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118.1 | | TRCO01::FINNEY | Keep cool, but do not freeze... | Sat Sep 24 1988 18:08 | 4 |
| Ben has been regularly beating Lewis (except for one or two races)
since 1984. The American oress tends to ignore this.
Scooter
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118.2 | Super! | CACHE::LEIGH | | Mon Sep 26 1988 08:57 | 3 |
| Congrats to all you folks up north!
Allen
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118.3 | Debit where debit is due | VAXUUM::DEVRIES | Fixed in next version | Mon Sep 26 1988 13:54 | 11 |
| .0> Carl (Big Mouth) Lewis
I haven't read and memorized every word of "journalism" written
and spoken on the subject, but I've gotten the impression that Carl
Lewis has been pretty low key in his public pronouncements, few
and short as they've been. I think it's the American (Big Mouth)
press that's been acting like a jerk.
The king is dead (and probably was last year) -- long live the king.
Mark
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118.4 | When the gun go, the race be over. | KAOM25::RUSHTON | Inspired lunacy | Mon Sep 26 1988 16:07 | 15 |
| .3>>but I've gotten the impression that CarlLewis has been pretty low key in his
.3>>public pronouncements, few and short as they've been.
I was in the UK at the time that Carl Pukis spoke so 'low key' about his loss
to Ben Johnson, where Johnson set the world record at 9.83 seconds for the
100 metre. The Carl Putris interview was broadcast on the BBC, during which
the Great Carol said, "No one can run that fast...someone had to have taken
some substances...even a gold medal winner". Ben Johnson won the gold at that
meet, so I guess the only way Carl figured he could have been beaten was
through the miracle of chemicals.
It's unfortunate that this athlete (Lewis) has begun to believe the media
hype about himself - he is good, but someone is better.
Pat
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118.5 | They both stink. | KAOM25::TOMKINS | This MIND left blank INTENTIONALLY | Mon Sep 26 1988 16:27 | 27 |
| The biggest problem all good athletes have is with the media.
10 years ago, these two runners, Ben and Carl, were unknowns and
unknown to each other. Each tried their hardest to excell at what
they do and become better every time out. Unfortunately, at some
point in time the media discovered one the other or both of them,
and needed some good news to sell papers, comercial time etc. What
could be better than playing one individual off against the other.
We saw a similar run with the Canadian and American figure skaters
during the Calgary Winter Olympics.
Neither gentleman at this point wishes to draw back from his
exposure, and so must stick by their guns. I find both athletes
to be obnoxious, rude, poor ambassadors for either country and lacking
in the finer points of sportsmanship in general. Both of these guys
drive around in expensive cars, and live lavishly and neither has
probably put any effort into promoting their sport with youngsters
but instead have taken the view that they will milk us, the media
and all others for all they can for their own selfish means.
So what, he did it in 9.79 instead of 9.99, big deal,
2/100 ths of a second faster than the other guy. Maybe his shoelace
flashed past the electric eye before the other guys because his
shoelaces are longer. At the levels of speed that differentiate
all the athletes up at the top 10 pole positions, it's nothing to
them. 10th place is as good as gold, it just means you were 5/100
ths of a second slower than the gold medal winner. As far as all
us couch potatoes are concerned these people can run circles around
us and outswim our speedboats down at the marina. We are impressed
with speed yes, but we are more impressed with true sporting athletes.
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118.6 | St. Ben of Rexdale | KAOM25::RUSHTON | Inspired lunacy | Mon Sep 26 1988 18:31 | 35 |
| Re: .5 KAOM25::TOMKINS
Ah, yes! Great pearls of wisdom from the inimitable toothless wonder
who can beat both Ben and Carl in a 100 metre dash for the can when
his major dump is overdue.
Ben Johnson has had a speech impediment from birth and 'appears' sullen
only to prevent stuttering, unlike Carl's mental stutter.
Ben said he won the gold for his mother, and Canada. A rather unselfish
act.
