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Conference kaosws::canada

Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

209.0. "Passports" by CADSE::WONG (Le Chinois Fou) Wed Jul 19 1989 23:01

    As I understand it (from the Canadian Consulate General in Boston),
    those Canadians who were naturalized as Americans after 1977 are
    considered still Canadian citizens in Canada's eyes.
    
    I would imagine that this would entitle those people to get a
    Canadian passport.  On the other hand, I also heard that American
    law places restrictions on Americans having foreign passports, i.e.,
    "you can't".  Does this apply only to the passports in possession
    upon naturalization, or does it include all new foreign passports
    after naturalization?
    
    B.
    
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209.1when in roman.......SALEM::MOLLOYThu Jul 20 1989 17:368
    I am a dual national under that provision Canada's law.  but i believe
    it is illegal to hold two passports of different nationalities at
    the same time in either country.  because i am a resident of the
    US i use an American passport when i travel, ie its easier to get
    and easier to get back in!
    
    regards.....john
    
209.2Canadians can hold more than one passportTRCA03::OBRIENGlenn O'Brien @TRC 18/6Fri Jul 21 1989 16:378
    If you want a US passport, use revoke all others.  If you have a
    US passort, and want a Canadian one, Canada doesn't care.  My roommate
    has both British and Canadian passports.  His mother was an American,
    but he can't get the US passport without revoking the other two.
    But I understand that because he is eligible for American citizenship,
    he can move to the U.S. without any problems.

    Glenn
209.3Canuck/YankCGOO01::LMILLERNow try it once more ......Tue Aug 01 1989 17:0922
    Not strictly true.  
    
    My husband is Canadian and British and does not have to give up
    either.  
    
    You are right, Canadians don't care if you are a dual passport holder.
    However, the US has changed their tune.
    
    I have a US passport, and am in the process of obtaining my Canadian
    citizenship.  To cut a long story short, there has been a Supreme
    Court (US) ruling that provided you INTEND to remain a US citizen
    and can prove it, i.e. you are supposed to write a letter to the
    local US Consul, saying that you intend still to pay taxes, you
    have real estate etc. in the US.  They will not revoke your
    citizenship, according to the Consulate out here, they have not refused
    anyone, who has applied BEFORE they become Canadian.  Once I get
    my court date, I must write this letter to the Consulate ASAP. 
    The only people refused so far are those who became Canadians and
    are now trying retroactively to gain back their US citizenship.
     
    
    
209.4But, for those born with both ...SRFSUP::MCCARTHYMore fun than kissing a badgerMon Aug 28 1989 22:4624
    Those who are dual nationals by birth can indeed hold two passports.
    They can vote in elections in both countries, too. 

    Before 1977, these types of things (generally taking advantage of
    your non-US nationality) were referred to as "expatriating acts" by
    the US Dept. of State and were grounds for revoking your U.S.
    citizenship. As a result of a US Supreme Court decision, however,
    the onus is now on the State Dept. to "prove intent". That is,
    State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the citizen's
    intention to renounce their US citizenship as a result of these
    acts.

    One way that they do this is to ask you to sign a statement which
    says, in effect, that "It was my intention by these acts to renounce
    my US citizenship."

    As I'm sure you can imagine, any other way is *very* difficult for
    State to prove. All you have to do is to climb up onto the witness
    stand and say "No, it was not my intent to renounce my citizenship."

    Larry
    (Who likes to torment Kings fans by wearing his Flames sweater at
    the Forum)