig, drum set, and other essentials.  See note 538 of 
    MUSIC_V3 for further details. Musicians will be asked to contribute a 
    dollar or two, to cover the rental of the Hall and a PA snake, but 
    admission is free to all non-musicians, and all DEC employees, their 
    families, and friends are invited. 

    This jam is not limited to any particular style of music. Whether you 
    prefer Rock, Country, Blues, Jazz, Reggae, Bluegrass, Folk, or even
    Classical, we will try to oblige everyone. 

    So pull that old instrument out of the closet, dust off the strings/
    keys/reeds/valves/mallets/skins/etc and get ready to make some noise. 

    We have the hall from 5:30 PM until 1:00 AM. Most of the musicians are
    arriving early, so we can get the stage set up, and start playing as
    early as possible.


	 Directions from I-495:

		Take I-290 West to Solomon Pond Road exit.
                At end of ramp go towards Northboro.
                Take first right onto Bearfoot Road.
                1/2 mile on left is Coburn Street.
 		Turn right immediately into Fish & Game parking lot.


    Be there or be Square !!!!

    
    Mark Jacques,


    P.S.   Miguel Melendez, and Joe Minville deserve a great deal of praise
    for setting this thing up !  Keep up the good work, guys.......

                     Steve Winfield and Dervish

                       Feb. 18  at  Interface


    Steve Winfield (not Steve Winwood!!) has a couple of
    albums/cassettes (on the Spirit label) in the "new age" vein. He
    plays sax and flute and more recently has begun using the Yamaha
    wind controller (w/ Roland D-50 and Tx81Z)

    Dervish is myself (on guitar and synth) and two other keyboard
    players. We play electronic instrumental music, covering different
    styles from space/new_age to rock and jazz. (Instruments include
    ESQ-1, Mirage, TX81Z, CZ-101, Yamaha drum machine. All MIDIed to 
    Dr. T's on my C-64).

    The concert will be a collaboration, including pieces by Steve and
    ourselves. The group will also feature a very good percussionist
    (acoustic), Ray Frisbe. Starts at 8:00 at the Interface auditorium
    (outside of Watertown square on Main street, I'll post the exact
    address later.) Tickets are $10 (yeah... I know that's expensive
    for a local show, but apparently the going rate for Interface
    concerts. Unfortunately out of my control.) We did this a few
    months ago and had a great time and very appreciative audience,
    played for about one and a half hours. This will be pretty much
    the same, with a few new pieces.

    Feel free to e-mail me for more details or directions. (NIMBUS::DAVIS)

    Rob

    RE: .17
    
    Just a reminder for those who're interested, that the Dervish-Winfield
    concert is this Saturday, 8:00 PM, at Interface.
    
    Interface is at 552 Main St, just outside of Watertown Square.
    Phone is (617) 924-1100 for details, directions, etc.
    
    You can email me at NIMBUS::DAVIS or call DTN 297-6496. Hope to see
    some ya'll there.
    
    Rob

	Tiger's Baku,  jazz, fusion
	
	McGillicuddy's across from The Centrum
	 in Worcester Mass.
	
	This Saturday Night, 2/18/89
	

		       You're Invited
		             to
	               "An Evening in
             	     the Personal Studio"


			  March 31
		       Friday Evening
	   	         7:00 P.M.
		     Acton Music Center
			140 Main St.
			Acton, MA 01720
			(508) 263-9288

			Tascam & Alesis
		    District Representative


			Rick Swenson   (our old buddy from Framingham Wurly's)


Will demonstrate the newest music technology available from Tascam, Alesis,
& Kurzweil in the application of the Personal Music Studio. Come see how
easy it is to make great sounding demos.

			Free Admission
		First 50 guests receive Tascam's
		   Multitrack Primer FREE.


Call (508) 263-9288 to reserve your place.

Announcing:  Ibanez guitar clinic

Where:  E.U. Wurlitzer Music
	582 Park Ave.
	Worcester, MA. 01603
	(508) 754-5271
	Eddie Fritz
Time:	Saturday  May 6,1989  7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Price:  $5.00

This is a guitar clinic by metal rocker Paul Gilbert, a well known LA
guitar instructor and performer at the Guitar Institute of Technology (GIT).
Tickets are going fast and are very limited. DECMS people can call Eddie to
have tickets reserved at the door. All DEC people, friends, and family are
invited. This is not a DECMS only function.

dave

	I will be performing with my MIDI Band at the Sheepgate Coffeehouse
in Marlboro tomorrow night April 1st (no this is not an April fool's prank).
I will be the last of three sets and will be doing approximately 45 minutes
of both original music and covered material with my electronic equipment 
(controlled by both myself and the MC500).

	The Sheepgate Coffeehouse is located at 20 Broad St. in Marlboro, MA.
Refreshments will be served and (I believe) a free-will offering to cover the
expenses of the coffeehouse.  Admission is free.

	Dan Eaton

			HIGH SOCIETY

	will be performing at the Billings Theatre, UVM, on
	Thursday, April 6, 1989.

	...as part of "the Experiment", a collection of random MIDI
	musicians and others, in a sound-and-light industrial music
	extravaganza. bring your 3-D glasses. Admission is free, starts
	at 7:30.


			The EFFECT

	will be performing at Border, 166 Main St, Burlington, VT, on
	April 19. Music is reggae/funk/rock. Show starts at 10:00. This
	isn't a MIDI band.

	(yup, I'm in two bands now, too, as if I didn't have enough to do!)

/pjh

Daddy's Drum Clinic

Daddy's Nashua

together with Remo Drums.  Guests include Sonny Emory and Ed Thigpen
"renowned" Jazz Drummers.

Cost is $5 -- this is reedemable the night of the clinic on purchases.

April 12, 7PM

More info call   603-888-1160

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note 1955.0                  Old COMMUSIC noters gig                  No replies
MARKER::BUCKLEY "I wish it was summertime all year!" 14 lines   7-APR-1989 11:19
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Anyone remember Rick Cohen??  How bout Stevie K.??
      
    They've asked me to post the following announcement to all their
    old commusic friends:
    
    The Hardtops (Rick's band) and Jamaican Vacation (Stevie's band) will
    be gigging together next Thursday, April 13th at the Channel in Boston,
    MA.  Hardtops will hit the stage a 8pm sharp, followed immediately by
    Jamaican Vacation at 8:50pm.  Admission is $3.00 at the door, but free
    tickets are available in advance.  Send mail to MARKER::BUCKLEY if
    interested. 
    
    Mod, I promise to delete this note.
    wjb

Keyboard Seminar:  Featuring John Campbell

Place: E.U. Wurlitzer Music & Sound, 271 Worcester Rd (Rt 9) Framingham, MA.
Time: 7:00pm
Date: Monday, April 17,1989
phone: (508) 879-3590

"John Campbell, LA based studio musician and performer, in an exciting
musical demonstration of the latest products for music composition and
performance from Roland. This educational and entertaining presentation
will show how the latest advances in electronic music technology can be
used for both live performances and recording. Learn how to layer sounds
from various sound modules with the versatile Roland A-50 Keyboard
Controller, create new & exciting grooves utilizing Roland's new R-8
Human Rhythm Composer, and sequence complex musical compositions using the
MC-500 Mark II and the advanced Super MRC sequencing software package.
John will also be unveiling the impressive W-30 Music Workstation, the
newest and most powerful music workstation available today."

Call now as seating will be limited to first 50 people who R.S.V.P.

I heard this guy last year. He sounded great.

dave

			Tom Janzen 
			in his
			Slowasleep
		a diary of an insomniac

		Cable Television in Boston:
			channels 3 and 8
		Boston Neighbourhood Network
		Thursday June 8 Slowasleep 1989 7:30 PM

Stories, sound effects, music.  More reverb than I care to remember.
Tom

Hello fellow DEMCS members -

Union Music in Worcester is having a free Ensoniq clinic with Bob Stillman,
our local Ensoniq rep. Everyone is invited, but there will be limited
first come seating. The new VFX and the EPS will be featured. It's happening
a week from today. Hope you can make it.

Date: Tuesday, June 20, 1989
Time: 7:30pm to 9pm (or later if necessary)
Location: Union Music
          142 Southbridge St.
          Worcester, Ma. 01608
Phone: (508) 753-3702
Contact: Jeff Majeau (Union) or Dave Orin (DEC)

If you don't feel like buying anything that night, please don't feel any
pressure. If they try to sell you something, please realize that that is
their job. They have some really good prices, and guarantee the lowest prices
within 30 miles. They have all the latest Ensoniq gear and most of the new
Roland equipment. They also have real drums and plenty of guitars.

Here are some directions for getting to the store...

Take RT. 290 West to Worcester. Take Exit 13 Kelley Square. At the end
of the off ramp, turn right. Follow the signs marked RTE. 122 NORTH.
Kelley Square is very tricky. You go thru the square then BEAR LEFT
between two gas stations. One of them is a Merit station.
You will come to a light and then go under an overpass. Keep going on Rt. 122
to the next light (Southbridge St.) and turn left. Union Music will be
on your left next to the Coney Island. Parking is on the street.

    Hi
    I have confirmation of having been awarded a finalist award (not
    a fellowship) in the Interarts category from the Artists Foundation
    in Boston.  I had submitted a group of stories called "The Klein
    Bottle," a reminiscence of a probable performing group in Seattle,
    on audio cassette.  My friend Marilyn, who founded Mobius where
    I almost exclusively perform, was also named a finalist winner.
    Tom

    
    Congrats....
    
    

Tom, hearty congrats!

dbii

    ditto ... what is interart, anyway?
    
    Steve

       The Ensoniq clinic at Union Music went very well. The stars of the show 
    were the EPS and VFX as expected. There were about 30 folks there, about 
    10 from DEC! The clinic was split into two parts. The first half was a 
    great demo of the EPS MIDI'd to another EPS (EPS-m actually), then MIDI'd 
    to a VFX. The EPS blew people away that had never been exposed to it. They 
    had the EPS with the 4X mem (2meg) with SCSI port into a 80MEG hard drive. 
    Now THAT is a powerful instrument!! The EPS is truly designed for 
    *PERFORMANCE*. The VFX part was nice, as it can sound incredably HUGE. A 
    base EPS is around $1700. They were selling EPS's 'tonight only' for
    200 bucks off!! Two were sold on the spot. My only gripe about the whole
    clinic was the lack of new public domain samples. Bob Stillman has about 
    170 or so disks full of *GOOD* *USABLE* stuff with him. As he goes through 
    his demo he mentions that 'many of the samples you hear tonight you can 
    copy'. I was phsyched!!! The only problem was that Jeff was so caught up 
    in making the clinic/demo run smoothly that he didn't get a chance to make 
    copies of Bob's stuff. Jeff did get two disks copied though. One was a very 
    nice French Horn and the other was a complete HR-16 (worth the trip for 
    me). Bob Stillman will be back in a coupla weeks. Jeff said that he'd 
    concentrate on getting copies of Bob's public domain stuff for all of us. 
          Overall it was very informative and entertaining. I got lots of good 
    ideas to try on my EPS. I realized how much power the instrument has, and 
    how little of it I truly use......

 Frank

  
     *   ********************************************************   *
     *   *      ----                                            *   *
     *   *      |___        __   __ __   __ ____  |___          *   *
     *   *          | |   | | \_/ | | \_/ | |___| |   |         *   *
     *   *       ___| |___| |     | |     | |____ |             *   *
     *   *                                                      *   *
     *   *                 _____                                *   *
     *   *                   | ____  __   __                    *   *
     *   *                   |  ___| | \_/ |                    *   *
     *   *               |___| |___| |     |                    *   *
     *   *                                                      *   *
     *   ********************************************************   *


                  Come join some of Digital's HOTTEST bands
         'Strut their stuff' live for another spectacular Summerjam
         gathering!!!  Bring your family and friends .......the kids
         will love it!!!  Admission is *FREE*.


          PLACE: The Northboro Fish and Game Pavilion.

          DATE:  July 23rd
 
          TIME:  12:00 - 8:00pm


          The Bands:

              Yow     
              Scream
              Deceptive Resolution
              Off the Wall
              The Dumpster Bunnies
              The Disturbers
              Sorry
              One Night Stand


           Directions to the Fish and Game:

              Rte. 290 to Solomon Pond Road Exit.
              End of Ramp go toward Northboro.
              Take first right onto Bearfoot Road.
              About a half mile on the left take Conburn Street.
              Fish and Game parking lot is immediately on the
              right.


     ******************************************************************
   

>>>	This is technically a street performance.  Gratuities 
>>>	will be refused (not expected to be a problem ;-).
    
    Tom:
    
    	If you want to cause a big sensation and/or attract media attention
    you could promise to burn the US flag (while it's still legal).  Even
    if you didn't do it, you could expect a big (but probably angry) crowd.
    
    Just kidding, of course.
    
    - John -

	Sorry for the late notice but I'm in the middle of house-buying frenzy,
	and I got two overdue projects, plus I'm working on this upcoming show:


	The Vermont Reggae Festival will be held on 29 July 1989, at North
	Beach, Burlington VT. There will be 8 bands performing from 9:45 AM
	until 8:30 PM. Admission is free. The bands range from local to 
	international (Jamaican).

	Last year this event attracted about 18000 people. 

	North Beach allows camping, I suspect it will be crowded but it will
	be possible to camp through the weekend.

