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Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

316.0. " " by OTOO01::POND () Fri Jun 08 1990 19:18

    This subject got brought up in the fabled 'Whirly Twirly' topic and
    I believe it is appropriate to start up an entire note to discuss
    this topic.
    
    First of all, I'd like to put a few stakes in the ground about this:
    
    a)  that is important.
    b)  that there is extensive evidence to believe Canadians feel strongly
        about the issue.
    c)  millions, possibly billions, of dollars every year because of
        it.
    
    It's been said before but I'd like to bring it up again.  So, what
    do you folks think?  Do you agree with me on this when I tell you
    that maybe it is, and maybe sometimes it is not (although my
    personal experience indicates otherwise).
    
    Let me give you an example.  When I got to work the other day, it
    was.  And then later at lunch, well, as you can guess, again.
    
    So any and all comments are welcome, however, I would especially
    like to hear from Canadian noters, as this is in fact a subject
    that is near and dear to the hearts of all Canadians.
    
    Captain Tweezer. 
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316.1 COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSat Jun 09 1990 00:372
It's so important that non-Canadian CANADAians won't have anything more to
say about it
316.2let's put it on the tableTROA02::DZIALOWSKIMon Jun 11 1990 00:054
    I think non-Canadian noters should be invited to contribute. The
    level of passion raised by specifics of the Canadian context may
    lead us to the wrong conclusions. External opinions could shed a
    more objective light on an issue which touches to universal values.
316.3 POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestMon Jun 11 1990 09:5711
    

    Look! I'm doing whirly-twirlies!!!

    Aaaaah!

    I wish we hadn't started discussing THIS issue! I can't bear it!!!!!

    Please, less talk, more synthohol!
    
    Worf
316.4Likewise, I'm sure.SRFSUP::MCCARTHYValue indifferences?Mon Jun 11 1990 10:368
    I'm glad to see that this discussion has at last been opened up to
    non-Canadians and that these contributions are indeed being encouraged.
    I think that those outside of Canada can truly bring a perspective to
    this issue that might otherwise be sorely missed.
    
    I'd also strongly encourage ex-patriate Canadians, wherever they are,
    to pipe up with their 2� worth, in whatever the local currency might
    be. 
316.5< >MQOFS::DESROSIERSLets procrastinate....tomorrowMon Jun 11 1990 11:297
    I appeal to the moderator, altough I think he is one of the < > in this
    conference, and he could not do < > about < > this < >! or any < > that
    is of importance.   Now please < > this!  We already have so many other
    < > that it is getting to be < > to read all this < >!
    
    <    >
    
316.6pppphhhhhuuuuuuttttt!!!!KAOM25::RUSHTONUnscathed by inspired lunacyMon Jun 11 1990 11:5817
Not wishing to lower the level of this vacuous discussion, but I think
it is vastly important that all noters, no matter what their nationality,
be permitted to wiggle their uvulas, as it were.  Among some genders, this
very discussion has generated instant and violent vaginismus, not to
mention silicosis from the dust left by those rapidly exited this topic.

I, for one, have not the temerity to refer to the great simurg and inquire
if the aforementioned ploderator of this conference should, in fact, be made
a spatchcock, in the spatio-temporal concept.

Be it known, that all minions and shaved marmasettes have the save duties and
privileges to make this topic what it is today, and to continue to maintain
its present standards.  I call upon all citizens of this planet, and future
planets within the space-time continuum, to 'split the mainbrace' and 'shimmy
the mizen-mast'.

All Hail Korff Barbunk!!
316.7POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestMon Jun 11 1990 13:081
    I wish I had said that....
316.8KAOO01::BORDAOn the Horns of an EnemaMon Jun 11 1990 13:546
    
    What the hell did she just say?????????????????????????????????
    
    signed
    Kunfused in Kanada
    
316.9OTOO01::PONDMon Jun 11 1990 14:229
    RE:  .4
    
    I'm glad that this was brought up.  It touches on several points
    I had overlooked in my original argument about this entire situation,
    and I, for one, am glad that this has been brought out into the
    open.  So now that we are discussing exactly this issue, what are
    people's feelings about it?  And do you think there is a solution?
    
    Bob 'Synthohol from Karg' from Accountemps.
316.10KAOFS::S_BROOKHere today and here again tomorrowMon Jun 11 1990 14:564
    I think we all agree, that it can be state quite categorically, beyond
    any shadow of a doubt, without fear of compromise, absolutely,
    definitely, unequivocally, positively, undissentingly, without risk
    of contradiction.
316.11KAOM25::RUSHTONUnscathed by inspired lunacyMon Jun 11 1990 15:3310
True, however, and this is not to lapidate at the aforementioned
juxtaposition of circumferentially related collateral kecks, but
I defer to His Omnipotent Putredness, the Loden Clothed, Korff
Barbunk.

