Conference hydra::dejavu

    I doubt it. However I can easily fake such a photo by means of a double
    exposure.

    Jamie.

    I see what you mean. The incidence of ratholes in this conference is
    unnaturally high. I wonder what supernatural power causes that?

    Jamie.

  
  > The incidence of ratholes in this conference is unnaturally high.
  > I wonder what supernatural power causes that?      
  
  Hmmm ... if it had been the Physics then they would quantum tunnels and
  due to the innate nature of notes "burrowing" between the topics without
  actually possessing the "energy" to climb the barrier between.
  
  If this was the Astronomy conference then a wormhole here or there,
  possibly linked by superstrings, would explain the chaotic characteristics
  of such tangential conversations.
  
  As it is, this is the Dejavu conference so it must either be due to
  paranormal control over the (random) orientation of ferric particles
  on the disk or simply put down to magic ... or the nature of the lunar sea
  surrounding us all of course.
  
  Frank

    RE.0
    
    We recently buried my Grandmother after a short but painful illness. 
    This is the first family funeral for us and I being eldest
    Grand-daughter was sort of left to take charge (although we are all
    similar ages) of the other girls.  Next in line to me is my cousin
    Nichola (we are very close), in the evening after the funeral etc we
    sat together talking over old times when she said she had something to
    tell me, something she had never told anyone else before, and it was
    the casket in the church that brought it all back to her.
    
    15-18 years ago (I don't remember exactly) her other Grandmother died,
    she remembers her and Sean (her brother) standing at the back of the
    church looking down to where the casket was, and as she stared she
    *saw* her Grandmother float up out of the casket.  She was too scared
    to tell anyone about it but after talking to me I have convinced her to
    tell her parents.
    
    This, she said, was the main reason why she could not look at our Grans
    coffin - just in case she saw something again.
    
    
    Tracy W.
    
    p.s. Nicki is a very straight forward, no messin' about person and she
    does have her head screwed on.

         When I was about 8 years old I knew this man  that people near
    him used to said that he did not like dog and cats.You see in my 
    country (Puerto Rico) there is no control on animals,so dogs and cat
    they are like in the wild.They born in the wild and die in the wild.
    Any way this man, everytime a dog or cat was in his property he used to
    kill them.One of his way was drownining them.I found that out because
    in the back of his house there is a small creek.So one day I was back
    there fishing for small color fishes for for my fishbowl,when I heard
    the cry of a new born cat.when I looked were the cry was coming from
    I saw the cat with a string tied to his neck and on the other end
    of the string was something heavy in the water tied to it.That day
    I save that little cat's life.
           But this is what is weird.He used to said to his wife that the
    day he dies,he did not want flowers or pleople on his wake.When this
    man die I was older and I went to his wake (on his own house)and 
    suddenly a strong wind came in thru a window and knock down all the
    flowers there was and shut off most of the candles.The people who were
    there start running for their life.And I was the first one.That was the
    talk of the town for years.They said that the man was evil.Now
    something like this could be possible or ther may be an explanation
    for that.
    regards
    Ariel
    

    
    yes I've noticed this "bluish" discoloration with the deads that is
    evident in the pictures taken, after reading the note before this
    it gives me eeeeerie feeling but there has got to be an explanation
    for this, I myself believe that there is realy some kind of "life
    after death" plane that humans/beings go through.

    In academic pathology photography of the body is fairly routine. This
    can be close ups of parts of the body or the entire corpse. The bodies
    vary from freshly dead, still warm, to several days after death. The
    phenomenon that you describe never shows up. Strange isn't it.

    Jamie.

    
    Re.8
    
    Last night I was reading a bit in my book "The Symbolism of Hindu Gods
    and Rituals", by A. Parthasarathy, and on p.64 about Krishna, he
    writes:
    
    "Krishna is blue in colour and wears yellow clothes.  Blue colour
     has been always associated with infinity.  The sky appears blue.
     So does the ocean.  Yellow colour represents the earth.  When 
     sand is introduced into a colourless flame, the flame turns yellow.
     The blue form of Krishna clothed in yellow therefore suggests
     the Infinite Reality reduced to a finite human being.  The 
     incarnation of Krishna represents the descent of God on earth."
    
    Cindy

    Re .10

    >no, it just means that you don't have eyes to see.
    
    We seem to have a small problem here. They take photos of corpses and
    you can see the soul in the photo whilst others can't?

    I'm sorry I find this very difficult to believe. 

    As for the rest of your experiences that others do not experience does
    seem to lend itself to them being your personal fantasy rather than a
    reality.

    I cannot understand why god and time, are to you, mutually exclusive.

    As your heart is nothing but a pump and its sensory nervous system is
    so seldom used that your brain tends to refer any pain in it to your
    left arm I have trouble in understanding how you felt pain in yours.

    Jamie.

