Conference hydra::dejavu

    The automatic listserver tells me (honest) that "MIND-L is closed".

				    Topher

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   Christian Thought and Literature in Late Antiquity

   ELENCHUS is devoted to discussions of the thought and literature of
   Christianity during the period 100 to 500 a.d.  (c.e.).

   This will include discussions of patristics, gnosticism, asceticism,
   monasticism, archeology, the Nag Hammadi and Manichaean corpora, the
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   (into, among other languages, Latin, Syriac, Coptic), the history of
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Dear Prospective RELFECTIONS Member,

Welcome to REFLECTIONS: an alternative electronic networking medium
dedicated to the fullest realization of Humanity's spiritual potential.
It was formed early in 1993 to serve as a networking tool and information
service for those exploring alternative belief systems, as well as how
these unfolding paradigms (loosely umbrella'd under the term "new age")
relate to more established belief systems on Earth.

In any community, there is the challenge of deciding what is "appropriate"
for inclusion in that community and what is not.  This issue always raises
a truckload of contraversy concerning rights, etc. etc.  Most of us also have
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Part of the reason for REFLECTION's formation was to provide a forum free
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 10297 ECR.4.93         Latest on EC from Scallion
 13301 inreview493       Prophecies in Review from April 93 ECR
  7357 ECR.3.93         GMS Prophesies for Jan. 27 1993 and beyond
 13189 nexusexcerpt     Gordon Micheal-Scallion's Predictions - Nexus Excerpt
  1898 ECR.subscribe    Earth Changes Report Subscription Info
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  7154 bluestar         The Blue Star (Excerpt from EC Report March 93)
  5606 marysumrain      No-Eyes' EC Predictions and status
  2083 quakesonline     OnLine INformation About Recent Earthquakes
 22882 abraham_on_EC    Abraham on Earth Changes (Channeled)
 27312 nostradamus      
  2125 dovesnmen        EC Poem: The Doves, The Men, and The Wave
 17732 POJ_POF          Hi-level, very personal article about Earth Changes
 10458 iamamerica       The I AM AMERICA Group
 20171 aboutEC          Earth Changes  (LONG)
 12757 hopi_message     The Hopi Message to the UN General Assembly
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  4656 nuclear          Space People's  Advice About Using Nuclear Energy.
 22882 abraham_on_EC    Abraham on Earth Changes (Channeled)
 11691 thirdmillenium   An excerpt from Ken Carey's book
 15067 rose_ray         The Gift of the Rose
 14531 mafu             Embracing Feeling, some inpsiring thoughts
 19159 mideast_crisis   A Channeled Message Re: State of Planet Earth
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  1641 polaritybreath   Breathing and Polarity
 13934 reikitraining     A Personal Experience with Reiki Training
  3445 reikichakras     Reiki, Chakras, and Chants
  2740 chakramed        A Chakra Exercise
 16147 beefandu         Facts about Meat Consumption
  5070 chakras.ref      Intro to Chakras
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  7255 natalmoon        Your Natal Moon Phase and You
 15613 calltohealing    Astrology, Healing, and Music
  2815 holistic         HOLISTIC Discussion Forum Information!!
  5204 observations     Observations and Suggestion
  5854 tenbulls         TEN BULLS: a Zen Story
  2005 rulesposter      Rules For Being Human
  9635 saturnkarma      Astrology Excerpt about Saturn, POF, & life mission
 10783 karmablast       Alternative Views of Karma 
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   985 restwhileucan    Some Earth Poetry
   194 oceanoflife      Re: Relationships (Oneness)
   571 moondance        Moon Dance
  2125 dovesnmen        EC Poem: The Doves, The Men, and The Wave
   948 link             
  1250 stargoddess       Hear Ye the Words of the Star Goddess
  5567 satori           A Poem about a Satori (altered state) experience
  4041 pleasehear       Please Hear What I'm Not Saying
  8637 movingthru       Some Cosmic Poetry: Moving Through
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  3984 journey.gurj     Gurdjieff on the Journey
 26462 oakendoor        Gaining Access to Spiritual Experience In the New Age
 26103 personalpower    On power and personal responsibility
 14392 steve_dec91      Healing End of Year Thoughts for 91
 11081 newmythos        Towards a New Mythology 
  4923 deathnsex        Death & Sexuality
 12684 altsocfut        Our Changing Planet's Futures
  6522 balance          Earthing, Grounding, Butt-Kicking
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  5628 neat_shaman_essay  Visionary Excerpt From 'The Shamen:Boss Drum' album
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  2722 aboutrow         About the Right Use of Will Mailing List
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  4306 onchrist         A Perspective on Christ
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    It seems that there was some confusion as a result of my previous note
    about the "reflections" mailing list.

