Conference hydra::dejavu

Ciao Flavio,

I haven't read those books. I *did* read Lawrence LeShan's book who also
describes a process for healing. Do you know whether it is related? Topher,
do *you* know?

Maybe if you describe the process/exercise here, I can help you further.

Arie

    
    Fine, Arie.
    
    Exercises that I do for now are for increasing sensibility to human
    energetic field.
    
    This is done using my hands to perceive heat,tingles, beats between and
    on my palms and my fingertips.
    
    After some time - two mounths about - I've feel the bio-energetic field
    in the space between  my hands - a very strange sensation ! -
    
    Exercises works as follow.
    I put my hands face to face, and I try to reach a sort of relax until I
    feel the heat on my hand's skin; then, I change the distance, near and
    far, and I try to feel the expantion and contraction of the generated
    bio-energetic field.
    
    This is my preferite ( and it is  the less difficult to describe,
    too...).
    
    I don't know Topher, and I haven't read Lawrence LeShan's book (sic!).
    
    About conscience's expantion, Barbara (Ann Brennan) says to
    concentrate, closing the eyes, on any object in the room where we are;
    at this point, we must try to 'feel' it clearly.
    The following step is to go in a room unknown for us with a band on our
    eyes (the help of a friend can be very appreciated!):what this room is
    speaking?
    
    I hope my English is enough clear...
    
    Bye bye,
    Flavio. 

Flavio,

no I am not familiar with this kind of exercises - sorry. Yet I *do* know
that several participants in this notesfile have done the exercises you are
doing; I guess they will be able to help you further.

>    I don't know Topher, and I haven't read Lawrence LeShan's book (sic!).

Lawrence LeShan has written about healing from a distance. Not related
to the hands. So that's different....

And Topher!? I'm sure you will get to know this guy! He will reply soon! At
least that's what I 'predict'!
:-)

Arie

    RE .0
    
    Hi Flavio, Can you say more specifically what kind of potetial risk you
    feel the exercises can have? The main thing, from my understanding of
    Barbara Brennan's work, is to sense things outside yourself, ie. don't
    bring them into your self. Just sense what is there.
    
    Some more comments, not necessarily directed at you, but to most of us:
    
    Most fears are fears that we experience upon realizing we are more than
    what we identify ourselves to be. This part of us, the ego, self-image,
    self-identity, mask, etc. feels threatened when it finds out it doesn't
    own the whole turf of our Self. Expanded awareness can sometimes make
    us sense aspects of ourselves that we have repressed - emotional scars,
    traumas, past life experiences, our shadow or dis-identified-with 
    aspects of ourself, inner child, etc.. In order to fully expand ones
    awareness, we have to be able to face all these things. The risk is
    that we may have to give up who we think we are. Sometimes expanded
    awareness feels like dissolving to the ego.
    
    I have found that any mind expanding technique or practice, eg.
    meditation, usually reach a point of stagnation until one is able to
    face and resolve these (viewed as) unpleasant aspects of ourselves. A
    good dose of psychotherapy can do wonders to get ones meditation or
    spiritual practice going. This is probably why a teacher is
    recommended. However, the western mind do-it-yourselfer attitude means
    that instead of a teacher, we need therapists. At least this has been
    my experience.
    
    If you are reading Barbara Brennan, you might also want to check out
    any material from The Pathwork. Barbara Brennan spent a number of years
    involved with that process, and that is when she rediscovered the
    ability to see the aura. It is a key element of her teaching. Note the
    core energetics or psychodynamic material she presents in her book.
    
    When one increases the flow of energy in the aura, there is always a
    point at which our defense mechanism kicks in and starts to shut down,
    or clamp down. This is a natural reaction everyone does. Therefore, the
    amount of energy one can handle is directly related to the clarity and
    coherency of the field. All of our psycho-emotional-physical
    experiences are held within the HEF (aura). We have to make friends
    with all that in order to increase the energy and increase awareness.
    At least this is my understanding from the Barbara Brennan material I
    have receieved.
    
