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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

2013.0. "please, help me interpret a dream" by ROM01::CENCI () Mon Nov 28 1994 04:24

    
    
    Hello,
    
    hope you'll be able to help me understand my "weird dream".
    Actually this dream (nightmare?) terrified me a few years ago,
    and it was the first and only time in my life. I'm not the
    kind of man who believes in "flying donkeys", wizards, and the
    like.
    
    I spent my childhood in Montreal. There I attended the primary schools.
    One of my schoolfellows was a "strange" girl. I thought she was
    strange because my parents believed so. For a child probably nobody
    is "strange". My mother used to say that that tight-lipped girl
    had a terrible way of staring you in the face, which literally 
    gave her the shivers.
    
    10 years after, in 1974, I went back to Canada to visit my relatives there.
    I had gone shopping when suddenly I came across her. Immediately I 
    recognized her; her look hadn't changed at all. We decided to have
    dinner together. When the dinner ended, I offered to see her home.
    She lived in a neighborhood quite a long way from downtown.
    
    When we parted, she "simply" said with a grin I'll never forget:" See
    you in Rome then". I can't explain why, but I was scared to death.
    It had never happened in my life! And I don't believe my uneasiness
    was due to the terrible food you eat in Montreal :-)).
    
    
    My friends, who live there, and who knew her very well, after
    a few months didn't hear of her and her family any more. Her family
    simply "vanished", and she didn't inform anyone that she would
    leave.
    
    
    13 years later, in 1987, I had just joined DEC, I had a freightening
    nightmare. I had the terrifying view of her "smile". I was all of a
    sweat, and my wife still tells me that she had never seen me so
    scared.
    
    Now I wonder how these things may happen. I had totally forgotten
    that person.
    
    
    Fabio
    
    
    
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2013.2Its enough to scare anyone..!!BHUNA::SWRIGHTUno CoCa Cola PorfavorThu Dec 01 1994 02:483
    I Think joining DEC may have caused this nightmare...!!
    
    *:@)
2013.3Hey, .2, maybe you're right!ROMEOS::TREBILCOT_ELThu Dec 01 1994 15:257
    re: .2
    
    Not so far off.  I've been able to trace quite a few of my own
    nightmares to working here at DEC and what was going on (stress?  What
    stress?) here...
    
    
2013.4DEC was not so scaring,.....thenROM01::CENCIMon Dec 05 1994 09:2013
    Certainly DEC contributed to the stress. And, now that I think of
    it....that girl looked like my former Head of Personnel. Same grin,
    same teeth dripping blood....her name was Drac....and she was from
    Transilv....
    
    
    
    Thanks for dispelling my fears.
    
    
    
    
    
2013.5WarningDNEAST::BOUDREAU_JOEWed Dec 07 1994 06:5717
    
    	You may want to pass this off in a laughing manner as to dispell
    your fear. But do you remember the smile that caused you to sweat? 
    Can you feel the blood pounding in your head? Don't put off intense
    fear so easily.
    	When she said "See you in Rome" , she meant that. You will see 
    her again. In dreams or in what we refer to as "waking", she will
    reveal a little more each time. These are one of the games They love 
    to play. 
    	You, my friend, have been touched by the Undead. You will meet
    her soon. Beware. The mystery she brings to unravel before you will
    only lead to ruin. 
    	There is a certain cemetary in Rome, I forget the name, where I 
    too met a lady.....
    	But that is another story. 
    
    Good Luck
2013.6Undead????58379::BUCCIONEWed Dec 07 1994 10:471
    RE .5 Give me a break,please
2013.7mod requestTNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonWed Dec 07 1994 15:188
    
    Re.6 (Buccione)
    
    While I respect healthy skepticism, this notes conference tends more 
    toward being a place where alternative views of this universe/creation 
    are welcome and encouraged without disdain.
    
    Cindy
2013.8Dreams are just dreamsROMEOS::TREBILCOT_ELThu Dec 08 1994 12:5987
    re:  the last couple
    
    yeah but sometimes dreams are just that...dreams
    sometimes they are our bodies/subconscious trying to tell us things
    In fact, more often than not that is the case
    
    I wouldn't get this person all upset thinking and dreading the rest of
    their lives, living in fear over what may very well be absolutely
    nothing!
    
    I have nightmares almost every single night and have for the last
    several years.  This has increased the stress in my life a thousand
    fold because I can't seem to get a decent night's sleep
    
    However, I do not feel that in the dreams I've had (which I've placed
    in other topics in this conference) about dead cats, houses filled with
    dead poeple I'm trying to hide, etc, are anything more than reflections
    of what is going on in my life.  I do not feel it  means that I will
    become a psycho-killer and start hiding the bodies, it does not mean I
    will start butchering cats...
    
    I know that after I've seen a movie, or had a conversation, at times, a
    dream will be triggered.
    
    The employees at DEC are probably some of the most stressed-out people
    on the face of the planet due to what's going on here and the fact
    we're all doing our best to weather the storm.  This is just work, the
    place where we spend between 8 - 15 (or more) hours a day.  This does
    not count the stress that is going on in our personal lives, with
    family, friends, finances, whatever.
    
    That stress needs an outlet.  
    