    In order for one to see, psychically that is, one generally has to have
    their chakras spinning correctly (bringing in energy rather than
    projecting their own energy or state of mind) and the seals at the root
    of the chakra have to open. This is all explained in Barbara Brennan's
    book "Hands of Light." That is all that separates us from experiencing
    what others experience and call psychic. 

             Sometimes when I go to places for the first time,I feel
    that I been there before,that I know that place,that some how it
    had a connection with my life before.I see faces that are familiar
    to me.People that I don't know but somehow I do.Is there an answer
    for this?.
    thanks,
    Ariel

    Ariel, such a sense is called d�j� vu, the inspiration for the name
    of this conference.  There are a number of notes here which discuss
    explanations, conventional and otherwise for this phenomenon.

				    Topher

           
         Thanks Topher,
    I'm new to this notes and have not enough time to go thru it
    yet.Thanks again.
    Ariel.

    
    
       RE. 1586.1
    
    
                   Prove it.
    
    
    
                                  Later,
                                   Mark
    
    

    Making fake photos of "ghosts" is almost as old as photography itself.

    The two easiest methods are as follows.

    Method 1

    You photograph your "corpse" and you then photograph your "ghost"
    against a white background and slightly overexpose it making it a bit
    faint. Having processed the negatives you then place one on top of the
    other, align them and make your print in the normal manner. The result
    is a ghostly figure leaving the body.

    Method 2

    Here you photograph the "corpse" slightly under exposed then without
    moving the film on you photograph the "ghost" underexposed. When
    processed you will get much the same results.

    You can try it for yourself, or as a friend who makes a hobby of
    photography to assist you if you don't have the equipment. 

    Jamie.
                                                               

Re .19 (Jamie):

During the early 1900s, one "proof" of the existence of "spirits" was to take
a photo of a person sitting in a chair in a room that supposedly was conducive
to spirit visits.  The plate was removed from the camera and developed 
immediately (leaving no time to doctor it), and on the negative, a ghostly
image would be seen.

Harry Houdini, when asked to participate in such experiments, would, just before
the picture was to be snapped, go to the camera and invert the plate (easy to 
do in plate cameras); invariably, the "ghost" wouldf be inverted.  The "spirit
photographer," as such were called, would have pre-exposed a "ghost" on the
film plate so that the portrait in the chair would actually be the second
exposure of a double exposure.

That people can fake pictures of ghosts neither denies nor confirms the existence
of ghosts, however.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    A minor correction to .19 Method 1

    >Having processed the negatives you then place one on top of the other,
    >align them and make your print in the normal manner.

    Of course this should have read;

    Having processed the negatives you then print the "ghost" negative
    followed by the "corpse" negative on the same piece of photographic
    paper and then process the print in the normal manner.

    Jamie.

    
    
    re. 1586.21
    
    
                  I'm not convinced.
    
    
                                   Later,
                                    Mark
    
    

    Well Mark I suggest that you experiment and see what happens, then you
    will be dealing with facts and not opinions.

    Jamie.

    Re.23
                          
    Jamie,
    
    >then you will be dealing with facts and not opinions.
    
    So...have you contacted the Kripalu folks to get the facts yet, or do 
    you still believe that they aren't at all interested in the medical 
    breathing tests based on your own unsubstantiated opinion?
    
    Just being a bother today...(;^)
    
    Cindy
         

    Cindy, I currently have all but one of the research documents that they
    have published on the subject. When I get it, or if it doesn't turn up
    soon, I'll give you my opinion of their presentation of the facts.

    Jamie.

    
    
    re: .1, .19, .21
    
    
               Jamie,
                     In .1 I read "...I can easily fake such a photo..." .
    The key words here being: I (Jamie Anderson), easily, fake, and photo.
    In .19 and .21 the explanation of how it *could* be done dosen't support
     your claim that "...I can easily fake such a photo...". Thats why I'm not 
    convinced.
    
                             Later,
                              Mark
    
    

    If you read any history of photography you will find references to it.

    I have accidentally produced a ghost image several times by double
    exposing the negative, older cameras had no interlock. 

    I can do it on my present camera but I must override the interlock. 

    Assuming that you; 

    A) have a camera,

    B) it is capable of doing a double exposure by either having no
       interlock or having an override for such interlock.

    C) know enough about photography to take a photo,

    then even you, Mark, can do it.

    Just take a photograph of someone standing before a dark surface, then
    without advancing the film, take another photograph of a brick wall.
    When you have the film processed you will find that you have made a
    photograph of a ghostly transparent figure through whom you can see the
    wall. 

    The other methods that I described give much the same results but you
    can do it with greater accuracy, thus insuring more realistic results. 
                                         
    I fail to see you inability to comprehend this rather simple task. But
    undoubtedly you will pop up in another couple of months saying that you
    still fail to understand and promise us more later.

    Jamie.

    
    
    re: .27
    
    
              What one *says* one can do dosen't always match what one
    *does*.
    
                                  Later,
                                   Mark