Conference kaosws::canada

    Aint it wonderfull we've got free trade between Canada and the US and
    soon we'll add Mexico but we're still trying to increase the 
    bondaries between trade within the provinces.
    
    Brian V
    
    8 )
    

    Gulp!  
    
    I live in Ontario and work in Quebec.  If this escallates.....I better
    get my passport updated.  
    
    
    

    >>Aint it wonderfull we've got free trade between Canada and the US and
    >>soon we'll add Mexico but we're still trying to increase the
    >>bondaries between trade within the provinces.
    
     Actually, this move by Ontario is a process attempting to reduce
    existing trade barriers. Funny how that works, isn't it ?
    
    
    							Derek.

    
    	RE; .1
    
    		I like this one!  Free trade to Mexico but not within
    Canada??  What are senarios that are most likely....list 10.
    
    thanx,
    
    KMP

    one newspaper article suggested that if Quebec did not back down in a
    reasonable amount of time, Ontario should lift the ban, and say it was
    a good try.
    
     What utter crap, but this is what passes for "commentary" these days.
    
    							Derek
    

    

    	There is a scare among large Insurance companies within Ontario
    that all the University educated elevator operators will not be able  to
    work within Ontario leaving a shortage if Quebec does not itself lift 
    the ban. ;^)
            
    	Jean, is that you tapping the keyboard?

    It's not only Ontarians that can't get jobs in Quebec construction,
    it's Quebecois too. The Quebec Gov't has a strong hold on who gets
    'carded' w/in the province. A lot of Quebecois are bitching that the 
    gov't ain't giving out more cards so the Ontarians have the SAME 
    problem (ie. no discrimination). Ontario on the othe side seem to 
    have lost control over the handling of construction workers.
    
    	If 5000 Quebecois are working in Ontario and only 500 Ont working
    in Quebec; maybe it's got something to do w/ supply and demand and
    that due to the recession, Ontario has FINALLY realized something.
    
    Andy

    Derek,
    
    If I wouldn't know otherwise, I would be convinced you have the 
    letters Q U E B C highlighted in red on your keyboard.
    
    This is a free speech conference so you can and should continue on with
    your comments.  Personally, I find it a bit amusing although annoying.
    
    Moderator:  Sorry for getting a bit off topic here.
    
    BTW, I agree with Ontario's stance on this topic.  Quebec gets what it
    deserves but you must admit Quebec had the right intentions, and that's
    to keep Quebec jobs although it backfired.  Last I heard, they had come
    to an agreement with New Brunswick.  I think what Ontario is doing is
    putting pressure on Quebec to accelerate the negociations.
    
    /Mario

    
    	 Please educate us from the States about the Province laws
    	of living in one Province but working in another. Here in
    	the States it is no problem to live in one State and work
    	in another. No work card needed, just some State income tax 
    	issues. Each State has their own income tax rate and they 
    	can differ. I assumed that the Provinces were similar to 
    	States in this respect. Are the work cards needed just for
    	construction workers or for any work at all. From the sound
    	of things it is not a good time to migrate to Quebec and hope
    	to find work. 
    
    	 Mike
    

    The problem is with the licensed trades ...
    
    Each province can restrict the issuing of licenses or honouring another
    province's issued license.
    
    For the non-licensed trades it is no particular problem.
    
    Constuction workers, plumbers, mechanics and so on are the licensed
    trades.
    
    Stuart

    Interesting article in today's Ottawa Citizen on the interprovincial 
    job wars.
    
    A Quebec highway construction worker objects to New Brunswick and
    Ontario trying to shut out Quebec workers.
    He says "This is one country, Canada. I know people are unhappy with
    Quebec laws, but I don't think they should be trying to make new
    frontiers."
    
    What's good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it ?  
    Bet he votes PQ and BQ too .....
    
    Terry

    Yeah ... I heard that last night on the news ... made me laugh ...
    What does he think this is ?  Who has made the fronteirs ???????
    

    FWIW;
    
    	A doctor in Ontario is allowed to practice in Quebec. 
    	A doctor in Quebec has to pass exams to practice in Ontario.
    
    	A dental hygienist in Ontario can practice in Quebec.
    	A dental hygienist in Quebec must pass exams to practice in Ontario.
    
    Try to look around before making your opinion. 
    
    Andy

    

    Yeah, but patients in Quebec are allowed to use Ontario Healthcare
    	AND DO!

    	Ontario patients are allowed to use Quebec Healthcare
    	AND DON'T

    

    Mike lives in Ontario. I'm glad to say I don't. ;*)
    
    Andy

    
    
    	So are we!

    And just who controls who practices where ? Not the government, but
    the province's College of Physicians and Surgeons.  Once you are
    recognized by the college, then you are issued a license.
    
    With the licensed trades (as opposed to the licensed professions ...
    viz Drs and Lawyers), the government has a direct say in the issuing
    of licenses to work.
    