    If you think about it, how many people come to work every day and
    complain all day long, "Woah is me," and let that stress out?  Actually
    many many of us keep it in.  We don't take our work stress home and
    take it out on our loved ones (spouse, children, friends, pets) so
    where does that stress go?  It gets buried, set on a "back burner"
    until we feel we can deal with it.  Problem is, often times it goes on
    and on and we never get around to dealing with it.  But the stress is
    still there.
    
    The body will find a way to give this stress an outlet.  For some
    people the body gets sick, for others, the minds and/or emotions get
    sick.  For some, like myself, the stress pours out in the form of a
    nightmare.
    
    I'm not over-simplifying here and saying that all dreams are nothing
    more than a stress-outlet.  I know better than all that.
    
    However, I don't recall mention that the woman in the basenote is dead? 
    Just because people haven't heard from her doesn't mean she's deceased.
    
    I also don't recall reading anything that made her seem like a
    particularly horrible and/or threatening person.  Strange, maybe. 
    Spooky, maybe.  Threatening?  I didn't see that from the basenote.
    
    Having experienced dreams from relatives who have died, as I mentioned
    in other notes also, I can say this sounds nothing like it.  Although I
    was afraid in my dreams, and even said to them, "You can't be
    here...you're dead," still they did not leave me terrified.
    
    I find no evidence to lead that this woman is dead and is trying to
    send him some message.  For all we know she is living somewhere with a
    husband and kids.
    
    This conference is for thoughts, views, ideas.  No one KNOWS anything
    for certain.  We have feelings about things, but that is about as far
    as it goes.
    
    .5:  Unless you can illustrate WHY this is proof this woman is talking 
         to him from the grave, I wouldn't be so CERTAIN that is what is
         going on
    
    .6:  I'm with you...
    
    .7:  I can see your point but I don't believe in making unfounded
         statements which may cause unnecessary panic in someone who is
         already worried.
    
    I'm sure we all know what it's like to  be frightened by a nightmare. 
    We want reassurance (no matter how old we get) not confirmation that
    we're damned
    
    (just my .07 cents worth)
    
    
2013.9Planet EarthPOLAR::BUCCIONEFri Dec 09 1994 08:423
    .8: Thank you.
    
    .7: What's your point?
2013.10no, please, I already have a ghost in my family!!ROM01::CENCIFri Dec 09 1994 09:4951
    Hope I haven't stirred the blood!
     
    I must confess that I had never contemplated the possibility of being
    contacted by an "undead"! 
    I wrote the base note because that was the first and only time that 
    something "unexpected" occurred to me.
    
    It is true what a colleague said in previous replies: I don't know 
    whether my former school-friend is still alive; no one knows actually.
    And I didn't want to imply that she was a beloved member of the Addams
    family! She (and her family) simply severed all ties, I gather.
    But I don't believe that overwork was the reason for my panic either!
    DEC was then a very successful company, and my job was not stressing
    me that much. I also tend to rule out that Montreal's
    hot climate sapped the body and brain of a "lowlander" like me!
     
    I can only remember the unpleasant feeling of uneasiness I and my 
    parents sensed when she was around (and she was only a baby, then). 
    No one ever wanted to invite her to a party, but a few good-hearted 
    families like mine.
     
    But I had already forgot everything about that girl, or, at least, so I 
    believed. What I cannot explain is why THAT person with her "smile" 
    and her curious "stare" resurfaced so wildly long time after we had met. 
    
    The colleague who hinted at the undead has his personal views about the
    fact, that I don't (can't possibly) agree with, though I'm curious and
    respectful of all opinions. We know so little of the universe(s) we
    live in after all, and the same holds true for our brain and mental
    processes.
    She's not hunting me, by all means. It just happened once, and I was
    scared for reasons I cannot make sense of. And I cannot portray her
    smile using simple words: it was unusual, and that's all. But there
    was something "radiating" from her that made you feel like being 
    hundreds of kms. away. 
    
    I think it more likely that some (very few, thanks God) people can exert 
    sorts of "negative" influence on their fellow-creatures.
    
    I believe that scientists must still put forward sensible theories on the
    subject.
    
    
    
    Fabio
    
    
    P.S. The wittiest remark I've heard so far on my dream was my wife's: 
    "Dear, now I know why you were so scared by her: she was French-speaking 
    like me!"
    I immediately recovered from the stress.
2013.11Hey, stir it a little more!ROMEOS::TREBILCOT_ELFri Dec 09 1994 16:2313
    re: -1
    
    Stirring the blood is one of the beauties of this notesfile!  We come
    here to share opinions, beliefs, ask questions, and not be put down for
    it!  Where else can you do that but among friends?  Those who won't
    judge you for what you believe?
    
    By bringing your experience here you opened up the forum for discussion
    and that is what ensued
    
    I think it's great!
    
    
2013.12TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonFri Dec 09 1994 19:506
    
    Re.9
    
    See note .11.
    
    Cindy
2013.13UNDEAD???FABBIT::T_SULLIVANMon Dec 19 1994 20:166
    
    	When you are talking about the UNDEAD, are you referring to
    Vampires, or some other entity?  I've known some really spooky
    people, but I would never have classified them as "Undead".
    
    	Terry
2013.14heid fu' 'o jeelyPAKORA::DWALLACEDigirolaThu Dec 29 1994 10:415
    The only undead thing he he experienced was:
    
     tucked into his boxer shorts.
    
    Dawvit.   :*)