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    Lesley-anne.
    	
If you stay in Squamish or other towns near Whistler and take a
bus in, the cost is not as great. There are also discount tickets
that can be had. I believe that they had an informational booth at the
Vancouver International Airport.

Then there's Mount Seymour or Grouse Mountain in Vancouver area.
Near the US border is Mount Baker.

Anyways, have a great time. I sure miss the olde home town; but
Colorado is home now.

Cal Hoe

    Please read my reply to note 244.4.
    It has all the stats on Whislter/Blackcomb. It might sound a bit
    pricey but it is worth EVERY penny. You must at least go for one day.
    The local mountains are good starters. Grouse mountains, Cyprus Bowl
    and Mt Seymour all offer about 1200 ft of vertical drop, 12 hours of
    day and night skiing for $24 and over 500cm of snow (we have record
    fresh  snow this season).
    The local hotel/motels have good winter discount at about $50/night.
    Rental gear starts at about $12.
    And Vancouver is of course absolutely beautifully in March, it's
    sun tan time up on the slopes.
    Vax-Mail me if you have any question.
    
    Ric ............Digital Vancouver

    I'm going to be in the Vancouver area for the weekend ( i.e the 3- 5
    March ) and was wondering about the night life there. 
    Where are the best pubs in town ?
    Are there many live music bars etc.
    Where would be the best area to stay in...any suggestions for a Hotel
    ?.
    Is there anything special happening this weekend ?.
    I'm not really into Skiing....I went once and spent 4 weeks in Hospital
    but I really like mountains....so are there any good walks worth doing.
    I like blues music and Rock. 
    I'll be staying in Seattle for a night and if anyone could give me 
    the same info for there it would be great.
    Oh yea...my definition of a" good  pub" is one with atmosphere and 
    good beer.....good live music would be the crowning virtue.
    
                                All the best
                                       Patrick

    
    Another question is how long of a drive is it from Seattle to Vancouver
    ?
    On the map it looks around 3 hours but sometimes that can mislead.
    Also are there any good shows in town at present ?. I like Opera
    but would also be interested in straight musicals ...Cats, Chess, 
    Le Miserables...
    
                                Bye
                                     Patrick

    The drive from Vancouver to Seattle takes 3 hours if you drive like a
    Canadian, and 2.5 hours if you drive like an American. ;-)
    
    The drive back depends more on how long the lineup is at Canada Customs
    than on how fast you drive.
    
    ...laura

    Thanks for your replies, they were very helpful.  Although it looks
    like someone has 'nicked' my original note!! (N.B.  'nicked' is
    slang for 'stolen' in S.E. London!)
    
    My friends and I are getting very excited about our trip - ooops,
    I'm showing my age now!
    
    Thanks again.
    
    
    Lesley-Anne.

    I've done all my driving in Germany, so Seattle -Vancouver sounds like
    it would take about 1� hours if I was to drive in German mode but 
    Canadian mode sounds better.
    I know I sort of nicked the note....but as I'm flying out on Friday
    I thought I'd need a nice fresh note to get some quick replies....but 
    I'm sure you're interested in good Pubs etc aswell ?. 
    
    Anyway, any replies to either topic would be much appreciated.
    
                                Regards 
                                     Patrick
    
    P.S. I'm flying SAS from " Wunderful Copenhagen" and I've been hearing
    very differing stories about them. Has anybody flown to Seattle with 
    them already ?.

    -< Driving and Nicking >-

	Pat (good name that),

		I wouldn't recommend flying with anyone let alone SAS
	(Swinging Arms Service).  It's extremely hazardous to flap your
	arms and attempt to hold hands at the same time.

		If you drive like most people do on the Autobahn and
	continue the same way in the Great White North and the US of A,
	you will be nicked, thrown in the nick and hear that familiar
	phrase "Roit!  Yer bloody nicked moy bew-ty!".  To which your
	travelling companions may try to poison you with an axe...






	Give you an arse-nick.



	Pat (another good name that)

    The speed limit on most highways in Canada is 90 klicks, and is 55 mph
    in the U.S. Freeways (motorways to you Brits) generally rate 100 or 110
    klicks in Canada, but still only 55 mph in the U.S. Interstate highways
    in rural areas may have a speed limit of 65 mph. You are supposed to
    both obey the speed limit and move with the traffic, but if traffic is
    moving faster than the speed limit (often!), it's more important to
    move with the traffic.
    