Ben has been to a number of hospitals and in particular childrens hospitals
on goodwill tours to publicize the Canadian Olympic Team, sports, and
to boost morale. He knows from whence he came - when he first came to
Canada, he was ridiculed for his stutter and awkwardness, and was thought
to be 'slow' witted. I haven't seen vengeance in his manner, but I have
in Carl Lewis.
What I have seen of Ben, before and after the Olympics, has convinced me
that he is an inspiration for those of us who aspire to achieve against
physical and public adversity. Here's a guy who lost two races before
the Olympics, without making excuses (did you here that from Carl Lewis)
and went on to win the gold in record time without rancor, when most of
us thought he was going to blow it. Right???
Richard; I and Ben expect a written apology from you, forthwith. We also
want a note from your mother indicating that she has chastised you for
this unwarranted outburst. Now, go to your room!
Dashedly yours,
Pat_who_could_do_worse_to_Richard_if_he_provokes_me
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118.7 | Disappointed... | KAOA05::FRERE | Eric Frere @KAO DTN 621-2184 | Mon Sep 26 1988 23:07 | 33 |
| It has just been announced that Ben Johnson was stripped of his
gold medal and banned from the Seoul Olympics after failing the
required drug test (traces of steroids where found). Ben's coach
states that it's either an error or sabotage. I hope that this
is true but have doubts that it can be proven.
The biggest impact of this event is the shock and dismay felt by
most Canadians who were shot into such a gloriest moment with Ben
only to have a dream turn into a nightmare. It really isn't the
miniscule time differences that is the issue here (re .5) but the
sensation that we, as Canadians, can `go for gold'.
The image thatwe carry is one of `nice to be here but not expected to
do much'. We are the U.N peacekeepers, the ones to help people out of
hostile countries, the docile people. We hadn't won a medal yet until
Ben got his gold. I'm sure that he inspired others that they also can
do as well. Within hours, we picked up another 3 medals.
The only other time that I felt this disappointment in our attitude
is when I'm at the Museum of Aviation and stare at the nose piece
of the Avro Arrow, one of a few prototype fighter aircrafts built
in the 50's that would have propelled us as the supreme masters
of the sky (it was so advanced that it would still be a formidable
aircraft today). Instead, the prototypes were destroyed and sold
as scrapped metal, the plans destroyed and the frustrated scientists
went south to work for NASA. All this because of pressure on the
Prime Minister from the Eisenhower administration.
Sorry for deviating from the topic.
Eric_tired_of_being_a_nice_Canadian
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118.8 | Guilty unless proven ... | TRCA03::KEHOE | Ron Kehoe | Tue Sep 27 1988 13:34 | 11 |
| So, now that we all had a chance to get over the shock, what does
this matter mean to Big-Ben. The Canadian Amature T+F association
said that he is banned for life and that the Canadian gov't will
not sponsor anymore trips (etc..) I think that everybody is getting
out of hand!
Sure if he did knowingly take the drugs then he deserves all of
this and more...but Ben hasn't even had a chance to talk yet, let's
wait and see.
Ron
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118.9 | A SYMPATHIZER..... | TROA01::CUPID | | Tue Sep 27 1988 17:40 | 9 |
|
I couldn't understand all the uproar this unfortunate incident
has caused and it seems to me that people are a little selfish expecting
one lone human being to be 100% perfect when it just isn't possible.
I guess I am an outsider looking on because I am originally from
England and as yet we take sports seriously but not that seriously.
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118.10 | | TRCO01::FINNEY | Keep cool, but do not freeze... | Tue Sep 27 1988 18:37 | 15 |
| On TV this AM before heading to work, (and seeing Bay lincoln Mercury
go up in smoke), Ben's sister was being interviewed. During the
interview, the anchor asked her a question during which the suggestin
that the profile of the steroid trace indicated that there had been
'long term use' (how long? didn't say)... to which Ben's sister
replied that the Canadian Olympic committee or whoever tested them
BEFORE they went to Seoul, and Ben passed that test. She then posed
the question - do you think our testing methods are less accurate
or rigidly controlled than the IOC? this after several Canadian
experts who had been involved in testing described how stringent
the test criteria are.