	Directions:

	From points south, take I-93 to Concord NH, get on I-89. Get off
	I-89 at Exit 16. Left at the bottom of ramp. That is US 7. Go
	straight down through Winooski. When you cross the river bridge,
	bear right on Riverside Av. Go straight through Riverside until
	it ends, and turn left. Follow signs to the Northern Connector.
	Right onto Northern Connector, next exit is North Beach. If you
	get there late you'll have to park up the street. Expect some kind
	of crowd/traffic controls.

	I will be performing with the opening band, The Effect. It will be 
	my last performance with a reggae band. I'm also on the crew for the
	day. If this year is like any of the previous years, it should be
	quite an event.

	/pjh

    EU Wurlitzer is doing a personnel shift - Eddie Fritz is leaving and
    going to Bryan Guitars in CT (address listed in 6).  Sean will be the
    new DECMS contact. 

    Those acquainted with Eddie might want to stop by and say hello before
    he takes off.  His new job will start October 1.  He said to give his
    regards to all his COMMUSIC acquaintences. 

-b

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note 2154.0                   if you're in L.A....                       1 reply
SWAV1::STEWART "There is no dark side of the moon.." 32 lines   4-NOV-1989 20:45
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

			L.A. CHAPTER/NARAS PRESENTS
	     DINNER AND DEMONSTRATION OF "THE TAPELESS STUDIO"

	   November 16, 1989 at 6 P.M. - Hyatt on Sunset - Hollywood

Noted musicians CHICK COREA and DAVID DUKE, record producers JOHN ARIAS and
PETER WOLF will demonstrate Synclavier (r) Digital Audio System and
Direct-to-Disk(tm) Digital Multitrack Recorder, used to create some of the
top ten records.

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS:	$20.00 for LA/NARAS members
    			$23.00 for non-members
AT DOOR:		$23.00 for LA/NARA members
			$26.00 for non-members

Please call (818) 843-8253 for reservations and mail your check to LA/NARAS -
4444 Riverside Drive #201, Burbank, CA 91505 to confirm your reservation.
Tickets will be held at the door.

	    The preceding posted as a public service by a fellow noter.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note 2154.1                   if you're in L.A....                        1 of 1
LEDDEV::ROSS "shiver me timbres...."                 10 lines   6-NOV-1989 13:29
                      -< Peidmont has cheep flights.... >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    gee, I'll call and write a check right now.
    
    Chick and Dave....wow.
    
    Tapeless? What does THAT mean? No guitars?
    
    great!
    
    name_withheld

 What:  Ensonique clinic - Th blurb says that Bob Stillman "will be
        demonstrating the full line of Ensonique award winning" instruments,
        and will feature the VFX, VFX-SD, EPS, EPS-M (rackmount EPS).

 When:  Tuesday, November 14, 7:30

 Where: Union Music
        142 Southbridge Street
        Worcester, MA

        Ensonique rep Bob Stillman will be there.
        Call to make a reservation -
        (508) 753-3702 - Jeff Majeau

        For directions, see note 8.32

Friday 17 November 1989 8PM
Saturday 18 November 1989 8PM
low money (ca. $5 or free)
Mobius Works-in-Progress programs
Mobius (617)542-7416  
354 Congress Street, fifth floor.  A couple blocks south of the computer
museum/children's musuem (Fort Point Channel).
Reservations are recommended but probably not necessary.

Tom Janzen (each of the two nights about 25 minutes)
Tom on Friday: computer graphics and video; postcards; computer music.
Tom on Saturday: war stories from performances and why I quit Performance Art
	(possibly violin/SPX)

Also both nights, a guy named Eric who has toured Europe and the WGBH 10PM news
interview segment.  And each night a different woman artist who I forget what
they do.

Reply 8.45 Copyright 1989 Thomas E. Janzen all rights reserved

    Thanks for using the right topics, guys.  Helps me out a lot.  8-)

-b

    If anyone is interested, Falcone is opening its' factory to the public
    this Saturday and Sunday for tours. Yeah, it's a sales gimmick, but 
    probably interesting. Just say "no".... or try.
    
    Edd

RE < Note 8.47 by WEFXEM::COTE "OK, who wants a Tangwich???" >

	What's Falcone?

    Cheap Italian Ford from the early 60's....;^)
    
    
     No seriously, Falcone is a manufacturer of world class pianos based
     in (Haverhill?), someplace in north-east Massachusetts. There's an
    announcement in today's Boston Glob...
    
    Edd

    You people are missing a pretty good NOVA on PBS tv about computer
    music.  It won't be new for you, but it's intereseting.
    Tom

    No I'm not...
    
    Edd

yeah...  what he said. 

/Mitch

                          I M P O R T A N T 
    
    Since Jim Ravan's departure COMMUSIC has graciously been hosted by some
    folks who, frankly, have no vested interest in the conference.
    
    Well, they've politely asked us to find a new home, the sooner the
    better. I'm unaware of any deadline, but I'm sure it's in our best
    interest to move quickly. 
    
    Help?
    
    Edd
    
    COMMUSIC Co-moderator

I could probably put it on our LAVc in Spitbrook.  It is "only" about 70k blocks,
right???

A VAXserver 3400 and RF71 disks @ ZKO

Chad

    > 70K blocks
    
    I would bet we could shrink it down quite a bit. I know I'm guilty of
    lots of mindless babbling...
    
    Can we assume you'll check and advise?
    
    Edd

    Current size is 83.5K+.  Bloody big.
    
-b (vacating, and just popping in)

>   > 70K blocks
>    
>    I would bet we could shrink it down quite a bit. I know I'm guilty of
>    lots of mindless babbling...
>   
>    Can we assume you'll check and advise?
>    
>    Edd

I can make the space available like I mentioned (I think, I'll advise if not
but it is "my" system, I just need ok from other 2 users of LAVc, one of whom
is a COMMUSIC reader and will probably welcome the change).  Manipulation
and maintenance of the actual file I'll leave to you folks the moderators.

Contact me at NORGE::CHAD to discuss details.

Chad

    ~42Meg, huh... well, I've got a 3800 with 800MB of disk, as well as my
    personal VS2000 with about 150MB free disk..
    
    Moderator mail welcomed.  This is an emergency !  COMMUSIC must live!
    
    karl

>I can make the space available like I mentioned (I think, I'll advise if not
>but it is "my" system, I just need ok from other 2 users of LAVc, one of whom
>is a COMMUSIC reader and will probably welcome the change).  Manipulation
>and maintenance of the actual file I'll leave to you folks the moderators.

As one of these 'two other users', hey, I'd love the change - near instant 
access!  &*}

It would be neat, too, to be able to access it as MIDI::COMMUSIC

(though only temporarily - I'm leaving the group in a month, and taking my node
name with me).

Dan

I'll take it on DNEAST:: space is not an issue

dave

Oh yeah we're two 8800's and an 8700 with HSC server RA82's

dbii

    Dave, wot kinda link to the Easynet does the DNEAST cluster have ?
    
    karl

2 each 56Kbaud lines....

dbii

    
    I can offer either TALK:: or BTOVT::, we have plenty of space there.
    
    We're like ASO, 2-56K terrestrial lines at this time. Supposed to go
    to 256K satellite sometime.
    
    /pjh

Hi:

I am trying to organize a formal music noters jam. By formal I mean
you put something together for the jam. This is not a bring your instrument
and you get to play. If you have are interested send me mail at
NITMOI::MELENDEZ.

This is an opportunity to play and have fun. I have talked with the people
at the Sit 'n Bull in Maynard and they will be happy to host the jam
on a Sunday afternoon, say April 22nd? All I need to know is that we
can get 5 or 6 acts to participate.

If you want further information, you can read DREGS::MUSIC note # 1057
for more details or send me mail.

It is ok with me if you are the only one from DEC your band.

        re: -1
    
          Also, Bob Stillman usually brings an assortment of public domain
    samples/patches for Ensoniq stuff. They are usually quite good. Last
    one I attended I got a disk with the HR-16 completely sampled. Sounds
    VERY good.
    
         I'll hafta try to make this one....
    
                  Frank

    
    
    Anybody catch JJ Cale last night on U.K. Channel 4 TV playing a
    
    .......
    
    
    Casio Midi Guitar (With a mid lead plugged in as well)
    
    If ever there was a contradiction in terms ?
    
    

             <<< BOLT::MAY14$DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]ATARIST.NOTE;1 >>>
                       -< Atari's 68000 based systems. >-
================================================================================
Note 25.18                       NaVAUS Notices                         18 of 18
PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ "Jeffrey A. Lomicka"                46 lines  26-MAR-1990 11:47
                      -< March NaVAUS meeting this week >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     March 1990			M E E T I N G   N O T I C E

         Date:  Tuesday, March 27th
         Time:  7:15 pm
     Location:  Acton Christian Church - large meeting room
        Topic:  Midi applications

There is a LOT to demonstrate at this meeting.  Please be early - aim
for 7:00 if possible, to get any disk copying and magazine reading
out-of-the-way before the feature presentation.  I will have (my own)
recent issues of ST-Informer and Current Notes available starting at
6:45.  Club copies of other publications usually show up with Ray
Wallace.  I will attempt to minimize as much as possible the "club
business" portion.  The adjenda will go something like:

7:15-7:25 club announcements
7:30-8:10 Chad Leigh and Dan Gosselin demonstrate C-Lab's Notator
8:15-8:40 Rick Saul breifly shows us some Hybrid Arts software
8:45-9:45 Dr. T's staff (oh no!  I forgot their names!) will demonstrate
		their Tiger CUB and Copyist Apprentice software.

I expect the meeting to be longer than usual.  I know I won't get home
until after 11:00.  I may swap Rick with Dr. T's if there is a time
constraint.

Acton Christian Church is at 45 Minot Ave, which is near the
intersection of Rt 2 and Rt 27.  Turn NORTH at the first traffic light
on Rt 2 that is EAST of Rt 27. (This intersection is near the entrance
of Digital's Piper Road plant.)  This road takes you past the Conant
school.  Beyond the school, you reach a bend in the road.  Turn RIGHT,
the church is right there on your LEFT.

Note that we are in the "other" room, that is, the large meeting room
with blue carpeting that looks like where the Church usually holds it's
worship services.  This will allow us to use the sound system installed
in this room for the Midi demos.

(Of course, like much of life, things are not what they appear.  In
actuality, the Acton church meets for worship in the same small room
with the Red carpet that we usually use for our meetings.  Attendance
has been low lately, and the congregation "feels better" is the smaller
room.   Twenety people in the small room feels like a lot.  In the large
room, it feels like the place is empty.)

See you there!

    I thought I'd bring this up here instead of waste another note.
    
    What's the lowest cost rackmount (or module) synth with the only 
    requirements being that it responds to MIDI (obvious if it's rackmount)
    and and has EP of 4 (need not be more)?
    
    It would be nice if it responds to velocity, for volume and/or filter?
    
    --mikie--
    
                             

    Que pasa "EP of 4"?
    
    Edd

    "EP" probably means "effective polyphony"
    
    ...but please bring this conversation to another topic,
        I see this as completely inappropriate for this topic.

    Always gettin' yelled at for where I put notes...
    
    Yes, effective polyphony.
    
    Moderator?  Can I have a transplant?
    
    Mike

Herbie Hancock and a bunch of others like Pat Metheny are giving a free concert
this Sunday (6/24) in Boston at 3:30 at the Esplinade.

Chad

    ...nobody tells me nothing.  :^)
    
    I don't remember any formal announcemen so I'll do it.
    
    Dave Blickstein has joined the notorious ranks of COMMUSIC moderators.
    (There was some discussion on this a couple months ago, but I don't
    have a clue as to when he was added to the list...)
    
    ...this in no way gives extra creedence to his stand on
    multi-timbrality.  ;^)
    
    Edd

    Roland USA has announced the Roland Credit card which can be used to
    purchase Roland equipment.
    
    Sounds like a great idea, except that knowing Roland USA's history
    in the area of documentation, I'll bet the monthly statements are
    totally unreadable.   ;-)
    
    	db

I'm curious.

My Roland D5 came with two half-inch thick volumes of information, much
of the second volume devoted specifically to the meanings of the
programming parameters, including lots of examples for generating tones
typical of several major instrument types, and the use and format of
the SYSEX messages, down to the bit level.

Am I safe to assume that this is substantially less information than you
get from other manufacturers, or is the D5 a departure from Roland's
previous practice?

    > Am I safe to assume that this is substantially less information than
    > you get from other manufacturers, 
    
    The Roland reputation has to do with the "quality" of the
    documentation, not the "quantity".
    
    Wanna borow my S-550 manual and come to your own conclusions?  ;-)
    
    	db

    Dave's remark is right on, but as a longtime user of Roland gear, I
    have to say that their documentation has in fact come a long way in
    terms of completeness.  They are getting a little better about
    organization and intelligibility, but they still have quite a way to
    go.  At least the trend is monotonically upward.
    
    len.
    

    I just have to take time-out to "share" this.
    
    Note 12.628 advertises a Hammond M2 and a Morley Fuzz Wah Wah...
    
    Both for $50!!!!!
    
    Now "why" am I so worked up about this?  I'll tell you.
    
    Years ago, I had been converted from being a full-fledged (I admit it)
    "classical snob" to appreciate that one can be ambitious in the field
    of Rock and Roll.  In fact, IMHO, most of the rock musicians I know
    personally are far more ambitious than most of the classical pianists
    I had met during my classical years.
    
    The rock guy that did it for me was Keith Emerson.  I was once held
    physically and forced to listen to his stuff, and whaddyaknow... I
    ended up loving it.
    
    So, I thought, I must have a Hammond organ.
    
