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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
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1752.0. "Need Sage/Birch info" by SWAM2::SCHMAUDER_PA () Mon Oct 19 1992 13:17

    Would like some input from someone who knows about american native
    indian traditions/rituals.  I am looking for sage and birch.  Thinking
    I was going to be smart about this I went to the plant nursey to buy my
    own bushes...do you know how many different kinds of sage there are???
    And there must be another name for the birch because the nusery man
    said "you must mean birch tree' I know that is not what I want.
    
    More information:
    - using them for personal protection (sage)
    - removing negative energy from house (birch)
    - they are wrapped in small bundles of seven twigs and bond with cotton
      tread
    
    
    If anyone could tell me what kind of sage I am looking for and a hint
    about the birch - I'd be grateful.  Thanks in advance.
    
    -pat
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1752.1Sage CGVAX2::CLEGGstay tuned - ShakkaMon Oct 19 1992 14:516
    You can find wrapped sage in the health food stores.  I have
    saged my house to get rid of the negative energy which was in the home
    from the previous owners.  (smells terrible but what a difference in
    the energies).  I am not sure what type  of sage this was. However,
    I did purchase it in the health food store.  I do not have any info on
    birch.                                                        
1752.2VS2K::GENTILENew World Order Is OLD World LieMon Oct 19 1992 14:5532
I have never heard of birch being used for anything. It's certianly possible 
but not something I know. I have been taught by my teachers that there are 
four sacred herbs and the way I have been taught to use them is in this 
order:
	Sage   - clear and remove all negativity, fears, limitations, blocks
		 evil spirits.

	Cedar  - offer prayers. Cedar smoke carries prayers up to Great 
		 Spirit.

	SweetGrass - Offering thanks, allowing only good to be arround.

Then, there is tabacco, that I have been taught is a very sacred herb when 
used in the right way. I've been taught to use it in prayers in sacred 
events, many of which I can't talk about, but it can be used in making 
prayer offerings.

It seems like sage would be usefull to you to clear negativity. I've been 
taught that the sage sticks used by the new-agers are not good because they 
mix herbs that should not be mixed. For instance, new agers mix sage and 
lavender. The lavender has no place being there.

I've also been taught that there are different kinds of sage, both male and 
female. This I don't know much about but you might want to ask in the 
native_americans notes conference on node genral. I generally use any kind 
of sage to clear out negativity on a daily basis. I don't pay attention to 
what kind it is. I don't grow it but I buy it separetly on a loose basis and 
not in a stick.

Hope this helps,
Young Owl Hatching

1752.3why guess at it ?SALSA::MOELLERBeware Creeping EleganceMon Oct 19 1992 15:391
    GENRAL::NATIVE_AMERICANS
1752.4another viewTNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisMon Oct 19 1992 15:416
    
    According to Steven McFadden, author of "Profiles In Wisdom",
    the scientific benefit behind burning sage is that it produces 
    negative ions.
    
    Cindy
1752.5Sage is good in tomato sauce, too.DWOVAX::STARKFear is the mind killerMon Oct 19 1992 15:5317
    re: .4,
    I'm no pyrochemist, but I thought that _any_ open flame produces negative 
    ions ?   
    
    Maybe unrelated to the topic, but my understanding from some
    Kabbalistic ritualists is that they attribute the effects of
    burning herbs to the state of mind elicited in the
    'subconscious' of the petitioner, in aid of creating a sacramental 
    correspondence to particular universal symbols.  
    
    In such rituals, though, there are a number of other factors involved
    at the same time, not just the burning herb, so maybe this has nothing
    to do with it.   
    
    							kind regards,
    
    							todd
1752.6My humble opinionVS2K::GENTILENew World Order Is OLD World LieMon Oct 19 1992 17:336
I don't waste time trying to justify things on a scientific basis and 
waiting for science to catch up to things that have been known for 10,000 
years. It works, so I do it.

Sam

1752.7Re.5TNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisMon Oct 19 1992 17:548
    
    Could be, Todd.  I was just quoting Steve.
    
    I burn sage (smudge?) to cleanse and energize my place, stones, etc.
    ...at the risk of my condo neighbors thinking I'm smoking something
    interesting! (;^)  It does smell somewhat like marajuana.
    
    Cindy
1752.8SALSA::MOELLERBeware Creeping EleganceMon Oct 19 1992 19:507
   >It does smell somewhat like marajuana.
    
    .. or so you've heard ..
    
    ;-)
    
    karl
1752.9Purely for medicinal purposesDWOVAX::STARKFear is the mind killerTue Oct 20 1992 11:213
   >It does smell somewhat like marajuana.
    
    I'm sure Cindy doesn't _inhale_.
1752.10Re: last two - (;^)TNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisTue Oct 20 1992 12:111
    
1752.11Not all sage is mixedASABET::ESOMSManifesting a DreamTue Oct 20 1992 16:035
    I often use sage have have purchased it in leaf form and not
    mixed.  The sage doesn't smell great but add a bit of sweet
    grass (also found at new age stores) and it's much better.
    
    Joanne
1752.12learning slowly but surelySWAM2::SCHMAUDER_PATue Oct 20 1992 19:048
    I have used the sage at the beginning of a class and I thought it
    smelled really nice.  It was sage picked fresh from the desert.  I have
    found out that it is sagebrush I was looking for - and not birch but cedar.
    
    Boy do I have alot to learn....Thanks for the input esp. the reference
    to the native american notes.
    
    -pat