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Title:DIGITAL UNIX(FORMERLY KNOWN AS DEC OSF/1)
Notice:Welcome to the Digital UNIX Conference
Moderator:SMURF::DENHAM
Created:Thu Mar 16 1995
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:10068
Total number of notes:35879

9381.0. "Should the 'dupatch' kit generally be installed on EVERY system?" by VIRGIN::SUTTER (Who are you ??? - I'm BATMAN !!!) Thu Apr 03 1997 10:46

Thanks to the UNIX Engineering, we now have a common and 
standard method to install Digital UNIX patches for most 
versions currently in use.

We recently discussed the subject about when and where 
'dupatch' should be installed. 

Some people said that a patch should only be installed if 
somebody hits a bug or otherwise does not work as it should
(these peopole generally have been burnt in the past with 
patches that introduced a whole lot of side effects)
whereas others point out that with 'preventive patching' you
can fix problems that you otherwise may run into later. 


So maybe we should form a party line on this subject:

	* Should every Digital UNIX installation also 
	  contain the latest 'dupatch' for this release? 

	* Should we generally install ALL patches of a 
	  given kit or only PART of it? 

	* or should we refrain from generally install 
	  patches for bugs that don't bug us (yet)?


	* What is the standpoint of Product Management
	  in this respect?


Any ideas on this subject are welcome!

Regards, 

Arnold
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9381.1LEXSS1::GINGERRon GingerThu Apr 03 1997 15:3810
    I think this subject will be as hot as one about religion or politics.
    It has been debated endlessly, even when we had no common patch
    process. and you will still get widely different answers.
    
    I used to be in the camp to only install specifc patches as necessary.
    Recently Ive moved to install them all. At least that saves me all the
    hassle of making a decision based on too little, and likely incorrect
    data. Also stops one quick level of finger pointing when you call in a
    problem. "there is a patch for that version you havent installed. That
    must be the problem"
9381.2Have made similar experiences ...ZUR01::SUTTERWho are you ??? - I'm BATMAN !!!Fri Apr 04 1997 05:3691
We here in the MCS UNIX Support Group have made similar experiences: 
everybody handles things a bit differently! 

I've dug out a TIMA Blitz from Sep. 96 that says to install all available 
patches everytime (only that it wasn't feasible that time). 

Now with the 'dupatch' it is and we should start thinking about how we can
possibly manage to distribute the latest 'dupatch' kit onto all internal and
external systems.

	Should the customers have an ECO CDDS Contract: are all the
	'dupatch' kits on the ECO CDDS QT-3CSAA-C8?  

	Should the customers be able to download them via DSNlink/AES
	(AES is for MCS contract customers only)?

	Should we have them on www.service.digital.com free to download? 
	(WEB users expect everything free ...)

	Should they be FISed onto any System delivered with Digital UNIX
	INCLUDING a media that is delivered together with the Digital UNIX
	distribution media in case the customer reinstalls?

Any other means to get them out of the door? It can't be that we poor 
MCS Engineers have to distribute them to the whole Digital UNIX 
community on Tape on a per-customer basis!!

Any ideas? 

Regards, 

Arnold
------------------------------- TIMA BLITZ -------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:18:01 +0200
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
From: guru::donovan (John Donovan USG)
To: TIMA::TIMA_MGR, [email protected]
Cc: dv780::holliday_DA, malcolm@dec:.zko.guru, mse1::safford,
        [email protected], rhett::keilty, [email protected]
Subject: Blitz: Recommendation Concerning Digital UNIX Patch Application

To: [email protected], [email protected]
Cc: [email protected], malcolm, [email protected],
        [email protected], [email protected], rob, uberti


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      						    AUTHOR: John Donovan 
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      DEPARTMENT: Digital UNIX Problem Management    (PRISM/TIME/CLD#'s)  

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Subject: Recommendation Concerning Digital UNIX Patch Application



Digital UNIX Support Engineering strongly recommends that Digital UNIX systems
be kept absolutely up-to-date with respect to released patches. Customers 
should ensure that they apply ALL released patches for the subsets installed 
version on the version running. Failure to do so can result in system panics, 
system hangs, and other unpredicted and undesirable system behavior. As new 
applicable patches are released, they should be applied in a timely manner, to 
avoid the possibility of encountering a problem for which a solution already 
exists.


   
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9381.3Most of it is answered on www.zk3.dec.com/dupatchwwwZUR01::SUTTERWho are you ??? - I&#039;m BATMAN !!!Sat Apr 05 1997 08:438
    Sharon Reynolds, Manager of the UNIX Patch Delivery Group, gave me the
    following URL that answers most of my questions:
    
    	http://www.zk3.dec.com/dupatchwww
    
    Regards, 
    
    Arnold
9381.4single/multi user mode?BLKRUS::PISCOPOThu Apr 24 1997 14:3312
    
    Prior to dupatch, one could install certain patches, rebuild the 
    kernel and at user convenience move the new kernel to root and reload,
    remotely.
    
    Given, some patches do require single user mode, but not all. Are there
    plans to assist in patch installations remotely? 
    
    If not, for large unix sites, single user mode could be rather time
    consuming and costly in man hours.
    
    -Tony