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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1711.0. "Greetings from Zeffel Dorma�l" by UTROP1::GROOTW () Mon Aug 17 1992 10:25

Hi,

Last Friday my wife and I met an ex Digital employee from the US.
working now for the EEC in Brussels. His name is Zeffel Dorma�l.

This guy made a verry big impression on me, my wife and my friends.
Actually we talked the whole weekend about him. 

To make a long storry short, he asked me too post a 3 line note in the
Dejavu-notes file. Following his instructions on reaching this file,
I'll hope that this message get accross the ocean.

Regards, Wim.


Hi Everyone,

The paradox is that Confusion is based on Perception.
If you influence Perception, you influence Confusion.

Light and Joy to you,
Zeffel.

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1711.1I hate Mondays.....SWAM1::MILLS_MATo Thine own self be TrueMon Aug 17 1992 13:456
    I'm confused. I thought "our" Zeffel was another a previous walk-in
    into Jeanne Atkinson's body currently occupied by Talligai. Am I 
    wrong?
    
    
    Marilyn
1711.3we must retaliate !STAR::ABBASII spell checkMon Aug 17 1992 15:378
    do you mean note .0 was a fake?
    could one do that, and just escape?
    I suggest, we in Dejovu, gather and prepare
    and do a note raid in return
    against soapbox or even humane

    /Nasser
    I spell checked
1711.4SFC01::CABANYAMon Aug 17 1992 16:103
ok, so whats a note raid??

mary c
1711.6VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenMon Aug 17 1992 17:114
    But he was right... the imaginary guy from the raid was right..
    confusion is based on perception.
    
    I sent him mail and told him so too.
1711.7ASABET::ESOMSManifesting a DreamMon Aug 17 1992 21:053
    way to go Mary!!
    
    Joanne
1711.8Can't be a fake !UTROP1::HANSSEN_JTue Aug 18 1992 08:2211
    Sorry fellows,
    
    as a current reader/user of DEJAVU and also working on UTROP1 ( it's
    the machine of Utrecht, the Netherlands) and also knowing the writer
    (Wim de Groot) from .0 I can assure you that his note was honestly
    meaned and NOT faked !
    Cindy, Mary....I am glad I could write this and didn't have to tell you
    this......( what a sentence.....) so please Nasser don't invade/crash
    our system.....;-)
    
    ^0^
1711.9Think or ask before you shoutUTROP1::GROOTWTue Aug 18 1992 08:4018
Hello,

I am verry upset and feel offended on note 1711.2

The guy I spoke last Friday told me upfront that
based on his message some people would get confused,
because they are not ready and/or don't have the right
perception to understand.

To do a favor for someboddy else, I didn't know that I opened a
can of worms.

However, to protect my own good name and fame this
discussion is for me closed.

Regards, Wim.


1711.11Maybe another walkinSALEM::STPIERRE_DTue Aug 18 1992 10:295
    Is it possible that Zeffel has now "walk-in" to another body?
    
    Just a thought.
    
    Deb
1711.12VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenTue Aug 18 1992 11:064
    must be getting crowded in there...
    
    He is right though... the gentlemen who perceives through confusion..
    He 'sees'..
1711.13Different Rose by the same Name.ASDS::ATKINSONTue Aug 18 1992 11:4717
Good Morning Everyone,

This "Zeffel" has nothing to do with the vehicle that is occupied by
Talligai or the former lifestream "Zeffel" that once inhabited this
vehicle.

They are completely separate lifestreams.

Hope this clears things up "a little".

Interesting topic.

In LOVE and LIGHT
I AM
Talligai

1711.14Reality is the absense of projection. - Yogi Amrit DesaiTNPUBS::PAINTERworlds beyond thisTue Aug 18 1992 13:0110
    
    Re.0
    
    Welcome Wim!  
    
    Re.8
    
    Huh?  I wasn't even here before now.  Now I'm confused.  (;^)
    
    Cindy
1711.15CARTUN::MISTOVICHTue Aug 18 1992 13:305
    re: last
    
    Does that mean reality is introjection?
    
    Mary
1711.16NOPROB::JOLLIMOREIn the Concrete JungleTue Aug 18 1992 13:3512
	Hi Wim,
	
	Welcome to the world of confusion that is DEJAVU.  :-)
	
	Can I ask you: in what way did he make a very big impression on
	you? Was it something he said or did?
	
