Conference kaosws::canada

    Just in case anyone is confused, Jean is royally PO'd about the
    comments of one of the Liberal Leadership candidates.  John Nunziata
    stated that Quebec separtists are traitors and racists.  Last week
    he conceeded defeat with two months to go in the campaign.  Yet another
    genius from the Liberal Rat Pack.
    
    Liberal Leader.  Is this an oxymoron?
    
    Glenn

    One vote for Nunziata as 'twit of the year' from this corner.
    JP

    The difference between traitor and realist is who has won when the dust
    settles...

    At the risk of getting into a p***ing match with Jean et al.....
    I don't believe you are a traitor or a racist or a biggot. The words
    used are much too strong and undoubtedly have little basis in fact. 
    But.... to want to separate from the rest of Canada is a nothing less 
    than a slap in the face of other Canadians. Those of us that love Canada 
    find it hard to believe that you would want to seperate for any reason.
    
    I have never heard a good reason for Quebec or for that matter for
    Alberta to seperate.
    
    The Western Seperatists are no better, and much less of a political
    force.
    
    All seperatists should be taken out side and maimed!
    
    I agree Nunziata is an idiot!
    
    Regards,
    Ron
    
    P.S. This is not in any way meant to get you pissed off. I just don't
    like seperatism and would love to hear a good rational for it.
    I don't think there is one!

    re: .4
    
    Agree with R_RYAN. As much as I agree Nunziata's a bit of goofball,
    his comments are being grossly taken out of context. His use of
    the word traitor is equating it with separtism. The question we
    should be asking is fundamentally is a separtist a traitor? Many
    would say "OUI"

    re: .5 
    A traitor in mind, not in deed.?

    I don't think separatism would be an issue IF the provision for a
    distinct society in the meech lake accord was respected by the rest of
    Canada.  Now it seems that all other provinces want to take this
    opportunity to blackmail the central governement and members of
    distinct societies into giving them whatever THEY want, be it fishing
    rights for New Brunswick or electric coridors for Newfoundland.
    
    And when I go out of MY province and hear some of the comments, I
    really don't feel like I am welcomed as part of Canada!
    
    Jean
    

    I am told that the Canadian flag doesn't fly at the National Assembly
    in Quebec City - true? You can't have it both ways.
    
    ...laura

	The Canadian flag does not fly outside the new Customer Support
	Centre in Hull, Quebec.

    re: no Canadian flag at Hull facility
    
    I heard that when the facility opened there was a Canadian flag flying
    there.  But when one of our legal people went to visit the plant he
    pointed out that this was against Qu�bec law.  If there is only one
    flag pole then the flag of Qu�bec takes precedence over the flag of
    Canada.
    
    This gives me the impression that the Qu�becois see themselves as from
    Qu�bec first, Canada second.
    
    Not saying that english Canada is blameless, however this attitude
    doesn't help me believe that Qu�bec wants to be part of Canada.

    If that's true then it stinks. No Province or State (in my case) flag
    takes precedence over the Country's flag.
    
    Lloyd

    	I am afraid that there is little hope of Canada staying together.

    	I viewed Meech Lake as Canada's last chance of survival as a nation. 
    I fear that the large gap between the two visions of Canada cannot be
    bridged.

    	I believe this is the end of Canada as we know it. WE are ALL too
    stubborn to make it work. Canada won't be the first country in history
    to die. Chalk it up to change.

    Glenn

    re:-.1 etal
    Canada will not die as a result of Meech Lakes pass or failure and 
    any Province that puts its flag before the Canadian flag should be 
    taken outside and maimed ( or maybe south of the border and maimed
    which would lessen the environmental impact within Canada ). 
    I like Alberta, and B.C. and Ontario ( where I have lived ) and the 
    only time I like my Province better than any of the  others is during 
    the hockey season ( Go Oilers, Boo Habs ) but even then I like Team 
    Canada best of all!!!!!
    Regards,
    Ron 

>    OK, I admit it I am a traitor (NOT in the criminal sense mind you), I
>    am also a bigot and a racist.  
    
    It's bad enough being called a traitor, but the problem with Nunziata's
    remarks were the parallels he drew.  I have seen and heard his remarks
    several times and I don't believe he described the Qubecois as bigots
    and racists.  Whether he meant that or not I don't know but it is not
    what he said.
    
    I am not convinced that the politicians of Quebec with their hard-nosed 
    approach are speaking for the people of the province.  Certainly having
    taken that line,  Quebecois are falling in behind their political
    leaders ... why not ?  The people of Quebec may well feel that they
    have had a raw deal out of Confederation, and so have a lot of other
    provinces and peoples.  I don't believe the people of Quebec are
    traitors, but I do have to wonder about the politicians both Federal
    and all the provinces.
    
    What Mulroney tried to do was to resolve the anomoly of Quebec not being a 
    part of the Canadian Constitution in one fell swoop in basically a few 
    hours at Meech Lake to seek some glory as the Prime MInister who pulled
    the country together.  This was like wandering into a car lot just out
    of curiosity, not intending to buy a car, and after the salesman
    pounces on you, you suddenly find that you are driving out with a car
    you don't necessarily want.  In spite of the escape clauses to back out
    of the deal, you now find you cannot because the salesman intends to
    make life miserable for you if you do .....
    
    What turned into the Meech Lake Accord should have had MUCH more
    careful consideration before it became an agreed accord ... Now no
    one is willing to back down because they are afraid of losing face.
    
    The time has come for our leaders to stop worrying about their face,
    their prestige and so on ... Admit that Meech Lake was a rush job in
    need of improvement and get on and find a process to improve it.
    Then we'll implement it.  Never mind setting dead-lines ... I'm sure
    the country can survive a few more years without Quebec formally in
    the constitution until the job has been done right.  After all the
    country has survived in a very hodge-podge state for over a hundred
    years already.  Better for Quebec ... better for Canada.
    
    Stuart 
    
    

    Very well put Stuart.
    
    Some of these sentiments were voiced by Prof. Schwartz when the
    Meech Lake hearings went to Manitoba. He was the one that got
    questioned about this credentials by the Tory member. 
    
    Aside from the Quebec issue, Meech Lake does not address the Native
    Aborignial rights and completely ignores women. I feel any deal
    that ignores the Native people of this country is not worthy of
    implementation.

    I agree. Nicely put Stuart.
    I would add that Meech Lake sucks swamp water. It does not meet the
    needs of Canada in any way. It attempts to deal with Quebec issues and
    fails utterly while ignoring the *more important* issues of Native
    rights, women issues (as -.1 states) and what we do with the malcontents
    that put their Provinces rights before that of Canada.
    It is a politically motivated document that does nothing good for this 
    Country.
    Bullroony should be put through a vote of no confidence, have his
    peepee wacked, and then be taken outside and maimed.
    IMHO We do not need Meech Lake!!!!!
    
    Regards,
    
    Ron
    
    P.S. I love Newfoundland. I have not heard anything in a while from
    their quarter. Whats happening? 
    

re: .16 by Ron
    
�    P.S. I love Newfoundland. I have not heard anything in a while from
�    their quarter. Whats happening? 
           ^^^^^^^
    They lost it when they tried to phone Mulgroany to tell him what to do
    with Meech.

I believe Bob's two-cent's worth about Newfoundland's quarter may be
construed as passing the buck; in spite of Baloney's nickle and dime
story.  Franc-ly, the Prime Mover has been off the Mark with the
Creep Lake Discord but then he has always had a Yen for sticking it
to the electorate.  If we had the good Pence, we would exact a Pound
of flesh from his Shakel-ed hide.

Yours in impecunity,

Pat