Conference hydra::dejavu

    
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                                  Tornado Dream
    
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    The Following is my intrepretation:
    
    Our  plant  will close in December  this  year  and  each  employee  has
    received a notice of that fact.  We now await our second notice which is
    essentially a 60 Day notice of Termination, after  which we will receive
    our TSFO Package.
    
    I believe the 60 tornados of my dream represent  the  impending  60 days
    and that the last one will seem deafeningly torrential to  me.   Also, a
    note on the last one -- I may have an opportunity(?)  to  stay  with the
    company  but  I'll  have to move across the US, do I want  to  ride  the
    torrential winds/tornado/(digital)?   I  guess not since I stayed on the
    ground.

    The crossroads is simple due to the fact that this  is  now the time for
    job searching and there are so many choices.  The groups  of  people who
    greet  me in the crossroads are the network and supportive people in  my
    life who give me moral support during this time of transition.
    
    The  two  young  women represent "furtile" companies who want to start a
    job relationship  and  the  flowers  are  the offers I am to chose from.
    Flowers are from plants (and I'm leaving the ABO "Plant");  also flowers
    are the highest most  productive  part  of the plant, so I feel that the
    offers will be "tasty" due to the fact that I ate them.
    
    Still, there are some odd points:
    
    * Why eat the flowers and not just smell them?
    
    * Is the last tornado that symbolic?
    
    * Why did I do  a  U-turn  with  the  car  and  "luckily" park under the
      outcropping and face back towards the village?
    
    * Who is the village, could it be ABO?
    
    * Why did I nap?
    
   
    This was a curious dream for me;   I've  had  tornado  dreams before and
    they usually have a strong, clear message for me  --  and I believe I've
    nipped this one except for the few oddities mentioned above.  So, if you
    have any thoughts to the above I'd really be please to hear them.
    
    Regards,
    
    Anthony
    

	I'll take a quick shot, Anthony.
	
>    * Why eat the flowers and not just smell them?

	You need to eat to stay alive. You can't go without a job.
	
>    * Is the last tornado that symbolic?

	The last is always the end.
	
>    * Why did I do  a  U-turn  with  the  car  and  "luckily" park under the
>      outcropping and face back towards the village?

	Because you follow your inner voice.
	
>    * Who is the village, could it be ABO?

	Could be. You may have already "left" despite the fact you still
	have 60 days.
	
>    * Why did I nap?

	You do not have a sense of urgency. You trust in the universe.
	
	These are all just wild guesses that came to me very quickly and
	without a lot of "analysis".
	
	Jay

Jay,  thanks for your insight.  I guess my questions are somewhat simplistic,
but they stemmed from feeling I had about these particular elements of my
dream, both during and afterwards, and I really appreciate your viewpoint
which helps bring closure to some of these issues -- I'll explain:

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�>    * Why eat the flowers and not just smell them?

�        You need to eat to stay alive. You can't go without a job.

This is a very basic message, I never really think about a job being so
strongly connected to the basic needs of life; I think of a job as being more
a means for demonstrating our skills.  The phrase, "most people in America is
no more than a few paychecks from being homeless", drives this feeling about
the importance of a job too severly in the realm of dread and doom -- this
sentiment I'm hearing alot here in ABO.  (Of course, there are many optimistic
folks here, but the doomsayers are a bit louder, too bad.)  When in the dream
I was placing the flower in my mouth I was very aware that I was doing
something very weird, but noone in the dream thought it wrong -- I was 
puzzled by the message.

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�>    * Is the last tornado that symbolic?

�        The last is always the end.
    
Yes, I'm still wondering what the last day will be like.  People here in the
plant are jokingly saying, "Will, that last one out turn out the lights!"
But everyone is on edge thinking that Albuquerque has suddenly been deluged
with 400+ more job seekers; and Digital pay is quite above the average pay
here.  Historically, there hasn't been very much high tech jobs here, but
recently we have Intel expanding, Sumitomo and Intuit moving in.  But the
thought that something is coming to an end makes me feel still/hushed.