    Most of us are probably accessing this notes conference over the "enet"
    (a.k.a. EASYnet; nee engineering-net) from VMS.  Since that is what
    I have experience with, this note will be addressed to such users.

    Anyway: when we wish to send mail to people using the VMS mail system
    we use an address which looks like this:

		CADSYS::Cooper

    That tells the mailer to find the node named "CADSYS" (a node is either
    a single machine or a bunch of machines which look to the enet like
    a single machine) and send it to the account named "Cooper", i.e., me.

    But that style of addressing only works on networks, such as the enet,
    based on network software called DECNET, and the address itself will
    only work on enet since that is the only network in which the specific
    node which I work on resides.  There are a lot of other networks
    which use a lot of other conventions for sending mail.

    Many of these networks are tied together by special machines -- called
    gateways -- which are on and understand the mail conventions of two or
    more of the networks.  These gateways then translate mail -- and some
    other network traffic -- and transfer them between the different
    networks.  Because of the gateways all the networks which have been
    tied together can be considered a sort of super- or meta- network.
    Since it isn't really official -- it isn't one thing which belongs to
    some specific group of people with the right to name it -- there is
    no official name for it.  Sometimes you will see it called the Internet
    -- but that is really just the name of one pretty big piece of it,
    an official attempt to tie together some of the individual networks.
    Other names I've seen in use are WorldNet, The Matrix (there is a book
    on it of that name), or just The Net (I tend to favor The Net or
    WorldNet myself).

    There are a number of different ways that people are addressed on
    WorldNet, but there is a standard which is widely used.  It is called
    domain addressing.  Here is my address on the WorldNet:

		[email protected]

    This says that the mail is to be addressed to "Cooper" at location
    "cadsys.enet.dec.com" something like my enet address but with two
    important differences:

	1) My name comes first.
	2) There is more than one piece to the name used for the location.

    To understand what the location name means you have to start at the
    end.  Each piece of the name is separated from the others with "."s
    so the last part -- called the "domain" is ".com".  The domain name
    is meant to divide the computing world into a reasonable number of
    pieces which "everyone" (i.e., all the gateways at least) can know
    about without creating a huge burden.  There are basically two
    sets of "domains".  What you see most often is that there are a bunch
    of domains which are based on the kind of organization involved.  Off
    the top of my head (and therefore, presumably including the most
    commonly seen domains) you have:

	    .com    commercial organizations
	    .edu    educational organizations, i.e. mostly schools
	    .mil    military organizations
	    .org    organizations -- social organizations, clubs, etc.

    There is also a two letter domain name -- taken from an international
    postal standard -- for every country.  E.g.:

	    .us	    United States (rarely used -- mostly by org)
	    .uk	    United Kingdom
	    .se	    Sweden
	    .de	    Germany
	    .nl	    Netherlands

    Some gateways also have their own pseudo domains which allow you to
    talk about systems on the WorldNet which don't follow this system.  For
    example, to talk through DEC's gateway to user "Foo" on node "BAR" of
    the network called BITNET, you can address it to "[email protected]".

    Anyway, the idea is that only some nodes have to know anything about
    anything to the left of the domain name (sometimes called the
    "top-level domain"), and they need to do so only for a specific domain.
    All other nodes only need (after, presumably, making sure that it
    isn't they themselves being addressed) to send the mail to the most
    convenient node which advertises itself as handling that domain.  That
    node will take care of the rest.

