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Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

769.0. "Auto registration questions" by OASS::STDBKR::Burden_d (Synchromesh gearboxes are for wimps) Tue Dec 07 1993 09:25

I couldn't find a related topic so here goes...

I recently bought an antique car and the seller sent me an old registration 
card for it from a previous owner in Ontario.  The questions I have are:

There is a VIN field (with a valid number), but there is also an RIN (NIC 
in French) field with another number entered there.  What does RIN/NIC 
stand for?

The Body Type is listed as 'TY'.  The car is a 1926 hearse/ambulance, but 
I'm just curious as to what TY might signify.

Also, if someone could validate a name and address in Woodstock, Ontario 
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks
Dave
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769.1CSC32::S_BROOKThere and back to see how far it isTue Dec 07 1993 11:3421
>There is a VIN field (with a valid number), but there is also an RIN (NIC 
>in French) field with another number entered there.  What does RIN/NIC 
>stand for?

RIN is basically the owner's ID which is usually his driver's license number.

I hope that you have the import documentation from both the EPA and the
DOT since this was a US import, becasue to register it, you need both.

The registration document serves as both Title (the concept of which we
don't have in Ontario) and registration.

You may have problems registering it yourself, because the person you bought
it from has not taken title ... this will freak out your typical DMV.

>The Body Type is listed as 'TY'.  The car is a 1926 hearse/ambulance, but 
>I'm just curious as to what TY might signify.

Got me !

Stuart
769.2Affidavit in OntarioPOLAR::ROBINSONPChrome Sweet ChromeTue Dec 07 1993 11:499
    
    The EPA restrictions likely do not apply due to the age of the
    car (1926).  An undocumented vehicle can be dealt with via
    "affidavit" which is a process performed for a fee at your
    local courthouse, (in Canada at least) and involves filing a
    couple of statements. It used to cost $10 or thereabouts, probably
    more now.
    
    Pat
769.3Auto-cars = no driver interventionPOLAR::RUSHTONտ�Tue Dec 07 1993 12:044
    There is no 'Auto Registration' for cars in Ontario, you have to do it
    manually.  ���
    
    Korff
769.4CSC32::S_BROOKThere and back to see how far it isTue Dec 07 1993 12:0412
    Having gone through the export of a car to the US, I believe
    the rules were, that even if the vehicle did not have to conform
    to EPA rules, it must have a waiver.
    
    This vehicle seems to be documented ... viz it has an Ontario Reg.
    but the person who imported it into the US does not appear to have
    taken title.  It makes me wonder if it was correctly imported.  If
    it wasn't, it will have to go back to Canada, and be correctly
    imported.  I doubt that taking it to your local US customs port
    will be sufficient (ie the Atlanta Airport).
    
    STUART
769.5already in the USOASS::STDBKR::Burden_dSynchromesh gearboxes are for wimpsTue Dec 07 1993 12:4416
Thanks for the replies, but before we get too deep into this rat hole, 
maybe I should have stated that the car is already in the US and the person 
I bought it from is in the US too.  The history is that (using first names 
only) I bought it from Walter in NY.  He bought it from Lou in Toronto and 
he bought it from Ron in Woodstock, ON.  The registration I have is from 
Ron.

As far as I can tell it has never been titled or registered in the US, but 
I don't need a title for the car anyway and the Bill Of Sale will be 
sufficient to register it.

I think I'll drop Ron a line and see how long he owned it.  There are 
indications that he was the original owner, which means I had better act 
fast!! :-)

Dave
769.6CSC32::S_BROOKThere and back to see how far it isTue Dec 07 1993 14:0118
    Bud Dave, rat-holes are fun ... they allow so much speculation!
    
    Lou in Toronto should have registered the car, unfit, in his own name.
    So your registration document should have shown Lou as the registrant.
    
    What Walter did ... hmmmm ?
    
    Presumably, the car wasn't running, so he must have trailered it into
    the USA.  If he did that, then the chances of not formally importing
    it are slim ...but, if it were me, I'd be asking Walter if he has
    a copy of the customs forms.  I can't imagine customs letting a car
    in without paperwork.  When we moved finally in October, customs did
    not give two hoots about the household stuff ... they just wanted to
    make sure I had the paperwork for the car sitting on a U-Haul trailer!
    
    When I DROVE across the border, nobody paid any attention to the car!!!
    
    Stuart
769.7the real serial numberOASS::BURDEN_Dand a dozen grey attorneysTue Jan 18 1994 22:1115
  I just got a reply from Ron in Woodstock and he sent me the serial number
  plate from the car!  It's a different number than on the registration but
  makes more sense.  The number on the registration dated the chassis from
  1918, but it has a 1926 engine and body.  The number on the plate dates
  the chassis from 1926 which is correct.
  
  Anyway, Ron says he didn't sell it to Lou, but to someone named Paul... 
  He did give me the name and address of the person he bought it from, a
  Bob in Goodrich(?), Ontario (N7A 3Y6 if someone can confirm the name of
  the town).  Time for another letter.
  
  Also, in case anyone is interested, the serial number is a US production
  number, not one made in the Walkerville, Ontario Studebaker plant.
  
  Dave
769.8Somewhere warmer than herePOLAR::ROBINSONPEVO InsideWed Jan 19 1994 09:344
    
    That would be Goderich, not Goodrich, methinks.
    
    
769.9W.A. BYRNES??OASS::BURDEN_Dand a dozen grey attorneysThu Jan 20 1994 19:5713
  One more item in case someone can help me.  In the car was a metal name
  plate that went on the passenger's door.  I bought a book about hearses
  and ambulances and it was common for the Funeral Home or ambulance
  company to put their name on the cars in such a manner.  The plate reads:
  
  W. A. BYRNES
  
  So far I have been able to track the car to southern Ontario (Woodstock
  and Goderich) so if anyone knows of a W.A. Byrnes funeral home in that
  area I'd love to get the address of them.
  
  Thanks
  Dave
769.10nopeKAOFS::B_VANVALKENBMon Jan 24 1994 09:5810
    Well there is no funeral home listed in either Goderich or
    Woodstock with the name Byrnes.
    
    In addition there are no telephone listings for any person named Byrnes
    in Goderich but there is a D.A. Byrnes in Woodstock.
    
    Brian V
    
    (Woodstock)
    
769.11OASS::STDBKR::Burden_dSynchromesh gearboxes are for wimpsMon Jan 24 1994 12:136
Thanks Brian.  I have also posted a request on the internet news group 
ont.general and one guy is mailing me some names and address from London.  
I will also drop another line to the previous owner in Woodstock and see if 
he knows anything more.

Dave