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�>    * Why did I do  a  U-turn  with  the  car  and  "luckily" park under the
�>      outcropping and face back towards the village?

�        Because you follow your inner voice.
    
This is very curious.  Because in the dream I didn't notice the landscape, 
other than that I could see the village in the distance.  And oh, by the way
the tornadoes came from the direction of the village.  It wasn't until I
awoke from the nap that I noticed the strategy of the terrain to my safety.
The inner voice is quite a guardian angel.

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�>    * Who is the village, could it be ABO?

�        Could be. You may have already "left" despite the fact you still
�        have 60 days.

Well, I had a good time in ABO, it's sad that I have to leave.  When the local
paper headline read, "Digital Closes Plant: 440 Lose Jobs", I was angry
because I did not LOSE my job, it was TAKEN from me.  BTW, I haven't received
my second notice yet (so, I'm delta from my 60 days), but the 20% who were
earmarked for the 1st wave got their payout and "papers" on Monday.  
 
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�>    * Why did I nap?

�    You do not have a sense of urgency. You trust in the universe.
 
This was funny to me, that I was sleeping and dreaming of sleeping.  I wonder
what I dreamed of in that nap. ;')  But I believe you assessment, I do not
have a sense of urgency, I know I 'll find something good and I'll be happy
with that new job and that new company.  I really miss how DEC was when I
first started -- everyone here was great and then things started going bad.

One overall note, I noticed today that the dream came one month from when I 
found out the official word that ABO was closing.

Well, Jay, again thanks loads for your insight.  I don't think I'll forget
the dream, due to how exciting it was; imagine 60 tornadoes and all the noise
and all the excitement and then, the sweet ending.

  
Anthony

    
    Hi Anthony,
    
    In a tornado you also have no control, you just have to go with it 
    where ever it will bring you.  Plant closures are a lot like that,
    it's not in our control.  Perhaps you see the chaos of the storm
    as going by you but not really touching you yet,  an observer but not
    a participant.
    
    Perhaps you faced the Pueblo because it's your heritage and your roots,
    if you go with the tornadoes they will take you away from your roots
    here.  Maybe your facing toward rather than away from the Pueblo was 
    a choice to stay with what you know.
    
    Flowers can represent life, they are a symbol of rebirth since they
    come again with each spring.  Maybe you need renewal or this is 
    all bringing you toward a new birth or path, you freely accepted it
    in the dream.
    
    Just my random thoughs...  
    
    Adele
    

    Hi Adele,

                             - A Tornado Observer -
    
    A tornado does indeed uproot and  devastate  those  who  are  unfortunate
    enough to be in it's path.   In many ways the shutdown of ABO has "hit to
    the gut" all of us in this facility  and  the  initial impact of the news
    still lingers in the back of our minds.

    Also, the dream showed an  anomaly in that several tornadoes cannot exist
    so near one another and indeed  won't  follow the exact same path.  So, I
    guess this is an "organized" type of chaos.  And I guess I have felt that
    the chaos is around me but not in  or  about  me;    and  I'll  just play
    observer and watch as management tries to recreate the workings of ABO in
    NIO.  (I kinda feel like Whoopi Goldberg's character in  The Color Purple
    when "Mister" is in the kitchen and attemps to cook breakfast,  I believe
    there was an explosion(?))
    
    
                           - Eyes Towards the Pueblo -
    
    Pueblo  is of my heritage in that they too are Native American,  however,
    I'm  of  the  Navajo people (more akin to the Apache) and the Pueblo  are
    considered  trading partners to us.  However I would feel more at ease at
    a pueblo  than  I  would  in  a tornado.  ;') The Pueblo people have some
    secret kiva teaching  that  I  would  never  be  allowed  to learn, but I
    understand that is true  of  many  sacred  beliefs  around the world.  (I
    don't know why I shared that.) However, the basic theme I believe is that
    I had fun at the Feast and enjoyed "visiting" the place.

