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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

2143.0. "I dont want her gone just disciplined" by FABSIX::TR_TAYLOR () Tue May 20 1997 08:44

    Mods I didn't quite know where to put this please put where you see fit

    My fiancee and I have just moved into a new apartment, the house that
    the apartment is in was owned by my Grandparents. they lived the the
    apartment that I now live in for nearly 40 years. My grandmother died
    in this apartment she actually demanded to die at home so to home her
    daughters brought her to die. Well I have lived in this building for
    the last 6 years in a different apt, and never really had a
    problem,until now. I am having things disappear, and turn up a week
    or so later no where near where we had put them, a set of speakers for
    the stereo were missing for 2 weeks we had put them in the spot that we
    had wanted them then they vanished when I did find them they were in a
    box that hadn't been unpacked yet it was still taped up as a mater of
    fact and I had packed that box 3 weeks BEFORE we moved!! and the last 2
    nights when we have been at work someone or thing has messed with the
    stove timer when we get home in the morning its going off. I have had
    the feeling of someone in my laundry room looking through the glass
    door at me but when I turn to look I see nothing, now don't get me wrong
    I am sure its my Grandmother and I don't want her gone unless she wants
    to go but she is worrying me with the stove thing. and get this I know
    why she is doing all this...She died of a heart condition which she had
    suffered with for a looooong time. Her house had always been a
    non-smoking house as a matter of fact once she died my grandfather,who
    smoked cigars and a pipe, still smoked out on the front porch. We smoke
    and aren't all that great at remembering not to smoke in the house. So I
    think she is sorta retaliating. I have told my mother (who chats with
    grandma often) to tell her to cut it out but my mother just laughs at
    me and tells me "well don't smoke in her house" I have tried to "talk"
    to gram but I just cant bring myself to do it I guess we are just gonna
    have to smoke on the porch from now on...


    liven with my mothers mother
    Tree
    
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2143.1WMOIS::CONNELLNo one noticed the cat.Tue May 20 1997 10:0221
    Yes, you will probably have to smoke on the porch from now on. Better
    yet, try very, very, VERY hard to quit. Maybe Gram is sending a
    message. My Grandfather watched over me for years after he had passed
    over. 
    
    Talk to her. Tell her she is loved and remembered and will always be
    loved and remembered, but she should move on to the next phase of
    existence, whatever you or she believed it to be. That may not be the
    reality, but it's OK she'll get it right. Ask her if there is a reason
    that she's staying behind and to have her help you discover what it is
    and to get it resolved. 
    
    I don't wish to frighten, but if things start getting worse, then you
    probably need a professional to come in and "cleanse" the house or
    bless it, if that is your desire. Just go into this with Perfect Love
    in your heart and soul and things should work out. Love really is the
    key.
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ
2143.2WMOIS::CONNELLNo one noticed the cat.Tue May 20 1997 10:1311
    Oh yes, one other thing. Please don't think of it as discipline, as in
    your title. That is not the way to go into this. It can be most
    dangerous. Discipline requires control, usually through force or
    cajoling or even punishment and while that may work on small children
    or military recruits, it ain't gonna work on a ghost and could let you
    in for more then you bargained for. So as in my last reply, only Love
    will work here. Provided it is indeed your Grandmother's spirit.
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ
2143.3my two centsBGSDEV::RAMSAYTue May 20 1997 10:3514
    Hi, Tree.  Hi, PJ.  Tree,  my suggestion is that you ask your
    grandmother or whoever it is to simply please leave you alone and leave
    your space (your apartment).  You can also say an affirmation such as
    "I AM divinely guided and protected" if you like whenever you feel a
    presence.  That's what we did with the ghosts that were supposed to be
    living in our current apartment that we moved into about 6 weeks ago (I
    wrote about it elsewhere in this file) and neither my husband nor I have
    been bothered at all.  Our landlady downstairs, however, says "her"
    (first floor) ghost is still there as well as the second-floor ghost
    (we live upstairs) making an appearance every now and then.  She
    doesn't mind the ghosts.
    
      *Stella* (a smoker who smokes in her own space)
                              
2143.4DONT trap me on the dresser!!!FABSIX::TR_TAYLORTue May 20 1997 22:2028
    Thank you all for the advice. She was good last night and didn't mess
    with the stove we also only smoked on the porch. I like that she is
    there, and yes I am sure it is my grandmother I can almost see her face, 
    She and I always had gotten along and when she died, I was a hair dresser 
    and she asked me to do her hair once she had died.So I did I trust in her
    and know she wouldn't do anything to bring harm to myself or my son(whom
    she never got to see I was 6 months pregnant with him when she died he
    was her 1st Great grandchild) The funny thing is ,and I had forgotten
    about this, that my cousin had lived in this apt for the last 4 years
    and never really had a problem, my mother told me on Easter that she
    had my grandparents earn(sp) dug up and moved. My mother wasn't happy
    with the placement of the earn when they finally buried them and
    therefore had it relocated on the same plot. Finally Buried them? my
    grandmother died in 1990, and my grandfather "kept" her in his room, in
    the earn of course. They never went any where with out each other and it
    was bad enough, in her eyes, that she was going to have to "leave" him
    "behind" so it was her insistence that she not be buried until he had
    passed and they could be buried together. He would take the earn with him 
    to the beach and on day trips. When he finally died in 1993 he was put
    into the earn with my grandmother and the earn was taken to mothers
    house where they "sat" until the fall of 1995. My mother and her
    sisters finally had them buried and then mom had them "reburied" I
    wonder if this has anything to do with it all I mean no problems until
    I move in??? O-well I know this much if I gotta smoke on the porch I
    will and when it gets cold Im sure I will be cutting down....

    Tree 
    
2143.5BGSDEV::RAMSAYWed May 21 1997 11:395
    Tree, I love the story about the urn.  How wonderful!  What a nice idea
    to be buried together, and your grandfather taking the urn with him on
    outings.
    
      *Stella*
2143.6CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageTue May 27 1997 17:3021
    Goodness!
    
    sounds like my family.  We found black-gram's Frank's urn buried in her
    closet after she had moved off this planet.  My white gram and my dad
    are currently parked at mom's house, until she lets me scatter them in
    their preferred locations or she starts body-shopping and I spend three
    days scattering ashes around the state.  (Dad and WG want to be on
    opposite sides of the peak, and mom at the headwaters of the Rio
    Grande.  since she is physically ioncapable of getting up on the parts
    of the peak dad and her mom want to be on, and she insists on being
    there....  the only way I will manage it is with her in an urn.
    
    We have my grandmothers chest of drawers and desk in our room.  My
    Frank doesn't mind clothes in the chest of drawers, but after having
    had checks and other things "disappear" for hours after being left in my
    desk, he has his own space to put his stuff in.  BG's sense of humor
    about money isn't one he handles well.  
    
    You may want to talk to your gram and see what she really wants.  
    
    meg