Maybe grasping at straws, but seems worth looking into...
Scooter
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118.11 | I stand by my earlier note and this one. | KAOM25::TOMKINS | This MIND left blank INTENTIONALLY | Wed Sep 28 1988 10:17 | 24 |
| Some people are missing the point. Not all athletes were tested
prior to departure for Seoul and the Olympic games. Testing performed
in Canada was done on a random basis, that is to say that athletes
from various sports were chosen at random for testing. Some got
caught as their regime of use did not coincide with their test period
and others slipped through by virtue of not being tested while others
actually do not resort to drugs for enhancing their performance.
It is interesting to note that a largeer group of athletes has
been put under the microscope recently at the games and a further
7 or 8 athletes are going for the "B" test.
What is also interesting to note is that another group of athletes
have started to drop out of the various competitions or wait for
a later competition citing minor injuries or illness. Some are even
heading home.
No, Ben Johnson was not the only user of drugs that enhance
ones ability, there were many others.
The main point I am making here is that a large group of athletes
from various countries, including Canada did not, will not get the
GOLD, SILVER or BRONZE medals, simply because they do not partake
in the drug performance enhancing programs. It is these athletes,
these true Olympians who are deserved of the honour of the games.
It is these people who truly are the best that they can be. It is
these people for whom the Olympic moto shines, FASTER, HIGHER,
STRONGER.
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118.12 | If he did it, he deserves to pay the price | VAXUUM::DEVRIES | Fixed in next version | Wed Sep 28 1988 13:43 | 41 |
| .9> people are a little selfish expecting
> one lone human being to be 100% perfect when it just isn't possible.
Poor baby. He only (allegedly) used repeatedly a drug banned by
the committee whose policies and procedures have been well publicised
and enforced by action for some time. That's not one lone human
being failing to be 100% perfect -- that's one lone human being
with flagrant disregard for the rules, hoping he won't get caught.
.9> I guess I am an outsider looking on because I am originally from
> England and as yet we take sports seriously but not that seriously.
If you overlook the people killed in soccer riots, that is...
There are only two defenses for the "banned drugs" charges that
I have any sympathy with:
1) The tests were wrong. (I believe Ben got retested with the same
results.)
2) I was taking some non-banned medicine for a medical condition,
and the doctor didn't tell me it contained a banned substance.
In the latter situation (not proposed at this point in Ben's case)
the person would be a victim of circumstances, not of malice, but
certainly not of the Olympic committee. For them to allow a person
to compete just because the person said "It's not my fault!" would
open the door for everyone to use the same defense -- even those
who would be lying.
Rules are rules. Some are flexible, some are not. This one should
not be flexible. If Ben did, indeed, flagrantly disregard this
rule, he deserves to pay the price. If he did not do it, but somehow
was victimised by the system, the system needs to be changed.
I feel sorry he did this, and hope he can put his life together
afterwards.
Mark
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118.13 | Use "Preparation S" | KAOM25::RICHARDSON | He who laughs best | Wed Sep 28 1988 14:39 | 6 |
| He should have known that when you got a big race comming up,
you should use Preparation "S" to help reduce or eliminate traces of
steroids. Didn't George Brett go through the same thing during the
world series???
Glenn
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118.14 | Dope or Dupe? | BETSY::WATSON | No_Mad | Wed Sep 28 1988 16:10 | 16 |
| At first I figured:
#1 he was either wronged, i.e., he was duped into drinking something that
contained Steroids (so his doctor asserts), or..
#2 he was (is) a dope (pun fully intended) knowing full-well that he would
test positive "when" he won a medal (assuming the tests are accurate).
I didn't hear that the tests indicated long-term usage. That's interesting,
and if true than there's no argument either way, as #2 above would fully
apply.
Unless he's cleared - though I can't at this time imagine how - it's a
tough break for you folks up North, eh? I mean that sincerely.
Kip
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118.15 | Save us from the righteous | KAOM25::RUSHTON | Inspired lunacy | Wed Sep 28 1988 20:43 | 23 |
| It's not the response of the Canadian Olympic Committee, or
the lack of one by Ben Johnson, or gloating of opponents that saddens
me, but the lack of compassion and the sudden condemnation of a man
they have never met nor know.