    Well folks, back in those days (let's just say it was "a few" years
    ago), you couldn't touch a hammond for less than around $2K - and that
    wouldn't get you a B-2 or C-3.
    
    It was every teenage rock-n-roller keyboardist's dream  to have a Hammond.
    But because it was so expensive, it typically wasn't even a "dream" -
    more appropriate to call it a "fantasy".
    
    Here we are,  "years later", and some guy is selling something for $50
    that I would have sold my soul for in High School.
    
    I mean, to me, an old tone-wheel Hammond... well... it just something
    that I associate with a dream or fantasy.
    
    The ultimate irony, is that even at $50, I still can't afford it!!! ;-)
    
    Sorry if I've bored you...   I just had to say something....

    Well that feeling was mutual all the way over Trinidad where Booker T.
    and the MGs, Santana, Jimmy Smith and other Hammond player ruled the
    albums collection of all hip musicans.  All groups dreamed of owning
    a hammond but a VOX was a good substitute...well at least it had draw
    bars.
    
    Errol(who_would_like_to_get_that_$50-hammond)

    re: .82
    
    That was so touching, that I'll give you the $50.
    
    Write me (he said tearily...reminded of the fact that he never did get
    to that ELP concert to see Keith abuse his Hammond live.....).
    
    Steve

    From USENET:  This seemed like the best place to put this.  
    
From: [email protected] (Eddie Anthony)
Subject: patch sources
Date: 5 Nov 90 01:17:02 GMT
 
I've seen several requests for patch and sequence files.
 
One option I haven't seen suggested is to make use of the IEMUG BBS.
This is set up for the International Electronic Musicians Users Group
and you can call it at 405-733-3102.
They require membership after 30 days of your first login, but you
have download access from the first call until then. And it's only
something like $50 a year. There are just billions and billions of
files there. Cakewalk sequences, Voyetra, Sonus......on and on.
 
Try there and see what you think.
 
--
Reply to   [email protected]  >-< Took my ex-wife to a wife
Eddie Anthony...Keyboard Monster!!      >-< swap one time...they made
Cleveland Ohio...QUIT, BROWNS!  2-7 :(  >-< me throw in some cash!!!!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Can someone on the Left Coast get some of these and put them on
    Easynet? Maybe standard MIDI files would be most universally appealing.
    Rock, classical, jazz standards?
    
    - Hoyt

    As a result of a recent directive, it appears that COMMUSIC (and a
    host of other employee interest conferences) are being put in a
    type of "limbo"...
    
    In a nutshell, certain groups hosting these conferences have been 
    instructed NOT to back-up the files. I believe COMMUSIC is effected
    by this.
    
    Soooooo... should a disc crash, become corrupted, or restructured
    COMMUSIC will be history.
    
    Any idea what we can do?
    
    Edd

                    ****** THIS MEMO IS FROM DAN INFANTE ******
      
       - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  
        
      Some background on notes usage:
        
      Each and every notes conference runs on a computer owned by a cost 
      centermanager.  It is the responsibility of the cost center manager to 
      ensure that Digital's assets within his or her cost centers are being 
      efficiently and effectively used. 
        
      . Basically, there are two kinds of computer conferencing (notes files): 
      technical/business and non-technical/business.
        
      Technical/business notes files are used extensively in support of the 
      companies business -- product development, strategic collaboration, 
      business conferencing, reduce time to market, and shorten problem 
      resolution time, business planning, etc. These are clearly valid reasons 
      to encourage conferencing/notes file use as a productivity tool.
        
      Non-technical/business notes files are those covering personal 
      interests.  These files have grown to unreasonable levels and in many 
      incidences does not contribute to our productivity objectives.  This 
      type of use is consuming valuable network capacity and consuming 
      disk/storage space.  Both of these are increasing costs to the company.  
      
      . All cost center managers and system managers must monitor 
      non-technical / business notesfiles.  Effective immediately, I am 
      instructing all IM&T managers and system managers not to back up 
      non-technical business related notesfiles.  Additionally, they are to 
      cut back on capital required for notes access and monitor the 
      optimization of their computer capital.
        
      Our Corporate Security and Personnel policies are very clear and my 
      expectations are that our Cost Center Managers will comply with their 
      managerial responsibility.
        
        
        
        Regards,
        Dan

    How big *is* the conference? If someone has sufficient disk space lying
    about fallow, couldn't they simply copy over the conference, doing an
    ad hoc backup onto disk instead of having ops do it to tape? Does
    anyone understand the data structure of notes, e.g. have some code to
    read it? In that case, it would probably be possible to write something
    to extract (and in emergencies, apply) incremental changes. Heck,
    doesn't somebody have a TK50?
    
    - Hoyt

    I vote for a TK50 backup.  Once a month ought to do.
    
    Steve

    Well ASO (your friendly hosts) have yet to decided to impliment
    Infante's decision, but given our current climate I doubt that we
    won't.  I expect to hear tomorrow (after our staff meets)
    to see what they want to do. If it comes down to it, I can do a monthly
    to TK70 myself and just not tell anyone....
    
    dbii

    All we have to do is find a machine that is not under control of
    "IM&T", whose owners are willing to host the conference.

    I would have hosted the thing before (being a co-mod), except that
    DYPSS1 is on a somewhat remote part of the net and access time isn't
    always real hot.
    
    Incidentally, last time I looked, the conference was close to 100k
    blocks.  Not small.  And not conducive to netbackups via a "shadow"
    conference.
    
+b

This sounds like something that's going to backfire heavily; I remember
reading in HUMAN::DIGITAL that the only reason quite a few people stay is
access to non-work Notes, creating a pleasing work environment. Judging by
some of the names expressing that thought, the corporation could lose a lot
of talent...

After all, when the only difference between Digital and a competitor is that 
you get more money with the competitor...

Gavin

       What's the big deal about backup?  Why did they single out that
       function?  That's probably the least expensive aspect of
       recreational noting...

       The really spooky thing about this is that Xerox is eliminating
       recreational use of their network effective January 1.  This has
       provoked a good deal of anguish over there, but some new brass
       hat they took from IBM is citing IBM policy as justification.

       There's got to be a better way to cut costs without contributing
       to a decrease in the quality of our corporate lives!  And we
       better figure out what it takes before they decide to cut out
       anything more than backups.
       

>       The really spooky thing about this is that Xerox is eliminating
>       recreational use of their network effective January 1.  This has
>       provoked a good deal of anguish over there, but some new brass
>       hat they took from IBM is citing IBM policy as justification.

What relevance does I<spit>M's practices have to Xerox? Carry on down that
road and George Orwell may have been right all along...

Maybe we should wander over to HUMAN and see what's happening...

Gavin

    Perhaps it's time to... archive.  I agree, 100K blox is a bit too large
    for ad hoc net copies.  I support Dave Bottom's methodology.
    
    re HUMAN::DIGITAL access.. i was out yesterday, but Tuesday I tried to
    get into that conference - "Network object unknown at remote node"..
    did a NCP> TELL HUMAN SH KNOWN OBJECTS and NOTES was there.  strange.
    
    Gotta periodically beat the network censors back into their holes..
    
    karl

    Karl, your error was probably due to:
    
      a) node was booting and had not completely started (race condition)
      b) someone has restricted net access to HUMAN and you got
    	 a bogus error message
    
    As for archiving, I've been advocating that for a few years now.  Too
    much information to wade thru.
    
    I suspect that someone, somewhere - who is in a position of authority,
    I might add - will make the *right* decision regarding employee
    interest conferences.  While it appears that some folks regularly abuse
    the privilege (read: note all day and do little (if any) productive
    work), the majority of people "note" with discretion and prudence.
    
    I'd be amazed if some silly bean-counter would fail to weigh the
    implications of amputating this arm of the Digital *culture*.  I've
    made more business contacts from employee interest conferences than
    from technical conferences.
    
+b

    In the interest of doing the "right thing", should we go thru the
    conference and clean up the S/N ratio? I'm probably the most guilty
    of entering "banter" notes that wouldn't be missed if deleted.
    
    Edd

    re .100 : non-informational "Banter" notes ?  US ??  
    
    karl

    > This sounds like something that's going to backfire heavily; I remember
    > reading in HUMAN::DIGITAL that the only reason quite a few people stay
    > is access to non-work Notes, creating a pleasing work environment.
    
    At a time when the company is trying desperately to cut down its
    headcount to avoid imposed layoffs, people threatening to leave if
    NOTES were taken away might not have the same effect it did back then.

Re: a few back about deleting old notes to save space...

Deleting the notes, without doing a compress on the conference, will not
make the conference any smaller... so remember to do the compress.
Has the conference been compressed lately? or ever?

(I am  saying  this from memory...  I used to moderate some conferences a
few years ago  and  that's  what I had to do then.  The way it worked was
that the Notes application  doesn't give the disk space back until you do
the compress, even though notes  were  deleted.   Things may have changed
since then. Notes experts?)

/Mitch

>    > This sounds like something that's going to backfire heavily; I remember
>    > reading in HUMAN::DIGITAL that the only reason quite a few people stay
>    > is access to non-work Notes, creating a pleasing work environment.
>    
>    At a time when the company is trying desperately to cut down its
>    headcount to avoid imposed layoffs, people threatening to leave if
>    NOTES were taken away might not have the same effect it did back then.

It was the *good, motivated* people who were saying that. (At least, the
impression I got from other, work-related, conferences was that they were/are
valuable contributors to the corporation.) Geoff Shingles has gone on public
record in the UK that he wants to get rid of the "underperformers". Such people
are hardly likely to vote with their feet since their chances elsewhere aint
so hot, whereas the overperformers know they can find something else quickly.

As for tidying up... There must be a lot of old notes with little relevance
now in here. However, doing the job may take up a lot of time and effort...
Shows willing, anyway, and that's good.  :-)

Gavin

    > It was the *good, motivated* people who were saying that. 
    
    > Geoff Shingles has gone on public record in the UK that he wants to 
    > get rid of the "underperformers". 

    You mean like the people who spend most of the day in non-work related
    notesfiles while the "good motivated people" are doing real work?

I know this doesn't address the underlying issues of "personal
interest" conferences, but if this conference is on an IM&T
machine, please let them know that this is a technical/business 
conference that supports Digital's marketing, research,
and development.  Computer music is no longer "just" a hobby for
this company, or for the computer industry.  This conference
certainly meets the technical/business criteria listed in 8.88.

    For anyone interested, I spent some time assigning keywords and
    generally cleaning up the conference during the few months before the
    move from NOVA to DNEAST.  I CONVERTed the conference - it went from
    84K to 73K blocks (big deal). I think I reconverted it to use a larger
    extent size to improve performance (and I think it ended up being
    around 88K blocks when it moved to DNEAST).
    
    The "backup" rule is a stupid decision obviously made by an individual
    with little or no technical ability.  Diskspace is not the problem
    here.  If folks have an interest in an EE conference, there will always
    be a place found for it, legally or not (it's very easy to hide a
    conference).
    
    Cleaning up old notes is an exercise in futility.  Trust me - I spent a
    *LOT* of my time assigning keywords and reorganizing topics in this
    conference.  There are too many interwoven "banter" threads to warrant
    any meaningful cleanup - the time required to do such a thing would be
    self-defeating in terms of "corporate resource utilization".  
    
    If the beaners have a problem with the conference, I'll host it down
    here.  We'll archive this one (viz, read-only time) and open a new one,
    and I'll use my *own* TK50s to back it up, and my *own* time.
    
    Sakes.
    
+b

    Is there some alternative to archiving the whole conference? How about
    transferring certain topics, or replies newer than a given date, to the
    new conference?
    
    I personally like to buy on the "following edge" -- and one of these
    days used EPS's are going to be cheap enough for even me :). It would
    be a pain to have to start a new topic in the new conference to ask my
    stupid questions, then get referred back to the old notes (RTFN), then
    come back for clarification, then go back for more perusal, etc.
    
    It might be hard to decide what stays and goes. Some topics are
    timeless. There will ALWAYS be someone asking about CZ101s?!
    
    - Hoyt (who still thinks that 100K is not too much)

    Just as an aside, I'm the sole surviving moderator of JAZZ, and the
    sys-mgr called me today to tell me he had been directed to kick us off
    the machine...it's spreading.
    
    							Brian
    
    P.S. I had just talked to him yesterday and he had neither seen the
    memo Edd had, or heard anything from his bosses about it.

    RE: Compress
    
    We compressed the file when it moved to DNEAST. That was the last time.
    
    If anyone has a non_IM&T machine they would host this conference on I
    have no problem with it moving. 
    
    I have yet to hear from IM staff yet as to what we're going to do.
    
    re: 8.8 I will look into re-classifying the conference, please supply
    a list of internal groups who use this conference *FOR THEIR WORK*.
    
    
    dbii

Re: .105

I walked into that one, didn't I?  :-)

The good ones know how to divide their time so that their recreational noting
doesn't interfere with their work. And, as we all know (or should) workingly
solidly for eight hours is counter-productive; you actually need a short
break of about five minutes once an hour or so to keep the batteries going. 
What better way to clear the mind than to whizz through a conference and see 
what's new?

Of course, with a windows system it's even easier....

Gavin
(after a 46 hour *work* week..... late on a Friday evening)

Brainless wonder.

Didn't anybody ever consider that is MORE WORK to figure out how to
EXCLUDE a file from a backup (for example - you can't exclude
individual files from a BACKUP/IMAGE command!) than it is just to
ignore extra bytes? You can set the file "/NOBACKUP", but 100K blocks
is a drop in the bucket on 8mm backup tapes and other modern backup
technology.  It isn't even all that much compared to the size of the
average VMS system disk.  Hey - I've seen larger page and swap files.