	And: will you see him again? Will there be more messages from
	him?
	
	kind regards,
	Jay
1711.17The real story part 1.UTROP1::GROOTWTue Aug 18 1992 14:0961
Ref: 1711.10

     Marcos, Lets forget it, apologize exepted.

Hello,

To clean things up I feel obliged to tell you what happened on
the evening of Friday the 14th of august.

But, before the story comes first some facts:

A - During that evening I had to attend a concert given by
    the European Community Youth Orchestra (9th Symphony of
    Beethoven) sponsored by Digital.

B - After the concert we had planned a meeting (about 10.30)
    with some friends, who where over from Geneva, in the lobby
    of the Novotel in Amsterdam.  

C - We arrived at 10.15 at the hotel, we asked the room numbers
    of our friends and phoned them. They where not their.
    We decided to wait in the lobby till at least 10.45

D - Because their aren't that much separate seats we had to
    share a small coffee table with an other person who was
    alone.

Here comes the story:

After a ordering a cup of coffee and a few minutes later
the person next to me asked me and my wife if we enjoyed the
concert (easy to ask, because the program was laying on the
table). After telling him that we enjoyed it very much, he asked
the both of us of we worked for Digital. I told him that I work
for Digital. Then he said "Though times for Digital" but never
the less When the times get though, the though get going" My wife
laughed about that sentence, I didn't because I heard it before.
Then we chat about the present situation with lay-offs and so
on. On a certain moment he asked me when I joined Digital, I
told him Jan-1-1984, then he said so your badge number (he paused for
a couple of seconds) must be in the 155K area, then he looked in my
eyes, and said "Am I wrong when I say that your badge number is 155004."

He hit it on the nail, I was impressed but confused, I said to
him, hey come on, who told you, who are you, who is setting me up?

Than he said "You told me your badge #, you have telepathic powers
which are not aware to you on this moment" the minut that I mentioned
the word "Badge" you transmitted to me a "Picture" of that badge.
Indeed he was right, when he mentioned badge I thought about that
thing, that I needed a new one because it is all curled up.  

Time is off my sight, tommorow I tell you more.
I can asure you, it becomes verry interresting.

Regards, Wim.

BTW. English is not my mother tong, forgive mistakes in grammar and
     spelling.    


1711.18Curiouser and curiouser...SWAM1::MILLS_MATo Thine own self be TrueTue Aug 18 1992 14:2010
    Wim,
    
    Now you've *really* got me intrigued! Tell us more!
    
    Talligai,
    
    Are you sure this is not the same Zeffel? 
    
    
    Marilyn
1711.19NOPROB::JOLLIMOREIn the Concrete JungleTue Aug 18 1992 15:585
	Wim,
	
	Thank you. I look forward to more of the telling.
	
	Jay
1711.20Part 2UTROP1::GROOTWWed Aug 19 1992 08:4472
Hello all,

Before I continue the story it is necessary to tell you some facts
about myself, my wife and my friends .

Wim,      Amiable/expressive/pragmatic/two feed on the ground,
          well educated, very skeptical but a broad interest
          in everything what I can see, feel and touch, not
          easy to see my emotions (poker face).

Jeanne,   My wife, Social/expressive/theoretical, a degree in
          behavior science, teacher.

Peter,    very expressive,very skeptical, a salesperson in
          optima forma, born in the UK, lives in Geneva.

Sara-Lee, Peters wife, very creative, teacher in music and
          a conductor, born in the US.

Jean Paul Marketing Manager by one of our competitors, two
          feed on the ground, skeptical, not easy to convince
          can only think between black and white, born in the
          French part of Switzerland. Religious (Roman Catholic).

Ilse,     Jean Pauls wife, housewife, mother of 5 children,
          religious, same character as Jean Paul, Born in the
          German part of Switzerland, speaks fluent German, French,
          Italian an Spanish.
  
Yesterday I showed my wife what I send you, she had two comments.

1. He was spoken Dutch to us, the impression he gave us that he
   was born in the Netherlands.
2. He didn't say "when the time" aso., but said "when the going get
   tough, the tough get going".

