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Conference kaosws::canada

Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

341.0. "Canadian Forces going to Iraq?" by CLOSUS::HOE (Daddy, what is war?) Fri Aug 10 1990 18:46

The local news (Colorado Springs) reported that Canada is sending
800 troopers to Saudi Arabia? Three ships (didn't specify what
type).

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341.1POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestFri Aug 10 1990 19:049
    Yes!
    
    They are:
    
    The Nina 
    The Pinta
    The Santa Maria
    
    
341.2CBC World at SixRTL::HINXMANSufficient unto the dayFri Aug 10 1990 19:366
    Seriously though, two destroyers and a support ship are being sent.
    
    However, they are to have new equipment fitted before they leave,
    so they won't reach the Gulf until September.
    
    Tony
341.3KAOFS::S_BROOKIt's time for a summertime dreamSat Aug 11 1990 01:012
    Having sent the whole of the Canadian navy, who's going to keep the
    Americans out of the North West Passage ???
341.4Get your navel histry rite!KAOA12::SMELLIESun Aug 12 1990 18:307
    re: .1
    
    Silly, the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Claus are the Spanish navy.
    We're sending the Persephone, the Maid of the Mist and the Bluenose
    Also.
    
    Tom
341.5Watch out for the histrionics!COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSun Aug 12 1990 21:401
Well, that will give the Iraqis the Whirley-Twirlies!
341.6POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestMon Aug 13 1990 08:171
    John,  I didn't think you had it in you! ;-)
341.7SHIRE::FINEUC1Live where others go on Vacation!Mon Aug 13 1990 08:4510
re .4

Hey Tom,

I know about the Bluenose and the Maid of the Mist, but what the heck is
the Persephone?

HTCS,

rick ellis
341.8KAOFS::S_BROOKIt's time for a summertime dreamMon Aug 13 1990 11:137
    The Persephone is the name of a what might best be described as a
    fishing scow used in a Canadian TV series called "The Beachcombers"
    which after nearly 19 years has at last come to the end of its road.
    
    Persephone  ... pronounced Purr-Seff-uh-knee.
    
    Stuart
341.9OTOO01::PONDMon Aug 13 1990 13:457
    BTW, the three ships represent 40% of Canada's east coast navy,
    usually involved in running down drug traffickers.
    
    Sluggo
    
    P.S.  I don't know how the math works (like 40% of 7.5 ships is
    3), but this is what the Ottawa Citizen said.
341.10Who has seen the wind?TROA01::DLOTENSemper ubi sub ubi.Mon Aug 13 1990 14:427
    re .2
    
    The "OFFICIAL" line is new equipment refitting...
    
    The truth is that they're waiting for favourable winds!
    
    -doug
341.12How humiliating...FACVAX::FINUCANEI need a hockey fix NOW!!!!Tue Aug 14 1990 11:557
    
    
    Yeah, but at least the Canadian Navy doesn't blow itself up!!
    
    Unlike some other country south of you that shall remain nameless.
    
    Cath
341.14Canada's answer to the Stealth BomberTROA01::DLOTENSemper ubi sub ubi.Thu Aug 16 1990 10:5116
    In response to news that the U.S. is sending their "Stealth Bomber"
    to the Persian Gulf, Canada has announced that we will be bolstering
    our involvement with OUR leading edge in technology, the "Stealth
    Canoe".
    
    It not only provides protection from Radar and Sonar, but also the
    dreaded Beaver detection systems.  Rumour has it that is uses
    non-recyclable Snow Bags (see note 107.*), and comes equipped with
    eight (8) Mohawk warriors fresh from training at the secret Canadian
    Forces base at Oka.
    
    It's no wonder that Hussein is trying to stabilize his Eastern border
    by making peace with Iran, once he heard that the Canadian S-C was
    on its way (should reach the Gulf by mid-December, given calm seas).
    