    As of yet ASO has not decided to follow Infante's demands, according to
    my management they wanted to push back or ignore it. Stay tuned.
    
    dbii

    This arrived over the weekend in the IM&T Online newsletter. IMHO Dan
    has decided that non-business related Conferences must go and this is
    how we can justify it.
    

>> Cost center manager responsibility for VAX Notes usage	     [35 lines]
	(26-Nov-1990, Dan Infante, DIM&T Admin)

Each and every VAX Notes conference runs on a computer owned by a cost center
manager. It is the responsibility of every cost center manager to ensure that
Digital's assets within his or her cost center are being used efficiently and
effectively.

Basically, there are two kinds of computer conferencing (Notes files):
technical/business and nontechnical/business.

Technical/business Notes files are used extensively in support of the companies
business -- product development, strategic collaboration, business
conferencing, reduce time to market, shorten problem resolution time, business
planning, and so on. These are clearly valid reasons to encourage Notes file
use as a productivity tool.

Nontechnical/business Notes files are those covering personal interests. These
files have grown to unreasonable levels and, in many instances, do not
contribute to our productivity objectives. This type of use is consuming
valuable network capacity and consuming disk/storage space. Both of these are
increasing costs to the company.

All cost center managers and system managers must monitor nontechnical/business
Notes files. Effective immediately, I am instructing all IM&T managers and
system managers not to back up nontechnical/business Notes files. Additionally,
they are to cut back on capital required for Notes access, and monitor the
optimization of their computer capital.

Our Corporate Security and Personnel policies are very clear, and my
expectations are that our cost center managers will comply with their
managerial responsibility.
    

re           <<< Note 8.114 by DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID "Reelect nobody!" >>>

> Nontechnical/business Notes files are those covering personal interests. These
> files have grown to unreasonable levels and, in many instances, do not
> contribute to our productivity objectives. This type of use is consuming

	This conference is technical - err, isn't it ?   I am using 
this conference and the Amiga conference (also technical, perhaps more 
easily recognizably so to management ?) to help me learn to program in C.  

	Oh, I  *_KNOW_*  there are internal courses at dec - and my cc 
manager knows they're over $1K per week, and we all know how 
interesting the examples from courses can be, right ?   So, I'm using
a hobby interest as a vehicle for learning C (and lotsa cross tools)
I'll learn and produce a lot more.   ....and who knows, we just might
get in the business of<Nahh, forget it>

	Reg

PS	Bars & Pipes  *_REALLY_*  gets interesting when you get ahold
	of the sources to some of the "tools". 

    Well I thought I'd update everyone. The winds of change are still
    blowing up here in Maine. I want to make sure that everyone knows where
    things stand as of today. I stress no decisions have been made yet, and
    I'm in a position to influence the decison somewhat (more on that
    later).
    
    We have a capacity problem on the DNEAST cluster. Commusic is the
    hottest non-business related notesfile on the cluster, with links
    nearly 18 hours a day, and during peaks we're serving 4-10 links just
    to Commusic alone. The business types have restricted our ability to
    buy hardware for the next six months at least. So...things being
    discussed are restricting access to "off" business hours (1800-0500).
    Just plain getting rid of the non-business related conferences is the
    other alternative under discussion. No decisions have been made yet,
    I've been tasked with looking into what processing can be done away
    with or moved to off hours and the staff is particularly interested in
    the notesfile portion of this. So it might be best to get ahead of the
    staff and being to look for a new home (if necessary).
    
    ULTRA::BURGESS, do you have capacity for it? OR anyone else? Those of
    you who use this conference for your work at DEC, do you have a home?
    
    Fellow moderators what think ye?
    
    
    dbii

About two weeks ago I wrote Ed C:

Hey, guess what.  Dan Infante has instructed system managers not to back
up hobby conferences any more.  Hard to argue with him.  But the next step
is elimination.  Like hobby "conferences.. have
grown to an unreasonable level" and don't contribute anything.  Sounds
like somebody sent something to that cost cutting conference.   I wonder
how much eliminating these conference altogether would save.  I think it
isn't clear.  If you condemned notes to reside on crappy old drives, that
helps, but net bandwidth is still consumed.  But how much?  Could be
substantial.  Nobody knows.  We dont' have measurements of the effect on
net bandwidth of notes, although the previous reply gives an indication.

Recreational notes helped debug the notes
product for years, but that's not needed any more.  Someone from Cambridge
Research Lab asked opinions of Commusicers about a CRL multi-media
project.  People have discussed that DECworld demo of MIDI files moving
over servers to different computers.  Commusic has helped the company.

I think that unilaterally volunteering to run during non-peak hours
(per some measurement and a cut off per a good criterion) would show
good faith on the part of conference users and help preserve the
largely recreational conferences.

Tom

    Dave,  thanks for the heads-up.  It's appalling where the F&A people
    think we should cut costs, (like I can't get loaner gear for my
    resellers without dispensation from the Deity, while salespeople in
    this office FLY to Phoenix, 120 miles away), mostly in areas that
    make DEC worth working in.  And yes, we should play up the
    contributions that COMMUSIC made to Mike Good's Presence project,
    and of course the MIDI demo at DECworld.
    
    In the past, due to high net traffic, HUMAN::DIGITAL would be taken
    offline during peak business hours, and put back on after hours.  Of
    course, HUMAN was only a MicroVAX II.  I would support, if you get
    pressed, taking commusic offline 8-5 EST.  Of course, it's no problem
    here, because we're at work 2 or 3 hours after y'all head home.
    
    COMMUSIC is an important resource to me !  I'd volunteer my box, but
    KEYS:: is a VS2000 with limited disk space.  That brings up the
    question; which is the issue placing commusic more in danger - the
    amount of disk space it consumes, or the number of links in from noters
    during the day ?
    
    I'd support a purge.  Not much prior to 1988 is relevant to me.. most
    of those synths are antiques.
    
    best. karl

    
    Just to let people know - I recently read an internal document
    entitled CDA Audio Extensions, which included sections dealing with
    MIDI, so COMMUSIC *is* work related.  Don't let anyone tell you
    otherwise.
    
    RE: DNEAST et al...
    
    I may be sorry for suggesting this.... but...
    
    I'd be willing to host a *new* version of COMMUSIC here on MIDI
    (a VAXstation 3100 M38 SPX with 20 meg of memory).
    
    I still have over 100000 free blocks but I wouldn't want the old 
    COMMUSIC here as well (not worth it if you ask me).  I'd even be 
    willing (in the new conf) to create official notes for every synth 
    I can think of, so it would start out being very organized.

    If Dan Gosselin's offer to start a new conference is the best offer
    we can get, I will volunteer to host (for the time being) the
    conference as-is, although I don't know how long I could do that.
    
    Dan's offer is very gracious, but there's simply too much valuable
    information in this conference to relegate to a backup tape in
    someone's office.
    
    So, I could host COMMUSIC, however, backups would be DONE, but very 
    occasionally (every couple of weeks perhaps).
    
    I would much prefer that we find another host however.  I really can't
    afford much time for COMMUSIC other than reading it.  I think I've
    done "my share" of hosting conferences.

    I'd just like to say that if Noting is only possible within normal
    working hours, it will leave us UK noters with mornings only to note. 
    
    I suppose it would be better than nothing though.
    
    matty

How many blocks is this conference anyway?

Our group's notes node is already one of the most heavily used
network nodes in DEC, but if I know how many blocks it is at
least I can see if it's feasible to bring over the current
version.

     The band "Farrenheit" will be playing at Classics in Manchester
    tonight. Wed. Jan. 23rd  This band is a Must see. {take it from me!}
    and features a fellow Deccie named Charlie Farren.
    
                                 JT

    Is there any interest in a new conference devoted mainly to
    playing keyboards?
    
    COMMUSIC is very technology oriented but I can't think of any notesfile
    where I might ask things about approach to playing keyboards (chord
    voicings for example) and such.
    
    These days I guess I regard myself as a "keyboardist" (5 years ago
    I would've told you I was a guitarist) because that's what I seem
    to be doing mostly, but as much as I love chatting about the hardware,
    I still view my primary interest as being "software", that is,
    the MUSIC itself.

	Is there any particular reason why you wouldn't want to discuss these 
things here?  I mean, its not like its against the conference guidelines or 
anything...  Guitar notes regularly intermingle topics on playing technique
and technical equipment concerns.

	I personally would hate to see a discussion on keyboards in particular
broken off to another conference.  I don't have a lot of time to devote to 
noting anymore and I'd hate to have to address another conference.

	Dan
	

    I'd like to see more discussion of keyboard playing.  It just doesn't
    seem to be happening in this conference, for whatever reason, and
    that's too bad.  Maybe that is an indication that it wouldn't happen in
    a different conference, or maybe, by magic, it would.  I wouldn't
    object to a new conference.  I'd follow it.  If it was inactive, it
    could always be deleted.
    
    								Marc

    I echo Dan's sentiments. 
    
    ...although like Mark, if there was another conference I'd be there.
    
    Edd

    If you want to talk about keyboard playing, then talk about it.
    If you want to talk about chord voicing (which HAS been talked about
    here) then talk about it.
    
    Note that others than keyboard players worry about chord voicing.
    
    If there is another conference where general musical technique (such
    as chord voicing) it would be MUSIC, but that conference has much
    greater emphasis on fans and listening to music.
    
    COMMUSIC, equally misnamed, is about the technique and technology
    of creating, producing, performing, and recording music.  I'd say
    talk about it here.  Ask your questions, and I am sure you will get
    answers.

    The reason for doing it in a separate conference is not that it isn't
    allowed here, but that people that are interested in it wouldn't
    look here.
    
    In addition, as MUSIC moderator I know that even interested people
    have a tendency not to participate if the content of the conference
    they are interested in a small percentage.
    
    IMHO such notes would be distinctly different from the usual COMMUSIC
    material.
    
    I'd like to ask why the folks who've answered so far what REASONS they
    have for thinking that kind of discussion should be here and NOT
    in a separate conference?
    
    

    Well, since you asked...
    
    It's my opinion that COMMUSIC already *is* the "Keyboard" conference.
    The fact that discussions of technique aren't carried on seem to be
    more a function of the participant's wants/needs than any "charter"
    conflict.
    
    Honestly, although I'd read a "technique" conference, the idea of
    adding yet another to my notebook is unappealing. When the special
    interest groups defected from MUSIC, I lost track of all of them.
    Then MUSIC itself turned into "pop music" and I squashed that too.
    
    Specialization isn't always advantageous. Carried to it's absurd
    end, should we have a PIANO_TECHNIQUE conference, a RHODES_technique,
    a DX..., a JX.... Nah...
    
    To sum it up, I'd support it, but doing so would be a hassle...
    
    Edd

      <<< Note 8.132 by DCSVAX::COTE "There wasn't even any Hollywood!" >>>
>    Honestly, although I'd read a "technique" conference, the idea of
>    adding yet another to my notebook is unappealing. When the special
>    interest groups defected from MUSIC, I lost track of all of them.
>    Then MUSIC itself turned into "pop music" and I squashed that too.
    
    YES !  What he said.  I can't even find time to check into the "Pre-1900
    Flatpick and Slide Delta Guitar" conference these days.. let alone my 
    favorites, Heavy Metal, Extra heavy Metal, Alternative Radio, and 
    Radio-Radio..  Keep it here, and announce it in the other conferences.
    
    IMHO, FWIW. karl

I'll add my support for retaining such discussions in COMMUSIC. (I'm primarily
keyboard-oeiented, BTW.)

Reason? I agree that COMMUSIC is basically misnamed. To me it is for discussions
of making music, start to finish. It doesn't exclude acoustic music discussions,
although it isn't of strong interest to anyone who *does* exclude *nonacoustic*
music by preference. I've whittled down my conference involvement substantially,
and COMMUSIC represents to me the best overall coverage of my fairly diverse
musical interests. I think part of the "interest factor" in COMMUSIC is the mix
of the noters' specialties- synergy is one of my favorite phenomena.

Cheers,
	Bob

    To Bob,
    
    If you really think its the making MUSIC conference would you then accept 
    merging with the GUITAR and DRUMS conference?  Now before you answer
    let me warn you that GUITAR is probably the most active conference
    I read - like 80 new notes a day and on such stimulating topics like
    "Why playing fast is bad".
    
    	db

  <<< Note 8.135 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "I'll have 2 all-u-can-eat platters" >>>
      -< Do you wanna wade through tabs of the latest heavy metal riffs? >-
    
    Dave, I didn't go back to look but I thought you were discussing, like, 
    KEYBOARD tablature and voicings.  Not too many HM keyboardists..
    
    karl

Annuder vote for keeping it here.  I sometimes read the Guitar
conference which has a name that correlates with a proposed "Keyboard"
conference; I find that most of the discussion there is about technical
stuff (amps amps amps...). There are good technique discussions too,
but let's face it folks, DEC is a techie company and the people
here get into the technical side of things regardless of conference
name.  The music makers who are less interested in the technical
side have different "day jobs"  ;-). I think a keyboard only conference
would starve or dilute the quality of COMMUSIC.

I agree with the idea of identifying a note to encourage keyboard
technique discussion and announcing it in the appropriate conferences.