The International Olympic Committee is not a court of law,
the testing apparatus is just that - apparatus which casts no judgement.
The results from the test indicate that the sample attributed to Ben
Johnson contained a banned substance - it does not indicate dose rate
or dose interval, just dose. The comment that the dose profile indicates
prolonged usage is prejudicial and based on non-clinical hearsay.
And yet, many noters and people out there in the real world feel
justified to assume Johnson's guilt and condemn him. He has no recourse
in law - he's guilty with no means to prove himself innocent.
Until the man states that he knowingly took the substance before
the race, I will continue to give him the benefit of moral support. We
would wish to be treated in kind, why is it that some among us cannot
rise above rancor and gloat.
Pat
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118.16 | There's only so much you can ignore | POTARU::COUPAL | Where have all the flowers gone ? | Wed Sep 28 1988 21:05 | 15 |
| I agree with some of what you say: even if he did it,
it's no reason to denigrate the man. Those who do that must
have an inferiority complex anyways, and most of us feel sorry
for Johnson. But the proof remains strong against him, if you've
you've seen how they do the testing, with lawyers and coaches.
Sure, there's always the possibility that someone switched
the bottle, and so on. We'll see what he has to say.
I also refer you to the case of Alex Watson, the Australian
pentathlete who was disqualified for testing positive to
excessive amounts of caffeine, presumably taken from tablets.
He's built a fair case against someone, and now both the IOC
and Pentathlon Federation are looking into it. We'll see if
Johnson can do the same.
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118.17 | | COEVAX::BOHLIG | | Thu Sep 29 1988 18:28 | 25 |
|
Give me a break... the chances are 99.9% the guy was a long-term
steroids abuser - check out Pat Rushton's note with chuckling about
Lewis and his manager claiming Johnson must have used drugs at the
world championships.
The latest reports indicate that he was taking steroids for over
a year, Sports Illustrated has said the last time was very
close to the race (less than a week before).
The test equipment is extremely accurate and the procedures and
re-testing would seem to show that the results are fool-proof. The
sabotage excuse has been all but ruled out by the senstivity of
the test.
Sure, wait 'til all the information is in, but for now - if nothing
changes - I'll say this: Ben Johnson is nothing but a greedy jerk,
a guy that embarassed and let down all of Canada. He's a disgrace
to the country and to the Olympic spirit.
Mike.
changes
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118.18 | Don't let the big guys off.. | TRCA01::CURZON | Richard Curzon TRS 5/2 | Thu Sep 29 1988 21:12 | 66 |
| In my humble opinion the disgrace is hypocrisy, and on a big
scale - the entire sports establishment.
Money has changed the system we have entrusted with sports ethics.
Now the fox is guarding the chicken coop.
The truth coming out of this scandal is, the pretense that
"drug tests prevent abuse" IS KNOWN TO BE FALSE BY IOC,
COUNTRY GOVERNMENTS, SPORTS BODIES, SUPPORT PROFESSIONS
LIKE DOCTORS AND TRAINERS, AND ATHLETES.
Authorities have not addressed sports drugs in a responsible
way, and it is out of control. Drug taking is a tactical
move, the penalties just a risk to take into account against
the money to gain, and everyone involved knows it.
Some controls they could put in:
- IOC to penalize countries whose athletes test positive.
(cut back on size of contingent, give out some
"negative" medals for drug abuse!) Require explanations
and followup from these countries. Make public IOC
ongoing strategy, the weaknesses and plans to fix them.
Require ongoing committee level input from member countries
to update the program.
- Country level controls program, asking professional
groups to update their standards, so serious professional
penalties/fines apply to violators. Doctors and trainers
should have AT LEAST as much to worry about as the athlete.
The professional programs should include reports that
are filed at the country government level, and be part of
any competency audit that may be done by the professional
association. Banning the substances except by prescription will
help pin things down -- after all, most of them are suspected
carcinogens, and all have some health risk. Then criminal
penalties can apply.
