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Conference iosg::all-in-1

Title:ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Please spell ALL-IN-1 correctly - all CAPITALS!
Moderator:IOSG::PYECE
Created:Fri Jul 01 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2716
Total number of notes:12169

2501.0. "0935E8BA Error from MR in Sender Log" by NETRIX::"Karl [email protected]" (Karl Strong) Wed Feb 05 1997 11:19

I have had a recurring problem.  A couple of times a week I will get hundreds
of mails overnight in the Manager account like this :-


                                        Date:     05-Feb-1997 01:05 GMT
                                        From:     Mail Postmaster
                                                  POSTMASTER
                                        Dept:
                                        Tel No:

TO:  System Manager                       ( MANAGER )

Subject: Send Failure Notification

ALL-IN-1 was unable to send a message to Message Router. It has been removed

from the sender queue and placed in the following files :-

        Envelope - OA_SYS:[ALLIN1.DATA_SHARE]ZWRT1IW8K.NBS;
 
       Message  - OA_SYS:[ALLIN1.DATA_SHARE]ZWRT1IW8F.NBS;1

------------------------------------ BOTTOM
------------------------------------



The MTI$ERROR log looks like this :-

                                              ALL-IN-1 IOS Sender/Fetcher
Error*
                                                  Created:  5-FEB-1997
01:04:55.


 5-FEB-1997 01:04:55     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:02     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:11     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:13     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:13     'Default Sender'

  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:13     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:14     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:14     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 01:05:14     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR

also :-

  %EMD-I-SEND_COUNT_EXCE, SENDER re-try count exceeded
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:03     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-I-SEND_COUNT_EXCE, SENDER re-try count exceeded

 5-FEB-1997 08:08:06     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-I-SEND_COUNT_EXCE, SENDER re-try count exceeded
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:18     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:18     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:18     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:18     'Default Sender'

  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:19     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:19     'Default Sender'

  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:19     'Default Sender'
  %EMD-E-POSTERR, Error posting message - 0935E8BA returned from MR
 5-FEB-1997 08:08:19     'Default Sender'

  %EMD-I-SEND_COUNT_EXCE, SENDER re-try count exceeded
 5-FEB-1997 08:09:09     'Default Sender'


Analysing the removed .NBS files only show valid off node addreses.  
The quick fix is to STOP/RESTART the SENDER.  The problem stops.

The Version of ALL-IN-1 is :-
 ALL-IN-1 IOS Server for OpenVMS V3.1 BL121 BRITISH 17-JUN-1994

The Remote MR Version is:-
MRMAN V3.3-313

exit %X0935E8BA
brings up :-
%NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 0935E8BA


I had suspected a dodgy autoforward because we are migrating to exchange.  And
Indeed
on investigation I found some invalid autoforwards that when mailed created a
one off "Sender retry count exceeded" but did not create constant errors every
few minutes.

Has anyone seen the  0935E8BA error before ?

Thanks in advance,
Karl.






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2501.1Resources problemZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEWed Feb 05 1997 11:3012
$ set mess SYS$COMMON:[SYSMSG]MRAPPMSG.EXE;1
$ exit %X0935E8BA
%MRIF-E-SYSERROR, system interface error

From the MRIF book:

This error message relates to system resources. Look in the Message Router 
error log MRERR.INF [which is in MR$:] for a second message, which will be an 
error described in VMS System Messages and Recovery Procedures Reference 
Manual.

grahame
2501.2insufficient virtual memoryNETRIX::"Karl [email protected]"Karl StrongWed Feb 05 1997 14:3541
Thanks Grahame,

In the MRERR.INF at the same time as the SENDER errors :-


%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010453    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-OPSYS, System interface error
-LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual  memory
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010455    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010458    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010500    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010501    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-OPSYS, System interface error
-LIB-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual memory
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010501    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970205010503    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOT*
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"


Time to find out who 'borrowed' our VMS System Messages and Recovery
Procedures Reference Manual.


Regards,
Karl.
CCS Reading.



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2501.3ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOWed Feb 05 1997 15:0811
    From your examination of the netserver log file, how long had the
    mrlisten been running//how many messages had it processed?
    
    I seem to recall a small memory leak (10-20 bytes?) in mrlisten on 
    an error path, which unfortunately ALL-IN-1 exercizes every time it 
    processes an auto-forward message (see note 817.1 for details).
    
    So lot's of auto-forwarded messages over a single very long duration
    connection will eventually make mrlisten get sick (insvirmem).
    
    Dave
2501.4PGFLQUOTA Increase ?NETRIX::"Karl [email protected]"Karl StrongThu Feb 06 1997 13:439
Thanks Dave,

The processes had only been up for 3-4 days.  Closing/restarting MR more often
should avoid this memory leak ?  Will increasing MBMANAGER PGFLQUOTA extend
the amount of time before running out of Virtual Memory ?