Part 2 of the story:

At that time (about 10.45) our friends arrived, because we didn't
see each other for more than a year, the kissing, hugging and talking
ceremony took about 10 minutes. At that moment I didn't realize that 
the other person walked quietly to the Bar.
As I told you before the lobby didn't had the possibility to have
a party of 6 people around a small coffee table we decided to have
a drink at the hotel's bar. When we entered the bar there was one
guest (guess who it was). When my wife saw him, she told the others
about the badge, we introduced each other and then he mentioned for
the first time his name (not his last name) BTW. the conversation
was in English. My wife talked again about the batch. Than at a
certain moment the very,very skeptical Peter made a comment that
it must be a trick and that it took a lot more to prove that ESP
exist. Than Zeffel said "Normally I don't do this, but if you agree
I will tell you and the others some things I about yourself".
Peter laughed and said "I am waiting".

Without going into details, he started easy, telling Peter about
his hobby's Skiing, model aircraft. Than about his character.
About his physical condition and problems.
Then he went into the very serious facts, exact day and place of
birth, about his father, his mother, his children, his first wife.
Everything right on the nail, We where baffled, Peter and Sara-Lee
where both white as a corpus.

Time is off my sight, tomorrow I tell you more about what he told
us about auscultation, aura's and what he told us about him self.

Greetings, Wim.
 
BTW. I tried to be as realistic as possible if you have any questions
     please ask.


1711.21VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenWed Aug 19 1992 11:011
    I can't wait to hear more, wim.
1711.24VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Aug 20 1992 14:201
    :-)
1711.25needed that! :-) :-) :-)CARTUN::MISTOVICHFri Aug 21 1992 12:331
    
1711.26Pls. replyCGVAX2::CLEGGFri Aug 28 1992 15:266
    Hi, I have been reading dejavu for many moons but this is the first
    time I have replied to anything.  Would somebody please tell me
    what :-) symbol signifies.
    
    Thnx,
    WAC
1711.27WMOIS::CONNELLDUST: The Adventure Continues.Fri Aug 28 1992 15:5710
    Hi WAC  and welcome from someonme who was on your CGVAX2 until a couple
    of weeks ago. 
    
    To answer your question, the :-) represents a "smiling face" It's used
    when someon wants to point out they are using subtle or even blatant
    humor. There are about a zillion variations on it. They are listed
    somewhere in here and in about every valuing differences and employee
    interest conference that there is.
    
    PJ
1711.28To PJCGVAX2::CLEGGFri Aug 28 1992 16:386
    Hi PJ and thanks for the welcome...and the answer to my question.
    You left CGVAX2 a couple of weeks ago and I just came on a couple
    of weeks ago.  I see the "smiling face" now that you mention it.
    
    Another question..How can I get my header in " " next to my name?
    
1711.29CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperFri Aug 28 1992 17:0510
    In the character-cell version of notes you say:

	SET PROFILE/PERSONAL_NAME="<whatever>"

    at the NOTES prompt.

    I don't know precisely for for DECWINDOWS NOTES (never use it) but
    it will be somewhere among the customizing stuff.

			    Topher
1711.30WMOIS::CONNELLDUST: The Adventure Continues.Fri Aug 28 1992 17:0512
    Just type in the following at the NOTES > prompt:
    
    Set profile/personal_name="your cute phrase here." followed by a
    return.
    
    Also, to learn more about NOTES, at the prompt type in HELP and follow
    the instructions. I found the new_user command and the information
    following to very useful, especially since I only know enough about
    computers and computer language protocol and command structure to be
    dangerous. :-)
    
    PJ
1711.31Thnx PJ & TopherCGVAX2::CLEGGstay tuned - ShakkaFri Aug 28 1992 17:234
    Thanks Topher and PJ...  I think it worked!!!  Have a good 
    weekend..  Anyone going that fair in Hookset, NH Sunday?
    
    WAC
1711.32any more?NSDC::DONALDSONFroggisattva! Froggisattva!Thu Nov 05 1992 05:339
Wim, 

> Time is off my sight, tomorrow I tell you more about what he told
> us about auscultation, aura's and what he told us about him self.

will you tell us the end of your story? It's certainly
an interesting one.

John D.
1711.33Curious minds want answers.CSC32::D_ROYERChi beve birra campa cent&#039;anni.Wed Jun 09 1993 15:383
    What happened to the rest of the STORY?
    
    Dave