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Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

386.0. "The Ottawa Senators" by POLAR::RICHARDSON (He who laughs best) Thu Dec 06 1990 15:53

    Ottawa Gets A Franchise!!!!
    
    I'm in shock!
    
    
    Glenn
    
    (I understand that a Grand Canal Beltway will be built around the new
    arena complex at a cost of 250 million dollars which will mean more
    cuts for the CBC)
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386.1POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestThu Dec 06 1990 15:543
    I wonder if this will mean another rash of senate appointments?
    
    
386.2POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestThu Dec 06 1990 15:568
    What will we call the team should we abolish the senate under new
    reforms?

    

    	The Ottawa Filibusters?
    
    Oh Gee, st
386.3TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freezeThu Dec 06 1990 16:425
    Yeah, and FLORIDA gets an NHL franchise, too ... rather than Hamilton.
    
    Go figure.
    
    Scooter
386.4Already 9 Stanley Cups for Ottawa SenatorsTROA02::SKLEINNulli SecundusThu Dec 06 1990 19:037
Well from a life long Toronto fan (and proud of it) congrats to Ottawa.

Wonder what division they will be in. Maybe we can have an all Canadian 
division with Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto and Winnipeg. Probably not,
though.

Susan
386.5Some Explaination Please ???GVA01::ATKINSONJust the facts kidFri Dec 07 1990 03:321
    
386.6Background for non-localsKAOA01::LAPLANTEFri Dec 07 1990 07:5614
    
    During the early part of the century and until 1933, Ottawa had a
    National Hockey League team known as the Senators.  They won six
    Stanley cups during their lifetime.
    
    When the NHL announced they were going to expand a group of local
    businessmen began a 'Return the Senators' campaign and succeeded in
    getting one of the franchises for the 92-93 season. They now have to
    build an arena and get a team.  
    
    It's been a very emotional time in the city while this has been going
    on. 
    
    Roger
386.7Drafting senatorsKAOA01::LAPLANTEFri Dec 07 1990 07:5816
    
    Now that the team has to be organized I have heard that they are
    considering drafting some of the real (term used loosely) senators
    because:
    
    They are great on defence.......nothing gets by them
    
    They can skate around any issue
    
    They are used to being in overtime
    
    They are used to spending a lot of time on the benches
    
    Any more reasons to draft them?
    
    Roger
386.9?OLDJON::WATSONSome like it notFri Dec 07 1990 08:1212
>    Any more reasons to draft them?
    
They wouldn't mistake a loon for a hockey puck?


They're proficient at sticking it to others?


They prefer Molson over Canadian Club?


The Canadian Reserves could use a few good men for SA?
386.10haPOLAR::LACAILLEYFM-350 the real Ultimate WarriorFri Dec 07 1990 08:1418
>       <<< Note 386.3 by TRCO01::FINNEY "Keep cool, but do not freeze" >>>
>
>    Yeah, and FLORIDA gets an NHL franchise, too ... rather than Hamilton.
>    
>    Go figure.
>    
>    Scooter


	I heard the reason they did not give Hamilton a franchise was
	that if they did, then Toronto would want one too. :-)

	...and other rumours are that Gretzky will be playing for
	the Senators...

	...Alma Gretzky, his Mom...just the player a civil servant
	town needs.	

386.11KAOFS::S_BROOKOriginality = Undetected PlagiarismFri Dec 07 1990 10:234
    Oh well, maybe we'll like the GST these Senators will give us ...
    
    
    A GOOD SKATING TEAM !
386.12Can I catch the Jays, Roughriders and Senators ?CHEST::ROWELLI&#039;m gonna be a Dad !!!! 8^)Fri Dec 07 1990 10:568
    I have always favored the Montreal Canadians, but now that a franchise
    has been awarded to my 'home town', I guess they will now get my 
    support (When my dad returns there soon).
    
    So look out for me when they make the Stanley Cup finals !!!
    (It'll probably take me that long to save  ;-)  )
    
    Wayne
386.13where is OntarioPOLAR::WILSONDVAXft Manufacturing - EngineeringSat Dec 08 1990 18:598
    well i heard the news yesterday morning in springfield, but the sports
    caster annouced the new franchises with a little twist ...
    
    "the NHL board of governors has annouced the addition of three new
     hockey teams to the league .... Ottawa, Ontario and Tampa"
    
    dave  ... who lives in almonte, where basketball and naismith started
    
386.14SIOG::EGRIMon Dec 10 1990 10:517
    It's about Bl++DY time Ottawa got a franchise. I don't know how 
    supportive the Washington people are but it never made sense to me that
    the US capitol got one before our own did.
    