    
                           - Freely Accepted Flowers -
    
    Renewal/rebirth.  That's good!  I feel this is very appropriate since the
    young women  offering  the  flowers  do have that capability of birth and
    since they were  young  and  of  the age of consent they are inded in the
    "Springtime" of their lives.  And indeed, I did accept their offers.
    
    Thanks for your thoughts, Adele, I'm even more impressed with this dream,
    it seems very potent and rich with message/reaffirmation.
    
    
    Anthony

    
    Hi Anthony,
    
    Perhaps because we had layoffs prior to the closing announcement it 
    would seem like more than one tornado.  Just a thought, the final
    one is the worse because we all go with it.
    
    Interesting, I didn't know you are from the Navajo nation,  we'll
    need to talk more.  Flowers also represent women in some cultures and
    from what I've read I believe that the Navajo is a matriarchy.  Isn't
    it?  It sounds like a good dream, especially since you were not harmed by
    the storm but simply watched it go by.  Sleep is also renewal and
    can be a form of escape when things get to be too much.  You were 
    sheltered from the storm physically by the earth and also took shelter in 
    sleep (mental shelter).
    
    We're facing some very, very stressful times.  If I can find one the
    blessing in closing a whole plant is the mutual support since everyone
    is going through it together.  When people are being layed off they
    can feel more isolated; singled out and may feel some embarrassment.    
    
    Keep on dreaming.... as we all look to what is hopefully a bright
    future.
    
    Adele
    

    
    About flowers - the Bach Flower Remedies are homeopathic remedies that
    work on the energy body and are used to stabilize the emotions of a 
    person so that clearer thinking and acting is possible.  Different 
    flowers calm different emotions.  Impatiens, for example, help to calm 
    an impatient person, and so on.
    
    Cindy

RE: Note 1979.6  ZOLA::AHACHE "Magic happens if you let it"

Adele,

Regarding your inquiry of Navajo matriarchy, yes, it's the cultural norm
that the ancestry/inheiritance is passed down through women.  If fact, my
native clanships are referenced through my mother's clan, so my clan is 
her clan and my father's clan is my "born for" clan.  We can talk to this
more off-line.

Thanks again for the additional insights; now I feel I need to share more
about my background and the significance of the tornado to me.

                                   * * *

My childhood home was in the suburbs of LA in Santa Fe Springs, but each
summer my parents would have me stay with my grandmother near the 4-corners
area in Crownpoint NM.  My favorite things about the summers were the animals
and the landscape, I would always have something to bring back to the city
for 'show and tell'.  One summer I found a pasttime which I favored and 
thought to be without consequence, and that was running into dust devils or
little whirlwinds.

My grandmother said that I was only playing with "Wind's Child" and that it
shouldn't be harmful to me.  (Traditional folklore says that winds like
these have both positive and negative aspects to them, that is, the wind
could 'twist' my brain and make me a lunatic or it could be a scout for me
and the wind's child would listen and tell me "what's in the air".

My mother, being protective of her son, didn't want to risk the negative and
had reprimanded me to stop running into whirlwinds.  Well, not too much
after I had stopped 'playing with the wind' I had a dream of a whirlwind
chasing me.  My mother told me, "See, now the wind is giving you nightmares."
However, grandma says, "No, the wind misses his playmate and they are 
now friends."

                                   * * *

So, periodically I have tornado dreams.  And each time these dreams come
they bring me a "Scouting Report" of what's in the air.

Thought I'd share that.

Tony

RE: Note 1979.7  TNPUBS::PAINTER "Planet Crayon"

Flowers as medicine is good.  Native medicine uses many plants and herbs
for curative purposes.  Some are used in the form of teas or elixers or
in powders or meals/porridges.

I wonder, what might the Back Fower Remedies consider iris, orchid or
morning glory energy restorative for, in terms of correction/healing?