My 2 pennies,
Dave

    Edd,
    
    I won't grant that this is the "keyboard" conference, but I'll grant
    that it IS the "MIDI" conference and observe that Keyboard magazine
    does extensively cover MIDI that isn't directly related to "keyboards"
    whereas Guitar Player doesn't delve into the MIDI area nearly as
    deeply.
    
    I guess I just don't think a place called "COMMUSIC" is the right place
    to talk about PLAYING keyboards.  But then, it's not even really the
    right place to talk about MIDI either.
    
    Let's just say that I'm slowly throwing away my sentimental attachments
    to the name "COMMUSIC" in favor of more practical considerations.
    
    	db

db- it don't make much matter to me, rahlly...

Nah, I wouldn't mind entries in a single note pursued by devoted HM guitarists.
Yah, I probably wouldn't want to skip over 80% of new entries. If you start a
new conference, I'll probably try it out, and may or may not drop it. If you
start notes in this conference, I'll most likely be an interested participant
the old "walk-in trade" scenario.

Bob

    Dave -
    
    Ya know, for the life of me, I don't see your issue...
    
    Edd
    

    > Not too many HM keyboardists
    
    You missed my point.
    
    I was pointing out that using Bob's description of what is appropriate
    for COMMUSIC we could merge the note for guitar players with COMMUSIC.
    I suspect that few COMMUSIC readers would appreciate the content
    of the GUITAR conference.
    
    Anyway, I withdraw the suggestion.  However, I probably will (continue)
    to not be inclined to discuss keyboard playing here.  I guess that my
    real motive was to have a notesfile that is relatively free of
    "Music equipment".
    
    I don't deny being an equipment junkie myself, it's just that every so
    often, I *REALLY* feel like I need a break from it.
    
    I guess that's what I was really looking for.

       I'm confused...nothing out of the ordinary there, but...no one's
       suggesting that the conference should be renamed, right?  As long
       as the word computer is in the conference name it probably has a
       better chance of surviving the cutbacks that were announced a
       couple of months ago.

       So where are those technique topics?
       
       
       

I've been reading this conference for a couple of months now, as people asking 
for keyboards notes were referred here from UK_Musicians. And this is the 
first time I've written. This conference IS intimidating!!

Now, I'm not complaining (honest!). But for a newcomer, who's just bought his 
first Yamaha and is still at novice level, it seems that this is a very 
high-tech conference. It's dominated by a few people who are obviously very 
good at what they do - and a lot of this is more to do with electronics than 
with learning how to play music. (As an example, what about that guy who asked 
for advice on how to buy a piano? 90% of you jumped on him to say 'Get a 
keyboard'!!).

I'm sure you're all eagerly going to say that you'd love to have a wider range 
of topics, and I'm also sure you'd encourage we novices to learn from you. But 
I wonder how many people would feel more at home in a less techy conference?

Personally, if one was started, I'd use it, and proably file this one away 
until I felt I could understand it a bit better.

Thanks,

grahame

db-

Disregarding my *own* proclivities, I've seen enough of the arguments of folks
who want your proposed topics in a new conference that I have to agree. My
interests are not everyone's, and I can see the logic in arguments for
splitting this topic off. My preferences are unabashedly based on my own
convenience, which is not a valid consideration. I guess I'd suggest you go for
it, big guy!

Cheers,
	Bob

    A less techy conference that just talks about music?   Just music
    theory can get sufficiently techy that most people can't understand it.
    
    I sure wish there was more general theory talk here - I couldn't tell
    you what chord progressions work better in a blues tune, but I would
    like to learn.  Maybe somebody else already knows that, but would like
    to know the pros and cons of Dolby vs dbx.  (No!  Not again!)
    
    Ok, so maybe the relative advantages of different alloy formulations
    for guitar strings belongs in the GUITAR conference.   Or maybe in
    the FOLK_MUSIC conference.
    
    One person's "technology" is another's "craft".

    Well, there is no real music theory type conference *anywhere*.  GUITAR
    has the most, but it's oriented towards guitar palying and rock/metal
    in particular.  FOLK_MUSIC has almost zero topics on playing, JAZZ and
    MUSIC too.  It's more listeners there.  
    
    I always found it interesting that "Guitar Player" had more music
    theory type articles than "Keyboard", which is, like COMMUSIC, more
    tech-oriented.  I guess that's beacuse many (most?) keyboardists have
    studied music compared to guitarists who seem to be mostly self-taught.
    
    I say put 'em in here or put 'em in another conference but put 'em in. 
    I'd like to see some stuff like that, perhaps more practical stuff then
    thumbing through Piston's book...
    
    
    							Brian

    Re: .135

    talk about a slam!  That's hardly fair to criticize a conference in
    another conference.

	Here are the conferences I'd like to see in an ideal noting
	world:

	MUSIC_APPRECIATION - discussion of music from a fan's
		perspective - artists and recordings. One central
		one for general musical discussion, plus specialized
		oned for certain popular genres (JAZZ, CLASSICAL...).
		Combination of current MUSIC, RECORDS, CD conferences.

	AUDIO/VIDEO - the equipment a fan (non-musician) needs to 
		enjoy music. With hi-fi VCR's, audio/video receivers,
		popular music videos, etc., I don't think the distinction
		between audio and video is meaningful anymore.

	MUSIC_THEORY - This is the one I would be most interested in,
		and the area that's neglected by the current conferences.
		This would cover music theory (harmonic, rhythmic,
		melodic, etc.) and composition. How do *you* go about
		writing a rock song? How can I modulate from C to Gb
		in one measure of 5/4? How do I arrange for a brass
		section? What's the "Steely Dan chord" and why does
		it sound so good?

	MUSIC_EQUIPMENT - Discussion of equipment used to make, amplify,
		or record music. Associated conferences for certain
		specific types of equipment (GUITAR, KEYBOARDS). The
		main conference would cover home studios, recording
		equipment, sequencers, signal processing equipment,
		and musical instruments that don't have their own
		conferences.

	MUSIC_PERFORMANCE - Discussion of aspects of performance, from
		forming a band and getting gigs (or recording	
		contracts), to specific techniques of specific
		instruments. The latter would also be a valid topic
		in the instrument conferences (GUITAR, KEYBOARDS, etc.).

	Well, I can dream, can't I? In practice, the existing conferences
	have too much history behind them for this to get done. Too many
	useful notes already out there to start from scratch (even if
	they are all lost in the noise). I will say, though, if I 
	was to choose one useful thing to do, it would be to create 
	a MUSIC_THEORY conference. It's the one thing that's not well 
	covered elsewhere (and it's the one I'm most interested in:-).

	Mike

    re: .147 (Heiser)  
    
    > some of us like those riffs
    
    Yeah, and I'm one of them!

>    talk about a slam!  That's hardly fair to criticize a conference in
>    another conference.
    
    Why does this happen SO often in notes?  Is there no hope?
    
    What I wrote is "hardly" criticism.  YOU are inferring that!
    
    The only intention was to point out by example that the content of that
    file is not something that not many people here are interested in.
    
    That's not being critical of another conference!
    
    	db - Charter (and continuing) subscriber to "Guitar for the
    	     Practicing Musician" - a magazine largely composed of
    	     Heavy Metal tablature!!!

    {blush}
    
    sorry db.  I love GUITAR's format and am really appreciative of the
    wealth of information on theory as well as product technology.  
    
    Mike

    People are talking a lot about a "theory conference".
    
    I just want to disambiguate that from my suggestion.  My suggestion
    is "something besides equipment".  There's a lot more topics left
    after "equipment" besides "theory".
    
    I just mean to say that I'm not looking for a "theory" conference.
    
    I'd like to talk about all kinds of things like, methods of practice,
    what brings out your best stuff, copping riffs, influences, etc.
    etc.
    
    
    ...AND theory of course.
    
    	db

    
    Dave, since I assume you are willing to host and moderate an
    alternative conference, why don't you just *do* it? There's 
    really no need for this...
    
    Edd

       
       
       
       
       
       I like the idea of a THEORY notesfile.  The stuff in the GUITAR
       conference is good enough, but it would be nice to get
       contributions from the people who can't be bothered to wade
       through all the fun we have there.
       
       
       
       
       

    Not everything has to be theory though to take the focus off of
    products.  Look at notes 2055 and 2265 in here.  Tricks and techniques
    of playing can add a lot to this conference too.
    
    Mike

Re: db
>    I just mean to say that I'm not looking for a "theory" conference.
>    I'd like to talk about all kinds of things like, methods of practice,
>    what brings out your best stuff, copping riffs, influences, etc.
>    etc.
>    ...AND theory of course.

  ...sounds like you want a
         MUSIC_THEORY_AND_PRACTICE_BUT_NOT_EQUIPMENT conference.

That one, I'd follow.

/Mitch

    OK, right now I'm exceedingly busy, but give me some time to get
    out of my project crunch and some time to have this stuff "settle
    in" and I'll figure out what I think should be done.
    
    I sorta WOULD like to get more ideas (like what the stated focus of the
    conference might be) and this place seems as good as any, but I get
    the impression Edd wouldn't appreciate that.
    
    Send me mail.

    I've no problem with the solicitation for ideas, but the discussion 
    seemed to be turning into more of a lobbying effort. I plead guilty
    to that myself.
    
    My point is you don't need a consensus to start a new file. Start one
    up and go for it. I personally don't see the need, but don't pretend
    to speak for anyone other than myself.
    
    Having said that, I'm outta this unless I feel the need to "set mod".
    
    Edd

    I don't feel like I have enough time to follow this notesfile in great
    detail, and even less time to respond to anything. But this topic
    caught my interest.
    
    When I first heard about the COMMUSIC notesfile, I thought it was about
    Computer Music. I find it interesting that the list in 8.148 doesn't
    even mention that! I would like to see more emphasis on the use of
    computers to do music.
    
    From this viewpoint, synthesizers are merely peripheral devices. Sure,
    computer buffs follow the latest technology on peripherals (laser
    printers, scanners, etc), but that's only one aspect of the whole
    experience. News of processors, software, and methods is of interest
    too. But these things are parts of the whole experience of being a
    computer buff. Learning what you can do, how you do it, and sharing
    these techniques with other people that share your interest, are the
    main part of being an enthusiast. That isn't something you purchase or
    read reviews about - it's more of the art of using your computer.
    
    I would have thought that being a "computer music" hobbyist would be
    really similar to being a "computer" hobbyist - just add on the music
    aspects. Yet what seems to be happening instead is that there is a lot
    of dwelling on the peripherals, and only a little on the software,
    processors and hardly anything on methods.
    
    The recent discussion about AlgoRhythms was great! This is what I had
    expected most of COMMUSIC to be about. Yet I have seen little
    discussion of topics like that. Oh well...

    re: .158
    
    Bill,
    
    I think, if the truth be said, that that was the original intention of
    the conference and it basically just got dominated by general MIDI
    discussion.
    
    It's often been proposed that we rename the conference to MIDI, but
    there's, I guess, a sorta sentimental/traditional attachment to the
    name COMMUSIC.

	OK, how about a com
bination of mine and db's ideas -
	a "theory & practice" conference which would cover all
	the stuff I had in mind, plus performance issues for
	instruments other than guitar and drums (which are
	thoroughly covered in their own conferences). Actually,
	when you think about it, performance issues are of course
	very closely tied to composition - you need to know something
	about an instrument to write for it, and from the
	other side, improvisational performance is really
	just composing on the fly. Just so long as the
	equipment discussions are kept out - if such a conference
	existed, I'd drop GUITAR and COMMUSIC from my regular
	notebook and only refer to them when I need to learn
	something about equipment.

	So, who creates it? Timewise, I'm busy like everyone else,
	but if I drop GUITAR and COMMUSIC it probably would have
	little impact overall (I'd hope). My management's pretty
	open-minded, so in theory there'd be little problem with
	creating it on KOALA - except that we've got a severe
	shortage of disk space at the moment. That should be
	resolved in a month or two. If someone creates such
	a conference in the immediate future, great, if not
	I'll ask my management if I can do it once we get our
	disks...

	Mike

One problem with discussing theory in Notes is that the
medium just doesn't match the content very well.  It's
much easier to discuss musical theory if you can use
musical notation!  But there's no easy way to do that
and share it in Notes.  So the conferences do tend to
focus on what we can easily write about.

re: Theory

	We had this *exact* discussion in GUITAR a while back. Most 
people are interested in the techie stuff. Whenver a theory (or 
generally playing) note is posted, the thread dies a quick death. 
Oh, sure you can get an answer to a question but forget long term
discussions about anything except hardware (witness the Kitty 
Hawk Amplifiers note in GUITAR). 

	I think a theory/playing conference would be good (for me),
but only if it could be applied to guitar/bass as well as keyboard. 

re: COMMUSIC

	I stayed out of this conference for a long time because I
thought it *was* about computers and music. Now I'm a member 
because it's *not* only about computers/midi & music, but also
about home recording in general. 

-Tom

    Ahh, recording.  Where the rubber meets the road.
    
    So is recording, microphone placement, and such, a THEORY & PRACTICE
    kind of thing, or a technodweeb COMMUSIC kind of thing?  Or maybe if
    it is about microphone placement for recording guitars, it goes in
    the GUITAR conference.
    
    I hope LinkWorks (nee Memex) will make it easy to follow links from one
    file to another for stuff like this.
    
    
    	"Talking about music is like tap-dancing about architecture."
    			- Laurie Anderson (?)

Well it's time I jumped into the fray...

