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Conference iosg::all-in-1

Title:ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Please spell ALL-IN-1 correctly - all CAPITALS!
Moderator:IOSG::PYECE
Created:Fri Jul 01 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2716
Total number of notes:12169

2687.0. "A1 V 3.2, DSA and MTA in a cluster - what to install ?" by OSITEL::rtont2.rto.dec.com::Erich (SI-Office) Wed May 21 1997 09:58

 Hi all,

 I have a question of how to install MTA/DSA in a cluster
 with ALL-IN-1 V 3.2

 We will have:
	- a alpha cluster with two CPUs 
	- one system disk
	- a DECnet alias
	- a Internet alias via UCX
	- TCP/IP as transport

 We want to:
	- install ALL-IN-1 in the cluster
	- it will run on all CPUs simultaneously
	- install the DSA in the cluster
	- the DSA will run on one CPU at a time
	- install the MTA in the cluster
	- the MTA will run on one CPU at a time
	  (the same as the DSA)

 We expect that:
	- if the CPU with DSA/MTA running fails, we can
	  start the DSA/MTA on the second CPU
	- this is transparent for the agent (ALL-IN-1 V 3.2)
	  because of the use of internet alias
	- this is transparent for other MTAs which will "see"
	  no change in the presentation address.

 Question is:
	
	* what must be installed on the cluster, CPU1 and CPU2
	  in terms of DSA/MTA Base, Mgmt, Admin, Server ?

 regards, Erich
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2687.1Simplistic view...IOSG::MARSHALLWed May 21 1997 12:3113
ALL-IN-1: the default installation is cluster-wide, nothing special to do here.

DSA and MTA: as you have a common system disk for the two nodes, you should just
be able to install everything once, in a place visible to both systems.  All (?)
you then need to do is make sure that the startup-stuff is only invoked from one
machine, either by moving it to a node-specific disk or inserting checks for
nodenames, etc.

For the failover, you either just need to invoke the start-up manually from the
other machine (if the start-up is still in a common directory), or have a
separate copy of the startup stuff on the second node's node-specific disk.

Scott
2687.2I don't think it's that easy...SNOFS1::JOYCEJENNYStill crazy after all these yearsThu May 22 1997 01:3215
    I don't think its that simple to fail the DSA/MTA over.  At least one
    of them has the node's NSAP address somewhere in the configuration....
    
    This problem of failover has been discussed elsewhere (I can't remember
    if it was this conference or the MAILbus 400 one or the X.500 one), and
    I suggest you look for those discussions
    
    Hopefully someone who knows more about this can make some more
    suggestions.  Personally I decided to get a separate system for the DSA
    and MTA (performance considerations also entered into that decision)
    and I'm currently awaiting the hardware, so I haven't actually set it
    up yet.
    
    
    Jenny Joyce
2687.3I hope, Internet Cluster in the solutionOSITEL::rtont2.rto.dec.com::ErichSI-OfficeThu May 22 1997 11:069
 Hi all,
 thanks for your inputs. 
 I hope I will have ONE presentation address via UCX - Internet Cluster.
 Therefore agents and peer MTA and DUAs schould always "see" the same
 MTA and DSA.
 I also suggested to use a separate system, but the customer wants to have
 all components on the cluster.

 regards, Erich
2687.4IOSG::MARSHALLThu May 22 1997 12:0210
Using MTA sets and failing over to an MTA on a different node in the same
cluster is the most common way I know of doing this; you shouldn't need an
entirely different system.

Yes, network addresses do change between the two nodes, which is one of the
reasons I pointed out you need two different sets of startup scripts.  But the
use of MTA sets should make the address change transparent to the rest of your
routing domain.

Scott
2687.5FORTY2::PALKAThu May 29 1997 11:368
    I believe that the UCX cluster alias will not work for the DSA, as an
    inbound connection may be directed to the wrong node of the cluster.
    (I would like to be shown I am wrong !).
    
    You can define the DSA's presentation address to have multiple nsaps,
    one nsap for each node of the cluster.
    
    Andrew