    ...laura

    Pat, your are a LOONEY! And so is your pet fish named Eric.
    
    Is he really an alibut?
    
    Glenn

    
    Glenn 
    I agree he's a looney...as long as you're talking about the other Pat (
    Great name that). 
    But does anybody out there know anything about Pubs in Vancouver ???.
    
    Laura
          "you Brits"!!! all Canadians I've met, so far, get really pissed
    off when Europeans think they're all from the US...the same applies for
    Irish people who get mistaken for British......but you've got a good
    excuse, accents are hard to detect over the Tube. 
    Oh yea the Irish for " Highways" is Nothing   ( we don't have them).
    I'll be good and drive at a nice sane pace.
    
    Now will someone start telling me something about Vancouver...I'm
    getting thirsty already and haven't got one name yet.
    
                                  Pat
                                        

    Pat-number-1,
    
    Yes, of course we would be interested in info on places to go for
    a beer and a jig-about (although after skiing I think we will be doing
    more swiggin' than jiggin' - yeuck, did I really say that?!),
    unfortunately it doesn't seem like anyone who reads this notesfile
    actually frequents such places.....??
    
    Pat-number-2,
    
    Where on earth did you hear the familiar (?) phrase 'Roit yer bloody
    nicket moy bew-ty'??!  Who-EVER said it must have been a cross between
    'Long John Silver' and 'Dixon of Dock Green'...(WHO??, I hear you say!)
    
    Oh, and I would have thought someone as 'flamboyant' (sp?) as yourself
    would have a more lively pet than a 'FISH'??
    
    Regards.
    
    
    
    Lesley-anne
    
    

    <<Where on earth did you hear the familiar (?) phrase 'Roit yer bloody
    <<nicket moy bew-ty'??!  

	Well, I do have a relation (I have many, but my wife reads these
	NOTES too, so let's whisper) who's a member of the Lancs. Constabulary,
	and an uncle who was on the CID in London, or maybe it was my
	grandfather from Staffordshire who was in Baden-Powell's Constabulary
	in South Africa.  But it does sound like a 'northern' accent, i.e.
	Staffs., Lancs., Yorkshire.
    
    <<Oh, and I would have thought someone as 'flamboyant' (sp?) as yourself
    <<would have a more lively pet than a 'FISH'??

	I don't, at least not anymore.  Our pet moose suffers from manic
	schizophrenia and one night, thinking he was Freddy the Mad Angler,
	he dove into our aquarium and viciously poked our pet piranha to 
	death with sharpened hockey sticks dipped in poisonous cockatoo caca.
	



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	But let's get back on the topic.  I didn't frequent any pubs
	whilst in Vancouver that I can recall.  Mind you I can't recall
	very much from that trip anyway, maybe it was the number of pubs
	I frequented.  However, go down to Gastown and you'll find a
	plethora of good pubs and restaurants, all within a few blocks
	of each other.    


	Pat (the other one with the fantastic name)

    I *did* ask, didn't I!!
    
    Gastown doesn't *sound* very glamourous/lively but on the other
    hand neither do:-
    
    Lower Dicker
    The Slaughters
    Pratts Bottom
    
    (Funnily enough, they are all very nices places too!)
    
    Thanks for the reply - although obviously its best not to encourage
    you as you seem to get *worse*!!
    
    I shall send a contribution by separate cover towards a scuba-diving
    course for your moose or perhaps the kindest thing would be to take
    his mask and flippers away and get him interested in something else??!
    
    Les.
    
    P.S.  You will all be relieve to find out I have *no* relations
    living in Canada.....

Ah yes, Gastown.  Be sure you find the steam-powered clock.

I ate in a Mongolian Barbecue there.  Very good and very cheap.

/john

    Oh Woe is me....to have planned what I have planned ...but to do what 
    I have to do. THE TRIP GOT CHANGED. Instead of a nice four days around
    Seattle and Vancouver ( which got changed to two days) I've now got
    one night in Portland....all together wipeee JM&J.
    
    I'm staying well away from the Moose ( who should be furious and wet)
    but one of the best pubs I know is the Roaring Donkey...which doesn't
    sound to hot but is a great place.
    I won't be needing places to stay afterall ...and I think Portland
    will take care of itself.
    On the name side of things Patrick ( What can I say) shortens pretty
    Ok to Pat ( aw aaw aaaw aaaaw !!!! ...Cigarette) but Lesley-ann which
    everybody ( around here) thinks is a real excellent name is given no
    justice in Les. So for the sake of the fish keep the full name, and
    stop moosing around.
    