(BTW, Cindy I like the combination of your name PAINTER with FLOWERS, I get
an image of Picasso's Flowers.  ;') )

    
    Hi Anthony,
    
    Thank you for sharing the story of your childhood play with the wind.
    I too believe that the wind has a personality and that you can talk
    to it.  Living in New Mexico if you don't like the wind it might
    drive you crazy,  I don't always like the sand that comes with it
    but I really enjoy standing in the wind and letting it whip through 
    my hair, it makes me feel that I'm free and could fly.  I become the
    wind.
    
    Thank you also for the information on the matriarchy, we'll need to
    talk more.
    
    Take care,
    
    Adele
         

    Descent through the mother is "matrilineal" descent.  If a culture
    were *dominated* by women, it would be a matriarchy.  No such
    culture is present now, nor has one been encountered by archaeologists.
    
    The Trick is that we are part of a men-dominated culture, and see so
    many other men-dominated cultures, that when we encounter a culture
    that is `different', we try to just flip the dominance around.  This
    hasn't been a valid technique.  What works has been to turn the
    dominance *over* to get a parnership culture, with women and men
    working together.
    
    							Ann B.

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    Tony,
    
    I don't think that Bach offers any of those flowers as remedies (they
    have a fixed set of 38, though not all are from flowers - I seem to 
    recall there's a mineral remedy in the set).   
    
    However, someone may know in the VAXCAT::HOLISTIC notes file about the 
    flowers you mentioned.  Or NOTED::HOMEOPATHY.
    
    Cindy

    Cindy,
    
    There are 39...I think you forgot the Rescue Remedy
    
    I have the list sitting right here. I checked this morning...
    those flowers are not on the list. 
    
    I have another book...I almost brought it in with me today.
    I'll take a look and see if they're listed.
    
    Karey

    
    Karey,
    
    I left that one out 'cause it's a blend of 5 of the other remedies.
         
    Cindy

    Cindy,
    
    Yes that's true...In my list Rescue Remedy is listed as no 39. I just
    wrote to them today to inquire if I could become a distributor.
    
    Funny all this stuff would come up just as I'm doing this.
    
    Have you done any work with the Bach Flower Essences?
    
                     Karey

                            
    Karey,
    
    Only on myself and an occasional friend or so, and nothing too indepth.
    A few years ago I was at the house of a friend (former DEJAVUer) and
    someone had brought along the card set.  They're shuffled face-down,
    and the person picks a card that is the best remedy for them at that
    time.  I picked Vervain, and everybody agreed (including myself!) that
    it was the perfect one for me at the time.  (;^)  It worked, too.  My
    friends confirmed it.  (;^)
    
    I like the Rescue Remedy creme for injuries and aches. I use Olive
    and Hornbeam if I'm low on energy (these days at this place it's an
    ongoing situation...), and Elm if I feel overwhelmed.  Then Star-Of-
    Bethelem for sadness/grief, or Rescue Remedy if called for.  
    
    I've made my own mixtures up too, but it's been some time since I 
    did that.  My closet contains about half of the Remedies, so I haven't
    used them all personally.
    
    Cindy

    The iris or the orchid wasn't in my book. The morning glory is.
    
    It says the morning gloy is a good tonic for the entire nervous system.
    With morning gloy, one breaks nervous habits such as smoking or using
    opiates. Displays of nervous irritabliity, including grinding of the
    teeth and jitteriness exemplitied by talking too much or restlessness
    at night to the point of insomnia are all states treatable with this
    remedy.
    
    The book states that if you are going to acupuncture or acupressure it
    is good to take this before. It will help those point to be located
    easier.
    
    This is strange because 5 weeks ago I planted morning glory in my
    yard. They are climbing up my flag pole. They are almost as high as
    the second story of the house. 
    
    Also I quit smoking 5 weeks ago.
    
    The quitting smoking was a planed event. 
    