    The next piece of the name to the left is called the sub-domain, and is
    handled by the "domain server" (a node which understands the particular
    domain).  The domain server looks at the sub-domain and that determines
    where, or how, the rest of the address is to be interpreted.  The
    domain server then sends the mail to the (or one of the) nodes which
    are part of that domain server.  (In the .com domain, sub-domains are
    usually the names of companies).  Sometimes, that is all that is
    needed.  My wife, for example, is the system manager for a company
    called Kurzweil Applied Intelligence.  To send mail to someone named
    "jones" at her company you would send it to:

	    [email protected]

    In other cases there are further sub-domains requiring further
    interpretation, perhaps by forwarding the mail to someplace else which
    understands that sub-sub(-...)domain.  For example, my address:

	    [email protected]

    The ".com" says that I can be found somewhere in the commercial domain.
    The ".dec.com" says that I can be found more particularly at Digital
    Equipment Corporation.  The ".enet.dec.com" tells DEC's gateway that it
    needs to convert the rest of the address to the form used for the enet
    at DEC.  Finally, the "@cadsys.enet.dec.com" says that I can be found
    on node cadsys on the DEC's enet.

    Similarly, the address:

	    [email protected]

    Says the mail is to be addressed to "user" "reflections-request", in
    the commercial domain, at "ford" (presumably the Ford Motor Company),
    in "system" "srl" (at a guess, the something-or-other Research Lab),
    on node "sl0091".

    That only leaves how you get the mail to somewhere which understands
    about "domain addressing" which VMS mail does not do.  Basically,
    the answer is that you send it over enet, just like any other mail,
    to the gateway, using the complete domain mail address as the "user".
    You enclose the domain address in quotes to keep the mailer from trying
    to interpret it as anything else.  The gateway is node "DECWRL".  So
    you would say (although I'll revise this a little in a moment):

	    DECWRL::"[email protected]"

    It is strongly recommended that you used the special "NMAIL" program
    though.  DECWRL processes a lot of mail, and can easily become clogged.
    NMAIL does two things:

	1) It sends the mail to DECWRL in an efficient manner, reducing
	   the demands on that machine and making a clog less likely.
	2) If it can't get through (because too many other people are
	   trying to use the gateway at the same time) it saves it in a file
	   and tries again in a little while.

    The simplest way to use NMAIL if it has been installed on your system,
    is to just use MAIL as you always have but to send to address:

	    NM%DECWRL::"[email protected]"

    If that doesn't work, then talk to your system manager about getting
    it installed, and in the meantime use the first form (but be prepared
    to need to try several times sometimes).

    You can also say to VAX Mail,

	    SET TRANSPORT "NM%"

    which means that all your mail will be sent via NMAIL (lots of people,
    including me, do this).  This is an undocumented feature in most
    versions of MAIL, but it is there -- just try it.

    One other thing, if you try to send mail to the gateway directly
    from the DCL command line, rather than using the SEND command inside
    mail, DCL will "eat" your quote marks and it won't work.  You have
    to add extra quotes to keep DCL from doing that:

	    NM%DECWRL::"""[email protected]"""

    Is the right incantation.

    If you want to try this out, you can send mail to yourself,

	    NM%DECWRL::"[email protected]"

					Topher

Topher,
I'v followed your instructions on how to access Reflections.  The mails
I'v received have been very interesting.
However, even the first mail I received in response to the command
GET bodywrk/reiki  (not exact spelling here)
appeared to be in the middle of a discussion, some of which referred to
Reiki and some which did not.  Is there any way of getting all the
material from the start of the discussion?  Is the labelling of the 
subjects being addressed very loose?
Thanks for your info sofar.
Regards,
Dave

    Some of these "listservers" keep archives of all the mail that goes
    through them.  Others don't keep any.  This one has an intermediate
    policy -- the person who runs it explicitly archives anything he thinks
    people might want to look up later.  That might turn out to be only
    part of a "conversation".  You might send mail to the people who
    participated in the part you have and ask if they have kept the rest
    of the discussion.

    As for the labeling -- that's done by the list's "owner" and I'm too
    new to this particular list to know how loose or tight his labeling
    is.

                                      Topher

Dave,

I'm on that distribution list and was part of Steve's old Reflections list 
a few years ago.  The list is very active so I suspect that there is 
just too much volume to keep online.