    Wayne

RE: .1 (Arie)

    I imagine that Arie asked for my opinion because I "turned him on to"
    LeShan.  In any case, I don't know anything about Brennan and Shine
    (though the names sound a bit familiar) so can't say for sure how or
    whether they are related to LeShan.  The exercise that Flavio describes
    in .2 is rather unlike the kind of thing that LeShan works on, but that
    isn't definitive -- for example, pupils of his might have felt that
    exercises of very different character than his are effective.  (LeShan
    emphasises paranormal healing by reaching a state of consciousness in
    which boundaries of time and space and of personal identity are
    meaningless -- within such a state of consciousness, according to
    LeShan barriers to a persons natural ability to heal are removed and
    healing will take place more or less automatically, given simply an
    initial intent).  LeShan might conceivably have such an exercise for
    "advanced" students, but beginners concentrate on exercises designed
    to enhance a sense of connectedness with the all.

				Topher

CADSYS::COOPER 
    
    >(LeShan emphasises paranormal healing by reaching a state of 
    >consciousness in which boundaries of time and space and of personal 
    >identity are meaningless -- within such a state of consciousness, 
    >according to LeShan barriers to a persons natural ability to heal 
    >are removed and healing will take place more or less automatically, 
    >given simply an initial intent).  

    Isn't that how all magick is done, Topher?  

RE: .6 (Mary)

>    Isn't that how all magick is done, Topher?

    That's what LeShan hypothesized (although he would probably not be
    entirely comfortable with the term "magick").  He decided to test
    the hypothesis by building a training system for one particular
    paranormal skill (healing) around that assumption.  It seemed to work
    (which lends support to, but does not prove the hypothesis).

					    Topher

    What are the names of Lawrence LeShan's and Betty Shine's books?
    
    Wayne

    
    Hi Wayne,
    
    The titles of the books I've read are as follows:
    
    	HANDS OF LIGHT		Barbara Ann Brennan,
        MIND TO MIND            Betty Shine.
    
    You are right form me, when you use the word "fear": I think I'm in
    this situation!
    
    My problem is: expanding my perception, my reality growth; if my
    understanding is good, this can be the first step to 'feel' beings
    that Barbara calls 'spiritual guides'.
    
    I know this is NOT channeling...But I'm worried!
    
    Have you any suggestion?
    
    Bye,
    Flavio.
    
    
    

    What are you worried about?

    
    Well,
    
    What can I do, if I become able to 'feel' this 'guide'?
    
    ...Hello, I'm Flavio, It was a joke, eh!eh!...
    
    I don't know if spiritual guides are witty, but I'm sure my heart is
    *NOT* very strong!!!
    
    ...Here, this is my worry...
    
    Flavio.

    
   RE .9 Hi, Flavio.  (the following is my 'opinion' only, IMHO).

   You said: "... when you use the word "fear": I think I'm in this
   situation!" - most everyone is in this situation. I met someone who was
   doing some of the exercises to open to guides and she did. She wrote nearly
   a book of material, then quit. I asked her why. She said essentially that
   it upset her view of what was real and what was not real, the things that
   defined herself in relation to 'other' or the world. She was afraid. The
   two views are reciprocal - the view of our self (ego) is predicated on the
   view of other or the world around us; likewise our view of the world is
   predicated on our sense of self. Any time you expand the boundaries of
   either your view of self or your view of the world around you, you have to
   change. The fear then is a healthy fear that should be responded to with
   love, acceptance and courage. Turn the fear into a thrill and ride the
   bliss. Expanding reality growth is the same as expanding perception, as you
   mentioned. When you do so, your life will feel better, more free, more
   clear, even if initially there is fear. This should be a guide - freedom,
   clarity, bliss, ... will be the results.

