Conference hydra::dejavu

    The movie about the Burmuda triangle was on here in Atlanta last night.
    
    It mention the Flying Dutchman.  One of the kings of England was
    serving as a naval officer on a ship somewhere in the triangle as part
    of his training.  He is said to have seen the Flying Dutchman and
    ordered it to be reported in the ship's log.
    
    There was a ship that I recall as having been a freighter that was
    found in the triangle without the crew.  I don't think it was the 
    same ship.  I believe it was called the Cyclops.
    
    Also, there is a note in DEJAVU that attributes all the triangle
    phenomenon to crystalized methane under the sea floor being released
    into the ocean and atmosphere with great destructive power.
    
    tc                    
    
    tc

Would someone be so good as to tell me how to access the UFO conference?

Thanks.

Mary Krampf

    It's WIDGET::UFO.  Press "select" (KP7) to add it to your notebook.

				Topher

I'll contribute a personal Triangle experience from my previous life as a Naval
Aviator.

  In 1974 I was assigned to a P3 Orion Squadron flying maritime survellance,
antisubmarine and Sea/AiR rescue missions out of Burmuda. My duties included 
radio communications, FLIR operations and inflight technician duties. Yes the
BT is a strange place to fly in, the radio communications would suddenly fade
and you couldnt contact anyone, the electronics would go wack for no reason,
electrical storms would appear on radar or visually and you would fly toward
them but never reach them......pretty weird....but here's the weirdest I've
ever seen.

  One of our more monotonous duties included keeping tabs on all soviet
block vessels transiting the Bermuda area inroute to Cuba, Nicaragua or where
ever. We would pick up the approximate position of the Sov's from our associates
doing the same mission out of Lajes in the Azores and track their posits daily
until handing them off to Squadrons operating out of Jacksonville.  

 One fine dark morning we were on the ready SAR duty and got launched along with 
another P3 on a "urgent" SAR to a Ruskie who was reporting distress over HF
radio to Bermuda seaway control. This Ruskie was bearing approximately 150-200 
Miles south east of the island. The vessel, a "medium" sized Red Flag freighter
was experiencing unspecified difficulty and reported as abandoning ship. Both  
birds were loaded with extra raft drop kits and launched posthaste.

 We cruised on out to the Sov's reported last position fire up the APS 80 radar
and there he was, all alone, adrift in light seafog under the rising sun and 
dead in the water for sure. We tryed to call him up on the marine UHF guard 
frequencies and received no responses. 

 Since it looked like nobody was home the TACCO decided to get on down and wake
em up....so we cranked down to 150 feet or so and cruised down along his port
side...nothing...I was looking right into the pilot house with the Flir camera
and everyone else was glassing him and there was no one on the old bucket. The
ship did look a little weird though no particular reason was apparent on the 
first pass.

 Meanwhile the other bird was down on the deck starting a standard SAR pattern 
looking for rafts or floaters. We came back around and cruised down his other 
side and thats when  we got our first look at his "problem". The entire STBD 
side of the ship was blackened, the paint was burnt off/peeling in large areas
and strips, RIGHT DOWN TO THE WATERLINE. All his raft davits were empty.

 We tooks our mandatory pickures and shot some FLIR tape and then joined the 
SAR pattern search until it was clear there was nothing in the water anywhere
around this guy...and then headed back home...shaking our head and muttering 
about that weird burnt look. ASW crews are trained to see a lot of weird stuff 
and not talk about it so it was just another SAR mission to us..

 But, a couple days later there was some scuttlebutt about the Crispy Ruskie
down in St. Georges, so a couple of us mopedded down to the peir in St, Georges
and sure enough, the Ruskie had been towed in by a tug and was tied up at the 
peir. On upclose examination it was obvious that this ship had not been the 
victim of just another at sea fire. The paint on the  starboard side  
WAS burned off, right down to the waterline. The deliniation of the burnt and
unburnt area's on the superstructure was as crisp as if someone had draw it 
with a pen, or etched it with a blowtorch, it went from burnt crisp to clean
original paint in a matter of inches. There did not appear to be ANY OTHER
DAMAGE, no melted down twisted metal stays, no blown out ports, nothing like 
that...just BURNT.

 The locals on the peir told us she was towed in with no crew onboard and no 
one knew what the heck had happened "out there". But SOMETHING happened to 
that ship..and its unfortunate crew...the best I could describe it today is it 
looked like it was exposed on one side to a sealevel nuclear explosion at max 
range, just the flash not the bang or the blast...it was TRUELY STRANGE, VERY 
VERY CREEPY to look at. I can imagine...strange stuff happens, the crew sends
mayday and splits the boat...FLASH/NOBANG..Crew gone (where did they go)...ship
crispy on one side normal on the other....methane fog my  a**!! 

 A few days later the Sov's flew in a new crew, they stoked her up and headed
back for the Med. As far as I know the missing crew was never found...end of 
my story...

 I've never read of this incedent in any of the Triangle literature.....but I 
assure you it did happen...I was there!!!

 Cheers

  Ed

  Thank you to Topher, and also to Mary Stanley, for the UFO pointer.

   MK

    
    Wow...thanks for that story, Ed!
    
    Cindy

    
                     <<< Note 1829.5 by DNEAST::BLUM_ED >>>
                      -< Bermuda Triangle Mystery ship. >-

    
  Nice story Ed!   BUT.......?
    

||I'll contribute a personal Triangle experience from my previous life as a Naval
||Aviator.                                               ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
    
    Previous life??

    
||  In 1974 I was assigned to a P3 Orion Squadron flying maritime survellance,
       ^^^^
    
    1974???
    
    
    
    Just how old are you now??��??�     (If I may ask?!�)
    
    
    
    
    
                         Dave
    

>>I'll contribute a personal Triangle experience from my previous life as a Naval
Aviator.