I think a making music or theory notesfile is a waste of assetts. Discuss it
here, I'm certain that there are knowledgable folk here who would participate.
At a time when the corporation is looking at ALL non-business related 
notesfiles in a less than benevolent manner, it's seems both follish and
risky to continue to propogate yet another notesfile that is related to 
several that already exist out there.

re: the guitar "theory" discussion. One of the reasons theory discussions
die so fast is that at least some of the folk who know don't participate and
those who don't have the knowledge often don't even know what to ask...I 
would hesitate to say that most guitar players are musically illiterate but
certainly MANY are.

off my soapbox for now....

dbii 

	re .161:

	The medium hasn't kept things like the recent "Pad" note, or some
	of the notes in GUITAR, from being very interesting and helpful.
	Besides, we've got DDIF, nothing to keep people from putting
	in real notation (if they've got the tools to create it and
	convert it to DDIF). Of course, the people without workstations
	would be out of luck...

	Recording techniques are pretty well covered here and in
	GUITAR, I wouldn't want to see them in a theory conference
	too.

	A theory conference as a waste of assets? As opposed to
	the endless chatter notes in GUITAR? As opposed to the amount
	of time people like me who are interested in *music* more than
	toys have to spend NEXT UNSEENing past all the techno and
	chatter notes? I'm a corporate asset (yeah, right drop the
	last two letters if you want:-), and my time would be better
	spent in the THEORY conference than in the current ones.

	Mike

	I have posted a lot of music in here in sixel. -Tom

Yeah a waste of assetts as in Dan Infante is looking at the NUMBER of 
'employee interest' notesfiles not the size of them.

dbii

	What does Dan Infante have to do with anything? He issued a
	confused memo about not backing up employee interest files
	in his group (IM&T), later basically rescinded when the
	real impact of the memo was pointed out. Maybe someone
	in IM&T attempting to start a new music file might be
	concerned about that old memo, but the only impact outside
	of IM&T was the panic of people who mistook it for some
	sort of corporate policy.

	Mike

    Dave, 
    
    Could you tell me who Dan Infante is and where he is on the org chart?
    
    Does he have corporate-wide influence?
    
    Also what has he done since his "no backup" memo.  You seem to
    suggest that he is going beyond just not doing backups.

	Dan Infante is the head of IM&T (formerly DIS). He issued
	a memo a few months ago instructing system managers in
	IM&T to not backup non-work notes conferences. He also
	made some comments implying that he wouldn't mind if they
	went away completely. The memo got forwarded all over the
	place, and people who didn't bother reading it carefully
	mistook it for some sort of corporate policy against
	"employee interest" conferences. A group within IM&T
	responded with a memo pointing out that avoiding the
	backups was more trouble than it was worth, and suggesting
	a better approach was simply to make sure they didn't
	get out of hand (i.e., establishing disk quotas for them).
	Infante replied with a "Yeah, that's a good idea" memo.
	See LESLIE:EMPLOYEE_INTEREST_NOTING, note 20.1, for these
	last two memos. The original memo is in there somewhere
	as well.

	I see no problem with starting a new music theory conference...

	Mike

    Ensoniq clinic in Worcester, MA at Union Music on Southbridge St.
    
    Thursday, May 9th.
    
    Product speciailist Bob Stillman will demo the new SD-1, SQ-1+ and SQ-2
    synthesizers plus be available to yell at about how your VFX crashes
    all the time  8^)  8^)  8^)
    
    508-753-3702 to reserve a space.
    
    						Brian

             <<< BOLT::MAY14$DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]ATARIST.NOTE;3 >>>
                       -< Atari's 68000 based systems. >-
================================================================================
Note 25.33                       NaVAUS Notices                         33 of 33
PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ "Jeffrey A. Lomicka"                21 lines  29-APR-1991 15:08
                            -< Cheap Midi Tomorrow >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
			M E E T I N G   N O T I C E

         Date:  Tuesday, April 30th, 1991	7:15 Officers Reports
         Time:  7:15 pm				7:45 Break
     Location:  Acton Christian Church		8:00 Cheap Midi Demos
        Topic:  Cheap Midi

The April 30 meeting will be a demonstration of "Cheap Midi" on the Atari
ST.  Several members will be showing how inexpensive electronic musical
instruments can be connected to the ST, and driven using inexpensive or
free software.  There will be no "professional" equipment used here.
While we all know that the Atari ST is an excellent tool for the
professional musician, this demo is aimed at how we can use the Midi
capability of the ST for our own enjoyment and education.  Demos will be
done by Buzz Hamilton, Roy Lomicka, Joe Oconnor, and Jeff Lomicka.

Hardware will consist of two mini-key Casio keyboards ('240 and '540)
and the DH200.  (Nothing over $100).

Software will include some public domain sequencer software, samples
from the club's collection of "Music Studio" format music files, the
"ROBO-BOP" shareware drum sequencer, and if I can figure it out in
time, a demonstration of the demo of the new music program TCB-TRACKER,
a sample sound player.

Acton Christian Church is at 45 Minot Ave, which is near the
intersection of Rt 2 and Rt 27.  Turn NORTH at the first traffic light
on Rt 2 that is EAST of Rt 27. (This intersection is near the entrance
of Digital's Piper Road plant.)  This road takes you past the Conant
school.  Beyond the school, you reach a bend in the road.  Where the
road bends to the left, you turn RIGHT, onto Minot Ave. the church is
right there on your LEFT.  Big church sign on the front lawn, you can't
miss it.

    Well Dan Infante has raised his head again. He has resent the memo
    asking for files to be marked "nobackup". I have raised some questions
    on this, and also mentioned the business related aspects of the file
    and may have staved off any action for the moment. Dan is aparantly
    reacting to a note to SONATA::IDEAS_CENTRAL which called for
    elimination of non business related notesfiles to save money. It was a
    matter of time for that...
    
    Attached are my comments to management.
    


    We recieved that memo a long time ago the first time. At that time I
    requested the IM staff to comment. The feedback I got was that we in
    ASO were not going to implement this. Later I heard of/saw a memo from
    Dan withdrawing the original request. I'll look for that tomorrow and
    if I can find it I will copy you on it. In the meantime I think that we
    in ASO should notify all moderators of this action, should we take it,
    and allow notesfile users etc. the opportunity to look elsewhere for a
    home if the lack of backups causes them concern. If we do, in fact,
    impliment this (no backups) then I believe that we ought to allow a
    grace period for a new home for this data to be sought out and secured
    if that is desired.

    RE: Commusic. Commusic is work related for several groups in
    engineering, the CDA audio engineering sought input from the users of
    the file, a lively discussion is taking place there, with participation
    from both recreational and professional users of this notesfile and
    there is a lively discussion of that future product going on. I'd be
    willing to discuss the details with you, but I think it's at least
    marginally business related and we should probably leave that
    particular notesfile alone.

    My understanding is that Dan is out on a limb on this, with few or no
    supporters. Upper management has in the past blessed employee interest
    notesfiles and has left it up to individual managers to manage
    performance and abuse of this unofficial benefit. Other than Dan's memo
    I have yet to see any major Corporate policy change here, and I know
    that other groups are not carrying out similar policies. It's doubtful
    that there is much, if any real benefit or cost savings suggested here.
    Let's face it a couple of tapes isn't much, and we'll lose that the
    first time a notesfile gets corrupted, just in operator/system manager
    time identifying the cause of the problem and dealing with the notefile
    user queries from all over the company.
    
    ------end of my comments----
    
    It's possible that the answer is going to be for the groups who feel
    this is work related to take ownership of the notesfile. So once again
    there is a possibility that this file might like/need a new home.
    
    I offer to perform the backups myself, to TK70 or some similar medium,
    if it becomes necessary. However my committment to that work would be a
    weekly full backup, and real work could possibly cause that to
    sometimes be less than every single week.
    
    Does anyone have a pointer the Infante's retraction?
    
    dave

	Did *he* send the memo again, or did the old memo just get
	dug up by someone else (as commonly happens, just like
	urban legends)? I'd be curious to see the new memo if there
	is one...

	Mike

    He has aparrantly re-snet the orginal memo out to all IM&T sites. We're
    currently debating how/what to do about this here at ASO. When I know
    more I'll let everyone know.
    
    dave

    Interesting news for those of you bad boys and girls who send
    stuff through inter-office mail.
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    
From:	STUDIO::REILLEY 15-May-1991 0948" 15-MAY-1991 09:45:52.79
To:	SHERPA,JOEF,NYC,DAVEP,VICH,AMOS
CC:	
Subj:	F.y.i.

;from  ABO

We were notified this morning that as part of DEC cost reduction
programs, all inter-office mail in brown envelopes will be opened
by the mail room clerk.  Any material that is not legitimate
DEC business will be returned to the sender, or, if no return address
is available, will be thrown away.  This announcement claimed that
anything put in a brown inter-office envelope and placed in the 
inter-office mail system becomes the property of DEC.  *ALL* such
mail will be opened and inspected.

    Interesting - as part of a *cost reduction* program, mail room clerks
    will now take the time to open all mail.  I'm not sure I see how this will
    dramatically improve their productivity.  But then again, I'm not a
    bureaucrat.
    
    len.
    

rathole nit.

If the mail is labeled Digital Restricted Distribution or Digital Personal,
or Digital Confidential, then mail-room clerks can't open it legally (or 
legal as defined in Corporate Security Policy).

I'm sure it won't stop people. I agree with .-1. Sometimes I wonder how this
company got so strange.

/pjh

    Amen.
    
    I'm sure paying somebody to open and inspect will certainly be more
    efficient than moving a couple floppies...
    
    ...and will the mailroom clerks be able to properly decide what items
    are DEC business and which are personal??? Some stuff is obvious, but
    much isn't...
    
    Edd

    re: last few
    
    Management used to regard "building better mousetraps" as the road
    to properity for the company.  These days, they seem more focused
    on removing water coolers.
    
    I try to keep my head down and ignore all this nonsense but it gets
    harder every day.
    
    	db

    Maybe if the people in the mail room know what business we are in (so
    they can throw out anything that doesn't fit that business) they
    could let us know too.

    re: .180 -  We lost the mousetrap business.  Instead we sell mousetrap
    	services - integrating them, managing them, supplying the cheese.
    	And rather obviously, too much mouse poop is being returned for
    	further processing.
    
    		bob
    

Re .180, .182:

Apparently you haven't seen the latest round of memos- in another cost-cutting
move, all the cheese has been removed from the mousetraps. This has the
additional side benefit of eliminating the positions responsible for emptying
the traps, as they now never catch anything. Pretty amazing, eh?

The one I got the other day said that in order to save more money, they turned
off the light at the end of the tunnel... Maybe that's only in half jest...;^)

Re .184:

Yeah, I got that one, too. Rumor has it that they're also considering blocking
off the end of the tunnel to save on heat. At least, last I *heard* it was
only one end...

    I still see a light at the end of the tunnel.  I musta' been going the
    wrong way all along!  Guess I'll turn around and go the same way
    everybody else is going ...
    
    Steve

	On June 27, 28, and 29 1991 I will perform my work, "A Refugee From
	Performance Art" at the Performance Place at the Elizabeth Peabody
	House in Somerville, MA.  Admission is $12.00.  For reservations call
	(617) 625-1300.
	This is the blurb in their brochure for subscribers:
	"A Refugee From Performance Art" Boston Artist Thomas E. Janzen 
	unleashes his quirky, real-life satire of a small Seattle gallery vs.
	The Art Industry.  In the storytelling mode of Spaulding Gray,
	Janzen spins tales of censorship and naivite.  Inusing them with 
	computer-generated music and images.
	Thus-Sat. 8PM $12.

	The Performance Place is at 277 Broadway in Somerville, around the
	corner from Somerville Lunber, near Sullivan Station on the
	Orange Line (15 min. walk, take B'way straight up, it's on the
	right).  Bus 89 or 101 from Sullivan is a 5 minute ride; get out
	at Star Market and go back a block.  From Harvard sq. take bus 86
	to Sullivan, and from Davis Square take bus 90 to Sullivan.
	To drive, take rt 28 (McGrath Hiway) North past
	the museum of Science.  After the steel bridge, go left at the 
	second light (onto Broadway). The Performance
	Place is 2 blocks up on your right.
	Or take Rt. 93 to Rt 28 exti and rt 28 south one block, turn right,
	onto broadway (at dunkin donuts).  Performance Place 
	is 2 blocks up on your right.

	The performance is about 1100 words, just over an hour plus some
	graphics so it might be 75 minutes unless I can come with more.
	Algorithms computer-gend music is only a small part.  Computer
	graphics will run on video about 70% of the time I think.
	It's just me telling stories about artists.  
	Tom

       A former DECcie friend of mine who currently works for Young Chang
    Music Systems (previously known as Kurzweil Music Systems) asked me
    to put in this note.
       Basically, one of the principal engineers at Young Chang just
    gave notice which means there will probably be an opening at Young 
    Chang.  My friend there thinks that there will be an ad for the
    position in this Sunday's paper.  The only information I have on
    the job is that they would be looking for someone quite experienced
    and knowledgable in electronics and music.
       Young Chang, by the way, is located in Waltham, MA but in a
    different place in Waltham from when they were Kurzweil.

	I hope this is the right place for this.

	An announcement:  Commusic's own MIDILIB librarian

	Dan MIDI::GOSSELIN (formerly and maybe still also MIDI::DAN) and 
	his wife Jill (also at ZKO) had a baby girl come to their home via
	the hospital :-) on Monday, Aug 19.

	Here is his announcement:

-------------------------------------------------------------------

 
Yaaaay!  Dan and Jill would like to announce the birth
of Adrienne Elise Gosselin.  She was born right smack in
the middle of the hurricane yesterday (August 19) at 4:53 p.m.
 