- national sports group to have serious programs against drug
use. Involving continual testing with signed statements
by athletes in their programs that they are not using drugs,
and by doctors and trainers similarly. All procedures
kept on file and status reported to government sports
ministry regularly (annually?) Regulations covering
penalties for the filing of false statements at both the
association and government levels.
- Athletes who want to keep their sport clean, (and don't
want to be beaten by drug users) can file complaints with
assocations, which the association must document and
follow up on. Identity of complainants
not made public. Associations will have to lose
grant money from their governments if haven't appropriately
followed up on complaints filed.
- if scandals do break in the future, then there is a
framework of responsibility in place. You can show
where somebody wasn't doing their job, and reaction
can be fast and effective.
Why this bothers me: I have young children, who are
interested in Olympics and national heroes, and that whole wonderful
part of being a youngster. I am ashamed about what they are seeing!
Come on, we can do better than this!
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118.19 | | KAOO01::LAPLANTE | | Thu Sep 29 1988 21:32 | 23 |
| Although I am not condoning any actions that any athletes have taken
with regards to drugs, I do not agree with the bashers who are so
sure that it was done for greed only.
I think the people of this country also bear a responsibility. Who
was it that put all the expectations on the shoulders of the athletes.
If Ben had not won the gold, everyone would have been on him for
coming in second, or third or not placing. Think of the pressure
on him to realize after two losses in Europe, poor results in
preliminaries and the worry of "what if I let my country down".
The same with the weightlifters we sent over, and many from other
countries. They have to do well to keep their countries support
and adulation. If they doubt themselves, well maybe there is something
they can do about it.
I don't doubt that Ben took steroids, whether he did it willingly
I don't know. Maybe a coach was worried about his performance. Would
you questions a preparation given you by a coach? There are lots
of questions still unanswered. I say wait until the investigation
by the CTFA is completed before continuing with the bashing.
Roger
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118.20 | What is Ben's life expectancy NOW? | KAOA05::FRERE | Eric Frere @KAO DTN 621-2184 | Thu Sep 29 1988 23:36 | 17 |
| If I were Ben and did not know about the steroids, I would sue the
pants off whoever did it. This is more than a lost of a medal or
an embarrassment to the country and the sport, this is assault with
intent to cause bodily harm (or even criminal negligence). How
would you feel that your liver may malfunction by your early 30's??
Q.> Why do you think McCoy and Williams scattered back to Canada?
They say that they are down because of Ben. I would have stayed
there to keep face and try to win one for him. Are they scared
to win?
Eric
P.S. Whatever happened to just running for the fun off it; like
high school meets? The IOC is becoming more lenient towards the
"amateur" status. If they would go the other way, we would see
less of this (except, of course, from the Soviet Block -;)
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118.21 | That kind of research makes me puke | POTARU::COUPAL | Where have all the flowers gone ? | Fri Sep 30 1988 01:09 | 11 |
| What I hate even more is the implication that those who don't
get caught are Mr. Nice Guy inspired by God. Better face it,
many/most of the athletes in there will have been cheating,
one way or the other. It's just that they will have been smarter
about stopping earlier, getting better/newer drugs, or newer
tricks to change blood.
That's why the list of forbidden substances grows each year:
they find more and more countries (US, Eastern Bloc, and others)
find new ways of cheating the system.
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118.22 | It's to soon to know yet | CSDPIE::EDGERTON | | Fri Sep 30 1988 08:59 | 8 |
| As a side note, my office mate (who is into sports news
much more than myself) indicated that several NFL teams
were interested in Ben as a player. I beleive that teams
picking up track stars as recievers has happened before,
I don't think the drug status is considered to hurt his
chances (he's learned his lesson).
The rewards of victory?
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118.23 | pissed off | DUB01::EGRI | | Fri Sep 30 1988 09:52 | 40 |
| DEAR CUPID,
As fars "the British not taking sports as seriously as that" I had
to stay up and watch the BBC coverage of the whole debacle. I had
to sit there and watch Ron Pickering (British broadcaster) self
righteously spewing on and on about how Ben had "cheated" and deserved
the worst punishment he could possibly receive for this horrendous
afront to the Olympic movement. It made me physically ill.