    ......as OPPOSED to his present life as a Digit!!!

    

    
   RE: .9

>>>I'll contribute a personal Triangle experience from my previous life as a Naval
>>>Aviator.



   >>> ......as OPPOSED to his present life as a Digit!!!

    
	What a shame, and there I thought you were living proof that
    	Reincarnation was more than just a theory. 
    

    Point of interest:
    
    I seem to remember seeing something about a triangular area south of Japan
    that has similar occurences.  It was referred to as the "Devil's Sea".  I
    think it was positioned directly on the other side of the globe from
    Bermuda (must check that out).
    
    tc
    

    
                       <<< Note 1829.11 by SAHQ::CAGLE >>>

TC>>Point of interest:
    
TC>>I seem to remember seeing something about a triangular area south of Japan
TC>>that has similar occurences.  It was referred to as the "Devil's Sea".  I
TC>>think it was positioned directly on the other side of the globe from
TC>>Bermuda (must check that out).
    
    
    tc,
       I'd be interested in whatever "FACTS" you come up with about this,
    (No past life experiences 8*)).  If you remember (or refer back) in my
    base note I made a brief reference to a second triangle.  This is
    supposed to be directly on the other side of the globe (as you said) in
    the Indian Ocean.  Unfortunately I know little about it but would like
    to hear more.
    
    
                   Dave
    

    Can't help you on the "FACTS" Dave.  It was something I recall hearing
    once.  It was so long ago that I can't even remember the source.  The
    only other thing about it that I recall was that the Japaneese
    government restricted the area against shipping.
    
    I don't recall it having anything to do with the Indian Ocean.  A
    curiosity to me is that if there is such an area, I wonder why it
    hasn't received as much press as the Bermuda triangle.  Maybe it does
    get press in the orient?
    
    tc
              

    I've heard of the Japanese triangle.  I understand that one thing they
    have in common is that geographic north and magnetic north are the
    same heading in both areas�.  (Why this should be a problem beats me.)
    
    I continue to maintain that leading causes of disappearances are
    storms (especially hurricanes), and idiots with cabin cruisers and
    filled highball glasses who think they can get from Island A to Island
    B by looking at a ten-year old map from National Geographic.
    
    						Ann B.
    
    � For some value of the "triangle".  No two `authorities' agree on
    size, position, or exact shape.

    Seems to me that the biologist and oddities collector Ivan T. Sanderson
    felt that there might be a whole series of such regions equally spaced
    around the globe.  Couldn't say which of his books.  You might just
    see what you can get from your local library or through it via
    interlibrary loan by Sanderson.  Even if you don't find it, you'll
    have a good read.

					Topher

    
                           <<< Note 1829.13 by SAHQ::CAGLE >>>
               -< Association:  Just a brain dump on triangles >-
    
 TC>> hasn't received as much press as the Bermuda triangle.  Maybe it does
 TC>> get press in the orient?
    
        I have a feeling you may be right about that!  I think they
    probably hear a lot of things over there that we don't get here!
    
    
                 Dave
    
    

    Re: .0
    
    "Tell me a stooooory? :-)
    
    
    
    
    Lorenzo
    

    
    
  <<< Note 1829.17 by UNYEM::JEFFERSONL "Have you been tried in the fire?" >>>
                                  -< The Cry >-

    }}Re: .0
    
    }}"Tell me a stooooory? :-)
    
    
    	I did in the base note!!  ..................Your turn!!  8*)
    
    
    
	D.
    

Re... .8...

 I am eight hundred and thirty four years old.....


e

Re -1 (e)

> I am eight hundred and thirty four years old.....

Great! Were you in Europe when you were young? Have you ever attended the
Easter performances of Hildegard in her convent in Bingen?

Weren't they great?

They don't do it like that anymore these days.....

Arie

    
    
                     <<< Note 1829.19 by DNEAST::BLUM_ED >>>
                        -< All aboard the mystery ship >-


EB>>Re... .8...

EB>> I am eight hundred and thirty four years old.....
    
    
		What, no months, weeks, days?   HAPPY BIRTHDAY.....again!
    
    
    You don't mind if I hold you responsible for all that stuff that has
    happen over the last eight hundred or so years that I didn't have
    anyone else to blame, DO YOU?
    
    				8^O
    
    	D.
    
    

The scorches on the Russion freighter could very well be a methane event.

Imagine the following, if you will.  You are on a freighter that suddenly
is surrounded by an ocean which appears to be boiling.  Suddenly there is 
an explosion with intense heat (similar to a fuel air bomb which has been
likened to a small nuke in terms of heat effect).  At the same time the 
electronics go haywire and the ship goes dead in the water.  So you abandon
ship.  

I would suspect that a methane cloud could simulate a fuel air explosive 
device and it could be ignited by any of a number of sources on the ship.
As for the missing crewmen, it would be hard to say, maybe swallowed by
subsequent bubbles or burned up in a subsequent flash?  

Or maybe it was the aliens.

80)

    If there was a methane explosion there would be very little oxygen left
    in the air. There would also be lots of carbon dioxide. If the partial
    pressure of carbon dioxide was greater than 18% it would be impossible
    for anyone to survive, as they could no longer breath. So I doubt even
    those who survived the heat could have abandoned ship.

    Jamie.

    Another spot....
    
    Last week, Sightings talked about the Great Lakes triangle, where many
    accidents occur.   The hottest spot is the Marysville Triangle where I 
    believe the Edmund Fitzgerald went down, as well as a Commerical
    airliner back in the late 60's early 70's.??.. anyone else see this 
    episode ?  

    Is the English Channel in one of those triangles? It has a very high
    accident rate when considered against an equally sized piece of, say the
    Atlantic ocean.

    Jamie.