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Note 2039.8            Hua Hu Ching - teachings of Lao Tzu               8 of 10
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    	One of the more interesting differences between eastern (oriental)
    religions (philosphies) and western religions (so called civilization)
    is the concept of duality of the universe (western good vs. evil) and
    the oriental concept of ying/ yang (the universe as all emcompassing
    of mixed forces).  We western Civvies are always very tough on
    ourselves as to conquering over evil, the devil, original sin!  Talk
    about a no win situation, original sin: God's Catch 22!
    BillM
    
    

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    >One of the more interesting differences between eastern
    >(oriental) religions (philosphies) and western religions 
    >(so called civilization)
    
     ;-) The east never really thought the west has reached any
    level of civilization yet ;-) Mainly because of the European
    approach of conquering and converting any civilization that
    the Europeans could not understand and manipulate, be it Asian, 
    African, Australian and Native North & South American. Pretty 
    barbaric, naive and sad. The European religion is a convenient 
    scapegoat for carrying out the invasions and genocides.
    
    
    Eva

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    Re: .-1   
    
    Hmmm.    Yeah, well......
    
    Bob

    Re: .2
    	Hmmmm, well let's not toss out the western civvie baby with the bath
    water. Remember, the Judeo-Christian influence started in the Fertile
    Crescent and basically swept into northern Europe only after being
    Romanized. Prehistoric Europe remained fairly peaceful peopled by
    earth worshipping hunter-gatherers until the mobile tribes from the
    Asiactic steppes brought the horse and domination to Europe. Amber,
    tin, and other trade goods were traded from the Baltic to Sardinia.
    That old culture was swept away and lost much like the way the
    indigenous peoples of the Americas were conquered.  BillM

    
    re .4
    
    Agree.
    
    
    Eva

...they seeem to hit right home.

Oh, by the way, I'm back --- as a contractor, so I won't be entering much.
But it's nice to be able to read once in a while and know that you're here.

	june

    2039.*
    
    sheesh!!! these are getting harder and harder ....
    
    8-(
    
    ric

    
    They tend to get really interesting - and even fun - around 69 or so.
    
    Stay tuned!
    
    Cindy

    >They tend to get really interesting - and even fun - around 69 or so.
    							  ^^^^^^^^^
    
    oo-er!
    8^)
    
    ric
    (sorry! couldn't resist that)

    
    Yes - you got it right - that is *exactly* the direction they take!
                 
    The author of this book clearly has a great sense of humour, timing
    and placement.
    
    Cindy

    .10
    
    yowza!
    
    but but but ... i'm only here till 16 June - can't you put in three a
    day?  8^)
    
    rats - i'll have to go buy this i think
    
    ric

    Re.11
        
    Hahahaha!!!!!
    
    Well then, just for you, I'll enter #69 just before you depart.  (;^)
    Or send it offline.  As the Master might suggest - it is necessary to 
    first practice the discipline that the ones preceding it give. [Sounds 
    good, yes???  (;^)]
    
    Btw, I'm going to start deleting the earlier ones here soon due to 
    copyright laws, etc...can't have significant chunks of a book in a 
    conference at any one time.
    
    Cindy
    

I can see that I'm going to have to buy this book.

Reply 20 was totally awesome!

	june

    Cindy, thanks for finally getting to these parts.  I've been enjoying
    it all and love this, too.
    
    *Stella*
    with an especially radiant virtue

    Well I totally agree with all of the entries, especially that last one.
    :-)
    
    Godd work Cindy,
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ

    re 2039.33
    
    omigoodgawd - that was all i had anticipated AND MORE!
    
    yikes!!
    
    ric

    hahahahahaha!!!
    
    Cindy, got any more?  We're waiting ...
    
    :-)

    
    Oh you guys are Sooooo Bad.....(;^)  Badbadbadbad!  
    
    Just like the old DEJAVU days!  I love it!  
    
    Ric - glad to be of assistance to you in your last days with us.  
    (;^)  Btw - feel free to leave your contact info in the file if 
    you'd like to - note #1934.  
    
    No - you'll just have to wait now until we reach that section of 
    the book linearly.  (Though actually, that one really was the most 
    comprehensive on that particular topic...)
    