Regards,
Karl.
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2501.5ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOFri Feb 07 1997 13:089
    If you want to try tweaks on the MR node, you want the MRNET account,
    but raising pgflquota has implications (virtualpagecnt sysgen param,
    actual pagefile size and consumption...).
    
    Or simply restart the ALL-IN-1 sender periodically (nightly?). Yours
    is only the second site I've heard of to run into this; they must have
    a large volume of auto-forwarding going on to hit this in 3-4 days...
    
    Dave
2501.6Its getting worse !NETRIX::"Karl [email protected]"Karl StrongFri Feb 07 1997 15:42108
Thanks Dave,

We got the error 1day after restarting the sender on WOTVAX yesterday.  System
has about 400 off node Autoforwards.


You can tell how busy the autoforwards are by the frequency of the code "M"
errors from WOTVAX


RG71RW> typ/tail/cont mr$:mrerr.inf

%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150454    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes
sage
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150708    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes
sage
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150738    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes
sage
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150742    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes
sage
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150748    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes
sage
%MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150752    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes
sage
MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"
%MROUTER-I-FAILOG_LSTN_S, 19970207150755    The application, ALLIN1 on node
WOTVAX, identified to mailbox A1WOTVAX, is sending a mes

sage
MROUTER-E-MSEMANT, Message semantics unacceptable with code "M"


This is the MRNET account :-

RG71RW> mc authorize sho mrnet

Username: MRNET                            Owner: 
Account:  HV6 DC                           UIC:    [351,4] ([DECNET,MRNET])
CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES
Default:  DISK$NETWORK_12:[MB$.MR.SCR]
LGICMD:   SYS$SYSTEM:MB$MRNET
Flags:  DisCtlY Restricted DisMail
Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
Secondary days:                     Sat Sun
rimary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222
Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123
Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######
Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------
Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------
Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------
Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------

Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum: 14   Login Fails: 11386
Pwdlifetime:           (none)    Pwdchange:  29-NOV-1995 15:12
Last Login: 14-MAR-1995 19:50 (interactive),  7-FEB-1997 15:15
(non-interactive)
Maxjobs:        50  Fillm:        80  Bytlm:        60000
Maxacctjobs:    50  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0
Maxdetach:      50  BIOlm:        50  JTquota:       1024
Prclm:           2  DIOlm:        12  WSdef:         1024
Prio:            4  ASTlm:        80  WSquo:         8192
ueprio:         0  TQElm:        20  WSextent:     16384
CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      6000  Pgflquo:      20000

This is the virtual page param :-

RG71RW> mc sysgen sho virt
Parameter Name            Current    Default     Min.     Max.     Unit 
Dynamic
--------------            -------    -------    -------  -------   ---- 
-------
VIRTUALPAGECNT             532288      12032       512   4194304 Pages


RG71RW> sho mem/page





Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    Modified
  Main Memory (256.00Mb)          524288      269889      248346        6053
Virtual I/O Cache Usage (pages):   Total        Free      In Use     Maximum
 Cache Memory                     20924        2018       18906       66389

Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     Swapped
  Process Entry Slots                420         274         146           0
  Balance Set Slots                  333         189         144           0

Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     Largest
  Nonpaged Dynamic Memory       19999744    11095680     8904064     7509952
  Paged Dynamic Memory          10413568     7200400     3213168     7041632


Paging File Usage (pages):                      Free  Reservable       Total
  DISK$NETWORK_12:[PAGE_AND_SWAP.RG71RW]PAGEFILE.SYS;1
 
                                             108801       75260      119992
 
 DISK$NETWORK_12:[PAGE_AND_SWAP.RG71RW]PAGEFILE2.SYS;1
                                              282864      192315      299992
 
DISK$NETWORK_12:[PAGE_AND_SWAP.RG71RW]PAGEFILE3.SYS;1
 
                                             373691      254563      399992

f the physical pages in use, 92556 pages are permanently allocated to VMS.

Regards,
Karl.
CCS Reading.
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2501.7ACISS2::LENNIGDave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYOFri Feb 07 1997 17:3013
    400 sounds way to low; are you sure about the count?
    
    Are you sure your sender restart actually disconnected the link to
    the mrlisten process? This should cause the image to exit, and thus
    the new link would get a 'fresh' listener invocation.
    
    Is pgflquota for the mrnet account low?
    Is virtualpagcnt on the MR system low?
    
    The last time I saw this (an internal MTS machine) the count was
    somewhere around 30,000 before it fell over (as I recall).
    
    Dave
2501.8check noone has Autofirward to themselvesIOSG::COTTINGHAMAlan CottinghamThu Feb 13 1997 08:465
    I seem to remember this error occurring if a user had AutoForward set
    to themselves (remotely). 
    
    Regards
    Alan
2501.9Thanks.NETRIX::"Karl [email protected]"Karl StrongMon Mar 03 1997 10:258
Re .5

Changed the quotas as suggested and killed off some dodgy autoforwards.  Our
problem seems to have gone away.  Thanks for the help.

Regards,
Karl.
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