Adrienne weighed in at 6 pounds, 14 ounces, and 19 1/2 inches
long!!
 
The baby is in good health, but did manage to take in some of
the birthing fluid as she was born.  So for right now, the doctors
are taking extra special care of her to make sure everything is okay.
 
Dan and Jill should be home from the hospital within 2-3 days.
They are staying at Nashua Memorial Hospital.
 
Barb Mathers (acting in place of weary, but excited parents!) 
 
 
% ====== Internet headers and postmarks (see DECWRL::GATEWAY.DOC) ======
Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA09416; Fri, 23 Aug 91 11:35:34 -0700
Received: from yvax.byu.edu by yvax.byu.edu (PMDF #12281) id
 <[email protected]>; Fri, 23 Aug 1991 12:35 MDT
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1991 12:35 MDT
From: Another town one more show! <[email protected]>
Subject: FWD: a new baby girl !!  :-)
To: nutela::chad
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
X-Vms-To: in%"[email protected]"

    Advance notice...Ensoniq clinic at Union Music in Worcester, MA
    tentatively scheduled for Wednesday, November 13th.  They're not taking
    reservations yet.
    
    							Brian

    
    
    Hey guys remember me !
    
    Haven't had time to get into the conference for about 6 months (new job
    new responsibilities etc..)
    
    CAn anyone tell me what happened to May14::atarist. It seems to have
    moved or gone !
    
    
    					Thanks .
    
    						PK.

    It's now at OLDTMR::ATARIST
    
    Tony

    Come hear the debut performance by...

                                C i t a d e l

                         appearing Thursday 3 October
                           at Ralph's in Worcester
    
    We will be playing a 45 minute set.  We do songs by Kansas, Yes, Rush
    and others of that ilk.
    
    Citadel is:
        Dave Blickstein - keyboards, guitar
        William J. (Buck) Buckley - guitar
        Daryl Gleason - bass
        Lance Levine - vocals
        Rob Rothberg - drums

    Following Citadel's set, there will be performances by Mystery City and
    Mystic Powers, both DEC-populated metal bands.

    Hope to see you there!  If you'd like to be kept informed of our future
    musical activities, please send me a reply and I'll keep your name on
    our distribution list.


                          Directions to Ralph's
    
    From Route 290 Eastbound:
    
    Take Exit 17 (Route 9) off the highway.  Turn left at the top of the
    ramp on to Belmont Street.  You will cross over Route 290.  Go down
    the hill, staying to the right.  The police station will appear on your
    left.  The road will bear right and lead straight.  Bear right.
    
    Lincoln Street will be three lanes for a little bit, then two lanes
    will bear left and one will bear right.  Take the rightmost of the two
    left lanes.  Go through the traffic light, and then move over to the
    right.  At the next traffic light, turn right onto Grove Street.
    Follow Grove Street.  Ralph's driveway will be on your right after you
    go up Grove a ways.
    
    From Route 290 Westbound:
    
    Take Exit 18 (Route 9).  Turn right at the bottom of the ramp.  Cross
    a bridge.  When the road forks, bear right.  This will take you to
    the intersection with Grove Street.  Proceed from the right turn on to
    Grove Street.

    
    If you're going to be in New York tomorrow...
    
                                   3rd
                                  Grammy
                             Recording Forum
              October 5, 1991 - Equitable Center Auditorium
                 7th Avenue & 52nd Street, New York City
    
                               9:30 to Noon
                               The Grammy's
                    Live and Broadcast Audio Workshop
           A behind the scenes look at live and broadcast audio
      from the leaders in the industry; the entire Grammy audio team
                                including
           Murray Allen, Ken DeLoria, Randy Ezzrati, Ed Greene
            Kooster McAllister, Hank Neuberger & Andy Strauber
    
                               1:00 to 4:00
                               Master Class
                  Modern Recording/Production Techniques
                       Roger Nichols, Hugh Padgham
                       Phil Ramone & Bruce Swedien
    
                        Sponsored by: MIX Magazine
    Admission: Audio Workshop $10 - Master Class $10 - Both Sessions $15
    
                      For More Information, Contact:
           National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences, Inc.
         303 N. Glenoaks Blvd., Ste. 140, Burbank, CA 91502-1178
                              (213) 849-1313
    
    

    
    Want to learn how to make a professional-sounding demo in your home
    studio?  With an ENSONIQ keyboard you'll get all the tools you need to
    produce top-quality music-inspiring sounds, flexible performance
    features, and creative sequencing tools, in one easy-to-use instrument.
    
    At the following seminars we'll show you how our instruments will help
    you to produce demos that sound like top-flight studio productions - at
    a fraction of the cost!  We just might change the way you make your
    music.  By making it easier!  Don't miss out - call your dealer today!
    
    Featured Products:
    
    o	SD-1 Music Production Synthesizer  o SQ-1 PLUS Personal Music Studio
    o	SQ-R PLUS Synthesizer Sound Module o SQ-2 76-key Personal Music Studio
    o	EPS-16 PLUS Digital Sampling Workstation w/Effects
    o	New Products???
    
    Seminar location nearest you:
    
    10/9	Skips's				Modesto, CA
    10/15	Goodman Music			Sherman Oaks, CA
    10/16	New World Audio			San Diego, CA
    10/17	Goodman Music			Anaheim, CA
    10/23	Leo's Prof. Audio Inc.		Oakland, CA
    10/29	Guitar Showcase			San Jose, CA
    11/06	American Music Company		Fresno, CA
    11/13	Gelb Music			Redwood City, CA
    
    Most seminars begin promptly at 7:00 P.M.  Call the store nearest you
    for details.
    
    Free!  "Choosing a Synth vs. Sampler Guide."  Bring this card with you
    to get your free card.
    

Disclaimer: I've got no relationship with these guys, but this sounds both legit
and useful. (Though I'm not ready for it, myself- yet.)

The entire pamphlet is a bit much to capture here. but here are the bullets:

	* Learn how to attract a record deal!
	* Raise $10,000 or more for your projects!
	* Publish & place your own song catalog!
	* Get your share of airplay and publicity!
	* Purchase equipment at wholesale prices!
	* Produce your video for under $200!
	* Stop the "it costs us to play" syndrome!
	* Get top name management to call you!
	* 21 ways to locate professional musicians!
	* FREE A&R and T-100 Directories ($90 value)!
	* FREE PAN Membership ($225 value)!
	* How to release, promote, distribute and SELL your CD or cassette!

	* And much, much more... Next Page!!!

Yeah, I usually have a knee-jerk response to head for the wastebasket when I
see that many exclamation points. However, the remainder of the pamphlet
contains a lot of material which gives the program credibility enough to pass
the hype off as part of the territory. (The seminars are co-sponsored by
Musician magazine, BTW.) It sounds like a cram course in how the "biz" works,
which (as often observed in this conference) can have a lot more to do with
reaching your personal goals than your music itself.

A large part of the space is devoted to testimonial letters, with some decent
qualifications on the part of the authors. Phone numbers are included with each
letter, too- nice touch. The free A&R and T-100 directories and PAN Membership
contribute a lot to the package's overall value no matter *what* the seminar
turns out to be, reducing the "risk factor" substantially, IMHO.

The cost, BTW, is $195 for the full seminar (two days); they also have various
other "packages" consisting of directories, tapes, whatever, for various prices.
The seminar locations (at least in *my* brochure) are New York, Philadelphia,
Baltimore, Washington (DC), Boston, Hartford, Providence, and Chicago.

The toll-free number to register is 1-800-448-3621. I'm sure they'd send you an
info pamphlet such as I received, though.

If anyone attends one of these (or has *already* attended), comments would be
appreciated- it looks like something I'll eventually want to sign up for.

Bob

    Interesting, alpha-omega relationship between the last two postings. 
    Both are seminars backed by big names in the music biz.  As I read John
    Stewart's ENSONIQ posting, about all the great DEMOS you can make with
    their gear, I was thinking, "screw 'demos' - I want to SELL the music I
    make".  That's a strange position for an SGU manufacturer to take - as
    if they're loath to even IMPLY that you could actually DO IT
    professionally with their stuff.. am I picking nits ?  The attitude
    seems to be that making good-sounding demos is the best any of you can
    aspire to.   Maybe their motto, in our marketing terms is ",YET"
    
    And Bob Ashforth's posting, about the 'Doing Music and Nothing Else'
    seminar is a refreshing flip-side to the hold-back attitude from
    ENSONIQ.  It purports to present solid guidance on really, really doing
    it.  Maybe their motto, in our marketing terms is "Just Do It"
    
    The ENSONIQ seminar depressed me, and the 'DMANE' seminar cheered me
    back up. - karl

    I think the powers that be are focusing on demos because lots of
    musicians gig and a good demo can help them get business.  In addition,
    there's the chance that a good demo can lead to a record company
    signing you up.  But, as for getting into "the biz" - the idea that a
    good demo will automagically get a record contract is a myth.  Was true
    decades ago.  Not true anymore, but people are still infatuated with
    the myth.
    
    I think the current dogma is that your first album will open doors and
    *might* break even.  It's the albums that follow that will bring in any
    real income.  And, the fewer levels of folks between you and the market
    the better.  Minimum needed is a good manufacturer, a good marketer and
    good distributors.  This, of course, coming from one who is watching,
    learning and has yet to cough up the big bucks necessary for this to 
    happen ...
    
    Steve

    KM,
    
    I sorta think that's a bit over-reacting to the Ensoniq thing.
    
    I don't think that a seminar that explains how to get "top quality"
    productions out of Ensoniq gear is an implication that it's the
    best any of us can aspire to.
    
    That strikes me as a bold inference.
    
    If there's an implication I get out of it, it's that it's difficult to
    make recordings of comparable quality to what you could make in a
    "real" studio, but sorta implies that it's possible to come close with
    Ensoniq equipment - that doesn't strike me as an unreasonable
    statement.
    
    Although I never cease to be amazed by the talent in this conference,
    I would tell you in all candor that I don't think I've heard one
    COMMUSIC submission tape that I would have been fooled into thinking
    it was done in a fully equipt professional studio, assisted by trained
    recording professionals.
    
    Oddly enough, when I first started reading this conference, I might not
    have said that cause THEN I might not have been able to appreciate
    the difference.
    
    	db

    I also think it's a myth that getting the utmost recording quality into
    your demo is a "myth".
    
    I think record company scouts look mainly for other things and are
    neither fooled by a slick recording of uninteresting music, nor
    turned off by a less-than-slick recording of interesting music.
    
    But I don't claim to have any direct experience in this.

Not sure if this is the place to post this...
    
INSTANT NOW!  @  BUNRATTY's  in  ALLSTON  on  OCTOBER 16th.
    
Joe Minville and I have a band called INSTANT NOW!  We've been given a spot at
Bunratty's in Allston on Wednesday, October 16th.  We're the 2nd of 3 bands
that night and we go on at 10:30pm.  We were given this gig on short notice, so
if we can get a lot of people to come see us, it'll look real good and maybe
the club will have us back on a weekend (which would make us VERY happy).

The band is very dancable.  It's high energy music...something between CREAM,
the BEACH BOYS and the BEATLES.  We do mostly originals, but we do covers by
JIMI HENDRIX, RAMONES and GODFATHERS to name a few.

Please come see us if you can.  This is our first real club show and it would
help us out a lot to make a good showing.  Directions are below.  Hope to see
you there.

Bob

From just about anywhere:

Take the Mass Pike to the Allston/Brighton exit.

After tolls, stay left at split, heading towards Allston/Brighton.

2nd set of lights = Merit station (cheap gas for the ride home).
4th set of lights = Harvard Ave...turn left.

Next set of lights = Intersection of Brighton Ave.

Go through lights and look for Bunratty's on your left.  If you hit Comm Ave.,
you went too far.

    A few years ago I attended a multi-vendor big deal MIDI show in NYC,
    around this time of year I believe. Is anyone aware of such an event?
    I'm looking for a good excuse to head to the Big Apple.
    
    Thanks, Hoyt

     <<< Note 8.202 by PENUTS::HNELSON "Hoyt 275-3407 C/RDB/SQL/X/Motif" >>>
                            -< Seek NYC MIDI expo >-
    
    I attended the California thing earlier this year.. my head is so full
    that I can't retrieve the name of the event.. I know I posted a note on
    it in here, and did indeed include the upcoming NYC event. 
    
    What's the freakin' name ?  Comdex.. nope.. Usenix.. nope.  Can't get
    it.  
    
    karl

Looks like you missed it, buddy.
    
                <<< DNEAST::SYS$TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]COMMUSIC.NOTE;2 >>>
             -< * * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * * >-
================================================================================
Note 2557.7                    NAMM '91 report (?)                       7 of 13
KEYS::MOELLER "Support the troops,oppose the war"     8 lines  23-JAN-1991 12:57
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Back inside cover of the NAMM program directory:
    
    NAMM EXPO '91 Aug 1-4 Javits Convention Center New York City
    Trade only, Aug 1-3.  Consumer Day Aug. 4th. 
    
    And then another Winter NAMM Anaheim Jan 17-19, 1992 (!)
    
    NAMM contact (619)438-8001, Carlsbad CA. USA

    I called Sam Ash this morning, and they said that the EAS (?) was last
    week. My recall wasn't too far off. Bummer. Thanks for your mentions.
    
    - Hoyt

    >I called Sam Ash this morning, and they said that the EAS (?) 
    