                           Pat I ( oh no not again)

    Mr. Connolly, Patrick I,
    
    What can I say?  I feel dead embarrassed....to have reverted to
    my lazy ways.  All my All-In-1 messages are signed thus and I have
    made a conscious effort when using notes to put my full name instead.
    This therefore indicates that I was unconscious when typing the
    last note - a girl of some talent, huh??!
    
    Thanks for pointing it out (I don't think.)
    
    
    Lesley-anne.
    
    P.S.  Sorry to hear your trip was cancelled - MINE IS STILL WELL
    ON TARGET - Don't you just hate smug people?!

<<P.S.  Sorry to hear your trip was cancelled - MINE IS STILL WELL
<<ON TARGET - Don't you just hate smug people?!

I'll be taking a ski holiday around the same time but about 500 miles
further east, in Banff.  Now, for our American viewers, Banff is a town
in the Canadian Rockies near Calgary, Alberta...and no, Banff is NOT
the sound a moose makes when it farts.

It's a pity we couldn't meet for a run or two, but then again you may
consider it a blessing...what with all this silliness.

Don't be dismayed by the name, Gastown is well worth the trip.

Pat (Patrick Cornelius, actually)

    Patrick Cornelius ......and Lesley Anne....after nicking the note
    I'm going to leave it....never being a one to let a Trip to the 
    Americas go to waste I'm working on getting to Toronto in about
    three weeks...at the end of the trip. I think somebody has already
    "researched" the  night life there. I'd have loved to see Vancouver
    because we've a � Irish, � Scot, � American and � Canadian ( dangerous
    mix that !) who reckons it's the best place around.
    Worst off all I was flaunting the fact I was going to be there...your
    sons who live by the sword shall die by ..... Anyway have a ball and
    tell me if you find any good pubs etc.
    The first person to use a FULL name will get a rubber medal.
    I'm not going to ask anymore questions about the night life in
    Banff ( Sounds like Ban FF ..) 
    
                             Wanda Rudolf
                             Patrick Ciaran

    Me too.
    
    It is my last day and DEC today and we fly out on Monday (I'm being
    boring again...!)  Sensible Canadian-noters will be relieved, my
    boss is beginning to pine already and I have provided him with a
    map to the coffee machine and a whizz thru' of how to use his own
    terminal.  I will let you all know (because no-one *really* ever
    leaves here) if I meet any well-mannered mooses (i.e. that don't
    go BANFFFF) and if myself and the girls enjoy Vancouver.
    
    Thanks again for the serious info and for the un-serious
    (serious-less?) notes - I hope we meet up with like-minded broken
    biscuits like yourselves at some point in our trip....and they tell
    *me* I'm nuts???!!
    
    Cheers-big-ears..
    
    
    Lesley-anne.
    

    
    
     I have some questions about Vancouver and the surrounding area.
    
    What are Englishman River Falls and Little Qualicum Falls on Vancouver
    Island like? Also what are Brandywine Falls and Nairn Falls like? Are
    any of the falls any height?
    
     What is the area near Alexandra's Suspension bridge like? What is
    Hells Gate?
    
     What are the temperatures like in the middle of November?
    
    thanks
    
    Joe

	I know the Little Qualicum falls quite well as they are virtually
	in my parents back yard. (Their property backs onto the park)

	They are not all that high (there is a series of them running
	through a gorge) The tallest or main one might be 12 to 17 meters,
	however it is quite picturesque.

	I will be going out to the west coast next weekend so maybe I'll
	check out Englishman river falls for you as it is just down the road
	from little Qualicum.

	Charlie

    Brandywine Falls are on Highway 99 just south of Whistler (about 10km
    from Vancouver).  They are about 60m in height.
    
    Hells Gate is a narrow section of the Fraser River in the Fraser
    Canyon.  It was created due to some landslides that occurred when the
    railway lines were being built on either side of the canyon.  They are
    quite spectacular and the amazing thing is the salmon all have to go
    past this area during their spawning runs.  They have installed fish
    ladders to ease the process but the water rate through the narrows is
    still extremely high.
    