    The morning glory wasn't. It was brought to me by a friend. She gave 
    the me seeds and said she envisioned them growing right up my flag pole.
    
    
     She said what a beautiful sight they'll be and she's right.
    
     I would have never made the connection had I not read this book this
     morning.
    
     Does anyone have any suggetions on making this into an essence I can
    take internally or even externally.
    
    I really need to break this terrible habit. Last week was really
    difficult. I 'almost' went back. I got new resolve and now I'm ok with
    it. 
        

    
    What a nice 'coincidence'!  (;^)  
    
    It was once explained to me how flower essences are made, but it's been
    so long that I can only present the overall instructions - pick the
    flower, put it in a clean bowl filled with spring water, set it out in
    the sun, and let the energy of the flower permeate the water.  The
    specifics which I've forgotten, include how and when to harvest the
    flower, time to leave it in the sun, and how to prepare the final
    essence (involves using alcohol - brandy or something like this, and
    storing it in a dark bottle).
    
    Also, there may be parts of the flower - the morning glory - that are
    poisonous that you would not want to put in the water.
    
    The Alchemist in Hudson, Mass, might have some of this essence - they
    have a lot of these things.  Their number is:  (508) 562-2154.
    
    Cindy
                               

    
    You can also stand close to the morning glory plant, hold your hands
    near it, and ask for its energy to help you break the habit.  Do this
    for a few minutes, then thank the plant afterwards.
    
    Cindy

RE: Note 1979.11  REGENT::BROOMHEAD "Don't panic -- yet."

Thanks, I know something was off with "matriarchy" (Navajo men still control
politics/business/etc.

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RE: Note 1979.12  TNPUBS::PAINTER "Planet Crayon"

Thanks for the notes pointers.

                                      +++

Note 1979.17  ASDG::CALL

Thanks for all the info regarding the morning glory flower.

It's quite interesting, your story of the benefits of this flower and the
smoking habit you're needing to calm.

I'm finding it fortunate that my inital dream of flowers had opened this
discussion of sharing various remedies.  I hope you find these remedies
will restore your balance/harmony.

Tony

    
    Here's some general info on flower essences.....will enter as I have
    time.
    
    From Harmony in Conway NH
    
    Campanula: Aids with caffeine and smoking addictions.  Eases pain;
    works with morphines in body.  Torn tissue rejuvenated.  Helps one deal
    wtih crippled people attitude.  Works with 8th - 10th chakras; 8th ray.
    
    Siberian Iris: Joy. Works with superconscious & subconscious minds. 
    Increases compassion, clarity of thought.  Electricity in brain
    increases.  Aids removal of radiation miasm.  Chakras: 6th, 8th, &
    10th.  Rays: 4th and 10th.
    
    
    Medicine Wheel Herbal Drops
    
    Nico-Free: Provides nutrients for eliminating the body's dependency on
    smoking, while clearing nicotine, toxins and dis-ease from lungs and
    respiratory system.
    
    MaryAnne

A few mornings ago I woke early with the remembrance of a dream.  This is unusual for me as of late.  I turned to
my boyfriend Paul and told him the dream.....
	I had been at work and my new supervisor had to tell me reluctantly that I was being TFSOed.  This didn't
	produce the response I'd expect in conscious life.  I was rather reserved and excepting.  Not me :-)
	I turned and left.
Paul listen and assured, back to sleep I drifted, back to my dream.  This used to be a common experience for me,
to wake then go back to my dream.  Truly a gift, in that I can review the dream, make conscious decisions on what
it meant and how to deal with it, then go back and DO it.  Back to sleep...
	Sure enough here I am, back at ZKO.  My supervisor is there and she's asking me to come back.  I don't
	want to.  I let her know I'm moving on.

This dream felt good.  I felt my own power, I was making my own life decisions.  Not much for interpretation here,
rather straight forward, but still a special dream for me.  Especially with my more recent dream (& sleep)
deprivation.  Hey, this wouldn't be stress related would it.  Big ;-) face!