   Whether you contact spiritual guides, the higher self, dream images, etc.
   they will come in the form most appropriate to you, simply because that is
   the nature of consciousness. In the "Tibetan book of the Dead" (a misnomer
   of a title) there are the peaceful and wrathful dieties. The peaceful
   dieties come first, but if one persists in remaining attached to the ego,
   the wrathful dieties come to shake you loose. They are supposed to be
   recognized as aspects of one's own mind, yet they appear as if they are
   outside oneself. This is the riddle of being. (I puzzle over this one every
   day. :-) If you turn fear into bliss you get the peaceful deities, if you
   remain in fear and attachment, you get the wrathful dieties.

   Similarly, guides will come and appear in whatever form connects with you.
   Whether you view them as outside yourself or not, from the perspective of
   the ego, they are outside you. The main thing is to trust yourself to know
   (and accept) the truth, however it comes. "Be a light unto yourself" -
   Buddha. (Be your own guide.) The only thing you have to remember is, if you
   sense it is the truth, even if there is fear, then it is truth; and you
   will feel more freedom and clarity by accepting it. If you hear voices
   telling you to do strange things, "like bet on number 3547," or "hop into
   my space craft for a spin," or "come on, just this once, you won't get
   pregnant," ... ignor it.

   My own experience with guides, that I am aware of, usually comes in the
   form of a feeling or energy or an image or a knowing. One encounter I had
   the image of gold light beamed at my heart center with a sense of energy
   entering there. I was entering the mid-town tunnel in New York City after
   missing an earlier exit. There are all kinds of help and assistance
   available of this nature if people would just ask and accept it, whatever
   metaphysics one believes in. Ask and accept and be willing to change. Be
   your own light. No need to worry. Just knock.

   Hope this helps,
   Wayne

TRNOIS::CORTESE                                      
    
>    What can I do, if I become able to 'feel' this 'guide'?
    
     Say hello and set your own terms. :-)    

    
    Ehm,
    
    Stanley, I don't understand what you mean...
    
    Please, repeat.
    
    Flavio.

    Well, Flavio... all conscious beings that are able to communicate are
    basically on equal terms.  Some form of greeting is usually a good 
    place to begin, don't you think?  And just like when you meet any
    new person...the terms of the relationship are set by both of you 
    according to what you both are looking for in a companion.
    
    Of course... when I met the Lords Of Chaos... they immediately wanted
    to know where we all stood.. they are like me, not very subtle but
    great friends to have in a pinch... :-)
    
    I'll tell you one thing... they've bailed me (and my people) out more 
    than once.  I really appreciate them.  
    
    People come to love their dogs and cats .... they love nature and
    different activities... they can enjoy and appreciate all sorts of 
    things and activities that are not human in nature.... this isn't any
    different really.
    
    So I've come to love them as well and to appreciate them for what they
    are... the basis of existence.  Seeing things from their point of view
    gives me a different perspective, you know?  And they appear to like
    our relationship too.. 
    
    mary

    
    Wayne, Mary,
    
    	Your words are very fines.
    
    	I'm a little incouraged to continue...And, if it is O.K. for you, I
    will be try a channeling (!) this week-end.
    
    	I think to face my uncertainty ( or fear...) is better than
    hesitation.
    
    	Any suggestion?
    
    
    	Flavio. 

   Hi Flavio,

   You don't need anyone's OK to do something. Also, I don't want to sound
   negative now, but in my opinion, I am not directly in favor of channeling,
   per se. Rather remaining open to the truth is more what I had in mind and
   trusting in your own process. If it happens to come through connection with
   a guide, that is great, allow it to happen and accept the greater reality.
   Make sure your intention is clear as to what you are doing. Don't just
   attempt to connect with any spirit that comes, which, in my opinion, is not
   spiritual practice. The people I know who channel, like Barbara Brennan and
   her guide Heyoan, form that kind of relation after considerable personal
   development. Channeling the truth should be the goal. Connecting with your
   Self should come first. "Be your own light" as the Buddha would say. Don't
   do anything because I say Ok. Do what you feel is OK. If you feel it is OK,
   then that is appropraite for you.

