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Conference iosg::all-in-1

Title:	ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:	Please spell ALL-IN-1 correctly - all CAPITALS!
Moderator:	IOSG::PYECE

Created:	Fri Jul 01 1994
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2716
Total number of notes:	12169

2607.0. "Displaying technical characters" by SNOFS1::JOYCEJENNY (Still crazy after all these years) Tue Apr 08 1997 04:14

    Chapter 4 of the ALL-IN-1 WPS-PLUS User's Reference talks about the
    Technical Character set and says "to display or print technical
    characters you must have the required hardware...Even if you have the
    required hardware, you may have to set your terminal differently or
    reset your system characteristics".
    
    Unfortuneatley it doesn't specify what the required hardware is, or
    what terminal or system characteristics need to be set to display the
    technical characters.
    
    Can anyone shed any light on what needs to be done to display them
    (printing works ok).
    
    
    Jenny Joyce

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
2607.1	Not much help but...	IOSG::ELLIOTTR	Russell Elliott	`Tue Apr 08 1997 10:43`	20
	Jenny, I believe it was left deliberately vague because there are many different types of display media and there would be even more introduced during the lifetime of the documentation. It was probable that any specifics would be either wrong, out of date or confusing at some stage. The required hardware would be a VT or a monitor (plus terminal emulator) capable of displaying all eight bit characters. Any terminal or system characteristics would be specific to the VT, monitor or terminal emulator. To confuse matters it is my experience that just because some eight bit characters are displayed correctly, doesn't mean that they all will be! HTH, Russ.
2607.2	What about SYSGEN parameterss	SNOFS1::JOYCEJENNY	Still crazy after all these years	`Wed Apr 09 1997 01:54`	14
	We're trying this on both VT340's and DECTERMS, and I believe both should be capable of displaying the 8-bit characters. Are there any SYSGEN parameters I should be checking out? The reason I ask is that I have a user who insists that it used to work in the previous version of ALL-IN-1 which we ran on a different cluster (hence different system parameters. He is a power user, and not the sort with whom I feel I should dismiss claims of "it used to work". BTW, he admits it never worked for all the characters, but says it definitely used to work for some of them. Jenny
2607.3	SYS$MANAGER:A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN.COM ??	IOSG::PYE	Graham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's Apprentice	`Wed Apr 09 1997 10:07`	2
	Has the new system got A1WPSPLUSLOGIN.COM in its SYLOGIN? And is it identifying a terminal that it knows about?
2607.4	Some more info...	IOSG::ELLIOTTR	Russell Elliott	`Wed Apr 09 1997 10:24`	20
	Jenny, The only setting I am aware of is the $set term/eight_bit. I don't know about there being any SYSGEN parameters (which doesn't mean there aren't any!). One thing to bare in mind is the difference between Reading and Editing. The sequences sent to the terminal are different. If you are in a WPS-PLUS edit session then most Technical characters are displayed as their fallback characters. When you Read the same document the characters _should_ be displayed correctly (assuming the terminal is set up correctly). To demonstrate this, pull the WPL$LIB:CHARACTER.WPL document into your filecab and read it. Near the end the technical character set is displayed. If this works OK now edit the document and see the difference. If the read doesn't work then there's still a problem with the terminal setup. Russ.
2607.5	A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN and WPKEYBOARD to set up terminal	COPCLU::ELIN	Elin Christensen @DMO, DTN 857-2406	`Wed Apr 09 1997 18:58`	15
	Both DECterms and VTs from VT200 and up can display technical characters in WPS-PLUS. If you execute these commands before entering ALL-IN-1, I think you'll succeed: $ @SYS$MANAGER:A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN.COM $! Put your own LLV language instead of DANISH in the next line: $ @OA$LIB:WPKEYBOARD KB_VT200_DANISH You can put the lines into your LOGIN.COM. Elin
2607.6	A few details	SHRMSG::HOWARD	Whoever it takes	`Wed Apr 09 1997 19:52`	21
	There were a lot of discussions about this in the WPS-PLUS conference many years ago. I don't think much has changed. The previous replies appear to be correct to me, but I thought I would throw in a few more details of what A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN is trying to do. There's a tricky logical that has to be defined for ALL-IN-1 to use TCS. It gets defined by A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN.COM. In addition, the TCS has to be in the terminal or emulator. If it isn't there by default, the terminal has to have the capability of loading it from the host (e.g., the VT220). Some terminals have the TCS loaded by default, and some do not. A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN.COM is supposed to "know" which ones do. My recollection is that VT220's and VT320's do not, but VT240's and VT330's do. I don't remember about VT400-class terminals, and you would have to check the documentation for terminal emulators on PC's. Some terminals, such as VT100's, cannot do TCS at all. I would assume this to be true of VT100 emulators. I think the DECterm emulators were covered in previous replies. Ben
2607.7	Fixed!	SNOFS1::JOYCEJENNY	Still crazy after all these years	`Thu Apr 10 1997 02:28`	14
	I've got it working to the user's satisfaction now. The problem was the A1WPSPLUS_LOGIN, but I'd tested that and it didn't seem to solve the problem - what threw me was that I was testing it from a DECterm by reading the message and couldn't see the TCS. Then I tried editing the document and the characters were all there! So then I got the user to check, and he could see them on both read and edit from his terminal. So I'd say the problem is solely with the DECterms, and when I mentioned this to the user he said "oh, no, it's never worked from a DECterm." I could have saved myself some greif if he'd told me that before. Thanks for everyone's help Jenny