    YEAH OTTAWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Ted.
386.15POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestMon Dec 10 1990 17:4010
    Ted,
    
    	Are you happy about it even though the Grand Canal Beltway will
    mean more cutbacks for the CBC?
    
    	I'm glad for the Senators but I wish they'd postpone the 250
    million dollar Grand Canal Beltway which will be funded by closing down
    more CBC Stations.
    
    Glenn
386.16possible divisionsTROA02::GOBRIENGlenn O&#039;Brien @TRO 2/13Mon Dec 10 1990 17:4911
    Possible divisional alignment
    
    Adams:	Boston, Montreal, Buffalo, Hartford, Quebec, Ottawa
    Patrick:	NY Islanders, NY Rangers, New Jersey, Pittsburgh,
    		Philadelphia, Washington
    
    Norris:	Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, Minnesota, St.Louis, Tampa
    Smythe:	LA, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, San Jose
    		(already announced for next year)
    
    Glenn
386.17SIOG::EGRIThu Dec 13 1990 06:177
    Glenn,
    
    Getting an NHL team and the Beltway all in one go. What more could the
    nation's capital ask for? Do you think Pat will try out for the
    Senators? :-)
    
    Ted.
386.18GYPSC::FORSTRainer Forst @UFC DTN 773-3222Thu Dec 13 1990 11:0730
    How do you think the Canadiens will look at the Senateurs, and what
    about the Olympiques (i guess that is their name) from Hull?
    
    I could imagine that the Canadien's reaction is twofold:
    Looking forward towards a great rivalry (maybe like the one with the
    Nordiques), but also feeling a stronger competition for local talent
    and fan support. I have the impression that there are many Canadiens
    supporters in Kanata. How will they react?
    
    Can the Olympiques survive (like Laval, Verdun and Longueuil (sp?) do
    in the Montr�al area)?
    
    Personally, i'm glad to see that Ottawa got one (as i would have been
    for Hamilton). 
    
    One thing scares me a bit, though, about this whole expansion thing,
    and that is the inevitable 'thinning effect' in terms of available
    talent. The NHL will 'suck' more and more on the european talent pool.
    For not too few of those young guys that is no good. Not to speak about
    the 'leftovers' over here. The CSFR hockey league is bought out already
    to a great extend.
    
    In that sense i favour places like Ottawa or Hamilton or Milwaukee
    to get one, since those are regions who supply talent as well, not
    only consume them, like LA, Tampa and similar environments do.
    
    Let alone, of course, my personal preference for Canada (and Qu�bec in
    particular - so i'm p*ssed, Q. did not get another one).
    
    R.
386.191 out of 24 chanceTROA02::GOBRIENGlenn O&#039;Brien @TRO 2/13Thu Dec 13 1990 11:309
    Rainer,
    
    I'm not sure what you know of the NHL drafting procedure, but an Ottawa
    team would have no greater claim on 'local' talent than Los Angeles
    does.  Of course, you like to get local heroes, but it's not like the
    days of old when Montreal automatically got first chance at the
    abundant talent in the province of Quebec.
    
    Glenn
386.20GYPSC::FORSTRainer Forst @UFC DTN 773-3222Thu Dec 13 1990 12:0016
    -1: You are right, although, if i look at the canadiens team of today,
        the laws of drafting-mathematics seem to be somewhat violated.
    
        I have read and heared - and i find it logical and natural - that
        they draft qu�becois players over others, IF they have the choice
        between compareable talent. The Nordiques are said to have this
        tendency, too (again, consequently in my view). So, there is a
        (secondary) 'local' aspect to the draft system, augmented by the
        'natural' tendency of some players to stay at home/come back home.
    
    	Now, since Ottawa is on the very border-line and has a big 'back-
        yard' in Qu�bec, the above might become true in this case as well.
        
    	That is what i meant by competition for 'local' talent.
    
    R.
386.21Local StarsTALLIS::DARCYThu Dec 13 1990 17:039
    Glenn, yet look at the top 3 scorers for Montreal..
    	Stephan Lebeau
    	Denis Savard
    	Stephane Richer
    
    I think all 3 are from PQ...  I like when teams draft local
    talent.  It adds a lot more rivalry to the games.
    
