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Title:MicroVAX, VAXstation, VAX 4000 Systems
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Jan 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri May 30 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4370
Total number of notes:18956

4347.0. "Valid VS3100 Memory Configurations" by DRAGNS::SAUNDERS () Mon Feb 03 1997 19:33

I'm continuing the consolidation I described in 4346.0, this time with our
VAXstation 3100s. On one system, I'd like to upgrade from 16Mb to 24Mb. This
system started out with 4+8+4Mb, and I'd like to make that 4+8+12Mb.

Unfortunately, after the upgrade, the system boots into VMS as 16Mb!

Is there a problem with having the smaller board (8Mb 5419830-01) before the
larger (12Mb 5418287-01)? I know that if I had a 16Mb board instead of the 8Mb,
everything would work (we have a system like that).

What are the valid configurations?

Thanks,
John Saunders

P.S. All this ancient knowledge should really be stored somewhere. This isn't
the only time I've wanted an "Ancient Systems and Options Guide".
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4347.1MARVIN::CARLINITue Feb 04 1997 06:1011
        The MS42-CA (16MB) cannot be configured with the MS42-KA (8MB) (I
        think they won't fit) but that is the only restriction that I know of.
    
        24MB can be achieved with either MS42-KA+MS42-BA (8+12 as you are
        doing) or MS42-CA+MS42-AB (16+4). The SOC says nothing about the
        order of the parts.
    
        What does the console think? (Try TEST 50). You did AUTOGEN didn't
        you?
    
        Antonio
4347.2VAXstation 3100 memory configs, beware big system disksXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringTue Feb 04 1997 09:3734
:Unfortunately, after the upgrade, the system boots into VMS as 16Mb!

   Check the SYSGEN parameter PHYSICALPAGES (raise it if needed),
   and re-AUTOGEN.

:Is there a problem with having the smaller board (8Mb 5419830-01) before the
:larger (12Mb 5418287-01)? I know that if I had a 16Mb board instead of the 8Mb,
:everything would work (we have a system like that).

   This configuration should work.

What are the valid configurations?

   On the VAXstation 3100 series (other than the model 76):

     MS42-CA 16MB and MS42-KA 8MB modules allow a second board,
     either an MS42-AB 4MB or MS42-BA 12MB.

   The VAXstation 3100-76 uses up to eight MS44-AA 4MB boards.

:P.S. All this ancient knowledge should really be stored somewhere. This isn't
:the only time I've wanted an "Ancient Systems and Options Guide".

   Hey!  Stay out of my file cabinet!  :-)

   --

   The other `gotcha' with the entire VAXstation 3100 series...
   These systems can *not* be reliably booted and operated off
   a local SCSI system disk larger than 1.073GB, regardless of
   the host operating system.  OpenVMS prior to V6 supports data
   disks of up to 8.5GB, while V6.0 and later support 1TB disks
   as data drives.

4347.3Thanks!DRAGNS::SAUNDERSTue Feb 04 1997 12:3711
Thanks, All!

AUTOGEN is what was needed. I don't know why. In my past experience, adding
memory caused SHOW MEMORY to display the new total, and one then ran AUTOGEN to
cause the other parameters to correspond to the new amount. This time, I needed
to run AUTOGEN first. Perhaps someone manually set PHYSICALPAGES, and running
AUTOGEN removed that setting?

Thanks alot,
John Saunders
DECdns Engineering
4347.4PHYSICALPAGES changed with VMS 6.0CSC32::B_HIBBERTWhen in doubt, PANICMon Feb 17 1997 16:3317
   < AUTOGEN is what was needed. I don't know why. In my past experience,
   < adding
   < memory caused SHOW MEMORY to display the new total, and one then ran
   < AUTOGEN to
   < cause the other parameters to correspond to the new amount. This time,
   < I needed
   < to run AUTOGEN first. Perhaps someone manually set PHYSICALPAGES, and
   < running
   < AUTOGEN removed that setting?
    
    Starting with VMS V6.0, AUTOGEN sets physical pages to the total amount
    of memory found at the time of the autogen rather than setting it to
    its theoretical max.  This change is documented in the release notes.
    You must rerun autogen in order for PHYSICALPAGES to be set correctly.
    
    Brian Hibbert
    
4347.5Thanks!DRAGNS::SAUNDERSMon Feb 17 1997 17:334
Thanks, Brian. I must not have added memory to any system after V6.0...

John Saunders
DECdns Engineering
4347.6Seeing 256MB of memory in 2TROOA::GILLAMThu Apr 10 1997 13:2718
    Hi,
    
    I don't know if this is related, but perhaps someone could help.
    
    My customer recently purchased a 3100 Model 98 with 128MB of memory and
    an additional 128MB upgrade to provide 256MB total.
    
    All of the packing slips etc indicate that the system should have
    256MB, yet when the customer does a show mem, the system thinks it only
    has 128MB.  The system was installed by Digital service so I believe
    the memory is physically present.  
    
    Are the previously discussed Autogen steps required?  Could this be a
    microcode issue (ie system can't see beyond 128MB)?
    
    Any help is appreciated.
    
    Bill
4347.7AUTOGEN; Check MODPARAMS.DAT and SYSGEN for PHYSICALPAGES Settings...XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringThu Apr 10 1997 14:224
   Re-run AUTOGEN, and make sure that PHYSICALPAGES gets set
   sufficiently high.  (_Why_ AUTOGEN was recoded to ever lower
   the setting of PHYSICALPAGES is beyond me...)
4347.8Autogen seems to have fixed!TROOA::GILLAMThu Apr 10 1997 20:407
    Just an update.  The customer ran AUTOGEN and the extra 128MB of memory
    appeared.  They couldn't reboot because of the importance of the
    application the machine runs, but will do so at a later date.
    
    
    Thanks,
    Bill