Conference hydra::dejavu

    Yes....If you are beginning to/have been feeling negative about the
    ouija board,then you should not be using it.
    
    	Even if the problem is only how you feel,I think that is reason
    enough.

    Don't just "get rid of it" destroy it.

    Just send the board to me or to Jamie and *we'll* take
    care of it!
    
    Joel
    

    re .2
    
    Just curious -- how do you destroy a ouija board that refuses to be
    destroyed?  We had a possessed board once and when we tried to put it
    down the incinerator it wouldn't fit, even though the box that it had
    come in went down with no folding.  Then we tried to break it -- plain
    old particleboard but it wouldn't break, even when I stood on one end
    and pulled the other one toward me.  We decided to chop it in half but
    the axe had mysteriously "disappeared" from the spot in the closet
    where we always kept it.
    
    So I left it in the hallway by the incinerator.  I went back into the
    apartment and realized I hadn't thrown out the pointer thing.  When I
    went back to throw it down the incinerator the board was gone (though
    no one had come out or gone into any of the other apartments in the
    minute or so that it took -- we would have heard the door).  We assume 
    it walked away by itself...
    
    ginny

    It's been my experience that it is not the borad so much as the
    entities that are communicating through the board.  Once an disembodied
    entity has access to our world through the use of a board they tend to
    hang around.  Sometimes nudging you to pick up the borad when you are
    doing other things.  
    
    Even when you have gotten rid of the board they may still hang around your 
    house.  If you have been incontact with a negative entity you may want to 
    cleanse your house once you have removed the board.   This can be done 
    many ways - essences, candles, gemstones, visualization, etc.  Select
    what ever way feels right for you.  Slowly walk through the house
    engulfing yourself with white light and asking the entity to find
    it's way to it's next level and to leave you in peace.    
    
    These poor entities usually exisit in 'no-mans-land'.  They no longer
    live in this world but they have not made there way to the other world
    either - they are caught in the psychic relam.  
    
    They fill the range from harmless to evil.  They want very much to
    continue to communicate with you as it is the only way they can live. 
    Since they have no physical body of there own.  
    
    Speaking from experience you must be very careful.  They are often
    highly intelligent and extremely manipulative.  
    
    If you would like to discuss this further please call.
    
    Valerie DTN 264-4726
    

    Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate it.   Tonite is the nite,
    my boyfriend said he is taking the board away - he doesn't like the
    fact that it keeps saying that I am evil (the spirit Tom) is the one
    who keeps saying it....we also just realized a date the board said
    my grandmother would pass away on was incorrect (she did pass away
    3 weeks ago tomorrow) however we figured out that the date she fell
    and was badly hurt was the date the board said she would pass away
    on....
    
    Anyway, he is taking the board tonite, as he thinks I have another
    reason for wanting it....(keeps saying someone else's name and mine)
    no matter what - which aggravates him....I really appreciate your help.
    
    Thanks,
    Robin
    

    Rob,
    
    Do you know what the trash can is??? Use it!!! My husband Craig and I
    were shopping a few years back and we were in the toy department of
    Caldors and he seen Ouija's. He wanted one!!! I said no, not a good
    idea!!! That is the reason why.  I dont dabble with the unknown.  Find
    a trash bin or burn it!!
    
    Your buddie
    
    Lynne

    
    
    re -.1
    > I don't dabble with the unknown..
    
    If your are reading this notesfile you are dabbling with the unknown!
    One way or another we all dabble with the unknown, whats really
    important is to learn from others' mistakes. A well used ouija board
    should be destroyed not just thrown out if possible. At the very least
    you should clean out the refrigerator or put a few rotten tomatoes with
    it ;^)
    
    
    john

Hi,

I'm posting this request for a friend who is rather concerned about some of his
friends and their dabbling with the use of a Ouija board. He does not feel easy
about the use of such boards himself and wishes to disuade his friends from
continuing. I have mentioned which notes he may extract as "evidence" from this
notesfile, but he'd like some response to this particular case too - I'm
doing the noting since he's very busy right now! :-)

His personal friend is a young girl whose boyfriend is engaged in the use of the
board with friends... although she has not yet been tempted to join them my 
friend is worried about this prospect and the possible effects that may occur
to those already involved. He related an experience where his friends had been
using the board in an upstairs room and one of them came down to tell him that
all of the people using the board were experiencing throbbing in their fingers
and if he knew what this meant? This particular point is important - does anyone
know what relevence this throbbing reaction has?