   Hope I'm not confusing you too much,
   Wayne

    
    Thank you Wayne,
    
    I'm not confused, but I feel is better, if I want my serenity, do it.
    I don't see other way.
    
    Barbara explain very clearly channeling steps, and my thought is follow
    her explanations; I see you have some experience about: what are
    feelings that you feel, when you are 'at work?'.
    
    Can you tell me something more than Barbara?
    
    Flavio.
     

   Flavio, yes, the steps in Barbara Brennan's book are probably appropriate.
   And no, I CERTAINLY do not know any better than Barbara. If you are just
   starting, I would recommend what she says at the beginning of chapter 19.
   That is - formulate a question. That way you make your intent clear and
   define the situation in your terms. Then trust your Self.

   I think you might have the wrong impression about me though. I do not
   personally have any experience channeling, at least not that I was aware
   of. I am aware of the presence of guides, have experienced them, but I do
   not channel them. They assist me, that's how I see it. I have seen Barbara
   Brennan channel Heyoan and an energy she calls the "Goddess." That is most
   of my experience with channeling. I'm sure there are others in this
   conference who can probably tell you a lot more than me about channeling.

   My only input (and opinion!) is based on my perceptions of what I have seen
   as "channeled" material and what I have seen with Barbara Brennan. It is
   clear to me that the most important thing is one's own personal development
   and transformation. The higher the level of energy a person can achieve,
   the corresponding greater wisdom, energy, etc. a person can channel. If a
   person has psychological issues buried, those issues are sure to surface
   when one tries to be open and run more energy through their system. Barbara
   Brennan is an amazing person, in that she has herself gone through a lot of
   personal development and transformation, and still is! If a person's own
   development and growth stops when they start doing "channeling," I would
   question what they are doing. But that's just my bias. Everyone goes at
   their pace.

   My second recommendation is to get Barbara Brennan's second book _Light
   Emerging_, coming soon to a bookstore near you.

   Wayne

    
    Thank you Wayne,
    
    	You are a good friend for me!
    	I read Chapter 19, and I think I'm a 'cinestetic' type, then I will
    follow this kind of approach.
    
    	My questions are clearly defined, no problems.
    
    	Another thing: have you 'worked' with plants?
    
    	I've done some tests, and I've experienced a sort of 'link' between
        my bioenergetic field and plant's field.
    
        It's strange: if, after feelings of 'link', I try to move my
    fingertips, the leaf I' ve 'tied' follows my movements.
    
    	Have you any feedback about?
    
        Flavio.
    	
    
    	

    re .20 

    You are welcome. Most people tend to develop the kinesthetic aspect first.
    It's amazing the number of people who can sense the HEF right off. Most
    never try. After a while, it is not so magic. Rather normal. Everything
    interacts at the HEF level.

    Wayne

    
    Wayne,
    
    How can I do to find material of The Pathwork?
    Have a happy week-end!!
    
    Flavio.
    

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   Soon DEC storage will be disconnected from the DEC network. Also, my
   last days as Quantum/DEC employee will be next week. I will be starting
   on a new job Oct 17th. Sorry I have not had time to participate much in
   dejavu, but such is the life of a working eenganeer.

   Currently I am a junior student in Barbara Brennan's School of Healing
   (BBSH). For homework we are required to do healings on volunteer
   subjects. If anyone is interested in participating and receiving a free
   healing from a learning student, let me know. The healing of the week
   may depend on what we are learning at different times during the year.
   For example, we have been doing "past life healing". Besides myself,
   there are other students in the area with similar homework requirements
   that I may be able to connect people with. If this intrests you,
   contact me at:

	Wayne Shumaker
	9 Adams St
	Westborough, MA 01581
	(508) 366-9589

	soon to be work phone:
	(617) 270-3200

   Wayne

    Wayne has used me for a 'practice dummy' (;^) many times now, and for
    every healing, he has done a great job.
    
    Cindy