But now we find that Linford Christie whom PIckering proclaimed
as a clean athlete whwn all this was going on has been tested and
they have found traces of an illegal substance in his urine sample
and also that of a British Judo bronze medal winner. I didn't see
the chaste Mr. Pickering on the telly then.
Strangely enough when they were trying to get Christie to do a Calvin
Smith on Johnson he said that he felt truly sorry for Ben because
he admired him and still felt that he was a great athlete. I was
amazed at how quickly Johnson was sentenced hours before any official
statement was made as to whether he realy had used the steroids
or not. God I hope they crucify Charlie Francis.
I have stand here and listen to people going on about how tthey
thought Johnson ran the best 100 milligram race they ever saw or
that he is the best runner on two drugs etc.. etc.. The nice thing
about the Irish is that they take the Mickey about themselves too.
The Irish newspapers have said that their athletes have been taking
drugs as well but in their case its been Valium. Nice to see they
can still see the lighter side of all of this
I could sit here and bang out more frustration but I've got work
to do.
Maybe now the IOC will realy try and clean up and get some of those
huge sponsors who pressure the Ben Johnsons and force the Carl Lewis'
on us.
Really sad about the whole thing but disgusted by the vultures,
Ted Egri.
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118.24 | | TRCA03::BARTLETT | I need more time,whats the part # | Fri Sep 30 1988 16:58 | 31 |
| It seems to me that whenever something like this happens the media
have an interesting way of reporting it. You hear bits and pieces
every day but no newscaster ever seems to put them all together.
For example bits and pieces I've heard this week "only once"...
The initial effect of steroids is to cause swelling and tightening
of the muscles, therefore taking them soon before an event would
have a detrimental effect.
After Ben's most recent injury one (or a few) of his corporate sponsors
offered $1M CDN to the person/doctor who could restore Ben's health.
In this Olympic event all three of the top runners plus one other
runner (chosen at random) were required by IOC rules to submit to
the urine test.
During the warmup session before the race Ben's equipment bag was
moved from its original position, this made him suspicious and
therefore didn't drink out of his private water bottle. Later he
apparently accepted a water bottle from a stranger, drank from it,
and later complained (to his coach/trainer (?)) that the water tasted
bitter. Upon returning to his hotel the coach/trainer noticed a
yellow sludge in the bottom of the water bottle and proceded to
rinse it out in sink without retaining any of sludge.
Has anyone else heard the same info. or is it "news" to you?
Just the facts,
Jason...
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118.25 | Evidence is starting to surface | OTOFS::B_CORBIN | BRIAN | Fri Oct 07 1988 16:55 | 12 |
| From Oct 7 Toronto Star
" ...Records of Sterling Drug Ltd show that Astaphan - who has previously
denied prescribing anabolic steroids to any patient - has purchased
stanozolol on numerous occasions"
Mr. Associate Chief Justice Charles Dubin will head the Federal
Inquiry into the use of drugs in sport.
(DR. George Mario (Jamie) Astaphan is/was Ben's Doctor.)
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118.26 | What ever happened to BEN ??? | GVA01::ATKINSON | Alan Atkinson - Geneva | Mon Feb 13 1989 07:46 | 5 |
| Now that the dust has settled, are all the facts out? If so can
someone give me the Readers Digest version of what has happen to
Ben, the doctor, other Canadian athletes, etc., etc. Being in Europe,
the day to day news of Ben and his story weren't covered. Please
bring me up to date on EVERYTHING. Thanks in advance.
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118.27 | Little is known yet. | KAOM25::TOMKINS | This MIND left blank INTENTIONALLY | Mon Feb 20 1989 12:35 | 8 |
| The government enquiry is currently ongoing. There will probably
be very little of excitement to report until Ben and the Doc get
called to testify.