    Rgds,
    
    	Owen

    >       <<< Note 270.24 by CGOOA::OWONG "SKIWI in Canada (VAO)" >>>
    >
    >Brandywine Falls are on Highway 99 just south of Whistler (about 10km
    >from Vancouver).  They are about 60m in height.
    
    Shouldn't that be more like 100km from Vancouver ???  When I drove to
    Whistler, if that was only 10km, it was an awful long and tortuous 10
    km!!!!!
    
    Stuart

     Thanks for the info. Both falls sound like what I'm looking for.
  Do you know if any of the falls are close to a road or waht kinda of hike
    is there to them?
    
    
     RE 22 Are Little Qualicum and Englishman close together?
    
    What is the state of the fall foliage there now? Are all the leaves
    gone from the trees?
    
    
    
    

    We had our first dip in temperature to normal Oct temps on thanksgiving
    weekend.  So the first leaves have fallen already.  On my street I'd
    say an average of 1/2 of the leaves are down now.  
    
    Keep in mind that much of the coast is coniferous in cover.
    
    Pieter
    

	Little Qualicum and Englishman are only 10 - 15 minutes
	from each other. They are both along the Port Alberni
	highway, first Englishman, then Little Qualicum, then
	there is Cameron Lake (the source for Little Qualicum Falls)
	and right after that, Cathedral Grove. (A forest of huge
	red cedar) It is really a scenic highway.

	Little Qulicum can be walked to in 5 - 10 minutes. Englishman
	(shrug) I'll find out this weekend if I have the time...I'm
	flying out tonight.

	Charlie

    Re .25
    
    Maybe you 'Easterners' just drive too slowly....	:-)
    
    Actually my apologies for the typo.  It is actually 100km or so
    (60 miles).
    
    Re. 26
    
    Brandywine is only about 5 minutes flat walk to the viewpoint at the
    top of the falls.  Since you seem so interested in waterfalls, another
    one worth taking a look at is Shannon Falls about 50 km north of
    Vancouver.  These are visible (sort of) from the road and a quick 2-3
    minute walk through the forest takes you to the base.  Don't remember
    how high these are but your neck gets sore looking up.
    
    	Owen

    
    I just returned from a vacation that included 4 days in Chilliwack
    (family wedding) and 4 days on Vancouver Island (pure fun).
    
    On a previous trip I'd gone from Chilliwack <-> Kamloops and found the
    mountains views to be exhilirating.  However, this trip we fell in love
    with the Island.
    
    We took the ferry from Horseshoe Bay to Nanaimo and then travelled the
    Pacific Rim Highway to Tofino and Uculet (and I thought the Magnum 2000
    XL at Cedar Point took your breath away).  We stayed at the Pacific
    Sands Beach Resort just outside Tofino on Cox Bay.  Quiet walks on a
    deserted sandy beach...sun setting into the Pacific...pounding surf! 
    We visited the Eagle Aerie Gallery of Roy Vickers, noted native artist
    and just enjoyed the town.
    
    Then we returned to Nanaimo and made our way back toward Victoria, but
    stayed at the Point-no-Point Resort west of there on the Straits.  Woke
    up to watch a Grey Whale playing in the cove in front of our cabin! 
    Enjoyed the 'nouvelle cuisine' of Sooke Harbour House. 
    
    We managed to catch a couple of hours in Victoria before catching the
    ferry from Swartz Bay back to Vancouver...Parliament Buildings...The
    Empress Hotel...etc.
    
    Had a wonderful time and hope to come back to spend more time there!
    
    -doug

RE .27 
> Keep in mind that much of the coast is coniferous in cover.
 So is most of the s.e. USA, though I would suspect the trees there 
are larger.

RE .29
 Can you be a bit more specific about the location of Shannon Falls. I 
can't find it on any map.

 Also is there a problem with hunters if I go traipsing through the 
woods? It's hunting season here and it isn't a good idea to go into 
the woods without a lot of bright colored clothing. All though the 
state and national parks are supposed to be safe.

    Shannon falls is very near the town of Squamish, just a few km south.
    
    I believe hunting is not permitted in provincial parks, I imagine most of 
    the areas you want to visit are therefore safe.  You can call the parks 
    ministry upon your arrival, or ask the warden/caretaker on the scene
    (if you can find him/her).
    
    Pieter
    

    
     I'm leaving today and will be in Vancouver Friday, I'm going to be is
    Seattle and St. Helens for a few days. Thanks for all the help.
    
    Joe