In his Abysmalness, many antipole deliberations from indigenous,
anthropomorphic antheridiums have been thrust to their logical
and ecstatic conclusions, need I dare expound!

Kummmurffable
316.12OTOU01::BUCKLANDand things were going so well...Mon Jun 11 1990 15:576
    re: .previous
    
    I thought the wording of the Meech Lake Accord was another topic
    entirely.
    
    
316.13Try this with a stovepipe down your windpipe!POLAR::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestMon Jun 11 1990 17:0728
Oh ya? Well:
    
	In order to placate to certain whims, I feel compelled to
   extrapolate what might be miscontsrued as a malapropism. The avoidance of
   inappropriate or innocuous condescending permutations would incite a
   conglomeration of contradiction which is the purpose underlying this
   perfunctory endeavor. To attain the realisation of anthropomorphic
   diatribes in the attempt of translucent levity would be to transpose
   oneself from the euphemisms of cultural proliferations. As a fiduciary of
   egocentric existentialism, I feel it my role to benignly recoil from
   nihilistic philosophical pragmatists in order to exonerate future
   heterogeneous mixtures of unabated thought.

   	The utopian clouded vision of authoritarian encumbrances would
   undoubtedly belay the inducement of polarised linguistic misconceptions.
   To consider that one might be misanthropic in actions could promulgate
   eclectic views of outstanding proportions. It is henceforth that I must
   interject parenthetical considerations which could be plausible
   explanations for what might ensue. To have reached such a dubious plateau 
   only to be left with postulant inquiries could lead some to engage in
   banter which could affect the outlook on a theory postulated by those who
   would entice postured recollection.


   In reciprocal whirly-twirlyness,


   Glenn
316.14KAOFS::S_BROOKHere today and here again tomorrowMon Jun 11 1990 18:0311
    OK, what's the big idea ...
    
    Apart from over abundance of high-faluting words, what you just said
    made sense as a current description of the state of the ark relative
    to the Meech Lake Accord.  We cannot have sensible discussion
    masquerading itself as drivel in an otherwise nonsensical discourse.
    
    This attempt to introduce a subject into an otherwise subject less
    note cannot be permitted to continue.
    
    
316.15 OTOO01::PONDMon Jun 11 1990 18:226
    RE:  - a couple.
    
    Glenn, I think you bring several excellent arguments to the table...
    however, don't you think you're 'stovepiping' just a little much?
    
    Jim Snapping-insect-bottom.
316.16KAOFS::S_BROOKHere today and here again tomorrowMon Jun 11 1990 19:032
    He comes with arguments in hand indeed, but an argument in the hand
    ain't worth nothin' when you're tryin' to blow your nose!
316.17On the other hand ...TROA02::DLOTENSemper ubi sub ubi.Mon Jun 11 1990 22:3377
       On the other hand, initiation of critical subsystem development 
       adds explicit performance limits to the evolution of specifications 
       over a given time period.
    
   
    
       The simple elegance of such buzzology can be elucidated with a mere
       extraction of the modest BUZZ phrase generator included ensuite.