    Cindy

    .18
    
    actually, i have been asked to return (!?!??) for three weeks later on
    either late July or August
    
    by which time you will have reached some more err umm interesting bits
    8^O
    
    ric

    
    Re.19
    
    Ric,
    
    After that entry in 1220 in FLEX, there will be no more interesting
    bits entered in here for you!  (;^)  (;^)  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    >After that entry in 1220 in FLEX, there will be no more interesting
    >bits entered in here for you!  (;^)  (;^)  (;^)
    
    
    that's not fair!!
    
    that's a different aspect of my multi-faceted being. as soon as i type
    "open dejavu" i ascend to a higher plane above the realms of the flesh.
    
    well, err, something like that! 8^)
    
    see you in three or so weeks
    
    ric

    oh, and don't you mean 207? 1220 is totally innocuous (unless you are
    *really* bizarre)
    
    ric

    
    My goodness - thanks for the pointer - you're right, that's even better!  
    (;^)
    
    Cindy

    
    
    >that's a different aspect of my multi-faceted being. as soon as i
    >type,,,
    
    Yea right, that's what they all say.  0(;^)  >(B^}
    
    Cindy

    ok, where's this FLEX file?

...because I think it's so good.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention,
Cindy.
 It really lifts my spirit.

	june

    
    You're quite welcome, June.  It is such an inspiring book.
    
    Cindy

    Well, I finally found a copy of these teachings. remember, Cindy, I
    told you that I couldn't find it in Barnes & Noble? (or anywhere else)
    You suggested the Hobbitt Doorway to order it. (Sneaky plug there :-) )
    
    I was in B & N last week and there it was. (A not unusual occurence for
    me to find a book that wasn't readily available a few days before.
    However, with the $17.00 price tag, I couldn't get it at that time.
    Promising to come back the next weekend. However, I happened to be in
    the Booksmith in the Nashua Mall on Sunday, and there it was again. A
    little cheaper but not much. What I did find was a different
    translation. This one by Hua-Ching Ni. Published by Shambhala books.
    The format is slightly different. Instead of verse style, it's done as
    lessons from a Venerable Master/Teacher to a group of students led by
    an Exalted Prince. I've been comparing my book to your entries and they
    are much the same in content, while being different in style. The
    message comes across though.
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ

    By way of comparison, I'll enter #'s 24 and 25. I know that you've
    already deleted #24, but #25 flows from #24 and may help.
    
    Please don't delete #25 right away, so that folks may compare the two
    styles. Thanks, Cindy.
    
    #24 
    
    "The prince addressed the master once again. 'Venerable Teacher,
    according to the Universal Way, when one attains subtle universal
    awareness he should not label it an achievement. Is that correct?'
    
    the master kindly answered, 'Yes, this is very true, dear prince. I
    have received nothing from the attainment of unconditional awareness.
    Awareness of the integral nature of the universe is indescribable; it
    cannot be contained by any word or name. If a person thinks in terms of
    attaining something, that means he believes there is something to
    obtain or achieve external to his own nature. It means that he fails to
    realize that his own true nature is the integral nature of the universe
    itself.' "
    
    #25
    
    "The master continued, 'Moreover, kind prince, the Integral One in the
    equality of the nature of all things. In reality, nothing is high or
    low. To be aware of this is to know the Universal Way.
    
    'When one has no awareness of self or others or of life and death, and
    when one lives one's life with sincerity, then every moment and every
    activity are an expression of the bondage-free truth. It is no longer
    necessary to attain a transcendental awareness of the integral nature
    of the universe.
    
    'Kind prince, all spiritual paths are not true paths that can lead one
    to the Integral realm of universal oneness. People may call them
    spiritual, but in reality they are only mental constructs. Follow only
    the Universal Way, enbrace only Oneness, and ignore all divergence."
    
    It goes on from there with sometimes the Prince making observations and
    sometimes the Master teaching lessons. 
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ 
    

    re 2039.76 Cindy, I think the first part of this one answers the famous
    eternal question of which came first, the chicken or the egg. :-)
    
    At last, at last, an answer.
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