    So make sure you compare apples with apples ...
    
    sb

Stuart,

You can't compare Quebec apples with Ontario apples.  Quebec apples taste
better...  Let's not deviate from the original topic.

/Mario

    Stuart,
    
    I think the situations (trades and medical practices) are the same
    thing.  In both cases, the province established how that area of the
    economy/industry would be regulated.  That being said, I personally do
    not believe what Andy is saying is exactly true - I recall having this
    discussion before with Andy and I think there's more to the licensing
    issue that he's telling...
    
    In any event (whether Andy's understanding is correct or not), he
    should appreciate the fact that anyone, from any part of Canada, can
    practice their profession in Ontario by passing an objective test. 
    This is not the case if you happen to be an Ontario carpenter that
    wants to work in Quebec.
    
    Regards,
    
    Garry 

    That's only because the construction industry in Qu�bec is regulated,
    you need a "carte de comp�tence" to work in construction and you expect
    and get guarantees when work is performed by professionals.  You can
    also get work done underground, but no guarantees.
    
    To get their cards workers must work a minimum number of hours (depends
    on the profession).
    
    All Ontario had to do is get their act together and impose the same
    regulatory body instead of declaring foreing workers illegal.
    
    Jean
    

-< At least there is a way to work in Ontario! >-
	So you're saying it goes both ways, right?

>>I recall having this discussion before with Andy and I think there's more 
>>to the licensing issue that he's telling...
		Do say. I guess we'll just have to make do w/ your memory.

>>In any event (whether Andy's understanding is correct or not), he
>>should appreciate the fact that anyone, from any part of Canada, can
>>practice their profession in Ontario by passing an objective test.
	OBJECTIVE????? My brother in law who's been practicing medicine
	for over 20 years would have to study and write numerous examS.
	A dental hygienist would have to bring a patient to Toronto, do
	a practical exam and then write examS. This incurs a cost of 
	$1500+. Going the other way (Ontario->Quebec); IT'S FREE.
	Too bad I don't have more examples for you guys w/ ONE-SIDE COINS.

Thanks Garry. ;*))

Andy

    >>That's only because the construction industry in Qu�bec is regulated,
    >>you need a "carte de comp�tence" to work in construction
    
     Makes the discrimination look batter when you call it something else,
    dosen't it. You would think after decades of "regulation" the numbers
    would even out to be equal. Since the Quebec government "regulates" the
    industry, it is no accident that Ontario workers are left out.
    
    Funny how regulation turns to segregation in Quebec.
    
    						Derek.

    >>industry, it is no accident that Ontario workers are left out.
    
    	Derek, both Quebecois or Ontarians are complaining not enough
    cards are being handed out. I've covered that before; were you just
    'trying another angle'?
    
    Andy

    >>'trying another angle'?
    
     The result is the same, no matter what you call the game.
    
    								Derek

    The following numbers are from Stats Can:
    
    Ontario profits from Quebec in interprovincial Goods and Services
    by $3.5 Billion. 
    	Hence, Ontario sells for $26.6 Billion of Goods and Services
    to Quebec while Quebec sells $22.1 Billion to Ontario.
    	The ARTICLE goes on w/ more details (breaking it up) but I won't
    bother you Anglais Rednecks w/ them. ;*)
    
    Andy

    ANDY,
    
     Do you want to return to the days when every other note was hidden ?
    If not (and I hope you don't) please keep the HYPE to a minimum. By
    that I mean: make your points, but leave the name calling out. If I
    were to reply to your abrasive note in kind, I bet I could get my note
    hidden.
    
     Also, good point about the transfer of money across the border, but in
    this day and age people work on symbols, not facts. If you need proof,
    look at the reality of what Canada does for the French culture, and
    compare that to what the seperatists say.
    
    							Derek.

And you two work in the same group?

Must be hell in there...

    
          
:-(And you two work in the same group?

:-(Must be hell in there...
    
   
    
     	Not really, they don't use the same protocol!

Read in the Ottawa Citizen this morning:

The city of Ottawa has joined the province in disallowing Quebec workers from working on 
city contracts.

Question is:  When will Bourassa and Tremblay wake up and do something?

/Mario

    
    
    	They've been asleep all this time?

    A while back, Quebec passed a bill (Bill 142 or 148?) that allowed
    contruction workers from Ontario to work in Quebec, Ontario dropped its
    ban and live was wonderful..
    
    But!!!
    
    Heard on the radio last night there's a rumour/speculation out of
    Quebec City that Parizeau is going to repeal this bill and ban Ontario
    workers!  Reaction in the Outauais (sp?) was not supportive of
    repealing the bill - Quebec workers fear an Ontario ban and say the
    move would backfire on the PQ.
    
    Look's like Parizeau is looking for a fight with Ontario/the rest of
    Canada.....

    
    
    	
    
    	Raezonettes VS Paribooboos. 4 on 4 series. Gottalovit!