My husband and I met Steve last year while we were down in the 
Virginia area.  He is a really nice guy.  Try writing to him directly.

Ro

    This one may be of interest to some of you.

					Topher

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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Paul E. Hoffman" 16-MAY-1993 23:30:14.74
Subj:	NEW: Ayurveda mail list

[email protected]

   I have started a new mailing list to discuss ayurveda, the science of
   life that has been practiced in India for at least 5000 years.  If
   you are currently practicing ayurveda or are just interested, please
   feel free to sign onto the mailing list.  (If you've never heard of
   Ayurveda and are intrigued, two good books are _Perfect Health_ by
   Deepak Chopra and _Ayurveda: Science of Life_ by Vasant Lad.)

   To get on the mailing list, please send a message including your
   preferred mailing address to:  [email protected]

   To send a message to the mailing list, use:  [email protected]

   Owner:  Paul E. Hoffman  [email protected]

RE: .3,.4

    Reflections has just moved.  It is now at:

	[email protected]

    For subscriptions, etc, and at:

	[email protected]

    For contributions.

    I assume the archive is now also on dsg43.nad.ford.com.

				    Topher

RE: .11

    From what I know of him, Steve is a good choice as moderator.

					    Topher

    re: alt.paranet.psi
    
    Has anyone else had trouble finding this newsgroup on the servers
    available through Digital ?
    								todd

    The newsgroup creation message hasn't apparently reached DEC's gateway
    yet.  I expected that it would come through this weekend and I would
    find it this morning, but this was not the case.  If it doesn't show
    up in the next few days, I'll contact the paranet administrators.

				Topher

    
    No doubt coming from the paranode...
         
    Cindy

>    No doubt coming from the paranode...
    
    ... located by the waterside on the paramours, or perhaps the paradox 
    by the bay ?
    
    If I roll a paradise, will paranet come up with snake eyes ?
    
    			sorry, I'm paragon from here ...
    
    							todd

         
    You best be, after that one Todd.
    
    Cindy

    
    If anyone has the address for Clarion Call magazine, I'd really
    appreciate it.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Cindy

    I've gotten a request for information about "subscribing" to ParaNet.

    ParaNet was originally (and still is) distributed via a number of
    individaul bbs.  Basically, you have to join the bbs (which may simply
    consist of connecting to it) and to have the phone number to connect
    your modem to.  This cannot, generally, be done from within DEC.

    ParaNet is now also available as part of USENET -- with newsgroups
    named "alt.para.xxx".  USENET is (grossly simplified) the Internet's
    version of NOTES (the most important differences are that most
    "newsgroups" -- basically the same as a NOTES conference -- are
    completely unmoderated, and postings only stay around for a limited
    period of time, typically 2 weeks).

    To access USENET you need two things.  A "newsreader" program which
    you can run on your system, and a "feed" (a node) from which you can
    access the USENET notes.

    Basically, there are three newsreaders generally available within DEC:

	DXRN & MXRN are variants of the same program.  They work in a
	DECWindows environment.  DXRN is based on the old UCX standard
	while MXRN is based on Motif.  A NOTES file devoted to these
	programs can be found at "UFP::XRN".

	VNEWS is a newsreader for character cell terminals.  Believe me,
	if you can, you should use DXRN or MXRN.  The VNEWS notes file
	is at "CLO::VNEWS".

    You should probably start by looking around your system and seeing if
    any of these programs is already set up.

    As far as obtaining a "feed" the NOTES conference
    "UPSAR::NEWS-BACKBONE" tells you how to go about that if it isn't
    already set up for you.

    When you first run the program, you'll be offered a list of a gajillion
    or so newsgroups (actually 5363 at last count), which you should sort
    through one way or another (for example, just skip to alt.para*, or
    search for names of interest to you).

    Good luck!

				    Topher

    >This cannot, generally, be done from within DEC.
                    
    I find it no problem, but then on of the many screens on my desk is not
    a terminal, but a rather battered old PC, which has a modem, I pick up
    data off other nets and then download it with Kermit to my VMS account.

    Jamie.