	BTW: last night's dream had me in bed.  There was a BIG spider crawling on my shoulder.  I called to Paul
	to brush it away but he couldn't see it (he really is very far-sighted :-).  The spider crawled to the
	front of my throat and I awoke, feeling just a LITTLE bit creepy.  Also unusual since I'm not a big fan of
	the 8-leggers.  I would have expected to be shaking!!

Who knows????.... (maybe there really was a spider! gasp!)

love,
-pam

    
    more essences..
    From Green Hope Farm (short definitions)
    
    Blue flag iris: inspires artistic creativity.
    Snap pea: clarifies purpose behind dreams and nightmares
    White Nicotiana: cleansing ego habits and cravings so we can be God
    with every thought, word and deed.
    Wild Iris: Spiritualizes all creative and srtistic endeavor to oneness
    with God.
    Spider lily: for the improvement of telepathic skills.
    Vanda Orchid: for total, efficient healing we must go to the heart of
    creation, the joining place of God and Matter.  Vanda takes us there.
    Purify: this mixture is composed of all white flowers including morning
    glory.......helps us to rid ourselves of our desire to pursue addictive
    behaviors.  It also helps with the detoxification process.  This
    essence offers us the possibility to transmute our addictive vibration
    into a much higher vibration of freedon amd choice.
    
    Deva Flower Remedies
    
    Addiction: drug addiction, alcoholism, smoking, over eating, etc. 
    General nervous and addictive habits.  Includes Morning glory among
    others.
    
    Bach remedies
    
    Crab apple: for cleansing
    
    Pegasus
    This was the only place I could find single essences but no description
    was given for the singles.  They do appear in combinations that match
    closely to descriptions given by other companies.
    
    Orchid: dream clarification
    Morning Glory: 
    Iris- Sierra:
    
    Artistic and higher creativity includes iris among others.
    Develops healing ability includes morning glory among others.
    Dreams/visions includes orchid among others.
    
    Anna Grieves herbals have nothing on iris but mentions morning glory
    for headache and purgative and orchid for a purgative as well.
    
    Hope this is helpful or at least interesting to someone.  It was fun
    for me doing the research!
    
    MaryAnne

RE: 1979.23  BRAT::MACDONALD_M "The Tincture Tree"

�  Blue flag iris: inspires artistic creativity.
�  Wild Iris: Spiritualizes all creative and srtistic endeavor to oneness
�  with God.
�  Vanda Orchid: for total, efficient healing we must go to the heart of
�  creation, the joining place of God and Matter.  Vanda takes us there.
�  Purify: this mixture is composed of all white flowers including morning
�  glory.......helps us to rid ourselves of our desire to pursue addictive
�  behaviors.

MaryAnne,

Thanks for entering this stuff!  I am finding a link here, regarding the flowers
and a Tarot card reading I had done recently.  I had recently tracked down a reader
who gave me a reading 2+ years ago who was very accurate in predicting the current
job I now have (I was promoted into this position), she indicated I would have two
strong managers who would mentor me -- which turned out to be v-e-r-y accurate.

Well, in this last reading the Pope card fell into the "overall" position, Celtic
Cross layout, so she read this as, "God is guiding you very closely at this time",
which she intrepreted with a "Count Your Blessings" card, and another one which 
she read as the next job will be so enriching, I will feel as though I am at a
wedding feast, and that my life hense forth will be a series of plateaus (Wishes
& Hopes position).  However, one card indicated that I am very self-critical and I
need to rein in that behavior because it limits me.

So, the flowers reference to "the joining place of God"  and "helps us to rid 
ourselves of our desire to pursue addictive behaviors" match the reading!


�Hope this is helpful or at least interesting to someone.  It was fun
�    for me doing the research!

Yes, muchas gracias! Thanks, thanks, thanks!