    -george
386.22GYPSC::FORSTRainer Forst @UFC DTN 773-3222Fri Dec 14 1990 03:421
    I think half (or more) of the team is
386.23TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freezeFri Dec 14 1990 08:521
    and the other half (or less) is
386.24clear from the contextGYPSC::FORSTRainer Forst @UFC DTN 773-3222Sat Dec 15 1990 11:551
    ... half of more of the players are now from P.Q.
386.25Can any one get me a cap ?CHEST::ROWELLI&#039;m gonna be a Dad !!!! 8^)Tue Feb 12 1991 11:1410
    
      I was speaking with my Dad last night, and he was 'boasting' that
    he had (probably) the only Ottawa Senators Cap in Europe.
    
      Now, Would any kind soul out there like to trade me an Ottawa
    Senators Cap for something equivalent from here (A Liverpool scarf ??)
    
      Then he won't be able to say that anymore.  ;^)
    
    Wayne
386.26I'll see what I can find....COGITO::HILLTue Feb 12 1991 13:1410
    Wayne,
    
    I'll check and see if I can find any Ottawa Senators memorabilia. Since
    the team won't be playing for another year, I don't know what I'll be
    able to find here in the Boston area. 
    
    I like the idea of a trade for comparable Brittish/European soccer
    stuff. I'll let you know what I can find.
    
    Tom
386.27KAOFS::S_BROOKAsk Not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for ME!Wed Feb 13 1991 11:375
    Actually the Senators are in the middle of a big hullabaloo regarding
    their memorabilia ... Lots and lots of licensing problems, so a lot
    seems to have disappeared fromthe store shelves.
    
    Stuart
386.28It's a fair trade...KAOM25::RUSHTONDid you hug a Brussel sprout today?Wed Feb 13 1991 17:577
      <<Now, Would any kind soul out there like to trade me an Ottawa
      <<Senators Cap for something equivalent from here (A Liverpool scarf ??)
    
      How's about an All-Ireland Hurling jersey from the Cork team for
      TWO Ottawa Senators' caps??

      Pat
386.29Can we haggle on this ?CRATE::ROWELLI&#039;m gonna be a Dad !!!! 8^)Fri Feb 15 1991 08:468
    
    Ah, no. For the All-Ireland Hurling jersey, I would want Ben Johnson's
    track vest from his come back race.  ;-)
    
    I would accept, however, just ONE cap, as long as it was worn by the 
    Ottawa Senators All-Time leading goal scorer.
    
    Wayne.
386.30Ottawa in trouble...VAOU02::BOTMANPieter Botman - Vancouver SWSMon Jun 24 1991 12:4111
    Well, well...
    
    One of today's top sports stories today was the "investigation" of the
    finances of the new Ottawa and Tampa Bay franchises.  This to be done
    by an owners committee of the NHL.  Seems the Ottawa boys went into
    debt just for the franchise payment, and have not built their new
    arena.  Hope all you Senator fans have invested in paraphernalia,
    because you can sell them as curiosity pieces, once the franchise is
    pronounced DEAD!!!
    
    Pieter
386.31"You can't beat 'em on the ice, if you can't beat 'em in the boardroom"FSCORE::PATTERSONPotato chips and C�tes du Rh�neFri Sep 22 1995 08:398
    I heard on the news this morning that Brian Berard (sp?) will NEVER
    play for the Senators -- same as we heard from Yashin.
    
    Why don't these guys want to play for the Senators?
    	- Is it the team name?
    	- Is it the team logo?
    	- Is the ugly arena they'll have to play in?
    	- Is the Senators management?
386.32And Sexton is a fool too!KAOFS::LOCKYERFri Sep 22 1995 13:305
    I'm not sure your question is serious but I'll answer it anyway -
    
    Ottawa is too small!  The players can't make enough money for public
    appearance, endorsements, etc.  Ottawa shouldn't have an NHL team and
    it probably won't in a few short years...
386.33not another Skydome!?!FSCORE::PATTERSONPotato chips and C�tes du Rh�neFri Sep 22 1995 13:5510
    ... but Daigle LOVES it here!
    
    
    If the Senators leave, who gets stuck with paying for that eyesore
    beside the 417...
    	- Kanata taxpayers?
    	- Ottawa-Carleton taxpayers?
    	- Ontario taxpayers?
    	- all of the above?
    	- Rod & friends?
386.34I'm taking my arena and I'm going home...OTOOA::MHOGANTue Sep 26 1995 13:505
    
    I'm pretty sure that the Senators own the Palladium, so if they
    leave, they will have to take their arena with them :)
    
    Mike