So far, the use of steroids appears to have been fairly rampant
in every good athletes training program. Some of the Weight Lifters
have even brought up the fact that they did a urine exchange with
the coach or the coaches friend so they would pass the tests.
More to come, stay tuned.
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118.28 | Sort of News to me too !! | BTO::BOATENG_K | Hirudines Medicinales Maxime Affamati | Tue Apr 25 1989 00:15 | 20 |
|
BARCELONA, Spain:
Ben Johnson would be welcome to compete in the 1992
Olympic even though he was caught using steriods at the Games in Seoul,
last Summer, the head of the International Olympic Committee said
Sunday (April, 23rd).
IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch said Johnson must be treated "like
any other athlete", despite being involved in the biggest sacandal in
Olympic history.
"Johnson was treated like any other athlete in Seoul when we suspended
him," Samaranch said. "Now, we have to do the same... He must not get
more sanctions because he is Johnson. This is not fair."
The ..sprinter won the 100 meter gold medal on a bright September
Saturday, with a world-record time of 9.79. The following Tuesday, the
IOC announced that Johnson had tested positive for stanozolol, a banned
steriod, and disqualified him from the Games and stripped him of the
gold medal and the latest world-record clocking.
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118.29 | Little tough I think !!! | BEST1::ATKINSON | Wine is fine but liquor's quicker | Wed Apr 26 1989 08:50 | 12 |
| I read in the International Herald Tribune that even though the
Olympic Committee would allow Ben to participate in the 1992 Olymppics,
the Canadian government said that he wouldn't be allowed to represent
Canada. Does Ben still have Jamacian citzenship ie can he represent
Jamacia in the '92 Olymics.
I think that the Canadian gov't are taking quite a strong stand
on this and I'm not sure if I agree with them n not allowing Ben
to participate as a Canadian. Any comments on the governments latest
stastement???
Alan
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118.30 | | KAOM25::TOMKINS | This MIND left blank INTENTIONALLY | Wed Apr 26 1989 10:40 | 5 |
| Our governments current stance on the matter is written into law.
This is not an abitrary enaction of the rules. BJ may not represent
Canada for the rest of his life in any athletic event subject to
review after a two year period of suspension by the then current
ministry of sports.
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118.31 | But can he qualify? | TRCO01::OBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien @TRC 18/6 | Wed Apr 26 1989 17:53 | 8 |
| Johnson could run for Jamaica, unless there is an Olympic rule
prohibiting changing countries (I don't think there is one). But
the ruling can be appealed by Johnson after two years. I'm sure
that under rigid testing conditions, he could be allowed to run
again for Canada. But then, after four years of no steroids, would
he be an athlete who could qualify for the Olympics?
Glenn
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118.32 | Compete at Own Expense | KAOO01::LAPLANTE | Not the Northern Magus | Thu Apr 27 1989 08:24 | 11 |
| Canada has agreed and is complying with the IOC ban of two years
for any competition.
What Canada has done in addition is to make Ben ineligible for any
government grants or funding for the remainder of his life. If Ben
could qualify for the Canadian Olympic team in 92, he could participate
for Canada....except that he would have to pay all of his own expenses
including travel, accomodation, coaching, therapist, etc. He would
not have access to any of the Canadian team facilities.
Roger
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118.33 | Sell the Ferrari! | MQOFS::DESROSIERS | Lets procrastinate....tomorrow | Thu Apr 27 1989 12:50 | 5 |
| Perhaps then he will have access to better chemists (from the US
or the USSR??)
Jean
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118.34 | Ben Dover and take your medicine | BETSY::WATSON | No_Mad | Thu Sep 14 1989 12:39 | 14 |
| This note has Ben (pun fully intended) getting moldy lately. You folks
aren't already snowed in up there by any chance, are you?
Didn't Ben Johnson recently confess to having taken steroids, and wasn't
he stripped of most if not all his previous medals/records from those years
when he _wasn't_ taking drugs to enhance his performance? And didn't the
Canadians in general take a [unjustified] beating for past records by
having some of them stricken from the record book?
