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Title:True North Strong & Free
Notice:Introduction in Note 535, For Sale/Wanted in 524
Moderator:POLAR::RICHARDSON
Created:Fri Jun 19 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1040
Total number of notes:13668

65.0. "Taxes - Shall we cut spending?" by POLAR::WILSOND () Mon Apr 25 1988 18:56

    Another Ontario budget.  
    
    Of course none of us heard the budget.  The NDP, minority party
    at Queens Park, was ringing the bells to prevent sitting of the
    House in protest the allowance of Sunday Shopping.
    
    More and more taxes.  Gas Up, Sales Taxes Up, Ciggies Up (good),
    and Beer Up.  I believe Ciggies will be 3.75 and a 24 of Blue will
    be over $21.  Plus all sales taxes......etc....
    
    Are you willing to live with higher taxes to pay for Family Allowances,
    Funding for Special Interest Groups, OHIP, .....?
    
    Or are we going to stop and say no more money, to each other?
    
    Dave 
    Ottawa, Canada
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65.1TRCA03::KEHOERon Keyhot�Tue Apr 26 1988 13:287
    I don't mind paying the higher tax so long as it keeps the quality
    of living in Ontario as high as it is now. 
    
    Ron.
    
    I believe the Libs are doing a great job, even if I have to pay
    more for the suds.
65.2Live free or die...COEVAX::BOHLIGTue Apr 26 1988 17:2413
    
    Try this on for size:
    
    New Hampshire has - no sales tax
                      - no state (ie. provincial) income tax
                      - cases of two-four on sale at <$10 (OK, maybe
                        its not quite the real stuff) and decent wine
                        at $3-4
                      - pretty darn good "quality of life"
    
    As an ex-Ontarian, all I can say is "vive la difference"!
    
    Mike.    
65.3TRCA03::KEHOERon Keyhot�Wed Apr 27 1988 09:354
    
    I just found out that the provincial MPs want to raise their salaries
    15%. Now I know why they raised the taxes....
65.4How much to MPs and MPPs make?POLAR::WILSONDWed Apr 27 1988 09:5112
    Remember that the Liberal Party is $6 million dollars in debt.
    
    Should we trust them to run the finances of the province and country?
                                                                  
    Out of curosity, Does anybody know what MP and MPPs are making across
    Canada, from Newfoundland to British Columbia (inc Ottawa)?
    
    No, I am NOT a liberal, conservative or NDPer.  I hear the liberal
    is so far in debt that they cannot pay their rent for the head office.
    
    Dave
    
65.5So what are you ??????KAOM25::RICHARDSONHe who laughs bestThu Apr 28 1988 09:048
    re .4
    
    	Are you a Republican??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    OOO HAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHOHOHOHOHOHOHO,SNORT,GAFAW......Sigh.....
    
    Sorry Dave, I had to get it out of my system.
    
    Glenn ;-)
65.6NH isn't nirvanaDEBIT::NEWMANThis is one of my lucid moments.Thu Apr 28 1988 15:4229
    re: .2
    
    As a former Ontario resident, a current Massachussets resident and
    someone who works and shops (for obvious reasons) in NH, I have
    to question the statement that NH has a "pretty darn good" quality
    of life relative to Ontario.  The term "quality of life" means
    different things to different people.  What are your criteria?
    
    I believe that NH provides a good quality of life for those who
    "have", but I am not so sure about those that "have not".  I would
    question whether the social programs in NH could hold a candle to
    those available in Ontario.
    
    As a general comment on the topic, I have never appreciated OHIP
    so much as when I relocated my family to MA and found out what the
    alternatives are.  I admit that OHIP has its flaws, but they are
    nothing compared to the drawbacks of the privately-run health care
    that is available here.  (I am referring to the way that health
    care is managed and funded, not the basic quality of health care.)
    
    I would like to think that there is a happy medium between being
    taxed to death and not being taxed very much (relatively speaking)
    but having less in terms of government services.  It sure sounds
    like the most recent budget really hurt.  I guess the real question
    is:  are the tax dollars being efficiently used to provide important
    programs, or is there an excessive amount of beaurocracy (?sp) being
    funded?
    
    Scott
65.7Dump the DukeXCUSME::KINGDon&#039;t LitterSat Apr 30 1988 07:185
    Sounds like Massachusetts(Taxachusetts).
    
    Bryan(ex-resident of Mass now living in NH)
    
    
65.8Irresponsible governmentTRCA03::OBRIENSun May 08 1988 13:588
    Last year, the Government had a surplus to work with, and decided
    to spend it in an election year rather than reduce the provincial
    debt.  Now this year they raise taxes.  This is irresponsible, and
    the people of Ontario have a right to be angry.  I like the Peterson
    government too, but you can't condone fiscal stupidity because you
    like the guy.
    
    Glenn
65.9Tax your teeth, too...POLAR::ROBINSONPLiv&#039;er on the edgeFri Dec 02 1994 07:287
    
    This looks like the right topic...Any comments on recents announcements
    by the feds to tax healthcare benefits (starting with dental) and
    inposing a tax on RRSP earnings? Am I the only one who sees something
    wrong with this picture?
    
    Pat R.
65.10TROOA::COLLINSComfortably numb...Fri Dec 02 1994 12:004
    
    Any tax levied on the RRSPs before being withdrawn will be the straw
    that breaks the camel's back for voters.   Look for BIG TIME anger.
    
65.11CTHU22::M_MORINA dead mean with the most toys is still a dead man.Mon Dec 05 1994 16:465
As far as taxing RRSP's.  I think this is just a stir to get people going so
that when they decide to reduce the RRSP contribution limits instead, people
will not be as angry.

/Mario
65.12tax increase in some formKAOT01::R_HARPERThis space unavailable, Digital has it nowThu Dec 08 1994 14:0912
    The talk now is
    ..another temporary ;-) income tax hike. Temporary in the sense that it
         would be phased out (the hike that is). 
    ..Increase levy on Lotteries
    ..gas tax
    ..and changing the capitol gains tax.
    
    The analysis are saying the RRSP taxing is very remote but as always is
    a discussion point. 
    
    richard