Conference kaosws::canada

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    If it's the Quebec region, I don't see why you WOULDN'T
    have a fleur' as part of the emblem.
    
    Maybe if it was for OUTSIDE of Quebec as well, that would
    be a different story.
    
    JP

    The 'club de hockey habitant' or whatever it is would be
    better than the fleur....
    
    ljo

    I can't believe it. What else but the fleur de lis could it possibly
    be? Unbelievable.
    
    I assume that those rejecting it are Francophobes - from Toronto,
    perhaps?
    

    Francophobes???
    
    
    get real.

  Seems emminently reasonable to have Quebec's flag in the context of
    representing the office within Canada.
    
    Scooter

    Assuming that such pins combining local emblems and the DEC logo are
    normal throughout the corporation, then I can see no objection to
    combining the fleur de lis and the DEC logo.
    
    Stuart 

    
    I agree with the fleur de lis being the appropriate symbol on a DEC
    logo for PQ.
    
    But maybe the concern is in what the fleur de lis has come to
    represent.....you know ... the FXXX Canada attitude. 
    
    How 'bout the Bonne Homme de Neige?? Now THERE'S a happy fellow who
    shouldn't raise the hair on anyones neck....and he IS recognized
    nationally....
    
    cathy

>Bonne Homme de Neige

You wonder what the French are upset about.  You grew up in Qu�bec, yet
you didn't even learn that "Homme" is masculine.

/john

    First of all, both icons representing Montr�al's hockey team and Le
    Bonhomme Carnaval ARE copyrighted symbols.  Furthermore Les Habitants
    represent Montr�al and Le Bonhomme represents Qu�bec CITY.   All I was
    asking was if anyone would be offended at seeing both of those symbols
    together and I guess I did find one.  Tell me what you think of it
    anyway Cathy because I took the liberty of sending you a copy BEFORE
    you pun in your comments (foresight???)
    
    Jean
    

    .9
    
    well GEEEZZ...EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZE me.
    
    I can see why French Quebec wants to separate from the rest of the
    country...because English speaking Quebeckers make MISTAKES trying to
    speak the OTHER LANGUAGE.
    
    AT LEAST I TRIED.
    
    get a grip would you?
    
    Do you always get upset over such trivial things?  I'm GLAD that I have
    more CLASS than to NIT PIK the CRAP out of EVERYTHING YOU SAY...
    
    
    I KNOW HOMME is masculine. I MESSED UP,.
    
    
    
     SUE ME.
    
    
    cathy.   (I can't even believe that you went out of your way to point
    that out...........you crack me up.....if that REALLY BOTHERS you...
    THEN LEAVE THE DAMNED COUNTRY.)
                                    

    Jean, I didn't say I would be offended in the least. 
    I think it would very appropriate and I think it's 'panty waist'
    for 'them' to turn it down....
    
    I simply pointed out what 'they' might be using for their basis of what
    might 'piss off the rest of the country'.
    
    (I'm not a total JERK you know.....hard to believe)
    
    NOW IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WHO *IS* A TOTAL JERK.......................
    
    :-)

    
    
    ok....now that I've had time to calm down a little, I would like to
    apoligize to everyone for my rude response to .9. A tooth for a tooth
    is not always correct.
    
    So I decided to go with the sarcastic approach instead.
    
    (/John, please feel free to point out any typos/gammatical errors I
    might make in the following. I do so enjoy your constructive input.)
    
    >You wonder why the French are upset
    
    You are of course correct. I know that I myself go completely off the
    deep end when some French guy or some Oreintal person tries to speak
    English and makes a mistake. Man does that ever P me off.
    I think that we should bring back the death penalty. 
    I say, if you can't do it perfectly, then don't even try. 
    In fact, I have often SLAPPED my kids when they make an effort to do
    something and mess it up. I HATE when that happens. 
    
    Please forgive me. I can assure you that since I can't do it PEFECTLY,
    I will NEVER attempt to use a French word in public again.
    
    *****end sarcasm (for the most part)
    
    /John. What I "WROTE" has nothing to do with what I LEARNED. I resent
    your implications.  It has been at LEAST 18 years since I've had to
    string together more than 30 words in FRENCH, let alone have to think
    of gender and spelling and all else tht goes with the WRITTEN word as
    opposed to the SPOKEN word.
    