Also, one of the people thinks he was in contact with a long since dead relation
due to the nature and explicit detail of the information received. None of the
other participants knew the deceased person, who had died when he was 11. I 
know that the spirit (or whatever) need *not* have been the actual person they
think he was, but I expect the people involved were not aware of this danger.

Any advice, suggestions, references, info etc. will be gratefully received...

Thanks.
								- JIM CAD*

Re .9 (Jim Cad):

>I'm posting this request for a friend who is rather concerned about some of his
>friends and their dabbling with the use of a Ouija board. He does not feel easy
>about the use of such boards himself and wishes to disuade his friends from
>continuing. ...

While in my personal opinion, the benefits of using a Ouija board are question-
able at best, there are some in this Conference who would not agree with my
view.  FWIW, my thoughts:

	1)  No matter what aspect of the pasranormal one is dealing with,
            "dabbling" is not a very good idea.  A problem (not related to
            the paranormal by any means) is that when anyone dabbles in any 
            activity, the lack of discipline that generally accompanies 
            dilletantism raises problems.

	2)  Before I took anything a disembodied entity "said" at face value,
            particularly one that answers to, "Is anybody there?", I'd need
            some unambiguous way ,of verifying its bona-fides.

> ........................  He related an experience where his friends had been
>using the board in an upstairs room and one of them came down to tell him that
>all of the people using the board were experiencing throbbing in their fingers
>and if he knew what this meant? This particular point is important - does anyone
>know what relevence this throbbing reaction has?

Probably everybody was pushing on the planchette too hard.

>Also, one of the people thinks he was in contact with a long since dead relation
>due to the nature and explicit detail of the information received. None of the
>other participants knew the deceased person, who had died when he was 11. I 
>know that the spirit (or whatever) need *not* have been the actual person they
>think he was, but I expect the people involved were not aware of this danger.

"Danger," or even "alternative" might be a more appropriate term.  Outside of
telling the one participant about the other possibility, I'm not sure much
should be done.  You can sensitize one or more participants to your perspective,
but beyond that, they doubtless will make up their own minds.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
    
    My Mother just passed away, would an Ouija board allow me to speak
    to her?
    
    
    bonnie

    re: .11 (Bonnie)
    
         Maybe...but knowing what I know now, I'd sooner trust meditation.
    Since you don't trust meditation, or likely aren't aware of what
    meditation is capable of producing, then you aren't likely to trust
    your experience.  I know otherwise, however.  Therefore, I strongly
    urge you to learn how to use responsible and effective, visual 
    meditation as a means of clearing whatever it is you need to clear.
    
    
    Frederick
    

    bonnie,
    
    I am sorry for your loss.  I believe we are never separated from
    those we love who have passed on.  I agree with Frederick, please don't
    use a Quija board.  There are other methods:  meditation (as Frederick
    suggests), contact through dreams, and although I don't know much about
    the subject, spiritualist mediums can help you communicate.  I have
    friends who have found comfort in that method.
    
    Ro
    

    I agree with Fred and Ro. Bonnie, the Ouija Board is potentially
    dangerous. There are reports of it attracting "Evil or Lower" entities
    or Spirits. Some might call them demons. I'm not here to debate the
    truth or falsehood of such reports. There are others much more capable
    and much more knowledgeable then myself that can answer such questions.
    I would hope that any possibility of such things happening would
    discourage you. Find a good spiritualist/medium, use the dream and
    meditation suggestions offered here. There are strings in this file
    that can help you or point you towards these methods and
    recommendations for pursuing them. There is also a long string on the
    Ouija somewhere near the beginning of the directory, this might help
    also. 
    
    I hope you find what you need and are happy with the results. I'll pray
    that you do.
    
    
    Oh another thought. you may not need to contact your relative. The
    emotional stress involved in losing a loved one on this plane is of
    course very extreme. You might just need to let time work it's magic of
    healing on you and let go. I know you'll never be over this completely.
    No one never is. I still miss my grandparents and father tremendously
    and it's been over 10 years since the last one passed over. It does
    ease though. We do go on. I know some of the last statements have been
    cliches', but they do hold true. Let time work it's wonders and don't
    worry. 
    
    Holding you in my prayers,
    
    PJ

    
    
    Thanks for all the input.
    
    bonnie