    You meant AES? (91st AES Convention at the New York Hilton).
    
    Great show!  Here are the things that I found interesting.
    
    -  The growing market for digital recording and editing systems.
       Roland, Yamaha, Turtle Beach, Hybrid Systems, Digidesign,
       Otari and many others showed amazing products.
    
    - Opcode and Mark of the Unicorn showed Studio Vision and Digital
      Performer MAC-based sequencing programs with digital recording
      and editing capabilities.  I believe Cubase (on PC) had similar
      capabilities.  Looks like the Macintosh is ahead of the pack
      as far as music software goes....although the PC world is catching
      on fast.  WaveFrame showed a very impressive Audio/Video Production
      system with an IBM PC front end.
      Opcode announced and demonstrated a very impressive midi gadget for
      the Macintosh.  Studio 5 is a follow-on to Studio 3....a top-of-
      the-line 240 channel MIDI and SMPTE interface/processor/patchbay/
      synchronizer.  If had the money, I would upgrade from a Studio 3
      to Studio 5 right away.
    
    - Computer software dominated the show.....and most vendors were
      showing off new products with computer front ends in many cases.
    
    Very good show...overall.
    
    Kris...                                              

re. .206

>>WaveFrame showed a very impressive Audio/Video Production
>>      system with an IBM PC front end.

Can you give more details on WaveFrame...

Like what is it???

Does production mean editing, input, output etc...???

Was animation included???

etc...

John

re. .207

Hi,I heard about some details on AudioFrame.
(Yes,WaveFrame Corporation's AudioFrame)

It has DAR(Digital Audio Rack) and IBM PC(Front end,MS-WINDOWS base).
DAR includes 600MB Hard disk,Digital Signal Prosesser,8m/m MT,LAN I/F...
(DAR's 8 or 10U Rack mount module.)

AudioFrame is 'DeskTop Studio'.It's Feature are...

* 4ch Digital Harddisk Recorder.(Expandable to 32ch)
* Multitrack MIDI sequencer.(Integrated with HardDisk Recorder)
* 16ch Digital Mixer and Digital Reverb.(Expandable by board module)
* 2MB RAM 16Voice Sampler.(Expandable to 30MB,48 Voice)
* Converts among many different digital audio formats.
* integrated SMPTE synchronizer.(for External VTR sync use)

and so on.

Digital Mixer's Faders are 'Virtual Fader(?)'.These're on CRT,Movable
by Mouse Drag or J.L.Cooper's Remote Fader unit. 

Not included Animation,But AudioFrame is very useful for Moovie production.
I heard AudioFrame is made by Loucus(Spell right? He made 'STAR WARS' )
film Production's Engineers.

AudioFrame is pro studio use machine,like Fairlight CMI.(I don't here It's
price,but maybe cheeper then Fairligh CMI.)

						/Hidemi

    
    WaveFrame's audio production systems are built around a proprietary
    Digital Audio Bus to do RAM-based sampling, pitch shifting, digital
    mixing, equalization, disk recording and digital recording.
    
    The Lucas-based video product could be very useful for post-
    production work.  I did not see real animation but, that doesn't
    mean that it doesn't have one.  Many bells and whistles as far
    as I remember....allowing you to edit video and sync/lock to
    audio in a very clean fashion.  Oh...yes...you can add your
    own effects...if you want to call that animation.  
    Animation could be applied to both audio and video in this case.
    
    Here is WaveFrame's info:
    
    WaveFrame Corporation
    4730  Woodman Avenue. #405
    Sherman Oaks, CA 91423
    
    Phone 818-981-9235
    Fax  818-981-9239
    
    They have offices in Boulder, Copenhagen, Los Angeles
    and New York.
    
    Kris...              

            <<< DNEAST::SYS$TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]COMMUSIC.NOTE;2 >>>
             -< * * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * * >-
================================================================================
Note 2760.0          Kurzweil Music Systems Absolute Auction          No replies
SAINT::STCLAIR                                        6 lines  27-OCT-1991 22:19
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The auction will be held Nov 2 10am Sharp at Kurzweil Music Systems
#8F Gill St. Woburn MA 01801-1721. For details check Sunday Golbe 
auctions page 41. Auctioneer telephone number 617/893-5900.

Sorry I mis-spelled Globe I am working over a bad line from home.

    Whoa!  Whatzis?  Whatza "absolute auction"?
    
    Steve

    It's where you bid up the price on trendy vodka...
    
    Edd

    	Could someone post a list of what is to be auctioned and any
    conditions???  (ie. like cash only???).

  Short notice, but hear goes:

  Kurzweil K250's, K250 RMX, K1000, K1000SE, K1000 SE EXTENDED,
  Ensemble Grand, EG 20, MicroSequencer, AX 1200, Sound Blocks,
  Music Libraries, upgrades, kits, amps, speakers, ...

  Also listed were Macintoshes, HP printers, Office Furniture, and then a blurp
  about millions of chips, resistors, wire, etc, etc, "any kind of electonic 
  part imaginable, plus some never thought of before, if you want to build or 
  repair anything electronic you need to be here for this sale".

  They said they'll have a list of items available when you arrive.

  Directions I got:

  128 North (coming off Pike) Exit 36, left at end of ramp onto Washington St.
  Follow back over 128, at light take left onto New Boston Rd.  About 1 mile,
  around corner, next left onto Gill St.  They're at #8F Gill St.
  (617) 893-5900

  It actually "opens" at 8:30am, the auction starts promptly at 10:00am.
 
  

    
    Did anyone make the Auction and if you did have you any comments?
    
    

    re .216 - See extensive discussion in Kurzweil note.
    
    len.
    

    Is Manheim Steamroller coming to Boston this Christmas?
    
    -=Chong=-

    Nope!  Salt Lake City   Nov 29-Dec 1
           Denver           Dec 5 - 8
	   Minneapolis      Dec 11-15
	   Milwaukee        Dec 17-18
	   Omaha            Dec 26-31
	   
    I just saw them this past Sunday in Denver...they were wonderful as
    usual.  This was the first time I've seen them with an orchestra.  The
    orchestra stuff is usually recorded.  The music was great but it seemed
    like the videos were 'off sync'.  Who cares about the videos though, I was
    there for the music.

    My apologies to "Avraham", the new noter who posted a note on
    connecting a DX7 to a soon to be purchased 386 PC just minutes
    ago...  
    
    In the course of moving your note I not only lost the text, but also
    your NODE::NAME. Your first name was all that I remembered.
    
    Your question however, may very well be answered by looking at the
    topics pointed to by keywords "GETTING_STARTED", "DX7", "MPU*".
    
    My apologies.
    
    Edd Cote
    COMMUSIC Co-mod

    I think the node::name was JEREMY::AVRAHAM (?).

    After replying (.221) and hitting NEXT/UNSEEN, I was brought to 2836.0
     - it *is* JEREMY::AVRAHAM (the note is reposted)
    
    I feel like I'm in the twighlight zone
    
    
    do do do do do do do do....

Well the axe is falling. Commusic is the  number one hot file on the DNEAST 
cluster for 6 weeks in a row. This is during prime time 6am-6pm. Since we're
having a resource problem here with the cluster I've been asked to do the 
following, move Commusic.

There a a couple of alternatives:

1. Somebody else with a machine host the conference
2. Move it to a less utilized resource, ie: a microvax, probably a II with 
   RD54 disk drives.

We have the microvax, but are not sure which one it will be as of yet. Service 
will definately be slower if it moves to a microvax, you've been getting served
by a 6430, 6420 and a couple of 8800's. 

So what will it be?

dave

    How big is the conference?

    Speaking as a corporate doo-bee, I think we should take the response
    time hit and place it where it'll interfere the least with legitimate
    business...
    
    Edd

The conference is currently 110K blocks. A compress might save some space.

dave

    I sent mail to Dave (Bottom)  & Edd a few weeks back about it being
    time to archive.  We pretty much have a good keyword system in place
    that would allow easy retrieval of old material.
    
    We also need to convert the conference anyway to allow changes to key 1
    (meaning SET NOTE/NOTE= would now work).  I doubt that we'll see any
    significant performance increase by doing a CONVERT, since there isn't
    much internal fragmentation.  Unfortunately, a 110k block files likely
    has several extension headers ($ DUMP/HEAD/BLOCK=COUNT=0 and look at
    the retrieval ptrs list).
    
    I don't think I can do much about hosting the old conference, but I
    might be able to host the new one down here on DYPSS1.  Don't know what
    the network response would be like, though.  (I get crappy response to
    DNEAST, FWIW.)
    
+b

    I've created note 1000 as the official place for new-comers to ask
    "What synth/sampler/consumer keyboard/drum machine/sequencer/etc
    should I buy?"
    
    This should be a big benefit for those entering the world of MIDI to
    learn from those who went before them.
    
    I've tagged the note with keywords "GETTING_STARTED",
    "FIRST_TIME_BUYER", and "CONSUMER_KEYBOARDS", and changed the 
    conference announcement to point new-comers to the right place.
    
    While I'm not going to go thru the conference moving existing notes,
    any new entries that are a variation on this theme will be moved to
    note 1000. In all honesty, I probably WON'T notify the author of moved
    notes by mail.
    
    My thanks to all for your cooperation.
    
    Edd Cote
    COMMUSIC Co-mod 

    Has there been any forward motion on moving, compressing, archiving ?
    I'm concerned about my favorite Employee Interest Notesfile.
    
    An MVII with RD54..hmm.  
    
    SALSA is a 4000-300 with RF drives, one of which has over 900K free.
    But then we have a relatively slow 56KB line to the EASYnet.  And I'm
    no longer the system manager. 
    
    Too bad NOTES isn't Open.  There sure is a lot of RISC power and disk
    space in this office, including my desk..
    
    karl, UNIX* Partner, partner

I have one offer from Doug McPherson to host COMMUSIC in LKG. see below

Text of included mail message:


I've got a few workstations (VS3100/M38) that I administer with much disk space
that could be considered as candidate for COMMUSIC hosts, I suppose.   I would
need to install the notes server on one of them, but they should be in good
shape...

They're located in LKG2-2 (DECnet Area 4).   It's probably the busiest segent
in the extended LAN this side of ZK, but I've got the disks, if you've got the
patience...

/doug

P.S. yes, I do regular backups.


I'll go with whatever anyone else decides here.

dbii

    If nothing else works out, I can host it down here on a temporary
    basis, but ONLY on a temp basis.  Same thing applies here as in TUO -
    relatively slow link to network, I don't own the machine, etc.
    
    Regardless of what happens, it is my contention that it is time to
    archive this thing.  It's simply too unwieldy to find information,
    keywords notwithstanding - there ARE RMS caching limits, you know; and
    this thing is in serious need of some RMS optimization.
    
    Whatever works ... I'd like to retain moderatorship, regardless of what
    happens.
    
    Any other volunteers?
    
+b

I've been instructed to have Commusic moved "by the end of the week". I'm
pushing for more time but doubt that this person will listen.

I vote for archiving and starting fresh, but in any case it's time to make 
a decision.

dave

    Yes, let's archive.  I can kinda volunteer to start a shell conference
    down here (get intro notes and stuff in place) ... we really need to
    find a permanent home for both the archive and the new conference.
    
    Do we have someplace yet to put the new one?  I forget.
    
+b

re .233

>    Do we have someplace yet to put the new one?  I forget.

   I have a standing offer in (with HEDRON::DAVE) to host it on one of our
   Area 4 systems here in scenic LKG2.   They segmented our LAN over the
   weekend, so hopefully the 'local noise level' won't be too bad...
    
   /doug 
   (who would hate to see his favorite conf. go to the great magnetic void...)

Let's roll with the LKG location so we don't lose everything.

I'll see if archiving V1 on dneast is acceptable to current management if not 
that'l probably need a home too...

Timing should probably be over the weekend. I can write lock this conference
say Saturday, at that time we should have a pointer to the new node. Brad can 
you ship the skeleton to Doug??

Doug many thanks for your help in this situation.

dbii wishing he was better at "managing his boss"

    Grate.  I'll send you mail when I get the shell done.  Thanks for being
    willing to host us.  8-)  What's the new node name gonna be??
    
    HEDRON::Dave - we'll probably need to put a shell conference on DNEAST
    pointing to the new location.  I'll make one up.
    
+b (co-mod, and also MY fav conf)

    Rats - notes collision.
    
    I ass/u/med (incorrectly, perhaps) that Doug was also going to host the
    archived version of COMMUSIC.  My thoughts were:
    
       o  Brad builds new conference on DYPSS1
       o  Brad builds shell conference on DYPSS1
       o  Brad ships new to Doug sometime Friday
       o  Brad ships shell to Dave sometime Friday
       o  Dave ships old to Doug Friday
       o  Dave deletes/renames old
       o  Dave renames shell on DNEAST to COMMUSIC
       o  Doug renames old on LKG to COMMUSIC_V1
       o  Doug renames new on LKG machine to COMMUSIC
       o  Someone posts something in EASYNOTES (or whatever it's called)
    
    Do we keep our current moderator list?  Anyone wanna be removed (no,
    Edd - you CAN'T!  You're a lifetimer {mwah hahahahaha} ...)
    
    If (brain-dead) then call sys$forcex ...
    
+b

I can host both, if needed. There's 158 mBytes free on the disk I've set aside,
but I've got Sagans more on another disk that's not currently being backed
up...)

We can work the details via mail & agree to post the appropriate notices here. 
Copascetic?
My preference is to reveal the nodename at a later date...

/doug