    -doug (who_uses_the_S-C_in Algonquin_Park_to_avoid_Park_Rangers)
341.15At the Ready !CRATE::ROWELLSearching for an angel in whiteWed Oct 03 1990 06:4021
     I have just returned from a visit to my Father on the Canadian Forces
    Base somewhere in Europe. The squadron that Canada is sending to the 
    Gulf is currently based there, and some of my Dad's friends had just 
    gone over there to try to find a base from which to operate.
    
     The Jets that are going over were being put through their paces, and
    jeez, are they noisy ! We were playing Golf next to the base there, and 
    they were practicing touch and goes. My ear drums will never be the
    same again.
    
     The atmosphere on the base was definately more subdued than other
    years, and I had the feeling that everyone was hoping for some new
    peace initiative, but most people I spoke with was ready to do whatever
    was necessary. A lot of people seemed to be worried about losing
    Canada's 'Peace Keeper' Tag.
    
    Wayne.
    
    ( Squadron no, Jet types and base names/locations have been omitted
    for security reasons.  ;-) I noticed Sadam isn't on the DPL, so you
    never know.  ;-)   )
341.16COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Oct 03 1990 12:523
>base names/locations have been omitted for security reasons

OK, so we'll just assume it's Baden-Baden.
341.17TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freezeFri Oct 19 1990 00:408
    Actually, that's CFB Baden-Sollingen.  Baden-Baden is the spa town about
    20 klicks east. The squadron is 409 (Nighthawk) though there will be a
    smattering of jocks from other squadrons (one fella I went to flight
    school with, and a former instructor of mine from 439 (Tiger) and
    441 (Silver Fox) Squadrons are among those now in the Gulf).
    
Scooter (ex-439)
    
341.18Golf in the Gulf ?CHEST::ROWELLSearching for an angel in whiteFri Oct 19 1990 06:4718
�   Scooter (ex-439)
    
    Scooter, do you know Baden-Sollingen ? Or Lahr ? Being ex 439, perhaps
    you served a posting there ?
    
    In the local Canadian Newpaper there, 'Der Kanadier', they claimed that
    it was mainly the 439 (F118 s ?) going there.
    
    A friend of my Fathers was supposed to go back to Canada to take part
    in an inter service Golf tournament, and then have a weeks holiday in
    Spain (Maybe I should join up !   8^)  ), but it was all cancelled,
    because he was supposed to fly out to the Gulf to check over possible
    locations. Well, he kept getting held up, because it hadn't been
    decided exactly where the Canucks were going, and in the end, they sent
    someone else. I think he was happy about it, ;-)  ;-)  ;-)  ;-).
    
    Regards,
    Wayne.
341.19Back in the days of the 'clunk'...KAOM25::RUSHTONUnscathed by inspired lunacyFri Oct 19 1990 13:2412
Scooter!  What a small world.  I remember Baden when it was called '4 Wing'.
My father was stationed in Metz, France ( 1 Air Div. HQ) and I would play
football against the high school teams from 1 Wing (Marville, France), 2 Wing
(Grostenquin, France), 3 Wing (Zweibr�cken, Germany) and 4 Wing.  Of course,
those were the days of the Sabre and CF100!

Did you ever know a Captain John Shaw?  He flew with the Snowbirds but was
killed in a CF104 on a familiarization flight near Baden.  We went to high
school together in Metz, and ROS at RCAF Stn. Centralia (he a pilot, me for
radio-navigation).

Pat
341.20TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freezeSat Oct 20 1990 00:5032
    >those were the days of the Sabre and CF100!
    
    Ah yes, the Air Div Daze ! (open another can of Sabres)
    
    You know, we still called Baden "4 Wing" in a nostalgic sorta way even
    back in the late 70's early 80's.  Now of course there's only the 1st
    Canadian Air Group (no loger a Division) with 3 squadrons with no
    "wings" (the organizational kind). 
    In my time it was 439, 441 & 429. And 444 but they'rw choppers and therefore
    don;t count.
    
    Zweibrucken is a USAF base now, and the only one with an Ice Hockey
    Arena. (All Canadian bases have hockey rinks in Europe - at one
    time they said that if you eliminated all the Canadian military
    built rinks, you would reduce the number of rinks in all of Europe by
    50% !!)
    
