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Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

173.0. "How do you patch a leaky budget ?" by TRCO01::FINNEY (Keep cool, but do not freeze ...) Wed Apr 26 1989 23:20

    14 military bases to be closed ...
    
    Budget leaked ...
    
    Calls for resignation of one of the most honest men in Canadian
    politics, ever ...
    
    sigh ...
    
    Everything normal here in Canader, eh ?
    
    Scooter
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173.1TRCA01::BARTLETTegami\pukcab specialistThu Apr 27 1989 10:239
    Shouldn't this be called the Exxon/Valdez budget?
    
    Poorly managed, leaking profusely, causing extreme damage to those
    unable to protect themselves and the general public will have to
    pick up the pieces (and foot the bill)...
    
    Some sustinance for mental mastication,
    
    Jason...
173.2Wilson must stayTRCO01::OBRIENGlenn O'Brien @TRC 18/6Thu Apr 27 1989 11:1017
    I don't think Wilson will resign.  I remember back about five or
    six years ago when the then Liberal Finance Minister, Marc Lalonde,
    was flipping through the budget in front of a television camera.
    The picture clearly showed the print, allowing the network to extract
    virtually all the budget details.  Rather than present a budget
    that had been disclosed early, Lalonde arbitrarily added an extra
    $200 million to the budget to change the bottom line.  In this case,
    Wilson tried to do the right thing by recalling the House and
    presenting the budget immediately.  The Liberals, and especially
    the New Democrats, were quick to say no and call for his resignation.
    
    Once details of the budget were released, the government has an
    obligation to present in immediately.  I am disappointed that the
    opposition parties have decided that political gamesmanship is
    preferred to maintaining the integrity of the budget process.

    Glenn
173.3Hear hearMQOFS::DESROSIERSLets procrastinate....tomorrowThu Apr 27 1989 13:154
    At least they are doing something about the deficit!
    
    Jean
    
173.4TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freeze ...Thu Apr 27 1989 18:1311
    Ahh, Turner really reminded me of a petulant school boy who thinks
    he has one up on the teacher ...
    
    Yay, J.T. you tell 'em ! No fixing up problems for you , no sirree
    ! Blast 'em hard, and bedamned the Canadian Economy !
    
    And by the way J.T. what makes YOU think that YOU should be able
    to view the budget before me ? Huh ? You're really not that important,
    you're only a politician ...
                                                                    
    Scooter
173.5Can I have a cup of tea, sir?KAOM25::TOMKINSThis MIND left blank INTENTIONALLYThu Apr 27 1989 18:1813
     One of the terrible things about the budget is that it is a game
    of semantics.
     First, the idea that cutting the nuclear submarine program and
    daycare subsidies will save money is silly. How can you save money
    that you are not spending? When they say they will save 4 or 5 billion,
    well, if you take the above into account, it's only going to be
    1 to 1.5 billion.
     Second, next week, all the members of parliment will be patting
    themselves on the back for a job well done and some private members
    bill will be brought forward that proposes a raise for everyone
    and what do you think will happen? Well, we saved some money, now
    let's take a reward.
     Just remember, you saw it here.
173.6TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freeze ...Fri Apr 28 1989 00:1613
    another terrible thing is the closing of CFB Summerside. PEI will
    be devestated. I can accept (sort of) closing CFB Portage La Prairie,
    Home of No. 2 Flight Training School (Primary) for our pilots, that
    at least could be integrated into CFB Moosejaw.
    
    But PEI ! So very, very poorly thought out ...
    
    I, for one, wouldn't bitch too much about paying even MORE in taxes
    to support our military ... 
                      
    grumble
    
    Scooter
173.7cutsTRCA01::OBRIENGlenn O'Brien @TRC 18/6Fri Apr 28 1989 13:0015
    Acutally, the 'cuts' to submarines and day-care are cuts in the
    sense that these dollars had been previously budgeted.  Without
    the cuts, the deficit would have been 36 billion.  So the cancelation
    of programs not yet started is as much of a cut as if these programs
    had started.  But not starting to spend is easier that to stop current
    spending.

    Much of the unexpected increase is from rising interest rates, thus
    indicating a legitimate need to reduce the deficit. 
    
    Also, about the CFB in PEI; isn't Summerside the only Search and
    Rescue centre on the east coast?  Or is that maintained separately
    from the base?
    
    Glenn
173.8Scooter not complain! That's a first!TRCA03::GENDRONFree advice is worth every cent!Fri Apr 28 1989 15:008
    re .6
    
    Come on, Finney (aka. Scooter)!  You won't bitch about paying more
    taxes?  You'll bitch about ANYTHING!!!		;-)
    
    
    
    Dave_the_guy_who_sits_in_the_desk_next_to_you
173.9TRCO01::FINNEYKeep cool, but do not freeze ...Tue May 02 1989 12:5711
    re: .7
    
    the SAR duties currently running from Summerside could, in theory
    and practice, be moved to CFB Greenwood, CFB Shearwater ( both in
    N.S.) ... the coordination has always been out of CFB Halifax.
    
    re: .8
    
    get a grip Gendron, or I'll sell you ...
    
    Scooter