AW
(BTW, you mentioned NH, are you in NIO?  I'll be visiting there next week...)

    re: 1979.23
    
    Thank you for taking the time to do the research and tell us what you 
    found. I want to add something else I found to clear the addiction of
    smoking.
    
    I had an ergonomic study done in my office. The person who did the
    study works in health services. I mentioned that I quit smoking but was
    still struggling with the addiction of nicotine. She told me about a
    drug called clanadine (sp). I called my doctor to ask about it. She
    didn't return my call right away. Well over the weekend I found the
    herbs that make the compound clanadine. I bought it and I made the tea.
    On monday morning my doctor called me and I told her about taking the
    herbs. She said they make a patch of clanadine to help in quitting
    smoking. She said she was all for the homeopathic method. She wants me
    to let her know how it worked. The only problem is that it tastes
    terrible. She said to mix it with some juice or something to make it a
    little bit more platable. She also said there have been studies done that
    quitting smoking is as hard to break the addicition as heroin
    addictions. I don't like being addicted to anything.
    
    I'm also going to get some of the essences and try them.
    
    Thank you...thank you
    
    re. 23 your personal header is the tincture tree
    
    Do you make tinctures? I have been studying about tinctures lately.
    I ordered a tincture of gingko leaves to take. I'd like to get
    into where I make my own tinctures. I find this to be very intersting
    stuff.

    
    AW,  I'm at MKO2.
    
    And yes I do make many of my own tinctures, it's quite simple.  If the
    tea you are drinking is real bad you might want to make a tincture for
    yourself.  I'm also interested in what herbal combination you're using.
    The Tincture Tree is my business name, soon to have a mail order
    catalog.  I've been working with herbs for the past 3 years, took
    Rosemary Gladstar's apprentice course, and am close to my Bach Flower
    Therapist Certification.  I love tinctures for their medicinal and
    spiritual effects and have had alot of fun experimenting with them.
    
    glad to find others with the same interests!
    
    MaryAnne

    
    Since this is a TFSO topic...
    
    Does anybody know why management-types get upset when a person tries to
    volunteer to be TFSO'd?              
    
    If you'd like to answer anonymously, send your reply to me directly and
    I'll post it for you w/o your header.
    
    Cindy

    Loss of leverage.
    
    Confirmation of worst fears.
    
    Trying to hold resources togeather until the manager can make the
    decision themselves.
    
    Any number of other reasons....   tc
    
    	
    
    

    Afraid you'll change your mind after TFSO and sue the company.
    
    
    Marilyn

I guess it depends on the particular manager and the politics
within the facility.

I know that here, we all feel that we've been shafted by the
company -- so, with the plant being shut down, we've all
pretty much have joined forces to help each other get jobs
elsewhere (except for the few managers who are going back east).

So, regardless of the Company's focus away from the workforce
as living, breathing, *beings*; we the people, some of whom have
decided to be TFSO'd sooner (4 waves of departure) have mostly
found our managers to be accomodating.

    Managers like to feel they are "managing".  If one decides to offer
    what they have been struggling over how to present to one, then the
    one who offers is typically considered to be "in control" of their
    environment and not the manager.  Simple.  Power and control issue.

    justme....jacqui

    
    Sad...very sad.  Dysfunctional to the max, too.
    
    Cindy

    
    Was the Bach Flower Therapist thru the Gladstone program?
    I'm really interested in Flower Essences.  Thanks for 
    entering the information.  If you have any sources for
    mail-order training I would be very interested in it.
    
    Also, have you done any work with the Sea Essences of Stargate
    Essences.
    
    jayna

    
    Jayna,
     
     Contact Westbrook Univ, 3434 West Greenway Rd 26-257, Phoenix AZ 85023
    for info on the Bach Certification Course.  Rosemary Gladstar Is a
    Master Herbalist and also offers a course/apprentice program in
    Herbology.
    
    Have never heard of the Sea Essences but would welcome some info and 
    a source for them.  Always interested in trying new things!
    
    MaryAnne