    Yeah I know Lahr & Baden-Sollingen well. used to live in a dachwonung
    in the sprawling metropolis of Hugelsheim outside the main gate at
    Baden and also in an apartment in the wandering village of
    Kippenheimweiler which used to be under (literally) the approach
    to runway 03 at CFB Lahr but got moved by NATO to a spot about 10 km
    south.
    
    
    yep yep the Gasthof Grunerbaum (my favorite place for Spargel (white
    asparagus) and, coincidentally, Adolph Hitler's at one time, too !...
    Ciccio's "Krankenhaus" Pizza with the blob of kethcup in the middle...
    Windsurfing in the Bagersees (quarry lakes)...Sailing on the Rhine
    River with the Rhine Valley Yacht Squadron (really !)...
    
    Scooter
341.213 More Canadian DestroyersTROA02::DLOTENSemper ubi sub ubi.Tue Oct 23 1990 13:239
    
    I hear that Canada is sending three more Destroyers to the Persian
    Gulf, whose primary goal is to destablize the Iraqian econonmy ...
    
    1. Brian Mulroney, Prime Minister
    2. Michael Wilson, Finance Minister
    3. John Crow, Bank of Canada
    
    -doug
341.22More newsPOLAR::LACAILLEYFM-350 the real Ultimate WarriorTue Oct 23 1990 15:3118
>           <<< Note 341.21 by TROA02::DLOTEN "Semper ubi sub ubi." >>>
>                        -< 3 More Canadian Destroyers >-

	Ah yes I heard, the:

		HMCS Loon

		HMCS Slippery When Wet  (usually pretty damp)

		HMCS You'll Eat Your Darts and You'll Like Them


	I hear it's scaring the hell out of the Iraqis. I don't
	blame them I guess, the've been scaring the hell out of
	me for years.

	Charlie

341.23exPOLAR::LACAILLEYFM-350 the real Ultimate WarriorTue Oct 23 1990 15:349
>	I hear it's scaring the hell out of the Iraqis. I don't
>	blame them I guess, the've been scaring the hell out of
>	me for years.
                             ^
                             |
                             |
             Mulreagan et al is what I am implying here ;-)
	     not the Iraqis
	
341.24most importantly...CDROM::DUPREZWed Oct 24 1990 16:484
    
    When is the "Stealth Canoe" arriving???
    
    					Roland
341.25Show's you how good it is.POLAR::BAYNErelax folks, enjoy the showWed Oct 24 1990 16:565
    re: -1
    
    It's been there for a week!
    
    dog
341.26POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestWed Oct 24 1990 18:318
    Nobody's seen it yet so they claim that the Stealth canoe is a great
    success!

    It would be neat to see some of the sailors gunnel bobbing, it would 
    look like they were jumping up and down in the middle of the air, in
    the middle of the gulf!!!
    
    cat
341.27Fo'c's'leCOVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Oct 25 1990 12:088
re gunnel

That's spelled "gunwale".  (Yeah, I'll bet somebody can find a dictionary
			    accepting the "gunnel" spelling, but it's wrong!)

Other related fun words are "forecastle", "boatswain", and "coxswain".

/john
341.28it can't be wrong if you can't see it!CDROM::DUPREZThu Oct 25 1990 14:129
    RE: .27
    
    Doesn't matter.  If they're part of the Stealth Canoe, we may
    not even see the words in the dictionary, except with extremely
    advanced radar...
    
    						Roland
    
341.29COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Oct 25 1990 17:023
re .28

Of course.  Silly me!
341.30Keep on roe-ing...KAOM25::RUSHTONUnscathed by inspired lunacyThu Oct 25 1990 17:038
'Gunnel' has nothing to do with a part of the Stealth Canoe.  These guys
were engaged in a well known Canadian Navy activity, fish-squashing.

The particular fish that they happened to choose in the Gulf was the gunnel,
a small eel-shaped sea-fish.  By jumping up and down on the fish, the Navy
hopes to relieve pent-up tensions and provide the evening meal.

Pat
341.31POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestThu Oct 25 1990 17:161
    Nobody can actually see this though....