Anyone have the facts on this?
thnx,
Kip
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118.35 | | KAOM25::RUSHTON | Render the day oblivious. | Thu Sep 14 1989 13:14 | 4 |
| < Note 118.34 by BETSY::WATSON "No_Mad" >
-< Ben Dover and take your medicine >-
No, yes, yes and yes.
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118.36 | | TRCO01::FINNEY | Keep cool, but do not freeze | Thu Sep 14 1989 14:24 | 1 |
| ... and yes.
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118.37 | $$$ | KAOFS::N_BAXTER | we'll see who rusts first... | Fri Sep 15 1989 08:56 | 1 |
| Who really cares.....a great waste of my tax money!
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118.38 | | GVA01::ATKINSON | Just the facts kid | Wed Apr 18 1990 05:59 | 3 |
| I read in US TODAY (I think) the other day that there may be a race
between Ben Johnson & Carl Lewis for a LARGE sum of money. Has any
one heard of this?
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118.39 | Is Ben Back ??? | GVA01::ATKINSON | Just the facts kid | Wed Sep 12 1990 08:40 | 4 |
| I heard that Ben Johnson has been reinstated. Any more info about this
would be appreciated.
Alan
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118.40 | | KAOA01::LAPLANTE | | Wed Sep 12 1990 09:00 | 11 |
|
His first race will be in Hamilton in early January and he will
be competing in the 50m.
He is also scheduled to appear in Ottawa in late January and apparently
has signed to appear in 13 meets during 1991.
His practice times reported so far are where they expected him to
be ie 7.7 vs his best of 7.24 for 70m
Roger
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118.41 | Ben is back .... to stay ?!? | BEST1::ATKINSON | Just the facts kid | Thu Jan 10 1991 04:21 | 5 |
| I understand that tomorrow night (in Hamilton) is the big night for BIG
BEN. Any news about this that can be shared with us Canadians across
the Pond?
Alan
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118.42 | 5.77 | TRCO01::FINNEY | Keep cool, but do not freeze | Fri Jan 11 1991 23:09 | 12 |
| Well, Big Ben has redeemed himself.
2nd place in the 60 metres.
1st - Counsel 5.75
2nd - Johnson 5.77
3rd 5.79
Ben was not as quick of the blocks as he had been, but was obviously
the fastes runner in the last half of the race ....
Scooter
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118.43 | Ben's back, but rusty. | KAOA12::SMELLIE | | Mon Jan 14 1991 09:34 | 9 |
| Wasn't it 55 metres?
Two things are being mentioned as contributing to Ben finishing second,
one was the poor start, and the other was that Ben lunged for the wrong
finish line (at 50 metres). There is some speculation that the two
false starts may have thrown him. The crowd was really behind him
though.
Tom
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118.44 | one up, one down | EPSYS::DEVRIES | By their notes ye shall know them | Mon Jan 14 1991 12:54 | 8 |
| I understood the announcers to say "55 metres", too.
Interesting timing -- the day Ben Johnson comes back from his suspension for
drug use, Carl Lewis gets arrested for drunk driving.
Kinda makes you say, "Hmmmm..."
Mark
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118.45 | Ben's back!!! | KAOM25::RUSHTON | Unscathed by inspired lunacy | Mon Jan 14 1991 13:13 | 10 |
| Apparently, there were two finish lines with photoelectric sensors.
One at 50 YARDS (not the true finish line) and,
One at 50 METRES (the real finish line). Ben mistook the first one to
be the true finish line.
No doubt from watching the race on Friday, he's well on his way back!
Pat
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118.46 | | TROA09::GOBRIEN | Raiders on the Storm | Mon Jan 21 1991 17:33 | 5 |
| In a race this weekend, Johnson beat the Canadian indoor record, but
still finished second in the race. I believe the time was 5.74. His
coach says he should peak in September.
Glenn
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118.47 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Perpetual Glenn | Mon Jul 29 1996 10:44 | 5 |
| Well, Donovan Bailey has finally redeemed us. With a gold medal with a
world record time of 9.84, we can now put the Ben Jonson scandal behind
us for good.
I thank him.
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