    I HAD been attempting to teach my children French, even though they are
    both Americans and will probably never get the opportunity to use that
    language. I taught it to them because I WANTED TO. 
    But I guess I'd better quit that too since I'M Probably teaching them
    everything WRONG.
    
    >You wonder what the French are upset about
    
    Yeah I guess I do. But mostly, I wonder what YOUR problem is.
    
    -moderator--feel free to delete this note--but at least having got it
    off my chest, I can sleep tonight :-)
    
    cathy 

Sorry, Cathy, I was not trying to say that you were totally incompetent
with French; I'm certainly not competent myself after five years of high
school French, but I've never lived in a French speaking country.  I always
say that I speak French just well enough to get the French to want to speak
English with me.  (I am, however, as fluent in German as Jean is in English.)

And I'm not even personally convinced that it is reasonable for the
French speaking people in Qu�bec to feel that the local anglophone
population has no respect for the francophone culture when they make
mistakes with simple things like the pronunciation of "Les Halles" or
the gender of a word.  But they _do_ feel that way; Jean has said so
himself.

However, your small mistake was a great example.  The word was "man",
which is rather obviously masculine, not something like "cheese", which
isn't quite so obvious.  And the adjective was "bon/bonne", one of the
simpler and most common adjectives in the language.  "Bon" is not even
pronounced the same as "bonne."  I didn't even pick on you for the fact
that "le bonhomme" is a single word.

Under other circumstances it might have been rude to point out the error.
But the principal topics of discussion at this time in this conference are
the French language issue, the way anglophones approach the French language,
and the way the French feel about it.

/john

I am glad cathy got her heat out (it's been in the high 90
degrees here in the Colorado Rockies this past week).

Back to the topic at hand, the Digital logo is tightly controlled
by corporate. Perhaps, Jean, you might check with them what is
appropriate. Surely if the Digital logo was separate, then having
the fleur de lis along side might be ok.

Calvin

BTW, this old VT100 doesn't know how (I) don't know how to create
the accent characters that John Covert uses.

    This is multi-national VT220 or later Cal ...  Compose key required
    and all that ... 
    
    Does it make it very unreadable ?
    
    Stuart

Time to trade in the old VT100 for a VT200 or VT300 series.

cal

    At lest Digital was smart enough to enable all their new terminals to
    be multi-lingual, you can even get a "french Canadian" keyboard (that's
    what I use).  It is a VERY good reason to upgrade you old VT100 to a
    VT3xx (oh, if you get a VT320, get the multinational one NOT the
    {cheap} US version, because you can't change the keymaps to french or
    italian...).
    
    Jean

< Note 327.18 by MQOFS::DESROSIERS "Lets procrastinate....tomorrow" >
>>>>get the multinational one NOT the
    {cheap} US version, because you can't change the keymaps to french or
    italian...).
    
    Jean

I have a VAXstation 2000 and a VT220 terminal; with a cheap
american keyboard but it has the alternate key set for all the
DEC world language compliance.

cal

    
    Re. 327.13
    
    >>....rude response .9. A tooth for a tooth is not always correct..>>
    
    Wrong !
    
               If a tooth falls out it should be replaced with another
    tooth - 
    
     Imagine replacing a tooth with a nail.
    
    
    Re. logo
               
            I stopped by Jean's office and was given one of the sheets.
            The design looks so good that I would have thought that it
            was designed by a professional graphic design firm. 
            It's blue and gold colored - mostly blue with gold on the edges.
            
            Offensive (like everything else) must be relative.
             
    Re. 327.4
    
    >> I assume that those rejecting it are Francophobes from Toronto..
    
    
    Meaning - the best Francophobes are from Toronto, Ontario ?
    
    Just asking. ( I thought the best were from Newfoundland & Manitoba)
    
    
    FaZari.                    

    According to the Company Identity Manual, page 1.2:
    
    "The Digital logo is the only logo used to identify our company.
    
    INDIVIDUAL GROUP, DEPARTMENT OR FACILITY LOGOS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
    ...
    GROUP OR DEPARTMENT IDENTIFICATION MAY NOT TAKE THE FORM OF AN
    ADDITIONAL LOGO OR PICTOGRAPH"
    
    The December, 1988 edition lists Peter Phillips @CFO as the manager of
    the Corporate Identity Group.