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Conference irocz::common_brouters

Title:Digital Brouters Conference
Notice:New common-code brouter family: RouteAbout, DECswitch 900
Moderator:MARVIN::HARTLL
Created:Mon Jul 17 1995
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:929
Total number of notes:3736

892.0. "LAT problems over VNSwitch900EA ?" by OSLLAV::BJORN (Bj�rn Olav Haugom) Wed May 07 1997 08:56

A customer in Sweden has replaced their Yellow Coax with GIGAswitch/ATM
and VNswitch 900EAs. The GS/ATM is the centre of connections from a number
of Multiswitch 900, each equipped with VNswitch 900EA. All the systems in
the network are connected to Ethernet, servers with dedicated 10 Mbit/s ports
and the others on shared Ethernet.

They are seeing problems with LAT, where a printer connected to a DECserver
is receiveing print data from a VAX connected to another repeater or switch
on the other side of the ATM-network. They have not  seen this before they
installed the ATM solution.

I can not understand that LAT should have more problems over ATM than over
10 Mbit/s shared Ethernet.

Do you have any idea of how VNswitch or GS/ATM would handle small EThernet
packets, and the timing problems that could occur with LAT (versus other
protocols)?

Bj�rn Olav Haugom

NPBU Norway
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892.1Didn't know we had any...STKHLM::WEBJORNGullik Webj�rn Network AdvisoryWed May 07 1997 10:147
    Who is the customer??
    
    Just curious,
    
    
    Gullik
    
892.2Don't know the customer nameOSLLAV::BJORNBj�rn Olav HaugomFri May 09 1997 10:1312
Hi Gullik,

I don't know the customer. I got a call from our ex-colleague Krister Larsson,
who told me this and asked if I had seen this mentioned anywhere. I do not
believe LAN Emulation is causing this, even if there are a number of 
operations involved in SAR, LES, BUS and so on.

Krister is going to get some more facts, but until then, if anyone has some 
ideas about how LAT would be coped with in ATM and LANE, it's always good to 
listen to the ideas.

Bj�rn Olav
892.3ATM/LAT NPSS::ROUNDSFri May 09 1997 13:0929
From:	SMTP%"[email protected]"  9-MAY-1997 11:52:06.86
To:	"'\"NPSS::ROUNDS\"@amuck.lkg.dec.com'" <"NPSS::ROUNDS"@amuck.lkg.dec.com>
CC:	
Subj:	RE: LAT/ATM

	The GS/ATM BUS supports up to 700 Kbps of traffic in the current
release.  If the LAN the ELAN is supporting is above that level in
multicast and unknown destination, packets will be lost. 
	The lost packets could include LAT service multicasts which prevent the
LAT client from discovering where the LAT service is. This would
indefinitely cause a connection problem. There is some statistical
probability that a multicast will get through and the MAC address of the
service will be learned. This depends on the multicast/broadcast level.
If there is a lot of traffic, the probability is low.
	LAT has relatively short retry timeouts. It is conceivable that setting
up a Data Direct VC in LANE takes longer than the LAT retry timeouts.
This is due to the LEC having to resolve the MAC address to ATM address
mapping, and then set up the Data Direct SVC. Initially the LAT
connection may time out waiting for the above to complete, but the
connection should complete on a later try. This try will probably need
to be manually initiated, since the built-in retries will probably be
exhausted.
	The combination of the above two factors could create problems for LAT.
In the next release of GS/ATM, the BUS performance increases to 2 Mbps.
Even with this rate, network administrators should be careful of dropped
packets. Dropping a Bridge PDU spells trouble for spanning tree and
users of the LAN/ELAN.

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892.4FDDI?FORBIN::WILKINSONFri May 09 1997 23:564
    Does the customer configuration include FDDI to Ethernet translation?
    
    Hugh