       -doug

$! "A" definitions
$ a0 = "In particular, "
$ a1 = "On the other hand, "                                  
$ a2 = "However, "
$ a3 = "Similarily, "
$ a4 = "As a resultant implication, "
$ a5 = "In this regard, "
$ a6 = "Based on integral subsystem considerations, "
$ a7 = "For example, "
$ a8 = "Thus, "
$ a9 = "In respect to specific goals, "
$! "B" definitions
$ b0 = "a large portion of the interface coordination communication "
$ b1 = "a constant flow of effective information "
$ b2 = "the characterization of specific criteria "
$ b3 = "initiation of critical subsystem development "
$ b4 = "the fully integrated test program "
$ b5 = "the product configuration baseline "
$ b6 = "any associated supporting element "
$ b7 = "the incorporation of additional mission constraints "
$ b8 = "the independent functional principle "
$ b9 = "a primary interrelationship between system and/or subsystem technologies "
$! "C" definitions
$ c0 = "must utilize and be functionally interwoven with "
$ c1 = "maximizes the probability of project success and minimizes the cost and required for "
$ c2 = "adds explicit performance limits to "
$ c3 = "necessitates that urgent consideration be applied to "
$ c4 = "requires considerable systems analysis and trade off studies to arrive at "
$ c5 = "is further compounded, when taking into account "
$ c6 = "presents extremely interesting challenges to "
$ c7 = "recognizes the importance of other systems and the necessity for "
$ c8 = "effects a significant implementation of "
$ c9 = "adds overriding performance constraints to "
$! "D" definitions
$ d0 = "the sophisticated hardware."
$ d1 = "the anticipated fourth generation equipment."
$ d2 = "the subsystem compatibility testing."
$ d3 = "the structural design, based on system engineering concepts."
$ d4 = "the preliminary qualification limit."
$ d5 = "the evolution of specifications over a given time period."
$ d6 = "the philosophy of commonality and standardization."
$ d7 = "the greater tight-worthiness concept."
$ d8 = "any discrete configuration mode."
$ d9 = "the total system rationale."
$ if (p1.eqs."") then inquire/nopun p1 "Enter A phrase # : "
$ if (p2.eqs."") then inquire/nopun p2 "Enter B phrase # : "
$ if (p3.eqs."") then inquire/nopun p3 "Enter C phrase # : "
$ if (p4.eqs."") then inquire/nopun p4 "Enter D phrase # : "
$ open /write temp buzz.tmp
$ write temp a'p1'
$ write temp b'p2'
$ write temp c'p3'
$ write temp d'p4'
$ close temp
$ open /write temp buzz.edt
$ write temp "set nofnf"
$ write temp "set nosummary"
$ write temp "include buzz.tmp
$ write temp "fill whole"
$ write temp "exit"
$ close temp
$ edit /edt/command=buzz.edt buzz.new
$ type buzz.new
$ del buzz.tmp;*,buzz.edt;*,buzz.new;*
$ exit
316.18OTOO01::PONDFri Jun 15 1990 17:275
    I'm surprised by you Canadians' apathy towards this important
    subject!  If there can be 250 replies in the Sarnia topic, surely
    this topic deserves equal attention!
    
    Bob-from-underwear-temps
316.19INC +1KAOFS::M_RENAUDCanadian Remote Support GroupTue Jun 19 1990 19:094
    O.K., O.K., if you really want to shilly-shally, here's one just to
    make the shlimblik counter run!
    
    Michel. (Never to confuse with silly Sally :-))
316.20Much ado about <>KAORSC::T_ROSSJust tryna getta message to youuuuuFri Jun 29 1990 00:1834
    
Ladies & Gentlemen, Mesdames & Messieurs, Distinguished Noters; 


	It is with sad dismay that I note the triviality of the treatment you 
accord this most serious of issues.  

	Consider the basic fundementality of this concept to the Canadian 
Identity.  Vacuity (or emptiness, if one prefers) is a major (some would say 
*the* major) characteristic of Canada, a thread which runs throughout the 
history of our noble country.  The nation as we know it today was formed 
only after herculean effort bridged two population centres (Eastern Canada 
and a soggy little area known as Gastown) with a railway that crossed thousands
of miles of, well, emptiness!  Much empty rhetoric and many empty promises 
threats went into this great national work (as well as many empty jugs). 

	Emptiness continues today as a Canadian political tradition - witness
the unremitting efforts of Messrs. Mulroney and company to ensure that every 
promise (and every taxpayer's wallet) is an empty one.  The tradition is 
epitomised in the Senate - which is so completely void of not only validity 
and function, but attendance as well, that it's members have had to bribe
themselves to show up at all.  And, of course, there is the Meech Lake Discord,
a document that might have succeeded in bringing Quebec into a constitution 
that would have been emptied of relevance.  

	Yes, the issue so neatly summarized in the topic header above is 
truly pivotal to the Canadian Experience (an empty phrase, by the way). 
Considering the awesome effect it has had on us so far, we would do well to 
treat it with the respect it so richly deserves. 

	I have the honour (or at least the grace) to subscribe myself as 
your ob't svt.,

	Double-you Tee. 
316.21OTOO01::PONDFri Jun 29 1990 09:3736
I thought it seemed like an appropriate time to re-post the base note.
JIMPEE.


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    This subject got brought up in the fabled 'Whirly Twirly' topic and
    I believe it is appropriate to start up an entire note to discuss
    this topic.
    
    First of all, I'd like to put a few stakes in the ground about this:
    
    a)  that is important.
    b)  that there is extensive evidence to believe Canadians feel strongly
        about the issue.
    c)  millions, possibly billions, of dollars every year because of
        it.
    
    It's been said before but I'd like to bring it up again.  So, what
    do you folks think?  Do you agree with me on this when I tell you
    that maybe it is, and maybe sometimes it is not (although my
    personal experience indicates otherwise).
    
    Let me give you an example.  When I got to work the other day, it
    was.  And then later at lunch, well, as you can guess, again.
    
    So any and all comments are welcome, however, I would especially
    like to hear from Canadian noters, as this is in fact a subject
    that is near and dear to the hearts of all Canadians.
    
    Captain Tweezer.